Joyboozer wrote:
What are they working the weekend on if the truck doesn't arrive until Monday?

If they're remotely sensible? Prepping hundreds of boxes with core boxes, shipping labels, and everything else they need to be ready to accept a Battle Cry Upgrade Unit/Package and then be sealed and fired out of there.

Now, given the past year, it's easy to be snarky, negative, pessimistic and outright cruel about what some folks think of their potential and how sensible they might be, remotely. But that's what I'd do. Load up, check, re-check, and just be ready for it to come in, have a nice clear spot to park a couple pallets of BC upgrades, and go on a massive shipping spree over the course of the day or two following.

In reality? vOv

We'll see.

http://rpgandtactics.blogspot.com.au/2014/09/veritech-battloid-dynamic-poses.html

Another post from the ninjas, reposing veritechs. Not sure about the use of LGS as a sculpting medium, but replacing it with regular GS would work.

From his first couple of posts skimming the blog, he appears to be the guy who bought the game on ebay a few weeks back.

I just lifted the link from a post by ninja div on fb, where does it say he got it from eBay?

Go to the main blog page and it says it on the first or second post.

So he did. Last line of the third post.

Oh well, good for him, and whoever sold it to him.

From the blog address, he's a fellow countryman of yours. There is apparently at least one copy of the game in the wild down under.

Recently from ninja John.

""Our hope is that we have struck a balance with clean posability for skilled modelers, and easy to assemble miniatures with the fewest number of parts needed to meet a complicated approval process, and requirements on detail for the various mecha. @Fern... we have a lot of leg options, and there will be more made available from coming Valkyrie kits that are interchangable with the ones in your VF-1 boxes. The balancing act was hard, but in the end, there is a lot going into these kits. I can't wait to see them painted up.""


Oh and in other news C2 arrived at PB.

Is this on facebook?

 warboss wrote:
Is this on facebook?

Yup.

I was going to ask about the super vf-1 but the answers going to be I should have done my research, isn't it?

These aren't the PB boards. You don't have to worry about that here.

Well then, did the really not have permission for the Super Vf-1, and are we in for a bunch more suprises?

Armoured and supers are in wave 2 aren't they?

I think in one of the updates PB mentioned backers will have the ability to glue the parts however you see fit, or something like that.

Joyboozer wrote:
Well then, did the really not have permission for the Super Vf-1, and are we in for a bunch more suprises?

You're thinking of the Strike, which is from Macross Ai Oboete Imasu Ka, which they did not have the rights for.
The Super and Armored are definitely in Robotech.

 judgedoug wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:
Well then, did the really not have permission for the Super Vf-1, and are we in for a bunch more suprises?

You're thinking of the Strike, which is from Macross Ai Oboete Imasu Ka, which they did not have the rights for.
The Super and Armored are definitely in Robotech.

There's also the Super VEF, which PB didn't realize for 4 months that they'd committed to, but didn't actually have the rights for either, which was a problem, given it was a stretch goal. I think they did a reasonable job fixing it, but it was (and for some, apparently still is) an issue.

Anyone gotten a shipping notice yet since they now have the second container? I'd expect a few hundred boxes to go out today with all the weeks if prep time they had.

Hopefully we'll have news tonight in an update.

BattleKids 3025+

So my kid (4) saw me open the Battletech Intro box that I bought for the minis more than anything and wanted to play. Normal Alpha Strike is still beyond him but this worked well as I made it up in my head in 30 seconds before setting up the game.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B0VSNzmthd1vRlRBVEw2LUNqdUU&usp=sharing

Morgan Vening wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:
Well then, did the really not have permission for the Super Vf-1, and are we in for a bunch more suprises?

You're thinking of the Strike, which is from Macross Ai Oboete Imasu Ka, which they did not have the rights for.
The Super and Armored are definitely in Robotech.

There's also the Super VEF, which PB didn't realize for 4 months that they'd committed to, but didn't actually have the rights for either, which was a problem, given it was a stretch goal. I think they did a reasonable job fixing it, but it was (and for some, apparently still is) an issue.

how was it fixed?

IIRC they said they'd include extra super bits for the KS boxes only (not the retail). They can't hint for you to use them as super VEF parts since they don't have the license but they obviously can't stop you from doing it either; you just won't have any rules, mention, or instructions for it. I don't think all the above was from one source though but there was an update last year about this time that mentioned most of it.


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 Mike1975 wrote:
Hopefully we'll have news tonight in an update.

Hopefully.. One would hope that the big warehouse they showed empty was just chocked full of prelabelled ready to fill and tape boxes so that they can go through and fill and double check an order in only a minute or two in batches of identical ones. That is the hope... but it seems hope has long forgotten this project so maybe only two or three boxes were set up before they got distracted by something more important like migrating geese.

 warboss wrote:
IIRC they said they'd include extra super bits for the KS boxes only (not the retail). They can't hint for you to use them as super VEF parts since they don't have the license but they obviously can't stop you from doing it either; you just won't have any rules, mention, or instructions for it. I don't think all the above was from one source though but there was an update last year about this time that mentioned most of it.

you mean this update?

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rrpgt/robotech-rpg-tacticstm/posts/578809

doesn't sound like they added anything new or fixed it since still don't have all the stuff needed especially the stat card, problem is they corrected the fact they could not give them after the project was funded, which could be very problematic for them.

Asterios wrote:

Morgan Vening wrote:
There's also the Super VEF, which PB didn't realize for 4 months that they'd committed to, but didn't actually have the rights for either, which was a problem, given it was a stretch goal. I think they did a reasonable job fixing it, but it was (and for some, apparently still is) an issue.

how was it fixed?

Fixed as in "offered something else that seemed acceptable to most people". Instead of getting the components for a single Super VEF, backers are getting TWO Super VF-1D's. Like I said, some people (yourself specifically) seem to feel this is a breach of contract issue. But others, myself included at the time, felt it was an acceptable tradeoff. I'm not going to argue the legalities, and what is and isn't permissible, and how the timing of the change impacts that.

I was just saying that for myself, and most of the people who commented at the time, it was considered better than what was initially offered. Now, I've got nothing but disdain for the way PB have conducted themselves since, but I'm not going to pretend it was an UNKNOWN bait and switch, or that knowing what had happened, I was still unhappy. That's not to say that there likely weren't some people that locked in their pledges early, and missed the Update that specifically spelled out the changes two weeks before the Pledge Manager ended. But as I said, comments at the time were almost completely in favor.

Personally, I think the Tomahawk/Defender interchangeability thing was, and is, a much more egregious error. Unlike the Super VEF thing, they neither fixed(as I defined in the first sentence) or admitted it. At least publicly. I have a PM that answered it for me. Not that I think a lawsuit is an acceptable solution, unless the secondary market for RRT falls completely into the crapper, or you don't attempt to sell your pledge prior to shipping (as I did). You're legally permitted to file suit (free country and all), but doing so in an attempt to harm the company (regardless of PB's deceptive/incompetent practices), unless you actually end up out of pocket, just comes across as a dick move.

Ah, that's right I remember it now, just all the KS updates that followed melted my brain.

Also, having watched roughly half a year of lawsuit based bullgak in the comments, can we please not rehash that out here.

We're firmly in "put up or shut up" territory here. The moment someone *actually files a suit* I would be very interested in hearing the details. Until that time, it's just hot air that riles people up and often descends into senseless back and forths about validity of standing and precedent and a ton of crap most of us aren't remotely equipped to weigh on.

I find posting in the kickstarter comments to be so laborious, typing one handed is so slow, if only I could stop shaking my fist at palladium with the other hand!

Joyboozer wrote:
I find posting in the kickstarter comments to be so laborious, typing one handed is so slow, if only I could stop shaking my fist at palladium with the other hand!

Thats how the moderators on the Palladium forums post.

One hand on the keys, the other....shaking whilst thinking of Palladium

Has anyone here got theirs yet? Can they tell me if there's any KS exclusiv stuff inside, or is it just some of the standard retail box content?

NTRabbit wrote:
Has anyone here got theirs yet? Can they tell me if there's any KS exclusive stuff inside, or is it just some of the standard retail box content?

Some people have received orders that included the core box only, or just had some "Wave One" items (VTs, Destroids other than the MAC II, battle pods, support pods, command pods). They lacked one of the Destroid expansion boxes and VT expansion boxes, so they couldn't send out "battle cry" boxes (what most people pledged for, singly or in multiples) until container #2 arrived.

There is some KS exclusive stuff, but most of it can (at their discretion) also be available at conventions as well, and none of it it shipping with Wave One. Wave 2 has a tentative delivery target of "when it's done". Was supposed to be the end of this year, but that has long been a pipe dream. The 'safe' bet seems to be late next year, but I wouldn't put money on it showing up in 2015, given that it has taken them nearly two years just to deliver on the first dozen'ish sprues, and wave two might have twice as many to prototype, test and do production runs on.

Long story short; the core box is the same one you'll get at retail, as are the expansions. Other than a limited run of Battlefoam bags, we're mostly just getting the 'chaff' units now (as in, the stuff we'll be fielding by the dozen).

NTRabbit wrote:
Has anyone here got theirs yet? Can they tell me if there's any KS exclusiv stuff inside, or is it just some of the standard retail box content?

Can't speak to receiving, but last information was that Container 2 arrived in the last day or so, which was required to start sending out BattleCry pledges. Prior to that, only the retail box pledge level (First Contact) was able to be shipped. There will be no KS exclusive stuff with BattleCry in Wave 1 (what's shipping this year), it will be the retail box, with about twice the normal amount of miniatures, though some of those will be ones not normally included in the base box (Spartan, Phalanx and Zentradi Artillery). However, those items WILL be available in the first wave of retail, which is currently scheduled for September*. But by their own often repeated statement, won't be until AFTER** all KS pledges have shipped***.

* Still find it funny that their cut and paste press releases and webstore still list September.

** Assuming they can be trusted at their word, they've already doubled back on that several times so far throughout the campaign.

*** It was initially "until after all KS pledges had been received", but recently they've quietly stuck in the new wording, else EU/RoW shipments would significantly delay the retail release, and missing Christmas for retail is problematic, given all the other missed release dates.

Morgan Vening wrote:
However, those items WILL be available in the first wave of retail, which is currently scheduled for September*.

So at least 11 more months until retail. Got it.

They have specifically said that they will deliver to backers before it goes to retail. Personally, this far into the year, I think the best case scenario is them shipping the last of the boxes out using their usual processes and then firing out boxes for retail at a faster (but not ludicrously expensive) manner for ASAP distribution, ignoring that the latter might overtake the former for some places.

At worst, they're a good month or so from needing to make the hard call on whether they want their gak to be in place for the holiday sales season or not, and if they do (spoiler alert: they do) then they need to do something. Be it a "some boxes of stuff we don't need are going out for retail, no need to panic, just wrapping up the last few (... hundred) packages before we fire off for EU" or something similar. Some technicality or downplayed 'totally reasonable, don't you guys think it's reasonable? Look how awesome we are!" that the die hards can grab onto and cheer over and the rest of us can roll our eyes at.

And I fully admit I could be wrong.

But taking their statements at face value is benefit of the doubt that they are still a long way from earning back.

 Forar wrote:
Some technicality or downplayed 'totally reasonable, don't you guys think it's reasonable? Look how awesome we are!" that the die hards can grab onto and cheer over and the rest of us can roll our eyes at.

"We've got our shipments for the EU backers coming in next week, and we need to clear out some warehouse space because there's so much stuff coming in! So we're going to go ahead and start sending some of the extra stuff that won't be needed for EU packages out to retailers starting tomorrow."

/innocent whistle

Eumerin wrote:

 Forar wrote:
Some technicality or downplayed 'totally reasonable, don't you guys think it's reasonable? Look how awesome we are!" that the die hards can grab onto and cheer over and the rest of us can roll our eyes at.

"We've got our shipments for the EU backers coming in next week, and we need to clear out some warehouse space because there's so much stuff coming in! So we're going to go ahead and start sending some of the extra stuff that won't be needed for EU packages out to retailers starting tomorrow."

/innocent whistle

For a moment there I thought I missed that line in the newest update (just released). But I agree, I just wait for them screwing over EU/ROW backers.

Ahoy there! It was another busy week at Palladium, featuring the arrival of Container #2 of Robotech RPG Tactics. Shipping will start in earnest tomorrow, but today, check out the Weekly Update.

http://www.palladiumbooks.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=743:palladium-booksr-weekly-update-october-2-2014&catid=52:weekly-updates&Itemid=183

Robotech® RPG Tactics™

What is taking up a lot of time for many of us is the shipping of Robotech® RPG Tactics™ to our Kickstarter backers. But we are soooo delighted to be into it full swing now. With the arrival of Container Two at the Palladium warehouse this week, and Container Three in port (barring any delays, we should have it next week), we can now ship out Robotech® RPG Tactics™ products at a rapid pace. Prep work for the big shipping push is finished, we think all the bugs have been worked out of the new shipping system, and we are ready to rock and roll! We have some freelancers and volunteers coming in all weekend to help us prep and pack packages that can go out first thing Monday. We will continue to pack and ship all next week. Of course, a few hundred will be going out tomorrow and we intend to ship 1,000+ by the end of next week.

Meanwhile, Containers Four and Five are packed and at sea. And China is working on Container Six. Here are some photos of the delivery of Container Two taken by Matthew Clements.

*snip* If you want to see the pics you'll have to go to the page.

HELP Wanted: A few good volunteers

We are looking for volunteers to help prep, package and ship Robotech® RPG Tactics™ over the next few weeks. If you live in the area and are willing and able to help, please call the Palladium office (734-721-2903 tel.). Please do so even if you’ve already let us know you are willing to help. We have a couple of freelancers, the staff, NMI and a pal from Canada coming in to help already. Note: Please DO NOT just show up. We’ll want to schedule volunteers when they’ll be most helpful, so if you want to help, call first. Thanks.

TLDR Bulletpoints:

Battle Cry boxes STILL aren't shipping out, but they say hundreds should go out tomorrow, and a thousand by next week. Which is a lot. The 6,300+ they need to send, however, make that maybe 15% of what is going, making it a start, and they'll just have another 5,300'ish to send out in 3 weeks to cover that October shipping target.

Gondor calls for aid! I mean, Palladium needs volunteers for packaging! A chance to work shoulder to shoulder with the Staff of PB, and NMI himself! Truly the greatest of opportunities!

Edit: oh, and they still list "Retail Release Date: In stores September, 2014." This is going to be such a gangbusters event it's going to transcend time itself!

 Forar wrote:
TLDR Bulletpoints:

Battle Cry boxes STILL aren't shipping out, but they say hundreds should go out tomorrow, and a thousand by next week. Which is a lot. The 6,300+ they need to send, however, make that maybe 15% of what is going, making it a start, and they'll just have another 5,300'ish to send out in 3 weeks to cover that October shipping target.

They plan to send out hundreds tomorrow. But they apparently haven't done anything the last two days. The container arrived Tuesday morning. I've done some container work, and it can be a hard slog for a small crew. So I'll write off all of Tuesday, for the forklifting of the pallets, and the removal of shrinkwrap and sorting the initial boxes into appropriate piles. But that doesn't excuse Wednesday or Thursday. Even if there's a disruption with the shipping companies (FedEx/USPS/etc might need notice to start picking up in quantity), but they could start packing them in anticipation of pickup.

 Forar wrote:
Gondor calls for aid! I mean, Palladium needs volunteers for packaging! A chance to work shoulder to shoulder with the Staff of PB, and NMI himself! Truly the greatest of opportunities!

Yeah, them specifically calling out NMI, yeah, that's gonna have me rushing down to help. Unless he's going to be kept in medieval stocks, or a dunk tank. But then again, maybe that's the reason nothing got done Wed/Thur? They're waiting on the slave labour (I mean volunteers) to arrive. Get their hands dirty themselves? Heavens to Betsy, no!

