judgedoug wrote:

Asterios wrote:

And i'm sick and tired of People supporting the product at the expense of those who face it were not happy with it, I've already seen the product up close a friend of mine got his and it is now sitting in my closet to be gotten to some time in the far far future, but from what I've seen he had 5 pieces that broke off the sprue the Zentraedi stuff looks simple and clean while the UEDF stuff looks like a Rube Goldberg nightmare.

If you have a Battlecry, I will give you $140 for it plus shipping.

I have a few Battle Cry's coming and will have them sit in my closet till I decide to do something about them. which is no time soon. as it goes still have thousands of minis to assemble from other game companies still.

 Conrad Turner wrote:

ABS=

A Acrylonitrile
B Butadiene
S Styrene

Now the exact properties depend on the blend of those 3 ingredients when they polymerise it, but the Butadiene is a rubber. Styrene is what they polymerise to make Polystyrene. Butadiene is used to give impact resistance to the plastic (Make it less brittle) and allow a certain 'snap' which will return parts to their original shape if not bent too much. If you go past this point, however, the Styrene behaviour will come to the fore and you will be left with the same bent spear syndrome that your GW models suffer from.

The easiest way to enhance their resistance to becoming brittle, PS and ABS alike, is to prevent them being affected by UV light, which we generally do by .......... painting them.

Okay, excellent! I didn't know most of that. So the Robotech plastic is definitely harder, straight up, than the Warlord sprues I was comparing them to. If they are also not brittle, then I'm quite happy with the plastic.

OH! THIS MORNING on my way out to work, though, I grabbed a sprue, and bent it so that it turned white, and then let it go - it went back to shape and the whiteness went away. Would that mean, then, that it has a high amount of Butadiene?
That bodes REALLY well for dropping minis like Regults.


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Asterios wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:

Asterios wrote:

And i'm sick and tired of People supporting the product at the expense of those who face it were not happy with it, I've already seen the product up close a friend of mine got his and it is now sitting in my closet to be gotten to some time in the far far future, but from what I've seen he had 5 pieces that broke off the sprue the Zentraedi stuff looks simple and clean while the UEDF stuff looks like a Rube Goldberg nightmare.

If you have a Battlecry, I will give you $140 for it plus shipping.

I have a few Battle Cry's coming and will have them sit in my closet till I decide to do something about them. which is no time soon. as it goes still have thousands of minis to assemble from other game companies still.

I'll buy what's in your closet right now. Could you take a picture and post so we can see which pieces broke off the sprue?

 judgedoug wrote:

 Conrad Turner wrote:

ABS=

A Acrylonitrile
B Butadiene
S Styrene

Now the exact properties depend on the blend of those 3 ingredients when they polymerise it, but the Butadiene is a rubber. Styrene is what they polymerise to make Polystyrene. Butadiene is used to give impact resistance to the plastic (Make it less brittle) and allow a certain 'snap' which will return parts to their original shape if not bent too much. If you go past this point, however, the Styrene behaviour will come to the fore and you will be left with the same bent spear syndrome that your GW models suffer from.

The easiest way to enhance their resistance to becoming brittle, PS and ABS alike, is to prevent them being affected by UV light, which we generally do by .......... painting them.

Okay, excellent! I didn't know most of that. So the Robotech plastic is definitely harder, straight up, than the Warlord sprues I was comparing them to. If they are also not brittle, then I'm quite happy with the plastic.

OH! THIS MORNING on my way out to work, though, I grabbed a sprue, and bent it so that it turned white, and then let it go - it went back to shape and the whiteness went away. Would that mean, then, that it has a high amount of Butadiene?
That bodes REALLY well for dropping minis like Regults.


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Asterios wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:

Asterios wrote:

And i'm sick and tired of People supporting the product at the expense of those who face it were not happy with it, I've already seen the product up close a friend of mine got his and it is now sitting in my closet to be gotten to some time in the far far future, but from what I've seen he had 5 pieces that broke off the sprue the Zentraedi stuff looks simple and clean while the UEDF stuff looks like a Rube Goldberg nightmare.

If you have a Battlecry, I will give you $140 for it plus shipping.

I have a few Battle Cry's coming and will have them sit in my closet till I decide to do something about them. which is no time soon. as it goes still have thousands of minis to assemble from other game companies still.