 Forar wrote:
Edit: oh, and they still list "Retail Release Date: In stores September, 2014." This is going to be such a gangbusters event it's going to transcend time itself!

It's been going on so long, it's no longer even funny. Strike that. It's still funny. But in a sad way.

Morgan Vening wrote:
I've done some container work, and it can be a hard slog for a small crew. So I'll write off all of Tuesday, for the forklifting of the pallets, and the removal of shrinkwrap and sorting the initial boxes into appropriate piles. But that doesn't excuse Wednesday or Thursday. Even if there's a disruption with the shipping companies (FedEx/USPS/etc might need notice to start picking up in quantity), but they could start packing them in anticipation of pickup.

I'd be surprised if PB had something in the warehouse as efficient as a forklift given that they cost $$$ to run and maintain. More than likely they have one or two hand-jacks, which are probably not motorized either.

Unless of course they paid out money to rent something....

Morgan Vening wrote:

 Forar wrote:
Gondor calls for aid! I mean, Palladium needs volunteers for packaging! A chance to work shoulder to shoulder with the Staff of PB, and NMI himself! Truly the greatest of opportunities!

Yeah, them specifically calling out NMI, yeah, that's gonna have me rushing down to help. They're waiting on the slave labour (I mean volunteers) to arrive. Get their hands dirty themselves? Heavens to Betsy, no!

True enough, the company could have been classy and offered an incentive like springing for a pizza or take-out breakfast/lunch/dinner while those folks bust ass, but then, you know, it is PB.

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Eh, to be fair, it wouldn't surprise me if they bought lunch and hooked the helpers out with a core box or something. A couple hundred bucks in food and product to get some extra hands would be a small price to pay.

But... yes... I also wouldn't be surprised if they just thanked them. Maybe even a shout out in the newsletters!

They're starting shipping and still don't have enough volunteers? Oh, if only I'd done my research before backing this.
Wait, WTF, Palladium should have done their research before starting thus project. Holy crap, guys, it's not the backers fault at all! We've been mislead!

They plan to send out hundreds tomorrow. But they apparently haven't done anything the last two days. The container arrived Tuesday morning. I've done some container work, and it can be a hard slog for a small crew. So I'll write off all of Tuesday, for the forklifting of the pallets, and the removal of shrinkwrap and sorting the initial boxes into appropriate piles. But that doesn't excuse Wednesday or Thursday. Even if there's a disruption with the shipping companies (FedEx/USPS/etc might need notice to start picking up in quantity), but they could start packing them in anticipation of pickup.

@Morgan- That's also the first thing that came to my mind when reading the update. That and the fact that they haven't even got the packing lists set up yet (something to do during the two weeks they were waiting for container #2 to arrive me thinks). Oh well, no use expecting competence from PB at this late date. They've only been shipping out product for decades after all, they're new at this.

Think of all the positive karma one could accumulate!

And no - I'm not kidding!

Someone, anyone - get in there!

I'm sure just the chance to work with NMI and Kevin in the same building will be EPIC. An event that only comes once in a lifetime. I'll be sure to post my envy about it in Dec when my 3 month ban is lifted.

 Cypher-xv wrote:
I'm sure just the chance to work with NMI and Kevin in the same building will be EPIC. An event that only comes once in a lifetime. I'll be sure to post my envy about it in Dec when my 3 month ban is lifted.

Damn...NMI is there. Man I should volunteer so we could pal around. I wonder if he's good at sensual massage?

Considering that Kevin still keeps him around I'm sure he does.


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Hm just noticed my status has changed to a brownie pilot. I'm awesome and epic!

Awesome job whomever added the Macross track!

FWIW, I received my tracking number from Palladium tonight, UPS has an ETA for Tuesday. I'm at the Battle Cry pledge level.

 Brasidas wrote:
FWIW, I received my tracking number from Palladium tonight, UPS has an ETA for Tuesday. I'm at the Battle Cry pledge level.

Congrats! What was your backerkit number out of curiosity?

Update #161

Accelerated Shipping, Day 1

Here they are, the first batch of Battle Cry boxes patiently awaiting the UPS trucks, plural, three hours ago. Between these and the handful of boxes that went via USPS today, I know 200 backers who should be getting tracking emails any time now.

Our backs and feet are sore, and now we have to make hundreds more boxes to replace the ones we went through today, but this was a good day. We ironed out our packing and shipping processes in a few places, so we should be able to keep up this pace pretty easily, and hopefully speed things up as more containers come in.

We’ll be at this all weekend, making boxes and doing other prep work, but I hope the rest of you enjoy yours.

Oh noes, their backs and feet are sore!

Look, not to be 'that guy', but this is day one of the real work. They could have at least a month, if not two, maybe three, just full of days like this in order to get out backer boxes, EU wrapped up, and retail distribution.

Maybe 'hoping volunteers round out our efforts' isn't a winning plan here.

 Swabby wrote:
Awesome job whomever added the Macross track!

Glad you like it. I really was excited about the project last year when I did it but Palladium has largely sucked that enthusiasm dry since. I'm glad though that a couple folks are using it. The last two secret ranks will be a hoot to see used.

And given how much longer we have left in this project, I'm sure there'll be a bunch of us up there by the time Wave 2 delivers.

BAM!

 Forar wrote:

Update #161

Accelerated Shipping, Day 1

Here they are, the first batch of Battle Cry boxes patiently awaiting the UPS trucks, plural, three hours ago. Between these and the handful of boxes that went via USPS today, I know 200 backers who should be getting tracking emails any time now.

Our backs and feet are sore, and now we have to make hundreds more boxes to replace the ones we went through today, but this was a good day. We ironed out our packing and shipping processes in a few places, so we should be able to keep up this pace pretty easily, and hopefully speed things up as more containers come in.

We’ll be at this all weekend, making boxes and doing other prep work, but I hope the rest of you enjoy yours.

Oh noes, their backs and feet are sore!

Look, not to be 'that guy', but this is day one of the real work. They could have at least a month, if not two, maybe three, just full of days like this in order to get out backer boxes, EU wrapped up, and retail distribution.

Maybe 'hoping volunteers round out our efforts' isn't a winning plan here.

What they need is some great working music. A month of days like this? Remember the scene in Conan where the skinny kid is lashed to the giant mill-wheel and pushes that sucker until he develops the mighty thews of Arnold Schwarzenegger? That's probably how it's going to play out.

I was asking because I like to give away a KS exclusive figure of some kind every year in a long running painting competition I'm in (and really bad at). I've got two of lot of them due to me from Robotech and figured on giving away onf of my Khyrons or something, but if none of them are going to arrive any time soon, I may have to make other arrangements.

 warboss wrote:

Congrats! What was your backerkit number out of curiosity?

#404

(Edit, that might be the backer number, not the backer kit number? It's the number I get by going into backer history and clicking on the project.)

As badly as I want my minis, the upside of this taking so long is that at least I can get painting done before hand.

Does anyone know where I can get custom transfers made? I plan on making all the Joint Fighter Wings from Strike Witches (anime) into veritech squadrons, and want to put the JFW number (501st, 504th, etc.) as well as their symbol on the wings. I was gonna put transfers of names under the canopies but that's just too small @.@

Has anyone heard anything about EU shippings? Because apparently there are some pretty strong rumours over here that PB is going to ship everything themselves, and via USPS.

...in which case, there will be pretty hefty additional costs that I'm most certainly NOT happy paying for this.

NTRabbit wrote:
I was asking because I like to give away a KS exclusive figure of some kind every year in a long running painting competition I'm in (and really bad at). I've got two of lot of them due to me from Robotech and figured on giving away onf of my Khyrons or something, but if none of them are going to arrive any time soon, I may have to make other arrangements.

Yeah, nothing LE in this wave. Wave 2 is scheduled for "?" currently.

 Brasidas wrote:

 warboss wrote:

Congrats! What was your backerkit number out of curiosity?

#404

(Edit, that might be the backer number, not the backer kit number? It's the number I get by going into backer history and clicking on the project.)

Yeah, that's the Backer number. Backer Kit number is found on the BK site we all filled out a year and change ago. You can go back to it and hit "next" and it'll tell you your number again. For example, I'm KS backer #31, but I'm number 308 in the Backer Kit itself.

 Albertorius wrote:
Has anyone heard anything about EU shippings? Because apparently there are some pretty strong rumours over here that PB is going to ship everything themselves, and via USPS.

...in which case, there will be pretty hefty additional costs that I'm most certainly NOT happy paying for this.

No. People have been asking for ages, and they did touch on it a few updates back, but nothing concrete, and yes, I recall in the FAQ them saying that they'd take care of the shipping costs. Really hoping they don't feth that up, because with 8 boxes coming...

I feel like we've been over this before but, 200 boxes a day doesn't seem like all that an impressive a number to me.

With most of their staff packing along with Fan Friend/Volunteers, they can surely do much better than that!

It doesn't seem so to me either. I mean, even with just 3 or 4 people working, 50-65 boxes per person across a day isn't exactly a back breaking pace.

Now, they also talk about building boxes, and getting those built, taped up and ready to go adds time (caveat; in the last month they could've filled every foot of available warehouse space they didn't need for RRT shipping/pallets with those boxes and been ready to go) and can be a pain, but yeah... it's not exactly taking things at a run.

If I continue to be more fair than they deserve, there are also limits on their ability to put out boxes (they said about a thousand by the end of next week) and Container 3 hasn't arrived at the warehouse yet, so it may simply be them pacing themselves until they have another giant supply up stuff for battle cries.

But yeah... pre-built boxes and the right motivation, I feel like I could do 100+ in a day on my own. It's tedious stuff, but it's not rocket science.

 Alpharius wrote:
I feel like we've been over this before but, 200 boxes a day doesn't seem like all that an impressive a number to me.

With most of their staff packing along with Fan Friend/Volunteers, they can surely do much better than that!

It's better than the 200 boxes they did for the past month since they loaded the first container with only the stuff they wanted to sell at gencon despite those accounting for less than 5% of pledges. You have to look at the bright side... even if that bright side is a flickering candle in the night breeze 500ft away! As for the fan friends, it is likely that all but their employees (including the freelancers and forum mod) will go back to their normal lives after this weekend.

Do Yak or Lego make you fly out and help them move as a condition of being a forum mod?


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 Forar wrote:

 Brasidas wrote:

 warboss wrote:

Congrats! What was your backerkit number out of curiosity?

#404

(Edit, that might be the backer number, not the backer kit number? It's the number I get by going into backer history and clicking on the project.)

Yeah, that's the Backer number. Backer Kit number is found on the BK site we all filled out a year and change ago. You can go back to it and hit "next" and it'll tell you your number again. For example, I'm KS backer #31, but I'm number 308 in the Backer Kit itself.

Yeah, I'm backerkit number 250ish and didn't get a notification which is why I asked. My wave one is just a simple battlecry and two decal sheets so I'd expect that the simplicity of my order, US status, and low number would put me in the first week if not the first batch.

It seems to me that I need to take a weeks vacation, buy a plane ticket, and get a hotel reservation to volunteer at PB just to ensure I can pack and ship my own pledge to myself. That's about the only way I can think of getting my pledge anytime soon...

 Forar wrote:
It doesn't seem so to me either. I mean, even with just 3 or 4 people working, 50-65 boxes per person across a day isn't exactly a back breaking pace.

Maybe not back-breaking, but that is a good pace. I used to work in a 3-4 man warehouse (depending on the day), and 200 packages would be considered a decent day's labor. We could hit upwards of 400/day if we got busy, but we'd have to move people over from the office side to help meet demand. (Actually, that was usually me, I'd work in the office most days, but do time in the warehouse when things got busy or someone called in sick.)

I found my backerkit number, and you guys' heads are gonna asplode.

#2594

So, it's starting to look like they're going by KS Backer #, rather than Backer Kit #.

So much for me getting mine anytime soon...

Blitzkrieg Early Bird pledge shipped va UPS Ground, eta Tuesday.

Definitely by backer number, as I was one of the first!
Can't wait! Think I'll take a half-day Wednesday so I can get all my minis assembled!

 Spartan-Kun wrote:
As badly as I want my minis, the upside of this taking so long is that at least I can get painting done before hand.

Does anyone know where I can get custom transfers made? I plan on making all the Joint Fighter Wings from Strike Witches (anime) into veritech squadrons, and want to put the JFW number (501st, 504th, etc.) as well as their symbol on the wings. I was gonna put transfers of names under the canopies but that's just too small @.@

If you've got access to a good laser printer you can get paper allowing you to print your own water slide decals, a good (US) source is

http://www.papilio.com/laser%20water%20slide%20decal%20paper.html

That's a clear paper, you can also get white (as you can't print it on most laser printers)

a decent basic guide on dakka

http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/How_to_make_custom_waterslide_decals

as to getting stuff printed it by an external company it always worked out too expensive for me, but if you try asking in a us model railway or military modelling forum yiu might get some suggestions

Thanks!

So looking at the pledger's being done by end of Oct and general prders for the rest of us in Nov?.....Serious bank saved up for this nut roll...

Maybe.

I wouldn't hold my breath.

 judgedoug wrote:
Blitzkrieg Early Bird pledge shipped va UPS Ground, eta Tuesday.

Definitely by backer number, as I was one of the first!
Can't wait! Think I'll take a half-day Wednesday so I can get all my minis assembled!

My backerkit number is in the 200's and my backer number on KS of less than 50... and I don't have a shipping notification as a US blitzkrieg backer. Did you get *anything* beyond just the battlecry pledge in wave 1? I'm sure they'll get around eventually to me after NMI flags us trouble makers to be delivered last.

Also got a shipping notice. Pledged for Battlecry with no extras, backerkit number 2200+.

:/ I just realized I'd probably be getting mine sooner had I just gotten 3 Battlecry, instead of a showdown and Battlecry. Or do you think it wouldn't matter?

 Manchu wrote:
Also got a shipping notice. Pledged for Battlecry with no extras, backerkit number 2200+.

What's your backer number, Manchu?

Either they're skipping International folks entirely, or they have decided for whatever reason to go with Backer Number (from KS itself) instead. I've seen another guy comment on having a KS# in the 200's and a BK number around 2000 which is making me think that either they changed their distribution order, or they don't actually realize the difference between the two.

The good news for my group is that I'm backer #31, and backer kit #308.

The bad news is that they seem to be skipping international boxes for now, and/or larger orders. Being Canadian and having 8 Battle Cry's coming may have us waiting a container or two (or more).

How do you find your backer number?

Go to the KS site, click on your profile on the top right, click "view all" scroll down to RRT and click on it, and it'll take you to a little info pop up which will include your backer number beside a cog just below the creator's name.


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 Spartan-Kun wrote:
:/ I just realized I'd probably be getting mine sooner had I just gotten 3 Battlecry, instead of a showdown and Battlecry. Or do you think it wouldn't matter?

I don't think it would've mattered unless you'd ordered them across 3 separate accounts. BC+SD or 3 BC are the same number of boxes, and if box count is holding people up a bit, those 3 would be in your way regardless of how you broke them down.

As an 8 box backer with my friends, believe me, I'm kind of wishing we'd gone with 2 orders of 4 instead.

Well, I really wish we'd kept to 4 or 6 boxes in general, but here we are.

Actually I am ahead of a few individuals here. Seems Robotech is on the same scale as Battletech mini's....I've a lot of Marauders, Warhammers, Riflemans, Crossbows, Wolverines,.....plus I still have all my terrain from the the days lol

Couple Ceasars to..

My backer number is 323

 Jihadin wrote:
Actually I am ahead of a few individuals here. Seems Robotech is on the same scale as Battletech mini's....I've a lot of Marauders, Warhammers, Riflemans, Crossbows, Wolverines,.....plus I still have all my terrain from the the days lol

Couple Ceasars to..