I'll buy what's in your closet right now. Could you take a picture and post so we can see which pieces broke off the sprue?

pieces that broke off were a head, couple arm pieces and a couple missile groups, all UEDF stuff, looks like a sprue or something got jammed in there and popped them off. many of my friends still want to buy whats in my closet, like I said I still have a lot of stuff to build and will get to stuff when I get to it, which is why I wasn't too concerned when I would get my stuff, hell I probably won't get my own pledge till next month or so, also its why i'm not a big KS backer, only backed this robotech one cause a fan of the show.

Asterios wrote:
i'm sick and tired of People supporting the product at the expense of those who face it were not happy with it

This thread is full of WTF moments. We've got at least one poster who thinks PB is out to get him personally, people complaining about how the sprues are arranged in the box, and now you are telling me that pointing out how ridiculous these claims are is "at the expense of those who face it were not happy with it." The fact is, you only made a Dakka account to complain ITT. And it really shows. For example:

Asterios wrote:
as to B_S's clip, if you watched the video, he doesn't say it broke off, he says he just broke it as he picked it up

No. No, he doesn't. This is an example of making something up to complain about it. Not only did he NOT say that in the vid but he also even clarified in the comments to that vid -- which I posted and you ignored.

Asterios wrote:
furthermore shall we talk about B_S's views of the so called "Laminated" cards ?

Furthermore, shall we talk about how I agree with him?

 Manchu wrote:
The cards feel a bit flimsy to me so I think they should be laminated for durability as well as to write on.

 Manchu wrote:
Yeah, I would really like a PDF and will probably end up making something myself. I just don't think the cards will hold up in play.

 judgedoug wrote:
That bodes REALLY well for dropping minis like Regults.

You will not be surprised to hear that I have already dropped one and it did not break. I figured one of those guns would have snapped off but thankfully it did not. Not saying I would ever do it on purpose or that it wasn't just a case of getting lucky.

 Manchu wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
That bodes REALLY well for dropping minis like Regults.

You will not be surprised to hear that I have already dropped one and it did not break. I figured one of those guns would have snapped off but thankfully it did not. Not saying I would ever do it on purpose or that it wasn't just a case of getting lucky.

Honestly the plastic material is making me really happy. While I am a big resin-head, this is definitely not a product I would want resin or metal of. I can imagine scooping up hordes of battlepods - especially due to some missile volleys from Super Valkyries - and I'm optimistic that the plastic is strong enough (and the aforementioned plastic glue's bonds also strong enough) to be able to necessitate the tyranid/soviet style "figure scoop".

 Manchu wrote:

Asterios wrote:
i'm sick and tired of People supporting the product at the expense of those who face it were not happy with it

This thread is full of WTF moments. We've got at least one poster who thinks PB is out to get him personally, people complaining about how the sprues are arranged in the box, and now you are telling me that pointing out how ridiculous these claims are is "at the expense of those who face it were not happy with it." The fact is, you only made a Dakka account to complain ITT. And it really shows. For example:

Asterios wrote:
as to B_S's clip, if you watched the video, he doesn't say it broke off, he says he just broke it as he picked it up

No. No, he doesn't. This is an example of making something up to complain about it. Not only did he NOT say that in the vid but he also even clarified in the comments to that vid -- which I posted and you ignored.

Asterios wrote:
furthermore shall we talk about B_S's views of the so called "Laminated" cards ?

Furthermore, shall we talk about how I agree with him?

 Manchu wrote:
The cards feel a bit flimsy to me so I think they should be laminated for durability as well as to write on.

 Manchu wrote:
Yeah, I would really like a PDF and will probably end up making something myself. I just don't think the cards will hold up in play.

 judgedoug wrote:
That bodes REALLY well for dropping minis like Regults.

You will not be surprised to hear that I have already dropped one and it did not break. I figured one of those guns would have snapped off but thankfully it did not. Not saying I would ever do it on purpose or that it wasn't just a case of getting lucky.

Actually if your complaint was at certain peeps I would have ignored it but you also complained about someone who did have a legitimate complaint, and no I didn't make a Dakka account to talk bad about the project, in fact don't have much to say, wish another company did the project, but that's life, and personally I feel this project is not what was promised, not even half way promised.


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 judgedoug wrote:

 Manchu wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
That bodes REALLY well for dropping minis like Regults.