Kind of. The "Destroids" (Warhammer, Rifleman, etc analogs) are apparently roughly the same scale.

The "Marauder", however, is somewhere approaching 3 inches tall, which is (from what the BT fans tell me) rather big for even a Marauder II, or whatever that Assault class variant was.

Anyway, my point of the "maybe" wasn't your preparedness, assuming that's what you're 'actually, I am ahead' statement was about. I was referring to the delivery estimate. Their plan is 'backers in Oct, retail after that'. The reality is that they have around 6,300 "battle cry" boxes to ship out, and hope to be up to around a thousand by the end of this week. Depending on whether or not they can keep up that pace, how their containers arrive (timely fashion or not) and other factors, 'maybe' they'll be done with backer boxes in the next month and change (let's be real, barring a minor miracle this is probably going into November), so 'maybe' it'll be at retail in November. Obviously that's what they want, what with the holiday sales period approaching like a freight train, but I wouldn't hold my breath either.

That said, I'd keep an eye on ebay and whatever trading forums you might use. I imagine there'll be some boxes showing up for sale/trade there in the coming weeks.

You'd be welcome to buy some of mine, but I'm planning on at least starting with selling locally, cut down the time, effort and outright hassle dealing with ebay, paypal and shipping stuff around.

 Manchu wrote:
My backer number is 323

Huh. Seems like the theory that they're using Backer number of Backer KIT number is holding water pretty well, at least with the limited data points we have so far.

 Forar wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Actually I am ahead of a few individuals here. Seems Robotech is on the same scale as Battletech mini's....I've a lot of Marauders, Warhammers, Riflemans, Crossbows, Wolverines,.....plus I still have all my terrain from the the days lol

Couple Ceasars to..

Kind of. The "Destroids" (Warhammer, Rifleman, etc analogs) are apparently roughly the same scale.

The "Marauder", however, is somewhere approaching 3 inches tall, which is (from what the BT fans tell me) rather big for even a Marauder II, or whatever that Assault class variant was.

Anyway, my point of the "maybe" wasn't your preparedness, assuming that's what you're 'actually, I am ahead' statement was about. I was referring to the delivery estimate. Their plan is 'backers in Oct, retail after that'. The reality is that they have around 6,300 "battle cry" boxes to ship out, and hope to be up to around a thousand by the end of this week. Depending on whether or not they can keep up that pace, how their containers arrive (timely fashion or not) and other factors, 'maybe' they'll be done with backer boxes in the next month and change (let's be real, barring a minor miracle this is probably going into November), so 'maybe' it'll be at retail in November. Obviously that's what they want, what with the holiday sales period approaching like a freight train, but I wouldn't hold my breath either.

That said, I'd keep an eye on ebay and whatever trading forums you might use. I imagine there'll be some boxes showing up for sale/trade there in the coming weeks.

You'd be welcome to buy some of mine, but I'm planning on at least starting with selling locally, cut down the time, effort and outright hassle dealing with ebay, paypal and shipping stuff around.

 Manchu wrote:
My backer number is 323

Huh. Seems like the theory that they're using Backer number of Backer KIT number is holding water pretty well, at least with the limited data points we have so far.

From what I read from satellite sites its geared at Battletech scale. The "Unseen" which I have quite a few of have are not matched to exactness being copy right laws. Process of breaking out my terrain for Battletech and scaling it a promo model I bought on Ebay (paid a lot to be expected but figure I make it up by selling some scale terrain and 40K sets )

 Jihadin wrote:
From what I read from satellite sites its geared at Battletech scale. The "Unseen" which I have quite a few of have are not matched to exactness being copy right laws.

Far as I know it has nothing to do with copyright law. Simply the raw size of the 'mechs' in question (ie; the Zentraedi stuff is huge compared to the RDF stuff).

Example; a "Warhammer" (Tomahawk in RRT) and a "Rifleman" (Defender) are around 1.25-1.5 inches tall in these models. The "Marauder" ("Glaug" officer's pod) is around 3 inches tall. The latter is not, by any means, 'in scale' with other Battletech stuff.

But, as I said, the 'rdf' mechs should be at least close.

@Forar: I tried following your directions to find my baker number but can't seem to find this "vew all" of which you speak.

 Spartan-Kun wrote:
@Forar: I tried following your directions to find my baker number but can't seem to find this "vew all" of which you speak.

If you go to the KS home page, and then click on the icon (your profile avatar image) on the top right, you get a drop down with options to check your profile and view the last few campaigns you backed. At the bottom you can "view all", assuming that RRT isn't in the last 5 campaigns you've contributed to.

Click that, scroll down, find RRT, click on it, and it'll bring up a brief synopsis on the campaign.

Only if its not one of the last five? I've only backed two.

Oh, then just click "Backer History" in the column on the left of that short list. It'll take you to the same place.

Backer # 1934
Backer Kit # 2584

Yeah, that plus the 3 BC's means you'll probably be waiting a while.

At least as a US backer you shouldn't be waiting as long as the EU folks, and might even snag yours before us poor ROW fethers. Key points will be to see how much action we get this week, and what the status of C3 is.

That thing gets held up by customs or whatever and it could put the whole line back.

Where are folks finding their backer kit number? I'm not seeing that anywhere in the confirmation email or currently in backer kit. I'm ks 2865, so not expecting anything for a bit.

Triple9 wrote:
Where are folks finding their backer kit number? I'm not seeing that anywhere in the confirmation email or currently in backer kit. I'm ks 2865, so not expecting anything for a bit.

Log into the BK site from the email they sent you last year, hit "next" and it'll say "congratulations, you're #____" blah blah blah.

Though given the folks we've seen with KS#'s in the hundreds and BK#'s in the thousands, I think the BK# is effectively worthless, contrary to what we were told initially.

Which, of course, is SOP for this project.

Thanks, 3246. Either number, I'm in for a wait. Gives me time to paint some more deadzone I guess.

 Forar wrote:

Triple9 wrote:
Where are folks finding their backer kit number? I'm not seeing that anywhere in the confirmation email or currently in backer kit. I'm ks 2865, so not expecting anything for a bit.

Log into the BK site from the email they sent you last year, hit "next" and it'll say "congratulations, you're #____" blah blah blah.

Though given the folks we've seen with KS#'s in the hundreds and BK#'s in the thousands, I think the BK# is effectively worthless, contrary to what we were told initially.

Which, of course, is SOP for this project.

It's Palladium, whatever set of rules they came up with wouldn't have worked, Kevin would have started making things up on the fly...
Better hope the packers roll high on the package contents chart if you want what you ordered.

Not too high. Hit 99% and all hell breaks loose.

And for the love of all that is holy, don't try to auto-dodge an issue.

That thing is a mess from start to finish.

Backer number #138
Backer kit number #1566

But I'm Australian, so I'll probably be last.

Forar (and whoever else gets their mini's)

I'm semi retiring on 40K in preparation for getting into Robotech.

Heard the Robotech RDF scale is compatible with Micro Armor vehicles and aircrafts. I've a huge collection of Micro Armor vehicles back when I was doing Sand Box set up in the Army (Don't ask Brother but it was a fun gig for at times I get to go on TDY to set up Sand Box) I just need someone to post their RDF figure by a Space Marine so I can build out type of theme's for terrain. I just need a actual eyeball visual if Battletech vehicles would be the right "size"

I read the bases are the same as 40K....base for a tactical marine is used and base for termie is used. I just need a confirmation

Also the "Unseen" being produce by Robotech and those produced before Ral Partha lost the lawsuit. There's a wee bit of a size difference but the RDF one's are more DETAILED. As for the Z's mini's you are quite correct on the height. At most an inch.

Since terrain seems to be 6mm (Battletech hex terrain would be to goofy) the first couple months I see everyone using 40K terrain Since I feel I've been shafted by GW with the new DE codex I going into building terrain for my battles.

They mention expansions for Southern Cross?
Robotech masters?
Invid?
NVM I am getting to far ahead of myself

At least I have something going for me. I'm really hoping the minis are worth the wait...

Anyone know off the top of their head, what the standard base size is?

Same or close the same bases a SM use and a SM Termie use

Ok, there's some terrain that I wanna get from Creative Gamescapes (Spaceship x) and it should work great as the interior of a zentradi ship.

Now that be interesting. Boarding action. Can only see Veritech making the fight though unless its a ground Zentradi ship. Though you would have to gear it towards the "Z's" with barricades and what not. I'm pondering the same but making it RDF1 with Galactica landing bay

Edit

Is there going to be a dedicated thread column for Robotech?

I just love CQB in all forms :3 but it wouldn't be right to give the zenteradi too much, since any VT's wouldn't be able to use fighter mode. It'd still be epic.

Oooh or a really large game, with the interior of a ship AND the exterior. Maybe destroids inside repelling the Zentradi as VT squadrons fight outside and work their way in?

"Thread column"?

Subforum?

That's up the dakka folks. 2 threads (general chatter and rules discussion) have held us pretty well so far. I imagine anything further would require this game to gain considerable traction in the public large.

There are no plans to open a RRT sub-forum.

 Manchu wrote:
There are no plans to open a RRT sub-forum.

Thanks Manchu. Though kicking the idea a bit is good for "just in case"

 Jihadin wrote:
Same or close the same bases a SM use and a SM Termie use

Nope. Space Marine bases are 25mm. Smallest RRT base is 40mm. Largest in Wave 1 is the Glaug at 50mm. I think they said Monster and Glaug Eldare would be 60mm. It's unknown if the Zentradi Infantry will be smaller (because it's Palladium, and making crap up on the fly is their modus operandi), but I believe it was stated the smallest base is 40mm.


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 Spartan-Kun wrote:
Ok, there's some terrain that I wanna get from Creative Gamescapes (Spaceship x) and it should work great as the interior of a zentradi ship.

Be very careful when dealing with them. Their Kickstarter was a complete clusterfeth, and their EBay and online store have been terrible. It took 10 months past their initial 1 month fulfillment time, and several threats of involving the police, before I received my almost complete order (The unlocked ramps were unilaterally rescinded). They refused to comment, refused to answer PM, and left no other way of communicating with them (had to resort to some desperate measures to get enough info to give to the KC Fraud Unit). Their FB page hasn't been updated in over a year, and there are STILL people on the KS that haven't received their product, or received notification.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/670901595/creative-gamescapes-spaceship-x/comments

In addition, if you intend on using the sidewalls, the larger models (such as the regular Glaug), just won't fit. The squares are about 45mm wide, and the regular Glaug as mentioned earlier, is 50mm.

On the flip side, the product appears to be pretty damned good. Very solid. But I'm not sure it's worth the risk, unless you make sure to cover your ass with purchasing protections. For as much crap as I give PB (and I feel it's deserved), even their clusterfeth of a KS hasn't been as bad as that one was.

I've head really, REALLY bad things about what happened during their KS. Though I thought enough time had passed that at least their Ebay set up would be good by now.

I'm debating on using the walls, though I'm probably going to. Since you wouldn't find a Glaug fighting inside the hallways of a ship.

It's the cheapest way I've found to do a starship interior/underground facility board. Zone Mortalis and Mantic's battlezones are pretty expensive for large boards.

 Spartan-Kun wrote:
I've head really, REALLY bad things about what happened during their KS. Though I thought enough time had passed that at least their Ebay set up would be good by now.

The Kickstarter issues are still ongoing, and in the link I provided, someone tried end-running it through EBay middle of August, and as of September 16, it's been a month without contact through that method either. Just recommending you go through whatever process gives you the best consumer protections, as I'd be skeptical you'ld get it without problem.

 Spartan-Kun wrote:
I'm debating on using the walls, though I'm probably going to. Since you wouldn't find a Glaug fighting inside the hallways of a ship.

It's the cheapest way I've found to do a starship interior/underground facility board. Zone Mortalis and Mantic's battlezones are pretty expensive for large boards.

Depends on how big you want it. To fill a 6x4 table to this level, requires 8 sets.

Depending on if you're willing to get your hands a little dirty, the Hirst Arts stuff is a bit on outlay, but allows you to produce as much as you want.

Like I said, if you can get the CG stuff, it's really good. But any significant expenditure, with the reputation (both past and current) that they have, I'd be leery if not paying in person for physical product, or at least without getting a real-world contact point.

:/ That's a bummer to hear. I was hoping things would be fine by now.

I'd wanna get between 8-12 sets so I can chop some bits up and customize them for what I want to do.

I love the Hirst Arts stuff. It's not so much unwillingness to get my hands dirty as it is that I don't know how capable I'd be at that. If I thought I could do I would. Though with the knowledge that they aren't all that reliable...I may end up taking a chance with Hirst Arts anyway.

 Forar wrote:
You'd be welcome to buy some of mine, but I'm planning on at least starting with selling locally, cut down the time, effort and outright hassle dealing with ebay, paypal and shipping stuff around.

Please let me know availability of the "destroids", I have some friends ready to mug me for "Battletech" miniatures... good excuse to do a meet at some point: Toronto is about an hour away for me.


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 Jihadin wrote:
Since terrain seems to be 6mm (Battletech hex terrain would be to goofy) the first couple months I see everyone using 40K terrain Since I feel I've been shafted by GW with the new DE codex I going into building terrain for my battles.

Jihadin, I went to a fair bit of work and got some input from others on stuff out there, this is a good start:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/531655.page
There are many people putting out great laser-cut terrain out there.
I keep meaning to pick up the DZC ruined cityscape to match the "pristine" version I had bought.

 warboss wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
Blitzkrieg Early Bird pledge shipped va UPS Ground, eta Tuesday.

Definitely by backer number, as I was one of the first!
Can't wait! Think I'll take a half-day Wednesday so I can get all my minis assembled!

My backerkit number is in the 200's and my backer number on KS of less than 50... and I don't have a shipping notification as a US blitzkrieg backer. Did you get *anything* beyond just the battlecry pledge in wave 1? I'm sure they'll get around eventually to me after NMI flags us trouble makers to be delivered last.

My add-ons were VF-1D/VEF-1, resin SDF-1, etc - a buncha wave 2 stuff. I'm definitely going to be buying more destroids from miniaturemarket or discount_games_store.

Yup, in transit, on time. If anyone hasn't signed up for MyUPS, you probably should. It'll flag any packages heading to your address and give you email updates and let you view a calendar and expected delivery dates for packages, etc.



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 Manchu wrote:
My backer number is 323

Mine is #26

Backer number is the new e-peen measuring stick?

Joyboozer wrote:

 Forar wrote:

Log into the BK site from the email they sent you last year, hit "next" and it'll say "congratulations, you're #____" blah blah blah.

Though given the folks we've seen with KS#'s in the hundreds and BK#'s in the thousands, I think the BK# is effectively worthless, contrary to what we were told initially.

Which, of course, is SOP for this project.

It's Palladium, whatever set of rules they came up with wouldn't have worked, Kevin would have started making things up on the fly...
Better hope the packers roll high on the package contents chart if you want what you ordered.

So is the new thing to complain about the order in which Palladium is shipping boxes. Which, the complaints are, of course, entirely based upon speculation.

Scraping the bottom of the barrel now, guys.


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 Jihadin wrote:
Forar (and whoever else gets their mini's)

I'm semi retiring on 40K in preparation for getting into Robotech.

Heard the Robotech RDF scale is compatible with Micro Armor vehicles and aircrafts. I've a huge collection of Micro Armor vehicles back when I was doing Sand Box set up in the Army (Don't ask Brother but it was a fun gig for at times I get to go on TDY to set up Sand Box) I just need someone to post their RDF figure by a Space Marine so I can build out type of theme's for terrain. I just need a actual eyeball visual if Battletech vehicles would be the right "size"

I'm a huge Micro-armor fan as well as Battletech; 1/300 and 1/285 terrain is perfect. If you already have GHQ micro armor or Battletech vehicles, they'll work just fine.



I have been slowly building up an urban city using Gamecraft Miniatures buildings, including the multi-building sets available here - http://gcmini.mybigcommerce.com/6mm-large-city-buildings/?sort=featured&page=2


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 Alpharius wrote:
Backer number is the new e-peen measuring stick?

Mine and Manchu's have shipped and people were asking about backer #'s in order to attempt to guess what order Palladium was shipping in.

I believe it's by backer # (as they've stated that), shipping what is easiest first (single pledges with little to no add ons, such as mine, and such as Manchu's), in order to get as much stuff processed as quickly as possible. That's basically how any warehouse/shipping operation would work. At least, it better, as I've written software for warehouse/shipping operations to do just that.

Yes. Absolutely "complaining". It's not at all possible for people to notice a pattern that indicates that what they said they were going to do was not, in fact, what they ended up doing.

Nope, totally just dudes bitching on the intarwebs, can't leave poor Palladium alone, so beset and put upon as they are.

I mean, they've dealt with us with such transparency and forthright communication, I don't know what I was thinking.

 Talizvar wrote:
Please let me know availability of the "destroids", I have some friends ready to mug me for "Battletech" miniatures... good excuse to do a meet at some point: Toronto is about an hour away for me.

1-2 expansion boxes of Tomahawks/Defenders, and 1 box of Spartans/Phalanx. The former depends on whether or not they ship the T/D kits my group is getting with the Daedalus Attack we snagged. None have been claimed yet, and yeah, I'm happy to meet once I've got figures in hand to hook a fellow Dakka member up.

Also, 7 VT boxes, 8 Battlepod boxes, 4 Command Pod boxes and 1 Artillery/Support Pod box.

Started an early swap shop thread with a link in my sig. Obviously it may be weeks or months (probably months) before I have product in hand, but I figured I'd get a head start on getting the word out.

 Spartan-Kun wrote:

I love the Hirst Arts stuff. It's not so much unwillingness to get my hands dirty as it is that I don't know how capable I'd be at that. If I thought I could do I would. Though with the knowledge that they aren't all that reliable...I may end up taking a chance with Hirst Arts anyway.

The Hirst stuff is really easy to do and relatively (for hobby stuff) economical. Just make sure to get yourself some good plaster, not Plaster of Paris kind of stuff.

 Jihadin wrote:
They mention expansions for Southern Cross?
Robotech masters?
Invid?

Yes. They have dropped offhand comments about work beginning on the later series, though nothing concrete has shown up, and they have a LOT of work to do on Wave Two of the Macross stuff, so who knows when that might even get underway.

At Gencon, people reported that they had mentioned doing another campaign, perhaps one that included both the second and third series together.

But for now, that's definitely getting ahead of things, and frankly, going to campaign before Wave Two delivers would probably be... ugly. I'm aware it's not uncommon for companies to have multiple KS's underway at the same time, but given the delays and communications issues with this one, I can't see spreading themselves even thinner being a good idea or going over well with the community.

 Jihadin wrote:
Now that be interesting. Boarding action. Can only see Veritech making the fight though unless its a ground Zentradi ship. Though you would have to gear it towards the "Z's" with barricades and what not. I'm pondering the same but making it RDF1 with Galactica landing bay

Edit

Is there going to be a dedicated thread column for Robotech?

Like This???


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Morgan Vening wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Same or close the same bases a SM use and a SM Termie use

Nope. Space Marine bases are 25mm. Smallest RRT base is 40mm. Largest in Wave 1 is the Glaug at 50mm. I think they said Monster and Glaug Eldare would be 60mm. It's unknown if the Zentradi Infantry will be smaller (because it's Palladium, and making crap up on the fly is their modus operandi), but I believe it was stated the smallest base is 40mm.


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 Spartan-Kun wrote:
Ok, there's some terrain that I wanna get from Creative Gamescapes (Spaceship x) and it should work great as the interior of a zentradi ship.

Be very careful when dealing with them. Their Kickstarter was a complete clusterfeth, and their EBay and online store have been terrible. It took 10 months past their initial 1 month fulfillment time, and several threats of involving the police, before I received my almost complete order (The unlocked ramps were unilaterally rescinded). They refused to comment, refused to answer PM, and left no other way of communicating with them (had to resort to some desperate measures to get enough info to give to the KC Fraud Unit). Their FB page hasn't been updated in over a year, and there are STILL people on the KS that haven't received their product, or received notification.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/670901595/creative-gamescapes-spaceship-x/comments

In addition, if you intend on using the sidewalls, the larger models (such as the regular Glaug), just won't fit. The squares are about 45mm wide, and the regular Glaug as mentioned earlier, is 50mm.

On the flip side, the product appears to be pretty damned good. Very solid. But I'm not sure it's worth the risk, unless you make sure to cover your ass with purchasing protections. For as much crap as I give PB (and I feel it's deserved), even their clusterfeth of a KS hasn't been as bad as that one was.

I think Zen Infantry will have 25-30mm bases....

 judgedoug wrote:
So is the new thing to complain about the order in which Palladium is shipping boxes. Which, the complaints are, of course, entirely based upon speculation.

Scraping the bottom of the barrel now, guys.


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Mine and Manchu's have shipped and people were asking about backer #'s in order to attempt to guess what order Palladium was shipping in.

I believe it's by backer # (as they've stated that), shipping what is easiest first (single pledges with little to no add ons, such as mine, and such as Manchu's), in order to get as much stuff processed as quickly as possible. That's basically how any warehouse/shipping operation would work. At least, it better, as I've written software for warehouse/shipping operations to do just that.

I agree. Blaming the victim is always scraping the bottom of the barrel in my book so you should probably stop. Also, you may be interested to find out that complaining about complaining is still complaining. Fun fact! Another fact is that we were given criteria and they may not be following only them. I'm in the US with almost as simple of an order as you can have (a blitzkrieg with two decals as the only add on) so that should get me out soon. If they were going alphabetically, I should be shipped in the first batch. My backerkit number indicates is they were going by that then I should have been shipped out and my backer number is even lower than yours so there is that as well. There is always a chance that they simply don't have extra decals and that those are in container 3 since they said they'll be able to ship out ANY one backer with that load so if it arrives and I don't get a shipping notice soon thereafter that would indicate that they're using other info. Like maybe who their forum mod doesn't like.. or who voted no... or who posted negative remarks about how the campaign was run. I'm not putting on the tinfoil hat just yet but if I don't get that shipping notice and people who are much down the backer food chain as determined by THEIR public criteria are getting them then they're using something else in addition.

 warboss wrote:
would indicate that they're using other info. Like maybe who their forum mod doesn't like.. or who voted no... or who posted negative remarks about how the campaign was run

 warboss wrote:
I'm not putting on the tinfoil hat just yet

Yes you very much are. You just did.

No, I disagree. I'm just getting it ready next to me. If they don't ship it out soon with container three then there is NO other choice but to say they're using additional criteria that they haven't stated. If you don't think Palladium is a vindictive viper's nest, you haven't been reading the reports of ex-employees for decades (some who left voluntarily and others who didn't). I personally don't take anything they say at face value with how they've flat out lied (either to us or to themselves) repeatedly over the past year and a half.

I think Manchu is in league with Palladium, AND the lizard people.


He might even be a Lizard person too...

 Cyporiean wrote:
I think Manchu is in league with Palladium, AND the lizard people.

I can honestly say I am not in league with Palladium. Not after it became clear, thanks to this KS fulfillment process, that they assassinated JFK and faked the moon landing.

I'm noting a deft avoidance of the lizard person matter, however...

Maybe that's why my V videos started disappearing......

Unwritten Rule Number Four of DakkaDakka: Lizard People are a complete hoax and certainly don't control all important political and financial institutions.

Seriously, however, the tone of this thread is and has been consistently terrible. Every time I start posting here, I feel driven away because I am actually still enthusiastic about the game and the miniatures. It's not all or nothing. As in, I am not a PB apologist simply because I am still on board and genuinely excited to be receiving some cool stuff, hopefully this week some time.

PB has made a mess out of their communication in the past and that is inarguable. But this thread is totally unbalanced. The fact that otherwise (presumably) sane posters are seriously considering that PB has engineered a conspiracy against them is a pretty startling reading on the old bat gak barometer.

 Manchu wrote:
Unwritten Rule Number Four of DakkaDakka: Lizard People are a complete hoax and certainly don't control all important political and financial institutions.

Seriously, however, the tone of this thread is and has been consistently terrible. Every time I start posting here, I feel driven away because I am actually still enthusiastic about the game and the miniatures. It's not all or nothing. As in, I am not a PB apologist simply because I am still on board and genuinely excited to be receiving some cool stuff, hopefully this week some time.

PB has made a mess out of their communication in the past and that is inarguable. But this thread is totally unbalanced. The fact that otherwise (presumably) sane posters are seriously considering that PB has engineered a conspiracy against them is a pretty startling reading on the old bat gak barometer.

Exactly, how I feel more often then not here, if your not for them, then you MUST be a PB Fan-Friend, Shill, or Lizard Man.

Frankly, even if I could be remotely consider a 'thorn' in their side, I don't think they're going to throw my box down a flight of stairs or anything.

But it seems pretty clear that when they said they were shipping by backer kit number, they were either mistaking that for the KS#, or have had to change that approach, and there are outstanding questions regarding how size of the order and location (other than US and EU) affect delivery priority.

Does it actually matter if I get my stuff in 2 weeks or 6? Not particularly. But when we've basically needed to swat them over the nose like a naughty puppy just to get a straight answer regarding a variety of topics, finding out that they're not doing what they've said they were going to do is kind endemic to the situation.

Look, if they said "hey guys, when we said we were going by Backer Kit? We were wrong, it's actually KS#, and btw, fulfillment will be in the order of USA, ROW, EU. And Battle Cry boxes will ship, then Showdowns, and then all larger orders, based on the above criteria", there'd be grumbling, but at least we'd understand the inconsistency.

Letting the inconsistency exist and not addressing it just comes across as more of their mix of inexperience/incompetence/trying to feed us what we want to hear while quietly ignoring that reality is something different/etc.

Credit where credit is due, the last few updates have been better, and if they'd been that up front with us all along, I think we could've avoided a lot of trouble and shenanigans, but it remains hard to take them at face value when something as simple as "what order things will be shipped in" is provably different from their previous statements with only a handful of data points.

Changes happen. That's a fact of business. But I'd rather be told the changes have been deemed necessary, not have to go Sherlock on this gak.

It is the eternal conundrum; it's a fairly small thing, why sweat it? Because it is a small thing, why can't they just be honest/up front? It makes even the small gak seem sketchy, and makes it all the harder to buy the bigger stuff doesn't also have caveats and asterisks aplenty.

I would chalk it up to trying to stay on guard for any further shenanigans by PB.

Go back and look at their history of product launch and "playing well with others", that is enough negativity for now.

We can all agree that the topic and product IS exciting to think about.

Is the product as perfect as described? No, but certainly "good enough" for what was spent.

The real issue was not managing expectation in a realistic way. They seem to be on the right track now, there just is an awful lot of water under the bridge.

 Manchu wrote:
Unwritten Rule Number Four of DakkaDakka: Lizard People are a complete hoax and certainly don't control all important political and financial institutions.

Seriously, however, the tone of this thread is and has been consistently terrible. Every time I start posting here, I feel driven away because I am actually still enthusiastic about the game and the miniatures. It's not all or nothing. As in, I am not a PB apologist simply because I am still on board and genuinely excited to be receiving some cool stuff, hopefully this week some time.

PB has made a mess out of their communication in the past and that is inarguable. But this thread is totally unbalanced. The fact that otherwise (presumably) sane posters are seriously considering that PB has engineered a conspiracy against them is a pretty startling reading on the old bat gak barometer.

And yet that idea is prevalent enough that PALLADIUM felt the need to address it in one of their updates. In any case, if I don't get shipped this week but container #3 arrives, what would you attribute that too then? I meet all their publicly posted criteria for early shipping. If container #3 comes in and they have (according to THEIR posts) everything they need, what would an analytical mind like yours come up with as the reasonable excuse? You'll have to excuse me if I don't assume the worst with palladium because ASSUMING THE ABSOLUTE WORST (short of outright fraud) has been the most accurate predictor time and time again with the progress of this KS. The absolute worst predictor has been taking what they say at face value.

Let's just get it straight for the record either (a) your stuff is shipped this week or (b) PB has it out for you personally. Is that what you're saying?

 Manchu wrote:
Let's just get it straight for the record either (a) your stuff is shipped this week or (b) PB has it out for you personally. Is that what you're saying?

I'm saying that if my stuff doesn't go out in the week after container #3 arrives despite me meeting every criteria they've given us for the order of shipping moreso than others who have posted they've gotten either the packages or shipment emails then they're using additional criteria.

 warboss wrote:
then they're using additional criteria

Do you or do you not mean "additional criteria" to include personal vendetta?

Is there a specific reason for citing container #3?

I went ahead and reread the update for gaks n' giggles, and it states thusly:

"That means that once container #3 gets here, there won’t be any single backer’s Wave One rewards that we can’t ship. We’ll just be limited by how much stock we have, but containers #4 and up should restock us just about as fast as we can ship out backer rewards. When container #5 or #6 comes in, we’ll have enough to ship out the last of the backers’ Wave One rewards. That should be just past the middle of October."

Now, I read that as container #3 is required to have every TYPE of item in stock to be able to fulfill orders ("there won’t be any SINGLE backer’s Wave One rewards that we can’t ship"), but up to container #5 or #6 meaning they'll be able to ship everything.

But who knows, I didn't go to college so maybe I'm not able to invent nuance as well as others.

 Manchu wrote:

 warboss wrote:
then they're using additional criteria

Do you or do you not mean "additional criteria" to include personal vendetta?

What other criteria would you instead suggest? You've been quick to shoot down that idea without suggesting any others. If I don't have a shipping notification in two weeks roughly, what else might cause the delay? I assume from your optimistic tone that you and JudgeDoug voted yes in the poll and I know Mike did... and you've all gotten your notifications. I didn't and I've publicly expressed my displeasure with the way this has been run both on KS and their forums. Do you consider it impossible that they'd take offense despite the history of Palladium being portrayed as vindictive?

I voted NO in the GenCon poll even though I knew I was going to GenCon. I have also made critical posts in this thread.

I don't know why I need to post alternatives to your theory that PB has it out for you personally in order for you to understand that your theory is off the deep end.

 warboss wrote:
I assume from your optimistic tone that you and JudgeDoug voted yes in the poll and I know Mike did... and you've all gotten your notifications. I didn't and I've publicly expressed my displeasure with the way this has been run both on KS and their forums. Do you consider it impossible that they'd take offense despite the history of Palladium being portrayed as vindictive?

I find the concept highly amusing that Wayne and a bunch of underpaid employees and volunteers who have the Herculean task of shipping over 5,000 rewards would even be bothered to attempt some sort of witch hunt to spite certain backers. They probably just don't even care and want the shipping over with as soon as possible.


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There's a huge difference between

being critical of Palladium's mistakes, of which there are certainly many;

and being critical of every decision Palladium has made out of some warped personal sense of duty.

Since I fall into the first category, however, I am obviously a Palladium fanboy and I'm being rewarded for my white knighting and that's why my pledge shipped!... not merely because I've got a fairly simple domestic UPS backer#26 Blitzkrieg pledge - or, whatever method was chosen to ship packages.

I'm betting NMI sat down for 1600 hours and made a list of the 5000+ backers and researched their internet presence and then rated them all from 1 to 5000+ based on how much he likes them and that's the order they're shipping in. FOR SERIOUS

So remind me, why is it you can't joke about Palladium anymore even after all the screw ups? We're just to remain tight lipped and grimace through it without making light of the situation?
And you can talk Mike, you jumped on me in the comments section for making one joke.