You will not be surprised to hear that I have already dropped one and it did not break. I figured one of those guns would have snapped off but thankfully it did not. Not saying I would ever do it on purpose or that it wasn't just a case of getting lucky.

Honestly the plastic material is making me really happy. While I am a big resin-head, this is definitely not a product I would want resin or metal of. I can imagine scooping up hordes of battlepods - especially due to some missile volleys from Super Valkyries - and I'm optimistic that the plastic is strong enough (and the aforementioned plastic glue's bonds also strong enough) to be able to necessitate the tyranid/soviet style "figure scoop".

Actually PB using ABS plastic is the one thing they did right on this project, it is a strong durable material, but does come with a caveat that if you use the wrong glue bad things will happen to the minis, not today or tomoroow or even next week but eventually you will have bad things happen to your models that will make you say WWWHHHHYYYYY?

 judgedoug wrote:

Asterios wrote:

And i'm sick and tired of People supporting the product at the expense of those who face it were not happy with it, I've already seen the product up close a friend of mine got his and it is now sitting in my closet to be gotten to some time in the far far future, but from what I've seen he had 5 pieces that broke off the sprue the Zentraedi stuff looks simple and clean while the UEDF stuff looks like a Rube Goldberg nightmare.

If you have a Battlecry, I will give you $140 for it plus shipping.

I'll shoot you a PM whenever my stuff shows up.

Asterios wrote:
you also complained about someone who did have a legitimate complaint

By all means, give me the details.

Asterios wrote:
I didn't make a Dakka account to talk bad about the project

You have 78 posts as of this post; 77 of them are ITT complaining about PB and the RRT KS. Here's your only post not ITT:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/610306.page

Asterios wrote:
personally I feel this project is not what was promised, not even half way promised

Everyone is entitled to their "personal feelings" -- but I am wondering why your sig says:

Buying Robotech RRT pledges! PM me. Currently buying Battlecry for $51 ea.

Seems a little strange.

As for me, I will buy a reputable Dakka poster's Battle Cry pledge for $140 + shipping costs to me.

 Cyporiean wrote:
I'll shoot you a PM whenever my stuff shows up.

Keep me in mind as a back up. I know you are a reliable, established poster. I wouldn't consider buying a pledge from someone who only signed up to this forum to complain about a product while simultaneously offering to buy it.

Asterios wrote:

Actually PB using ABS plastic is the one thing they did right on this project, it is a strong durable material, but does come with a caveat that if you use the wrong glue bad things will happen to the minis, not today or tomoroow or even next week but eventually you will have bad things happen to your models that will make you say WWWHHHHYYYYY?

I feel that happens to many models. Such as any models glued with super glue, as super glue gets brittle over time.

What glue is the wrong glue? Any polystyrene cement (plastic glue) would work, as would super glue?
I am not a chemist, but from my understanding, polystyrene cement is acetone, chlorobenzene, or trichloroethane - that will melt/glue polystyrene and ABS.
There is also Plastruct Plastic Weld which is based on dichloromethane, that bonds polystyrene and ABS as well as acrylic (such as plexiglass)

I would imagine PVA glue, wood glues, hot glues, rubberized glues, and certain epoxies would not work very well, but who would use Elmer's all-purpose white glue on a model?


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 Manchu wrote:
Everyone is entitled to their "personal feelings" -- but I am wondering why your sig says:

Buying Robotech RRT pledges! PM me. Currently buying Battlecry for $51 ea.

Seems a little strange.

That was a joke, based on my previous offer to buy any disappointed backers' pledges at $50
Though my offer is also now $140. I would like another one.

 Manchu wrote:

Asterios wrote:
you also complained about someone who did have a legitimate complaint

By all means, give me the details.

Asterios wrote:
I didn't make a Dakka account to talk bad about the project

You have 78 posts as of this post; 77 of them are ITT complaining about PB and the RRT KS. Here's your only post not ITT:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/610306.page

Asterios wrote:
personally I feel this project is not what was promised, not even half way promised

Everyone is entitled to their "personal feelings" -- but I am wondering why your sig says:

Buying Robotech RRT pledges! PM me. Currently buying Battlecry for $51 ea.

Seems a little strange.

As for me, I will buy a reputable Dakka poster's Battle Cry pledge for $140 + shipping costs to me.

 Cyporiean wrote:
I'll shoot you a PM whenever my stuff shows up.