1600 hours to flag a dozen names from the forum that have been causing him trouble? Wow.. now you're the conspiracy theorist... either that or you have no clue how to CTRL F look up names in a database. FOR SERIOUS

Joyboozer wrote:
We're just to remain tight lipped and grimace through it without making light of the situation?

Seriously WTF are you talking about?

First, as I already posted -- it is not all or nothing. Second, what's the joke? Warboss has clarified he sincerely thinks it is possible that PB is conspiring to delay his shipment because of a personal vendetta against him.

Joyboozer wrote:
So remind me, why is it you can't joke about Palladium anymore even after all the screw ups? We're just to remain tight lipped and grimace through it without making light of the situation?
And you can talk Mike, you jumped on me in the comments section for making one joke.

That's a black-or-white logical fallacy; Manchu was earlier arguing against the "with Palladium or against Palladium" mentality.

 judgedoug wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:
So remind me, why is it you can't joke about Palladium anymore even after all the screw ups? We're just to remain tight lipped and grimace through it without making light of the situation?
And you can talk Mike, you jumped on me in the comments section for making one joke.

That's a black-or-white logical fallacy; Manchu was earlier arguing against the "with Palladium or against Palladium" mentality.

I was referring to where you quoted a comment I made that was obviously sarcasm last page. Why are the only two choices of hat in this campaign tin foil or arse?

Eh, don't worry about it Joy. I'm done with the thread for a while. Just like with after the vote, it isn't healthy to get frustrated so much about something that is supposed to be fun but PalladiumTM happens. We'll see if I get my notification over the next two weeks or so or whether the fact that being pretty much at the beginning of the alphabet, with a very simple pledge, extremely low backer and backerkit number, and a US address have no effect on whether I get my stuff further up in the queue as stated. I just want my dealings with Palladium to end so that I can write them off for another decade.

 warboss wrote:
it isn't healthy to get frustrated so much about something that is supposed to be fun

I completely agree. Having learned it the hard way with KS projects like this one and worse ones, I now ask myself whether I can handle "pledging and forgetting" before I click the pledge button. I wrote off RRT as "will happen when it happens" some time ago. Now that it is starting to happen, however, I am super excited.

Can't wait to paint some Brownies! -- if I can make it through assembly, haha.


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 Manchu wrote:
I voted NO in the GenCon poll even though I knew I was going to GenCon.

Also, I just fact-checked myself here and it turns out that I misremembered; I actually voted YES. I guess I was in a "just feth it" mood at the time.

Joyboozer wrote:
So remind me, why is it you can't joke about Palladium anymore even after all the screw ups? We're just to remain tight lipped and grimace through it without making light of the situation?
And you can talk Mike, you jumped on me in the comments section for making one joke.

Since I have no idea what you are referring to I will just say it may well have been just deserved or understood in a different context. This is the internet after all.


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The idea that PB would spend time making a list of have and have not's is plain ridiculous. If NMI was making the list I would likely be among the last ones. They simply don't have the time and effort to put into doing that much work. You are talking about people who took pictures of Geese as an update on their page as people who will take time to make an enemies list. Granted those who constantly and continuously say and look for grounds for lawsuits may well make it to some sort of list. We have all heard about how lawsuit prone PB is.

Random speculation as to what might have occurred accepted.

At least it was probably funnier than Lola, Rick, Jaymz and Jorel going at it.

Man, those guys need to grab a room and just get it out of their systems.

True enough.lol

 Forar wrote:
At least it was probably funnier than Lola, Rick, Jaymz and Jorel going at it.

Man, those guys need to grab a room and just get it out of their systems.

Cannot. Exalt. Harder.

Really guys it isn't that far fetched that a jilted egomaniac like NMI could happen across your paperwork and move it to the bottom of the stack.

Mike there have been others who have been far more vocal in their dislike of him than you. Your critisism is there but it is nowhere near as venomous as others.

And palladium has earned every negative comment in this thread, objective or subjective with their own actions past and present.

We kickstartered more argument than product.

I'm finally starting to get my money's worth from this kickstarter.

No tracking email yet, though.

 Swabby wrote:
And palladium has earned every negative comment in this thread, objective or subjective with their own actions past and present.

What has happened is, this thread has become a zone of super-concentrated negativity. Legitimate criticisms have mutated into bizarre hyperbole. This doesn't help inform folks reading the thread. It doesn't encourage PB to do a better job. It doesn't even let frustrated backers blow off steam, given in practice the result is driving blood pressure even further through the roof and squandering what enthusiasm remains despite PB's blunders. What we need instead of a zone of negativity is a zone of objectivity. Perspective rather than invective, gentlemen.

Latest murmur
Everyone who saw the blunder agreed it was the biggest and best blunder they'd ever seen, and blood pressure was through the roof!

 Manchu wrote:
Legitimate criticisms have mutated into bizarre hyperbole. This doesn't help inform folks reading the thread. It doesn't encourage PB to do a better job. It doesn't even let frustrated backers blow off steam, given in practice the result is driving blood pressure even further through the roof and squandering what enthusiasm remains despite PB's blunders. What we need instead of a zone of negativity is a zone of objectivity. Perspective rather than invective, gentlemen.

And other legitimate criticisms have been ignored.

Given that the resin stuff has absolutely no reason to go through China, and therefore there is no reason that it could not have been worked on at the same time as the 'Wave 1' plastics, why has PB said absolutely nada on the subject? Why are we waiting until 'Wave 2' for any of the resin product promised? If that had been worked on at the start, it is entirely possible that the majority of the resin would have been completed, delivered to PB, checked, shipped to backers, and received months ago (making it the de-facto 'Wave 1' and the current base box which is going out 'Wave 2'.)

Now I can understand PB maybe not wanting the KS exclusive special characters getting out there BEFORE the game is released, but there would have been nothing stopping them from keeping them back for the base box delivery for people that had that, and as the SDF-1 is not even a game piece I just can't understand why they could not have released that earlier.

Given that they released a swimming pool full of cash for this endevour, there should have been enough available to get at least some of the resin out alongside the first wave of plastic, who would not have liked a Rick hunter and Kyron in their boxes? And that would have allowed some characters to be used in the very first games. And as there is to be limited return on the KS/Con exclusives, it makes more sense to me to have done them first where it is reasonable to expect that they will be cheapest. Now, 280 days after they originally stated they expected delivery, the costs of manufacturing moulds for resin and casting the pieces will have gone up - and we have not heard that they have actually started doing anything yet.

I had previously said I would try and get a refund. If this gak continues, I might just go for it, but for the moment I am quite prepared to have my $145 of product for the $8 international shipping that they asked for. They would be better off giving me a refund - there are certain things I would pick up retail if I ever saw them in Britain, but if I get what I pledged for in this KS, I may not need anything from PB ever again. It was my memories of Robotech that got me into this KS but they have been forever soured by the way PB has handled the campaign from the moment it closed to now. (Funny thing is, I never would have guessed that Unicorn Farts tasted so sour. I wonder if they water them down and sell them to Harribo as Tangfastic flavouring?)

How does that line from the Street Fighter movie go, again? "That day was the most important day of your life. For me, it was Tuesday."

Suppose they drafted up a plan on how they were going to do things, posted that as an update, and then the shipping guys proceeded to do something completely different because the shipment lists exported in the wrong order. A pile of boxes get put together, a pile of boxes get shipped out to backers, and the list gets done, but it happens to be in the wrong order. If it's not a big enough deal to notice, why would they say anything about it in an update?

Conrad Turner, Not that I disagree with your statement with regards the resin components, but I don't recall the four character models (Roy/Rick/Khyron/Miriya) being resin. I know the promo Miriya was resin, but that was supposed to be different to the BC exclusives.

Doesn't change what you said when it comes to the SDF-1, the bases, the objective packs, or (maybe) the Super 1D's. As of the last information on the subject, Update 109 (24 Aug 2013), they didn't know if those were going to be metal, resin or plastic. Hopefully they've made their decision on that, or do quickly.

Hell, I'd not be surprised if when they do finally get Wave 2 done, backers get a "Umm... if you've got resin items, it'll be a little while longer" Update. While I do agree with Manchu that some of the claims made against PB stretch credibility (here, but especially on the KS), on the other hand, I can't stress how little I think of PB's capability, forward thinking, ability to manage expectations or learn from mistakes. For a "professional" company, they appear to be anything but.

I don't think as Conrad stated that the idea of legitimate concerns having been ignored can or should be applied to these forums. You can complain all day here on these forums and it is unlikely that PB will even hear a peep of it since they do not come here. It's like complaining about the beach and how clean it is to a Forest Ranger in Yosemite.

That being said, there is a difference between

1. Listening to and addressing concerns
2. Listening to and catering to people's every concern
3. Simply listening and remaining silent.

PB has chosen the third option most of the time to their detriment. The second option will not get them very far since most concerns range far and wide such as the whole mini vs model debate. The first option is the best but they have only recently started taking up that torch, and reluctantly at best. All three options can open one up to severe criticism regardless of the final decisions made.

Morgan Vening wrote:
I can't stress how little I think of PB's capability, forward thinking, ability to manage expectations or learn from mistakes. For a "professional" company, they appear to be anything but.

Yet interestingly they have the ability to scour every backer's entire internet history for comments related to Palladium and rate each and every backer so they ship in the order of Fanboy->Hater.



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 warboss wrote:
1600 hours to flag a dozen names from the forum that have been causing him trouble? Wow.. now you're the conspiracy theorist... either that or you have no clue how to CTRL F look up names in a database. FOR SERIOUS

Oh, come now, there's more than a dozen names who have been critical!

What database management software uses CTRL-F? MS Access?

I'm hitting CTRL-F over and over again on MS SQL Server Management Studio and nothing is happening. However, I whipped up a quick SQL query that NMI can use on their database. Alter table and column names to taste.

UPDATE BackersList SET ShippingOrder=IDENT_CURRENT('BackersList') WHERE BackerName='warboss'

should set you to be the last package shipped. Hope NMI isn't browsing these forums!! <.< >.>


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 Manchu wrote:

 Swabby wrote:
And palladium has earned every negative comment in this thread, objective or subjective with their own actions past and present.

What has happened is, this thread has become a zone of super-concentrated negativity.

I'd like to posit that it has proportionally also become a zone of super-concentrated hilarity.

Agreed!

You should see some of the ridiculous offers for people's pledges that some people have thrown about!

What are we up to now? $56 for Battlecry?


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I'll raise that to $60

Judgedoug, at best you are applying just as much hyperbole in your replies about the speculation as the speculators are.

Manchu, it is possible to be both negative towards palladium and still excited about the game. Really man, palladium has fostered this ire from the minute the kickstarter ended. Why blame the consumer for negativity when it is the seller that is floundering?

Let me go into the next phase of speculation:

1) "Proper" packing of the kits. If some items are missing is it because of "Wave 2" OR cargo container was not in and shipped anyway OR a mis-pack?
1a) I could not underscore more that if they pack correctly that is no small accomplishment. Even more so would be how they handle a complaint if something is missing.
2) Sprues: no short-shots, broken-off bits, warped pieces: if these are good, die design was excellent and manufacturing process was dialed in correctly.
3) It looks like we will be shipped the "add-ons" in full printed packaging, companies like GW tend to ship "package" deals in generic packages or in a large box: not cheaping out!
4) Overall condition of product: packaging was sufficient to protect product, printed covers not abraded or bashed about before packaged for shipment.
5) Outside of U.S.A. shipments: how are they being handled, how long a delay allowed for each "batch"? Interesting if they communicate their method.
6) Will they actually wait till all Wave1 kits shipped before retail or will it go in parallel when container 6 arrives?

They seem to be in a more forthcoming means of communication because product is made.
I hope they see fit to continue, it may help promote some forgiveness from a few of us bitter folks.

1) "Proper" packing of the kits. If some items are missing is it because of "Wave 2" OR cargo container was not in and shipped anyway OR a mis-pack?

They listed all that should be in Wave 1 so if you are missing something from that batch, they screwed up somewhere.

1a) I could not underscore more that if they pack correctly that is no small accomplishment. Even more so would be how they handle a complaint if something is missing.

Unfortunately they have never given a response to the "What if' something is messed up or missing. Nothing beyond we will take care of you, trust us.

2) Sprues: no short-shots, broken-off bits, warped pieces: if these are good, die design was excellent and manufacturing process was dialed in correctly.

3) It looks like we will be shipped the "add-ons" in full printed packaging, companies like GW tend to ship "package" deals in generic packages or in a large box: not cheaping out!

Good news or just plain easier for them? Likely that latter.

4) Overall condition of product: packaging was sufficient to protect product, printed covers not abraded or bashed about before packaged for shipment.

So far this seems to be the case. Time will tell as more packages arrive.

5) Outside of U.S.A. shipments: how are they being handled, how long a delay allowed for each "batch"? Interesting if they communicate their method.

This in my mind is a big problem, I think they are not 100% sure yet and so don't want to say anything. Understandable but that is not the right way to go.

6) Will they actually wait till all Wave1 kits shipped before retail or will it go in parallel when container 6 arrives?

They have said that all the pledges would go out first. Take that for what you will after GenCon though.

They really need to address the questions about non US shipping imo. Those folks have been left out in the cold waaay too long.

 Swabby wrote:
They really need to address the questions about non US shipping imo. Those folks have been left out in the cold waaay too long.

Agreed

I don't see why.

Plenty of people on the KS comments are totally down with them focusing on US packages first.

That many of those people have US locations listed in their profiles is surely just a coincidence.

Nope, no bias or self serving interests there.

:-/

 Swabby wrote:
Manchu, it is possible to be both negative towards palladium and still excited about the game. Really man, palladium has fostered this ire from the minute the kickstarter ended.

In truth, you are conflating two distinct motives for criticizing PB: (a) excitement about the product/game and (b) excitement about PB's blunders. Keep in mind, there is not a single person contributing to this thread regularly who has not criticized PB about something at some point. When things first started to go sour, basically everyone was still making criticisms because they wanted a better product. Over time, it has become about hatred of PB regardless of the game. That's the toxic, concentrated negativity I am talking about.

 Forar wrote:
I don't see why.
Plenty of people on the KS comments are totally down with them focusing on US packages first.
That many of those people have US locations listed in their profiles is surely just a coincidence.
Nope, no bias or self serving interests there.:-/

Oh, relax.
Made by Americans for Americans!!! (with some Chinese elbow grease)
Many of us are allies so we will not be forgotten.
I am sure if we made a pie chart of contributions by country the USA would be the main one, it is only fair.
Our Canadian shipment will make a fine Christmas present.

Christmas?

Optimist.

Also note, that was mostly sarcastic/tongue in cheek.

But seriously, look back over the last year. "Why are you worried about Gencon?" people have said. "You'll get your stuff a few weeks later!"
"Why worry about it? They said they'd deliver in October!"

I get the feeling the same people will be telling me to settle down for the same reason for at least the next month, maybe two. I mean, is it not justified to be a bit frustrated to hear "yay, shipping has started!" a month and a half ago, only to have to work out that, oops, only core boxes. And then it's actually started again! Oops, only in the US and only Battle Cry boxes (note: they never actually said it would be just BCs, and Wayne specifically noted on their forums that size wouldn't necessarily hold up ones order).

I mean, I know you're a reasonable dude, Talizvar, but the mix of needing to keep reading between the lines and apparently getting shuffled back is killing what little excitement I'd been able to recapture.

Don't worry! Wave one will only take like another 2-3 months to arrive! Joy!

eh. yay.[/apathy]

 Manchu wrote:
Over time, it has become about hatred of PB regardless of the game. That's the toxic, concentrated negativity I am talking about.

I was already there before the kickstarter even happened. They have some serious issues as a company that I am not sure will ever get resolved. It is made worse by the behavior of the sycophants (NMI and some of the MA crew especially) that surround them. They really do act like smug asses that are ruling over their own little hermit kingdom on the net. That helps foster the toxicity you are decrying here.

I want the game way more than I want to deal with this sham of a company.

Forar -- do you plan to play RRT at all? or use the miniatures for some other ruleset? or just sell everything off?

Alpharius wrote:Agreed!
You should see some of the ridiculous offers for people's pledges that some people have thrown about!

Swabby wrote:Judgedoug, at best you are applying just as much hyperbole in your replies about the speculation as the speculators are.

Merely trying to approach an equivalency of comedy to match the level of absurdist vitriol and paranoid delusions that coat the majority of posts.

Unfortunately, my posts are facetious, while others are entirely serious.



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 Swabby wrote:

I was already there before the kickstarter even happened. They have some serious issues as a company that I am not sure will ever get resolved. It is made worse by the behavior of the sycophants (NMI and some of the MA crew especially) that surround them. They really do act like smug asses that are ruling over their own little hermit kingdom on the net. That helps foster the toxicity you are decrying here.

Oddly enough, while I absolutely agree with your assessment of NMI and the overall tone of PB's forums, I also agree with a lot of their bans - there are definitely some users who have specifically gone to their forums and specifically trolled said forums to such a degree that any other moderated forum would have also suspended or banned those accounts. It's just several times more egregious in people's minds because Palladium is associated with it.

 Manchu wrote:
Forar -- do you plan to play RRT at all? or use the miniatures for some other ruleset? or just sell everything off?

My friends and I certainly do plan to play. I'm concerned about the quality of the rules, but of the 8 BC boxes coming to my group, 3 are going to one friend, 2 are going to another, and I've got the other 3.

Even with plans to sell off roughly half of my Wave One figures, we'll still have something to the tune of 400+ figures (from Wave 1 alone; our total order is over 800 figures between the two waves) to get on tables in the coming months. Err, whenever we get around to building them, at least. My other friends are exponentially better builders and painters than I am, but I try not to embarrass myself too badly.

Failing that, my friends and I might just have to acquire another rules set, modify the base rules or others, or scratch build our own. One guy is making a Star Wars miniatures game that uses the old SW figures with the X-Wing dice, so it wouldn't be our first attempt, but I'm rather hoping we don't literally need to build both the figures AND the game itself.

Oh, and in regards to shipping based on size; from Wayne himself on the PB forums:

It isn't quite correct to say that the bigger the pledge, the later it will ship. What I said in an update was that we'd go roughly in order of BackerKit ID number, but that it would largely depend on what we had in our warehouse to ship

In any case, I bet there is still an opportunity to emphasize enthusiasm and concerns about the product. PB is a really problematic company, no one doubts that. But I do think there is a lot to be excited about with this product. I have spent hours with the photos of the rulebook -- I can only imagine I will spend many more with the actual thing!


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 Forar wrote:
My other friends are exponentially better builders and painters than I am, but I try not to embarrass myself too badly.

Ha I know how that feels! I am worried that the fiddly sprues will be a major obstacle for me given I am already lazy about assembly. I cannot decide whether to try assembling VFs or Battlepods first.

 Forar wrote:

Failing that, my friends and I might just have to acquire another rules set, modify the base rules or others, or scratch build our own.

My initial intention upon seeing the beta rules was disgust and the resolution to just use Alpha Strike as it's fast and easy and quick.

 Forar wrote:
One guy is making a Star Wars miniatures game that uses the old SW figures with the X-Wing dice

I have been excited by this prospect literally since warboss proposed it on page one of this thread. TBH all this time later I am actually now more excited about trying RRT when at first I had no plans to even try to learn the rules.

Though, between Xia, Shadows of Brimstone, X-Com, C'thulhu Wars, a half dozen RPGs people want to run and literally dozens of older favourites (so... much... X-Wing...), RRT is going to need to stand out to hit the table regularly, otherwise it's going to become an exercise in hundreds of hours in assembly and painting time to hit the table a few times a year, in which case I'll probably just sell everything I haven't assembled and use their stuff when we do decide to get a game going.

Gaming days are a precious commodity, and RRT's got a hill to climb. Ongoing issues and shenanigans aren't doing it any favours in that regard.

 judgedoug wrote:
just use Alpha Strike

I still want to try this!

For the record, I am excited about the product and I really do look forward to playing. Enough so that I will be parting out a 20k point eldar army and two other smaller 40k armies to get more RRT on the aftermarket. This will be my primary minis game.

That said it will not be because the ruleset is solid, or the company making it. Only because I love the source material more than any other fiction.

 Mike1975 wrote:
What are we up to now? $56 for Battlecry?
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I wish... although honestly I'm not looking to gouge someone, I'm simply looking for people to break-even + shipping. So far though even though people want to sell they are expectant they'll get 300% markup apparently.


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 Manchu wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
just use Alpha Strike

I still want to try this!

I will third that!

 judgedoug wrote:

Morgan Vening wrote:
I can't stress how little I think of PB's capability, forward thinking, ability to manage expectations or learn from mistakes. For a "professional" company, they appear to be anything but.

Yet interestingly they have the ability to scour every backer's entire internet history for comments related to Palladium and rate each and every backer so they ship in the order of Fanboy->Hater.

How about, if you're going to quote a line, copy the whole line, and reply to the whole thing? And not attempt to quote out of context?

While I do agree with Manchu that some of the claims made against PB stretch credibility (here, but especially on the KS), on the other hand, I can't stress how little I think of PB's capability, forward thinking, ability to manage expectations or learn from mistakes. For a "professional" company, they appear to be anything but.

I count the allegation that PB would intentionally delay packages to people who have been problematic, to be one of those things that "stretch credibility". In the past, I've often given the possibility that PB are intentionally deceitful or incompetent/ignorant. I only used the former because it meant the possibility the actually KNEW what they were doing. But I've come to feel it was the latter, and they've just been fumbling backwards, until they finally stumbled across their first finish line.

You want to mock people for feeling PB are a vindictive, sorry, pathetic bunch (which I agree with), who'll go to great lengths to screw over people that have been mean to them (NOT something I agree with)? Quote the correct person.

 Dark Severance wrote:

 Mike1975 wrote:
What are we up to now? $56 for Battlecry?
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I wish... although honestly I'm not looking to gouge someone, I'm simply looking for people to break-even + shipping. So far though even though people want to sell they are expectant they'll get 300% markup apparently.


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 Manchu wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
just use Alpha Strike

I still want to try this!

I will third that!

If you had caught me a few months ago. I might have bought another BC. Right now I have CAV and the soon to be Heavy Gear KS on the plate.

 Dark Severance wrote:
I wish... although honestly I'm not looking to gouge someone, I'm simply looking for people to break-even + shipping. So far though even though people want to sell they are expectant they'll get 300% markup apparently.

Luckily, based on the massive cut a BC was off MSRP, if there's interest out there, it'll be possible to sell at a profit without gouging people.

I'm likely aiming around 30-40% off MSRP, with the caveat that if demand is sizable, perhaps that'll go up a bit and still have room to be well below PB's shop prices, and even decent online/retail shop prices.

But having personally tossed them a big chunk of cash over a year and a half ago, yeah, recouping some costs is also something of a priority.

That said, I've always planned on moving at least some figures. In hindsight, I wish we'd stuck around 4-6 boxes instead of 8. Would it have alleviated all my concerns? No, but it'd be those hundreds less floating out there apparently in the aether.

 Forar wrote:
I'm likely aiming around 30-40% off MSRP, with the caveat that if demand is sizable, perhaps that'll go up a bit and still have room to be well below PB's shop prices, and even decent online/retail shop prices.

Yeah that isn't too bad, unfortunately you are in Canada, which I just got back from there a couple weeks ago for work. Has someone broken down the costs of a Battle Cry pledge on what the MSRP for it is?

Someone broke down the BC costs in retail a while back. I think it was in the $500 range.

That was Morgan and I. Others ran some numbers as well, but we went over it with a fine toothed comb ages ago. It required some estimating based on PB's own changing numbers, and I'm not sure we revisited it since the ~20% bump up in MSRP, but yeah, $500-600 sounds about right.

Also keep in mind that some of the costs may be significantly low balled, in that things like Rick and Roy won't be available at retail, so $10-15 for them might be significantly lower than people pay for them, at least initially, assuming the market doesn't get flooded.

Then take that, and see some online shops and even local stores often sell around 25-30% off or better (MM, CSI, etc). Dropping to 40% off when we paid maybe 20-25% still leaves some margin to recoup costs and still undercut decent retail/online prices.

But, and this is a big BUTT, that presumes that there's sufficient demand to the supply. Those numbers might go right out the window if the supply floods (huge piles end up on the secondary market) or the demand is negligible, or both.

But even then, man, if people won't pay $10-15 for a box that shops are trying to sell for $25+, we're going to see this thing crash and die rather swiftly.

Main Box $100
Destroids $33 x2
Valk Wing $37 x2
Battlepods $37 x2
Zen Command Pack $37 x2
Artillery Pods $37
Gnerls $25?
MPA $25?
Ghosts $20?
FPA $33?
Lancers $20?

Keep in mind that they have been sending entire kits out and no partials so the Gnerls come 3 but each kit will likely have 6 so that could be a bonus. Same with the rest. We don't know. That's all wave 2 and we don't have any info on them yet.

Right there that estimate is $528

 Forar wrote:
I mean, I know you're a reasonable dude, Talizvar, but the mix of needing to keep reading between the lines and apparently getting shuffled back is killing what little excitement I'd been able to recapture.

You are better off than me.
How I was raised I cannot allow myself to get excited because quoting a game "Hope is a path that leads to disappointment." I can only allow excitement when the darn thing is in front of me and is mine.
Until then, I look for whatever means at my disposal to make the wanted thing happen so that mythical moment happens.
(Reasonable? me? If I was I would have waited till product hit shelves, I knew PB history far better than most.)

I was kinda not kidding about setting aside time to make sure the control freak in me could go down to Detroit and manage their packing efforts to ensure no screw-ups.
Problem is I am emotional enough about it to not want to reward them for being cheap (1.4 million!!!).
I audit suppliers and evaluate their systems for "business risk" so it would be an actual value added thing for PB.
I will not brag on most things but some 20 odd years of this makes me ok at what I do.

Seeing this Kickstarter is like folding a map wrong in front of me, I understand too well the challenges faced and the steps that could have been done to avoid some of the pain: I hate waste.
Too much unnecessary kicks in the teeth to PB's PR and too many hopes and dreams without enough planning and contingencies, risk assessment, make a bloody flow chart of what to do if things go south.

Getting preachy again, will stop here.

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 Mike1975 wrote:
What are we up to now? $56 for Battlecry?
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I'll raise that to $60

I wish... although honestly I'm not looking to gouge someone, I'm simply looking for people to break-even + shipping. So far though even though people want to sell they are expectant they'll get 300% markup apparently.

I sold mine at cost months ago.

 Mike1975 wrote:
Keep in mind that they have been sending entire kits out and no partials so the Gnerls come 3 but each kit will likely have 6 so that could be a bonus.

A Gnerl kit of 3 is no less sensible than a VT kit of 2; both represent a support card worth of mecha.

But yeah, the breakdown rapidly gets up there, I have doubts the Ghosts and Lancers will only be $20, and then you add in the 4 LE figures and $600'ish MSRP (or equivalent) seems about right.

So $400'ish at retail (after a 25-33% or so cut off MSRP at some of the online shops). Paying $130-170 for $400 or so in product leaves some pretty solid margins.

 Forar wrote:

 Mike1975 wrote:
Keep in mind that they have been sending entire kits out and no partials so the Gnerls come 3 but each kit will likely have 6 so that could be a bonus.

A Gnerl kit of 3 is no less sensible than a VT kit of 2; both represent a support card worth of mecha.

But yeah, the breakdown rapidly gets up there, I have doubts the Ghosts and Lancers will only be $20, and then you add in the 4 LE figures and $600'ish MSRP (or equivalent) seems about right.

So $400'ish at retail (after a 25-33% or so cut off MSRP at some of the online shops). Paying $130-170 for $400 or so in product leaves some pretty solid margins.

Well, if you think about it a VT add-on pack comes with a squad of 2 units for the game BUT 7 figures if you count the extra Battloid and then 3 Sprues of whatever it was. If they keep the packages the same size that would mean 2 sprues of 3 Gnerls or 3 sprues of 2 for the same package. For shipping purposes and efficiency it makes sense to package all the add-ons the same way.

Then you have the Lancer and Ghosts, one sprue would be 2-3 minis. So if you have 2 sprues to a box......

At least that is the logic that makes that comes to mind.

.... a VT add on pack comes with 6 figures, period. The core box only comes with 6 Battloids because there are 5 sprues with a F and G on them, and then 3 sprues with 2 B's on them. Because the Battloid sprue is x 2, there's no way to just send 5 of them.

Assuming 3 Gnerls fit on a single sprue, shipping them as a cluster of 3 makes sense. If they fit 2 to a sprue, then yes, 6 makes sense.

Again, there's a pretty clear pattern of one box being 1 support card worth of things. 2 VTs. 6 Pods. Command box. The main place this falls down with Wave One is the Artillery, which are in a cluster of 4 despite being 6 to a 'full squad card'.

Hell, by that logic, they might ship them in boxes of 4, and maybe we'll get an extra.

 Forar wrote:
.... a VT add on pack comes with 6 figures, period. The core box only comes with 6 Battloids because there are 5 sprues with a F and G on them, and then 3 sprues with 2 B's on them. Because the Battloid sprue is x 2, there's no way to just send 5 of them.

Assuming 3 Gnerls fit on a single sprue, shipping them as a cluster of 3 makes sense. If they fit 2 to a sprue, then yes, 6 makes sense.

Again, there's a pretty clear pattern of one box being 1 support card worth of things. 2 VTs. 6 Pods. Command box. The main place this falls down with Wave One is the Artillery, which are in a cluster of 4 despite being 6 to a 'full squad card'.

Hell, by that logic, they might ship them in boxes of 4, and maybe we'll get an extra.

We might, I don't see the packaging changing at all from what we have. Also the Malcontent Artillery Squadron has 4 Artillery Pods in it. They are designing the add-ons by the # of sprues per box.

O.o

(edit: my numbers are wrong here, so I'm fixing them, though the general idea was right)

If I'm not mistaken, there are 3 types of sprue. A Fighter sprue, a Guardian sprue, with 1 of each, and a Battloid sprue, with 2 of them on it.

A core box has 5 VTs; 5 each of the Fighter & Guardian Sprues, 3 Battloid Sprues, because you can't get 5 using pairs. 13 sprues total.

A VT Kit should have 2 each of the Fighter and Guardian sprues, and 1 Battloid Sprue. 2 of each model. 5 sprues total.

Edit: I should've quoted you. Are you on board with the VT sprue setup, or do I need to break out MS Paint? :-P

Edit 2: the artillery pods are a unique position; 4 of them is 2 'support' cards worth, and 2 boxes gives you 8; a full squad of 6 and 2 more as a support card worth.

4 Gnerls doesn't work so well. You need 3 for a support or 6 for a full card, so having 8 is kind of useless. It's possible the sprues might simply be 1 gnerl per, so having 3 in a box fits the game math better.

VT Box
2 Battloid Sprues
2 Fighter Sprues
2 Guardian Sprues

Regults
2 Regult Sprues

Destroids
2 Destroid Sprues

Command Box
2 Sprues

Artillery Box
2 Sprues

So maybe 2 box sizes. An extra big one for the VT's?

Edit: wait a minute, let me go check something...

Gnerls if they stay 2 piece could likely be 3 to a sprue with some missiles thrown in.

Lancers are likely 2 to a sprue due to parts.

Ghosts are harder to guess at. Maybe 2 on a smaller sprue.