Keep me in mind as a back up. I know you are a reliable, established poster. I wouldn't consider buying a pledge from someone who only signed up to this forum to complain about a product while simultaneously offering to buy it.

Actually that was a joke cause of someone posting about buying BC's at $50, i'm just to lazy to remove it, and lets face it only talk about RRT here cause only thing to talk about, when it comes to 40K I talk about that elsewhere, and when it comes to other minis I talk about them elsewhere.


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 judgedoug wrote:

Asterios wrote:

Actually PB using ABS plastic is the one thing they did right on this project, it is a strong durable material, but does come with a caveat that if you use the wrong glue bad things will happen to the minis, not today or tomoroow or even next week but eventually you will have bad things happen to your models that will make you say WWWHHHHYYYYY?

I feel that happens to many models. Such as any models glued with super glue, as super glue gets brittle over time.

What glue is the wrong glue? Any polystyrene cement (plastic glue) would work, as would super glue?
I am not a chemist, but from my understanding, polystyrene cement is acetone, chlorobenzene, or trichloroethane - that will melt/glue polystyrene and ABS.
There is also Plastruct Plastic Weld which is based on dichloromethane, that bonds polystyrene and ABS as well as acrylic (such as plexiglass)

I would imagine PVA glue, wood glues, hot glues, rubberized glues, and certain epoxies would not work very well, but who would use Elmer's all-purpose white glue on a model?


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 Manchu wrote:
Everyone is entitled to their "personal feelings" -- but I am wondering why your sig says:

Buying Robotech RRT pledges! PM me. Currently buying Battlecry for $51 ea.

Seems a little strange.

That was a joke, based on my previous offer to buy any disappointed backers' pledges at $50
Though my offer is also now $140. I would like another one.

talk to Mike he has a habit of setting up potential buyers with potential sellers of the Robotech game.

 judgedoug wrote:

I am not a chemist, but from my understanding, polystyrene cement is acetone, chlorobenzene, or trichloroethane - that will melt/glue polystyrene and ABS.

This is correct. When I was young and building one of my first plastic airplane kits, I smothered the inside of a two-part wing (top piece and bottom piece) in polystyrene cement. I ended up leaving fingerprints in the outside as there was so much glue on the inside that it turned the entire wing soft.

I would imagine PVA glue, wood glues, hot glues, rubberized glues, and certain epoxies would not work very well, but who would use Elmer's all-purpose white glue on a model?

White glue is actually used in model building. Polystyrene cement does Bad Things (tm) to the clear plastic that's typically used for things like windows and cockpit canopies. Elmer's White Glue will allow you to attach the piece to the rest of the kit without causing any unsightly distortions of the "glass".

 Manchu wrote:
As for me, I will buy a reputable Dakka poster's Battle Cry pledge for $140 + shipping costs to me.

I will pay a little bit more than that but I am looking for someone in the US. I've found people in Canada/UK unfortunately shipping costs are just too much.

 Dark Severance wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
As for me, I will buy a reputable Dakka poster's Battle Cry pledge for $140 + shipping costs to me.

I will pay a little bit more than that but I am looking for someone in the US. I've found people in Canada/UK unfortunately shipping costs are just too much.

LOL I suppose we ought to take it to eBay.

Battle Cry in Tampa for 275 USD starting bid:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Robotech-RPG-Tactics-Battle-Cry-Pledge-w-stretch-goals-LE-exclusives-/231354689123?pt=Games_US&hash=item35ddd06663

Here's one in Maryland at 160 USD, 22 bids so far with 4 days to go:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Robotech-RPG-Tactics-Battle-Cry-Pledge-w-stretch-goals-LE-exclusives-/201184997173?pt=Games_US&hash=item2ed78f6f35

EDIT -- scratch that , now at 187.50 USD.

Man, I should have held out and started a bidding war in this thread for mine.

 pretre wrote:
Man, I should have held out and started a bidding war in this thread for mine.

Well it was risky -- the stuff could have come and been awful. Same reason I didn't pledge for Showdown. Turns out to be pretty good though!

 Manchu wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Man, I should have held out and started a bidding war in this thread for mine.

Well it was risky -- the stuff could have come and been awful. Same reason I didn't pledge for Showdown. Turns out to be pretty good though!

Yeah, I'm mostly kidding. I'm happy that someone who is more into it got mine for a fair price.

 pretre wrote:
for a fair price.

A pretty generous price, I'd say. We'll see how the market goes but it has been selling on ebay for between 375 - 450 USD.

 Manchu wrote:

 pretre wrote:
for a fair price.

A pretty generous price, I'd say. We'll see how the market goes but it has been selling on ebay for between 375 - 450 USD.

I'll tell him he owes me a couple hundred bucks.

someone sold a base game for $200 last month but current base game on auction probably won't go for that much:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/181544834606?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Eumerin wrote:

White glue is actually used in model building. Polystyrene cement does Bad Things (tm) to the clear plastic that's typically used for things like windows and cockpit canopies. Elmer's White Glue will allow you to attach the piece to the rest of the kit without causing any unsightly distortions of the "glass".

You know, I totally forgot about that, but yeah. All my SST mobile infantry had PVA glued visors, as well as obvious things like Eldar vehicles. There's no clear plastics for RRT afaik, though.

Asterios wrote:
someone sold a base game for $200 last month but current base game on auction probably won't go for that much:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/181544834606?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Not with Miniature Market pre-selling it for ~77 USD, I hope, but people want it NOW I suppose.

 judgedoug wrote:
Hmm, AoW have styrene dwarf berserkers (use plastic glue) but everything else is PVC (use super glue)

That makes sense, and I probably got their PVC confused with ABS, for some reason.

 Manchu wrote:

Asterios wrote:
someone sold a base game for $200 last month but current base game on auction probably won't go for that much:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/181544834606?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Not with Miniature Market pre-selling it for ~77 USD, I hope, but people want it NOW I suppose.

yeah could never understand people spending gobs of money to get products a few weeks to a month early.


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now whos book will sell faster if at all?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Robotech-RPG-TACTICS-RULEBOOK-BRAND-NEW-GenCon-advance-copy-Paladium-2014-/171489563252?pt=Games_US&hash=item27ed931274


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Robotech-RPG-Tactics-Official-Rulebook-Not-yet-released-RARE-Paladium-2014-/171491022187?pt=Games_US&hash=item27eda9556b

also notice the S&H cost on the 2nd. book, its like wow is that over night or what ?

Yeah, I think that was the literal first one to end up on ebay that was actually in hand, not a pre-sale.

With more people getting them the demand will slowly begin to drop and the supply will begin to rise. With retail also ticking away days until they should have some in hand as well, I doubt they'll sell nearly as strongly for some time to come.

Eh, it's nonsensical to the average person, but if I was the same person aside from making twice or five or ten times what I do now, I could see dropping a pile of cash to get something *in hand* rather than waiting. It's not a solid financial choice for most, but for all we know it's some 'kid' millionaire (trust fund, silicon valley, whatever) that thinks $200 is chump change.

I didn't think the rules were a strong selling point?

I'd love for this to do really well at retail though as I'd love for more Japanese Anime Giant Robot type games in this scale.

 Alpharius wrote:
I didn't think the rules were a strong selling point?

In terms of playability, I think they are fine. In the rules thread, I posted extensively about what I would change and why but if it didn't seem playable I would not even bother trying to play it. As things stand, I want to get my Zents ready for ASAP gaming using what we have concluded is RAW.

 Alpharius wrote:
I'd love for more Japanese Anime Giant Robot type games in this scale.

Yes please!

Not sure how that happened.. double post, delete this please.

PB were planning on selling the books at Gencon as well, I think for $20.

I imagine the few people with books that don't care about having them (picked up at events, from core boxes where they don't want anything but the models, etc) are just trying to get ahead of the backers all getting them.

Hell, when they start shipping out SD's and Recklesses, people will have more of the things on hand than they'll know what to do with. Presumably trying to get ahead of the curve while they're in limited quantities.

 Forar wrote:
PB were planning on selling the books at Gencon as well, I think for $20.

I imagine the few people with books that don't care about having them (picked up at events, from core boxes where they don't want anything but the models, etc) are just trying to get ahead of the backers all getting them.

Hell, when they start shipping out SD's and Recklesses, people will have more of the things on hand than they'll know what to do with. Presumably trying to get ahead of the curve while they're in limited quantities.

yeah I can see game books showing up for about $5 - $10 a pop then.