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Correction Arty Pods are 1 per sprue


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http://www.crittohit.com/imagestore/articles/5651/robotech-rpg-tactics-artillery-battlepod-sprue2.jpg

Here we go;

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rrpgt/robotech-rpg-tacticstm/posts/899716

Looks like Fighters come 1 to a Sprue, Guardians come 1 to a Sprue, but Battloids are 2 to a sprue.

So a VT expansion will have 5 sprues; 2 Fighter Sprues, 2 Guardian Sprues, 1 Battloid Sprue.


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Huh, so they are. Artillery boxes with 4 of them are going to be sizable, but then I suppose 5 sprues in a VT box will be a pretty decent size as well.

So add-ons having the same sized box may be out unless VT's are packed in tight and the Destroids and other packed as to not bounce around

I'd always assumed they'd have different sized boxes. A destroid box with 2 sprues for 1.5 inch tall figures will very likely be a different size than a box containing 4 sprues for 4 figures in the 3 inch+ range with a ton of options on it.

Consistency of packaging is nice at times, but it'd probably be a waste here.

Then again, I don't play many other miniatures games, but Wyrd doesn't really seem to give a gak about it. Some boxes are bigger than others, that's just how it is.

So price and # of sprues has no relation and the darn Command packs are really expensive per mini


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It'll be interesting to see if the Gnerls come 2 per sprue if they will sell them as a full squadron or not. If they come 3 per sprue then no problem.


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One Glaug right now costs as much as 2 battlepods, same with the scout pod.


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We'll need optional rules for the Recovery Pod so that they are not simply put in a drawer to sit. I always told them the ability on those was not worth it most of the time.

We've always known that about the pricing. The Command pack has always been 3 figures for the same price as 6, compared to the VTs/BPs. What do you think I was referencing when I kept pointing out that the figures cost "$6-12 each MSRP?" There's your $12/figure box right there!

3 per sprue for Gnerls makes the most sense if they can swing it, or 1 per. 2 per just makes a mess of their squadron sizes until one buys 3 boxes for 2 full squads.

*shrug* If after something like 2 years of testing and design the Recovery pods still suck, that's on them. And you, I guess. Go forth, young man. Fix the game! Do eeeet!

I'll only have 2 to build myself, and if I can't find a use for even 1-2 when I build Zentraedi forces, oh well.

 Mike1975 wrote:
VT Box - 2 Battloid Sprues, 2 Fighter Sprues, 2 Guardian Sprues

Regults - 2 Regult Sprues

Destroids - 2 Destroid Sprues

Command Box - 2 Sprues

Artillery Box - 2 Sprues

So maybe 2 box sizes. An extra big one for the VT's?

Except they're already all over the place. Valk box is 5 sprues (Batteloid are two per). Artillery Box is 4 sprues. I'm taking a wild guess, but I'd wager the MPA/FPA are going to be three sprues per box (one sprue per model, to account for the experimentals). Doesn't mean the external box size has to change, as long as it can fit what's needed.

EDIT: You and Forar seemed to figure most of that out in the time it took me to write it up and check my facts. Damn my slow typey fingers!

Hell, looking at some of the sprue pictures, I'm not even sure the frame size (the external boundry of the sprue) is consistant. It may just be camera perspective, but the Valk Fighter sprue looks significantly smaller than the Valk G sprue, which looks smaller than the paired Valk B sprue.

The only use the Recovery Pod has is to extend the range of the globe around a Glaug from 8 to 12 inches. While this can be useful, it seems costly at 10 points. I did offer a few alternatives.

Well, boxes are starting to land in people's hands. How goes the FAQ/Errata/Advanced Rules with PB?

once people have game in hand the strategy sessions can begin.....


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 Forar wrote:
Well, boxes are starting to land in people's hands. How goes the FAQ/Errata/Advanced Rules with PB?

They have it all, I've been trying to get them to have a conference call to have it approved this week or the next at the latest.

Sprue & Decal Pics

So it just came as the main box and a bag of sprues?

That's what is being reported on the KS comments as well.

Yep.

The bag of sprues also had bases, cards, and extra decals.

Interesting, I wonder if all the extra's were also the same exact cards and all or if there are cards in the extras that are not in the main box? Maybe add-on boxes are made to come with cards for each of the squadron or squads?

Looks like they're using at least three different sizes of frame (the three Veri sprues, but also Battlepod/Glaug and Recovery/Artillery). Means boxing them for retail either requires different sized boxes, box specific packing material, or a lot of rattling.

I hope a lot of rattling is not one of the options.....

 Mike1975 wrote:
Interesting, I wonder if all the extra's were also the same exact cards and all or if there are cards in the extras that are not in the main box? Maybe add-on boxes are made to come with cards for each of the squadron or squads?

Depends. Given that there are three models (Spartan/Phalanx/Zentradi Arthurs) in the BCUpgrade that aren't in the box, there'd have to be at least those (unless they're providing cards for units you don't get in the First Contacts too).

Well, Manchu, I'm looking forward to hearing your opinion on these figures once you have time to start trimming and building/painting them up.

 Forar wrote:
Well, Manchu, I'm looking forward to hearing your opinion on these figures once you have time to start trimming and building/painting them up.

I will try to build a battle pod tonight.

Did it also come with assembly instructions?

Yes, there is a glossy one sheet for each model I believe. Will be most useful (necessary), I reckon.

The Glossy one sheet is where the actual units stats are. What I mean is that maybe some of the stuff like Artillery Pods that come in the Battlecry BUT not in the main box may have separate cards. IE the main box does not come with cards for all the units and squadrons in it. So you'd only get the cards for something like the Jotun when you purchase the Jotun Add-On. I had not thought of that but it would make sense.

I'm not talking about the unit cards; there is a glossy page of assembly directions as well.

ahh...10-4

What's the deal with the cards? Are they laminated and you're supposed to write on them and it rubs off? i tried reading in the comments but it was after the comment section went full slow.
I'm also ashamed to admit jorels " you are a daily plug" comment made me laugh. So spiteful.

Just got my shipment, today. It is indeed a cardboard box containing the big, square game box, and a large plastic bag stuffed with sprues, cards and paper.

Impressions as I open it up:

No shrink-wrap on the game box. No organization of the contents inside. It appears that the components comprising the game are just dumped into the box. It's a mess. Lots of tangled sprues. Looks like the Zent legs like to wedge into each other, so most of the tangled sprues are grey. Already popped something off a sprue trying to gently separate two tangled ones. There is one bag in the game box that appears to have two little sprues in it. None of the others are bagged, just dumped in, like I mentioned. The bagged models appear to be Guardian Mode VFs.

Seeing these up close is kind of drag. The details are soft. The parts breakdowns are just insane. These are not for a "get it to the table" wargame crowd. These are tiny novelty model kits. There's a grainy texture to the plastic. That's odd. Wonder how that'll paint up. Might make quick and dirty washes a good technique- or a tragic mess. Interesting. The injection/connection points on the pieces are large. Some of the connections are larger than the bits they support, by a weird margin. Almost looks like a photoshop parody of fiddly models kits. I've been working with some Malifaux plastics lately, so these look like throwbacks to the nineties or something. Not terrible, but nowhere near the state of the art for the industry.

Whatever. I don't know what I was expecting, at this point. I'll go through everything properly when I get back from my studio in a few hours. At the moment, though? It looks like junk. Poorly made. Poorly packaged. There. I said it. It looks cheap. Not like a contemporary retail product, at all.

Somehow, I had no trouble handling the contents of my box without breaking pieces off. And I have never heard the word "dumped" to describe sprues in a box before. As for quality, anyone who has seen the numerous pictures of sprues knows what to expect and has either made their peace with it or not. To my mind, the box contains no surprises.

Is part of the problem the oversized box? Surely you choose a box that correctly fits everything so stuff can't move around?

Well, Wormwoode has 6 posts to their name, so perhaps an infrequent lurker?

I imagine a lot of people are going to appear out of the woodworke in the coming weeks to speak up on topics 'us regulars' thought long dead.

Hell, the "ummm, why can't I make any combination of Tomahawks and Defenders?" topic keeps coming up, and that's been 'resolved' (within the regulars, not by PB explicitly) for over a year now. There are people confused by their "missing pieces" (Rick, Roy, Khyron... see the pattern forming here?) and "Wave one/two" was declared around 9 months ago.

This is the downside to those who 'just forget about projects and wait for them to show up'. When they do show up, those unengaged people also don't have context/history as to why they're getting what they got available.

Not that this is specific to WW himself, just noting that it's already becoming 'a thing'.

I received my box today too, everything looks in good shape. No packaging inside the game box, but no problems with sprues being tangled either. The game box and extra baggy of sprues were well packed into the shipping container, with plenty of packing paper to dampen down any shifting. On the other hand, Livonia MI to St. Louis MO isn't exactly an epic journey.

Now that I've got my stuff, I'd like go back to the whole glue discussion for a moment, if I may. What were the thoughts on using Testors Model Master cement?

From BGG;

Just got mine, too -- did everyone else's come the same way: main box unsealed with the spruces just thrown in every which way? It's a little disappointing ...

It may not be an issue for many people, but I know my first thought was "wow, that's an awfully big box compared to what is contained within... I hope things don't jostle around too much in there while in transit. That heavy book landing repeatedly on those sprues could be an issue..."

Maybe I'm just used to Wyrd's plastics, which are generally pretty firmly in place with some foam or something in closely held boxes.

Hopefully it's not an issue.

 Manchu wrote:
Somehow, I had no trouble handling the contents of my box without breaking pieces off. And I have never heard the word "dumped" to describe sprues in a box before. As for quality, anyone who has seen the numerous pictures of sprues knows what to expect and has either made their peace with it or not. To my mind, the box contains no surprises.

Perhaps the difference in packagers and lack of QA on the packing?

My God, people are actually complaining about how the sprues are put in the box. It's really hopeless.

 Manchu wrote:
My God, people are actually complaining about how the sprues are put in the box. It's really hopeless.

Its great that yours came in perfect condition, and I hope that mind does too, but if someone's stuff is coming tangled and broken.. how is that not a legitimate complaint?

 Cyporiean wrote:
tangled and broken

This is exactly how bull gak starts. "Tangled" whatever that means is not the same thing as broken. No one has complained of a broken sprue. A piece coming off the sprue in the box also does not make a broken sprue.

 Manchu wrote:

 Cyporiean wrote:
tangled and broken

This is exactly how bull gak starts. "Tangled" whatever that means is not the same thing as broken. No one has complained of a broken sprue. A piece coming off the sprue in the box also does not make a broken sprue.

Okay, Tangled and with random pieces preremoved from the sprue, possibly getting mixed up.

This is a good thing?

 Cyporiean wrote:

 Manchu wrote:

 Cyporiean wrote:
tangled and broken

This is exactly how bull gak starts. "Tangled" whatever that means is not the same thing as broken. No one has complained of a broken sprue. A piece coming off the sprue in the box also does not make a broken sprue.

Okay, Tangled and with random pieces preremoved from the sprue, possibly getting mixed up.

This is a good thing?

Do not have a bit box for 40K?

We don't have all that many datapoints to draw from, but considering they're going to be shipping somewhere around 6,500 of these things out to backers alone, now would be kind of a good time to recognize if "gee, maybe we picked a box an inch or two too tall" is an issue.

I mean, people have postulated that maybe 'all that extra space' was to allow them to fit the baggies into the Core box for Battle Cry's to save space, but apparently that's not happening? So maybe they underestimated how much space said baggy would take up? Or found that it was just too finicky/time consuming to bother with and went with larger boxes instead?

 Jihadin wrote:
Do not have a bit box for 40K?

I have a bits box for many games.


I however do not just remove every bit from the sprues of a new gundam kit, toss them into a box, and then attempt to assemble the damn thing.

 Jihadin wrote:
Do not have a bit box for 40K?

Not everyone interested in this game plays 40k?

Keep in mind, this has been very vocally aimed at their RPG crowd, which will only share an overlap in the Venn Diagram with miniatures gamers.

 Cyporiean wrote:
random pieces preremoved from the sprue, possibly getting mixed up

In all seriousness, mixed up with what? For whom is this a crisis? Someone who has never bought a plastic kit before?

 Forar wrote:
Keep in mind, this has been very vocally aimed at their RPG crowd

There is NOTHING that can be done about someone who opens this box feeling overwhelmed if they have never had anything to do with miniatures gaming hobby before. Those people should have held out for RoboTech clix.

Meanwhile, here's an actual (if minor) issue: the regult torso pieces don't fit together very well. The "waist" of the front half has a lip that hit the inside base of the back half. The back half can be snapped into the front but that seems to somewhat misalign the indents for the legs. It probably needs to be cut, making a fiddly model even fiddlier.

 Forar wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Do not have a bit box for 40K?

Not everyone interested in this game plays 40k?

Keep in mind, this has been very vocally aimed at their RPG crowd, which will only share an overlap in the Venn Diagram with miniatures gamers.

LOL Oh My

I have bits from Battletech still
Containers of Bolt Action
Multiple sprues of various models in a plastic container
40K
Fantasy Warhammer
Also 30mm WWII fighters for a Air War game
You name it I probably have bits or sprues from it.

All the images on Google can assist someone slapping a piece on a model. Its not a BIG issue

 Jihadin wrote:

 Forar wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Do not have a bit box for 40K?

Not everyone interested in this game plays 40k?

Keep in mind, this has been very vocally aimed at their RPG crowd, which will only share an overlap in the Venn Diagram with miniatures gamers.

LOL Oh My

I have bits from Battletech still
Containers of Bolt Action
Multiple sprues of various models in a plastic container
40K
Fantasy Warhammer
Also 30mm WWII fighters for a Air War game
You name it I probably have bits or sprues from it.

All the images on Google can assist someone slapping a piece on a model. Its not a BIG issue

I bow down to your gamer peen, and will offer no further complaints.

*shrug*

I'm not saying "HOUSTON WE HAVE A PROBLEM" and pulling out my hair.

But 'user friendliness to people new to miniatures' is something that has been brought up dozens of times since the campaign started.

Just because you or I don't see it as a problem doesn't mean there won't be issues for some folks, and while I recognize that they shouldn't have to cater to the utter lowest common denominator, "how much space is left in the box" seems like a reasonable consideration.

Doubly so given that the backer boxes aren't shrink wrapped.

Anyway, meh, if people don't think it'll be an issue, awesome. You officially have more faith in humanity and shipping services than I do. :-P

My book and cards were on the bottom. Sprues on top
nothing tangled or broken
though I did pop a part off as I was looking at the sprues
connection points are very very small which I like
tons of bits and options
posting from my phone so pardon the broken sentences
overall pretty happy so far
finishing up a bolt action polish army but may assemble some tonight


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Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe any if the ks I backed had shrink wrapped boxes
dreadball
deadzone
sedition wars
Boss monster gold
Martian front (no game box at all)
Etc

Is shrink wrapping a valid complaint? It also didn't come with busty naked ladies damn you to hell palladium

 Forar wrote:
'user friendliness to people new to miniatures'

This exists NOWHERE in the industry. And that is why sites like Dakka exist. Anyone new to miniatures would have a tough time with any miniatures. They will admittedly have a tough time with RRT miniatures because they have lots of parts. I am in the middle of assembling a regult and it is more complicated than I like, that's for sure, although I am really lazy when it comes to modelling.

 Forar wrote:
Doubly so given that the backer boxes aren't shrink wrapped.

What? What is shrink wrap going to do one way or the other?

 Forar wrote:
*shrug*

I'm not saying "HOUSTON WE HAVE A PROBLEM" and pulling out my hair.

But 'user friendliness to people new to miniatures' is something that has been brought up dozens of times since the campaign started.

Just because you or I don't see it as a problem doesn't mean there won't be issues for some folks, and while I recognize that they shouldn't have to cater to the utter lowest common denominator, "how much space is left in the box" seems like a reasonable consideration.

Doubly so given that the backer boxes aren't shrink wrapped.

Anyway, meh, if people don't think it'll be an issue, awesome. You officially have more faith in humanity and shipping services than I do. :-P

I'm more likely be buying a few sets from Ebay when it hits there. Already know I stand a good chance of the container and goods might get damage. Does not bother me at all. Before someone say I should have donated to Kickstarter well....that Chemo Therapy does a number (when it started and ended )

Though I am sure if bits are knocked off the sprue and they post a pic I am sure someone will post a complete sprue pic to help someone out

Random response to a data point - the sedition wars box I got from the KS was shrink wrapped, as was the post KS box I bought.

rigeld2 wrote:
Random response to a data point - the sedition wars box I got from the KS was shrink wrapped, as was the post KS box I bought.

Was the shrink wrap done by hand or machine?

 judgedoug wrote:


Is shrink wrapping a valid complaint? It also didn't come with busty naked ladies damn you to hell palladium

That's not helping.

And it isn't particularly funny either.

Doubly bad.

Already stamped "NO DESSERT" on his I.D. card

I have also noticed the heel peg on the regult is a bit long.

 Manchu wrote:
I have also noticed the heel peg on the regult is a bit long.

Maybe to file down if basing the model?

Just clipping it off works fine. This just applies to one set of legs on the regult sprue btw.

 Manchu wrote:
Somehow, I had no trouble handling the contents of my box without breaking pieces off. And I have never heard the word "dumped" to describe sprues in a box before. As for quality, anyone who has seen the numerous pictures of sprues knows what to expect and has either made their peace with it or not. To my mind, the box contains no surprises.

Did they make sure to include a glass of PB brand Kool Aid along with everything else?

 stanman wrote:
Did they make sure to include a glass of PB brand Kool Aid along with everything else?

Come on, guys like you are obviously too smart for PB.

Yeah, we're not falling for that!

... again.

>.>

I just assembled a regult and I am filled with the same feeling I had when I first watched Robotech

Of course anything I will say will be dismissed as I am not toeing the party line

But I'm sorry to inform you all that I love these models. At least the regult so far. Gonna be damn easy to assembly line these suckers

What's funny is that everybody seems to love the Zentraedi stuff.

Nobody seems to be chomping at the bit to get some VT's or Destroids put together.

Love to see some folks put together one of each and report back. Loving a Battlepod seems to be par for the course.

I was planning on assembling some destroids, but decided to cut my teeth on the regults first (since there's a giant pile of them) in case the plastic was crap and I started breaking parts.

Thankfully it's a nice hard styrene (or ABS?) and my xacto z blade cut right through them. Plastruct plastic weld melts/bonds within seconds.

Gonna assemble some destroids tomorrow!

Overall my childhood fantasy of having real Robotech minis since I first played Battletech appears to have come true.

I assembled three regults tonight and it felt pretty easy by number three. I think I can built them faster than I figured from just looking at the sprue,

I kind of agree with Forar, at least regarding my own feelings -- I am a little antsy about diving into the Valks. I think I will focus on getting the Zents all built and painted so we can get to gaming faster.

Actually, in terms of size and part count, these remind me a lot of the Flames of War and Plastic Soldier Company plastics - somewhere inbetween a torso/arms/head/gun mini but nowhere near as bad as when I decided I wanted to assemble 1/72 armor.

Not sure about the previous soft detail complaint, there's tons of tiny details. Just grabbed the Phalanx sprue and it's got nice clear sharp details on the head, missiles, etc.

Thinking back to those terribad black/blue regults at Gencon for the demos, I can't even imagine how those were painted (maybe with $1 brushes?). The regult has lots of nice flat surfaces that look to be suuuuuper easy to paint.

They've said it's ABS. Far as I know, that hasn't changed.

And it's just weird. Every unboxing report I've seen has commented on how easy the Battlepods are to build. Like... intentionally or unintentionally, people just automatically end up working on those first.

Hell, I don't even really want to play the Z side and I might build a few of those first, get the rust off what meager building skills I do have.

But the RDF is what I want to play, and let me tell you, 20+ pieces on something an inch and change tall isn't making my trousers tight, if you know what I mean.

At least, coming from a Malifaux background where something that size would probably be, like, 3-6 pieces. Maybe 10-12'ish if it's particularly complicated or comes with its own scenery or something.

Hmm quick subjective reference, got a box of Bolt Action Blitzkrieg Germans here and they look to be the same quality, except the Robotech stuff is harder plastic. The Warlord plastics are definitely softer, brand new in box I'm looking at the sprues and there's already some white marks where the plastic has taken stress. I believe the Robotech plastics won't whiten/bend as easily, which is definitely a plus considering all the guns sticking out of everything.


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Assembling a Regult first was purely because there were so many. If I had like 24 Tomahawks I would have gone with those first. I was honestly trepidatious about assembling these figs so I went with the Regults in case they broke/assembly sucked/I stepped on it/etc.


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 Manchu wrote:
I assembled three regults tonight and it felt pretty easy by number three. I think I can built them faster than I figured from just looking at the sprue,

Yup, after the first couple it'll be a matter of 30 mins of clipping all parts from all the sprues into piles and scraping the mold lines (speaking of which, did you have any? I had almost none on my Regults, or at least that sprue I was working on) and then assembly-lining torso/torso to pelvis to leg/leg to foot/foot to thruster/thruster then the lasers and particle beams.

I've seen almost nothing of mold lines on them.

Yeah, RDF stuff might be mold lines, already put it away though.

For someone who had asked earlier, it appears that the retail box contains literally the retail stuff, including instructions in a mini-pamphlet for assembly of the items in the retail box alone.

However, the Battlecry minis bag contains what appears to be the expansion box retail inserts. There's a separate, zoomed in, large scale assembly diagram per mecha (or, in the case of Tomahawk/Defender and Phalanx/Spartan, one on each side). I personally referenced this much larger Regult assembly diagram versus the smaller one in the retail box. Additionally, the Battlecry bag contains the extra cards, shrinkwrapped, for the Battlecry specific mecha (such as Spartan/Phalanx, which are not in the retail box)


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Before I forget, I'd like to praise the decals sheets. They are really high quality and contain an absurd amount of options. The RDF sheet has at least 150 different number combinations so that you're pretty much guaranteed to never have a repeating numerical designation. The Zentraedi one appears to have a similar amount of options. Additionally, they have a thin plastic cover on them to protect them from damage.

However, in true PB fashion, there's a minor typo on the RDF sheet. Bonus points if you can find it!

Does anyone know know what the advanced VT's look like in battloid and guardian mode?

Is the box being apparently too large perhaps because it's intended to allow you to put assembled minis back in it?

(always an issue with board games that require assembly, and something I'd seen come up in a variety of KS comments)

rigeld2 wrote:
Random response to a data point - the sedition wars box I got from the KS was shrink wrapped, as was the post KS box I bought.

Yep, mine too


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 judgedoug wrote:
I just assembled a regult and I am filled with the same feeling I had when I first watched Robotech

Of course anything I will say will be dismissed as I am not toeing the party line

But I'm sorry to inform you all that I love these models. At least the regult so far. Gonna be damn easy to assembly line these suckers

I'm pretty hopeful for the zent stuff, particularly the regults. How difficult do you thing they'd be to recut/repose the legs? Do the regular plastic cement melts it? I understand ABS doesn't work too well with the regular poli cement...

well so far from what i'm hearing it is what I was expecting with the regult pods being easy and good quality, also hearing other places of damaged boxes and product, which will not bode well, from what I heard the damaged product was a PB issue with the lack of proper packing used (seriously did they use just brown paper?).


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 Manchu wrote:

 Cyporiean wrote:
tangled and broken

This is exactly how bull gak starts. "Tangled" whatever that means is not the same thing as broken. No one has complained of a broken sprue. A piece coming off the sprue in the box also does not make a broken sprue.

Actually people are complaining now of broken parts and bent parts, so yes, this does become an issue, and while I applaud your experience was great, I'm curious why you degrade others experiances, or why your satisfied with product a lot less then promised? true I so this crap storm coming from a mile away but that's me I've got experience in working miniatures and such and knew that PB had someone else other then ND working on this crap, the styles between the Zent stuff and the UEDF stuff is too big to be from the same design studio.

in closing, yes people are complaining of broken and damaged product now, and something tells me it will be expanding even more with more product being shipped, also Manchu out of curiousity did you get the base game only? I'm thinking yes, since it would have been real easy to send those out looking pretty and such.


Also on side note, the very first person to get the game (Bad_Syntax) actually broke one of the missiles on the sprue when all he did was touch it.

all in all i'm looking forward to the Zent stuff, the UEDF not so much.

Asterios wrote:
well so far from what i'm hearing it is what I was expecting with the regult pods being easy and good quality, also hearing other places of damaged boxes and product, which will not bode well, from what I heard the damaged product was a PB issue with the lack of proper packing used (seriously did they use just brown paper?).


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 Manchu wrote:

 Cyporiean wrote:
tangled and broken

This is exactly how bull gak starts. "Tangled" whatever that means is not the same thing as broken. No one has complained of a broken sprue. A piece coming off the sprue in the box also does not make a broken sprue.

Actually people are complaining now of broken parts and bent parts, so yes, this does become an issue, and while I applaud your experience was great, I'm curious why you degrade others experiances, or why your satisfied with product a lot less then promised? true I so this crap storm coming from a mile away but that's me I've got experience in working miniatures and such and knew that PB had someone else other then ND working on this crap, the styles between the Zent stuff and the UEDF stuff is too big to be from the same design studio.

in closing, yes people are complaining of broken and damaged product now, and something tells me it will be expanding even more with more product being shipped, also Manchu out of curiousity did you get the base game only? I'm thinking yes, since it would have been real easy to send those out looking pretty and such.

Also on side note, the very first person to get the game (Bad_Syntax) actually broke one of the missiles on the sprue when all he did was touch it.

all in all i'm looking forward to the Zent stuff, the UEDF not so much.

Not unexpected from you Rick

Tangled stuff IS not the same as broken. It is what it is.

He did not degrade other experiences only clarify that the complaint was not over broken parts but tangled ones before people make assumptions as you have.

Again you ASSUME that 2 different studios worked on the minis based on looks. You have no proof either way. The fact that the Ninjas posted a blog of someone putting together some Valkyries does not add anything to your claim.

What your consider good quality and are willing to accept does not mean we all are held or hold the same standard.

So now we also magically have better quality sprues in the main box then what the rest is?

Your "facts" are getting flimsier and flimsier with time.....How many careers and titles and do you hold now? You saw things a mile off but yet you still put over $700 or whatever it was into the project....interesting.

Asterios wrote:
I'm curious why you degrade others experiances

I am sick to the back teeth of folks bending over backwards to say something bad about this product. Complaining that the sprues are "just dumped in the box" is meaningless nonsense.

Asterios wrote:
or why your satisfied with product a lot less then promised?

What exactly is "a lot less than promised" about anything that just arrived?

Asterios wrote:
out of curiousity did you get the base game only? I'm thinking yes, since it would have been real easy to send those out looking pretty and such.

(1) That sounds like more bull gak. If the game box is "too big" and the sprues are "just dumped in" then why would it matter if I only got the base set? (2) I pledged for Battle Cry so I got a big shipping box with a "round one" sprue bag and the main box.

Asterios wrote:
Also on side note, the very first person to get the game (Bad_Syntax) actually broke one of the missiles on the sprue when all he did was touch it.

Spreading lies like this is really despicable. In fact, here's what Bad_Syntax himself wrote in his YT comments regarding the broken piece:

I had already "unboxed" it half a dozen times, carried it through gencon, carried it through an airport, and so forth. I'd suspect I did it during one of those events, as nothing else was broken.

Besides, you get 3 full sets of missile types for every unit, 1 broke here and there of those won't matter (kinda like the VF heads).

Asterios wrote:

Actually people are complaining now of broken parts and bent parts, so yes, this does become an issue, and while I applaud your experience was great, I'm curious why you degrade others experiances, or why your satisfied with product a lot less then promised? true I so this crap storm coming from a mile away but that's me I've got experience in working miniatures and such and knew that PB had someone else other then ND working on this crap, the styles between the Zent stuff and the UEDF stuff is too big to be from the same design studio.

in closing, yes people are complaining of broken and damaged product now, and something tells me it will be expanding even more with more product being shipped, also Manchu out of curiousity did you get the base game only? I'm thinking yes, since it would have been real easy to send those out looking pretty and such.

Also on side note, the very first person to get the game (Bad_Syntax) actually broke one of the missiles on the sprue when all he did was touch it.

all in all i'm looking forward to the Zent stuff, the UEDF not so much.

I have zero broken or bent parts after my sprue inspection. I have no doubt that others might not be so lucky, but the fact is that the ABS plastic being used is very strong, stronger than Warlord and GW's polystyrene. They are an order of magnitude stronger than the last few 1/35 and 1/72 model kits I've assembled from a variety of manufacturers. The strength _might_, in the long term, prove to be more brittle than the softer polystyrene, but I personally would rather have a clean break that can be pinned versus bent polystyrene (of which I have too many bent plastic rifles, spears, swords, pikes from GW and Warlord models especially pike & shotte dudes... and bent polystyrene will never ever become straight again)

As I mentioned previously, the sprues and plastics are very reminiscent of Plastic Soldier Company and Battlefront Flames of War in terms of part count and complexity. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it turned out it was the same manufacturer.

Manchu got a Battlecry, as did I, so the package contained 1x retail game box (with all retail components inside said box), and then a large separate bag labeled "Battlecry Phase One" that contained a giiaaannntttt pile of sprues, cards, bases, assembly sheets, etc.

The Zentraedi mecha and the RDF mecha are very obviously from the same design studio. I'm not sure what you mean that the "styles" are different. The same sprue cutting design aesthetic is used, but other than that, the aesthetic styles are indeed different - the RDF mecha are designed by humans, the Zentraedi mecha are designed by an alien race (the Zentraedi). All were designed by Shoji Kawamori.

Actually now that I've gotten my pledge, assembled some Regults, looked at all the components, flicked the the physical rulebook, had a good night's sleep, woken up, looked at the stuff some more, and now I'm at work, I can honestly say I am really very, very happy that I backed this Kickstarter and I'm really, really very antsy to get home to assemble more. I'm considering taking a sick day on Friday just so I can get some painting done.

As a totally subjective review, my older brother (who is kind of a minor Robotech fan, has seen it fully at least once) had a look at everything last night and thought everything looked "fantastic" and loved the Regult I had built. He has only dimly been aware of the Kickstarter's progress.


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 Albertorius wrote:

I'm pretty hopeful for the zent stuff, particularly the regults. How difficult do you thing they'd be to recut/repose the legs? Do the regular plastic cement melts it? I understand ABS doesn't work too well with the regular poli cement...

I use Plastruct Plastic Weld - comes in a glass container with a brush-on applicator - best glue I've ever used. Dries in a few seconds and bonds ABS, polystyrene, and many other plastics. Only about $5 from Hobbytown or from various online places. Took seconds to melt/glue the Regult, and you have a few minutes after that if you change your mind about a position, before the plastic really starts melting together (as I did last night when I had to reposition my Regult's legs about 15 degrees forward)


Quote from Plastruct: "PLASTIC WELD CEMENT
Instantly tacky. Sets in minutes - bonds permanently overnight. Economical to use. Special formulation dissolves a thin layer of each surface to be joined. It evaporates quickly and forms a welded joint; one as strong as the surrounding plastic. Apply with a small brush or blunted syringe-type applicator. Capillary action will spread it the length and breadth of the joint for a continuous solid weld. Plastic Weld works on most dissimilar Styrene, Butryrate, ABS and Acrylic applications."