Aside from buying KS pledges, the cheapest way to get more figs is buying another base set. Lots of people will end up with multiple copies of the book.

https://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dropbox.com%2Fsh%2F1alf9z6x82j2pc0%2FAADHB5xIkOvV5wc5YH7fnoHoa%3Fdl%3D0&h=NAQHOg1Va

Bad Syntax posted some pics of minis next to a ruler for size comparison, thought I'd share.

 Manchu wrote:
Aside from buying KS pledges, the cheapest way to get more figs is buying another base set. Lots of people will end up with multiple copies of the book.

Oh, absolutely. While the price point and work required are significantly spicier than the X-Wing core, the same basic premise exists, though FFG were cunning with the X-Wing stuff and bundled cards in the X-Wing/TIE expansions that don't exist in the core box, presenting some reason to buy at least one of the actual expansions themselves.

Given that a core contains;
2.5 VT expansions (plus an extra Battloid)
1 T/D expansion
2 Battlepod expansions
1 Command Pod expansion
That's ~$240 MSRP worth of stuff there for $100 (obviously less if one buys from the usual retailers), plus contains the book (having 2 so both players can look things up while showing the game to a friend), 2 templates, a pile of dice and whatnot, it's not a bad idea. Expensive, time consuming, but efficient.

That may be the strength of the secondary market, at least initially. Paying $30 for a pair of VTs when one can get that plus another 29'ish figures for an extra $40 might be a tough call. Getting them for $15-20 or so, however, might appeal to people wanting to slowly expand their collection, rather than dump a pile of cash down for a whole second box at once.

The other side will be availability. If the game proves popular enough for that to be a common thing that people do, it'd effectively double the demand, which could cause supply/availability issues.

But this is all 'theorycraft' for now. The coming weeks, with actual product in actual hands, will be where things get interesting.

Between the core box and extras (7 expansions, at my count, roughly $500 MSRP in total), even just 1/2 price, still works out to just under double the original asking price.

Sort of a funny trade off with all the speculation. If the game is strong and demand for the models is high, the secondary market could be spicy. If things are weak, sure, people might get BC's and cores for a song, but it also means a much higher hill to climb for there to be any real future for the product line.

Even as "one of the haters" and a "terrorist" on the KS comments, man, why would I want this to tank? I want this gak to take off so I can pay off my backerage and still have models left over to play with! :-P

Edit: Ummm, Mike, a little context?

@Forar, fixed, sorry had people coming in and out of office.

What MM is asking, 75 USD (about $2.70/miniature totally disregarding everything else in the box), is a really nice price for the Base Set. The expansions are really overpriced IMO. Zent arty for $9.25/model is crazy.

It almost seems like they are taking a cue from microsoft and selling the main product below cost so they can sucker you into buying overpriced expansions.

I would guess the base set is their loss leader rather than that the expansion prices are jacked up.

I say overpriced because the model count seems to have little bearing on the MSRP.

I dunno. The VTs are 6 figures, pods are 6, artillery pods are 4 but come with a pile of extra bits to make them into heavy, light or particle beam variants. Destroids are 4, but at a reduced price (though they're also tiny). I know the command pack has like 2 large(ish?) sprues, but that's the one I see being a bit of a question mark. $12.33 per model MSRP?

Especially if what mike says is true and the recovery pods are kind of a waste, making it like $25+ for a command pod and a recon pod. Not a great deal, and unlike the destroids, the officer's pod is significantly out of scale for Battletech players.

I totally agree the expansions are overpriced (see above) and you make a good point about model count. But that base set is a sweet, sweet loss leader.

No doubt. ~$150 for 70 models and all the fixings is pretty solid. Not quite as cheap as some skirmish games, but a hell of a lot cheaper than many army games.

Add in nostalgia and I'm sure there'll be some people nibbling.

Just got my shipping notice, let the bidding for my battlecry begin.

Shipment #970
Backer #1438

Just assembled Valkyrie fighter
easy peasy
except put the head on before the gun pod. I did not and I had to use tweezers to get the head there past the gun pod I had already used
it's very cute. Of course I held it aloft and flew it around making zooming noises and dakka dakka at my regults

Oh btw I checked the cards. They are 100% printed on a digital press with a glossy laminate applied on a finishing unit. It's a thin coating that is not nearly as thick as traditional pouch lamination. However it is very much an upgrade as a normal digital press does not do it by default
(We just got some konika digital presses at work after a year of shopping and comparing and every press has separate finishing units. Not cheap. An HP indigo press fully loaded is north of 800 thousand dollars)

That being said they are very flimsy. Forar your earlier suggestion of relaminating them would make them indestructible. I can see the default ones falling apart with a fewyears of weekly play


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Cyporiean $140?


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BTW I cannot recommend plastruct plastic weld enough
it begins melting the parts almost immediately
brush it on and press the parts together and the slight melting fills in the seams
I'd honestly be less happy if I was using a different glue
as most of the seams are disappearing as I glue them

Yeah, my group ended up laminating our Malifaux 1.5 cards, and they are very much all but indestructible.

And good to know on the Plastruct. I've never used it, but some fiddling with a few scrap sprue pieces ought to let me sort it out.

I mean, I've got time to kill. I'll be lucky if I have my boxes by December at this rate.

Edit: and congrats Cyporiean!

I'll pay for your Battle Cry with a Battle Cry of my own! BAM, eat that math, fethers!

Okay the GERWALK is a pain in the ass
correction the GERWALK with both hands holding the gun pod
that was a nightmare
However the GERWALK with only the right hand holding gun pod and left hand free is a cinch
biggest seams so far on GERWALK legs.

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Watch the battroid shoulder lights
I just clipped a part off one off :(


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The battroids have a lot of optional parts. I recommend cutting all the parts out of the first sprue you assemble. So you can dry fit the arms and such to get the configuration you want

 judgedoug wrote:
Just assembled Valkyrie fighter
easy peasy
except put the head on before the gun pod. I did not and I had to use tweezers to get the head there past the gun pod I had already used
it's very cute

How noticeable is the head? Would it ruin the overall look of the model just to leave it off?

. Of course I held it aloft and flew it around making zooming noises and dakka dakka at my regults

@Cyporiean: $150?

This may very well change, but as it stands, there are some wave 2 items I don't really want: the Lancers, Ghosts, and a pack of YF-4's that I regret getting.

Okay folks, discussion about selling that pledge needs to go to the Swap Shop. Thanks!

 judgedoug wrote:
Just assembled Valkyrie fighter
easy peasy
except put the head on before the gun pod. I did not and I had to use tweezers to get the head there past the gun pod I had already used
it's very cute. Of course I held it aloft and flew it around making zooming noises and dakka dakka at my regults

Oh btw I checked the cards. They are 100% printed on a digital press with a glossy laminate applied on a finishing unit. It's a thin coating that is not nearly as thick as traditional pouch lamination. However it is very much an upgrade as a normal digital press does not do it by default
(We just got some konika digital presses at work after a year of shopping and comparing and every press has separate finishing units. Not cheap. An HP indigo press fully loaded is north of 800 thousand dollars)

That being said they are very flimsy. Forar your earlier suggestion of relaminating them would make them indestructible. I can see the default ones falling apart with a fewyears of weekly play


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BTW I cannot recommend plastruct plastic weld enough
it begins melting the parts almost immediately
brush it on and press the parts together and the slight melting fills in the seams
I'd honestly be less happy if I was using a different glue
as most of the seams are disappearing as I glue them

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Eh, all my posts are turning to crap?
Is it laminated or cello glazed?

 judgedoug wrote:

BTW I cannot recommend plastruct plastic weld enough
it begins melting the parts almost immediately
brush it on and press the parts together and the slight melting fills in the seams
I'd honestly be less happy if I was using a different glue
as most of the seams are disappearing as I glue them

Plastruct it is, then, as it seems it's stronger than the one I'm using right now, and the seams very much need filling (I was thinking about making ABS sludge to fill the gaps, personally). Thank you very much for your input.

I'll have to get me a bottle of that before they ship my stuff... which means I'm not in a hurry >_>

Could you take a couple pics of the Spacy stuff you've assembled, if it's not too much of a bother? I'd love to see the end result (Also, I'd love to see Spacy stuff primed, as it looks like the brown plastic doesn't really helps to see the detail or lack thereof).

EDIT: ...anyone knows where to buy this from the EU? Even better if there's no need for air travel, as I suspect it is not allowed to.

Joyboozer wrote:

Is it laminated or cello glazed?

Well gak. You know, they might be celloglazed. Now that you mentioned that... celloglazing has that slick varnish quality, if I remember correctly, right? the Robotech cards are definitely slick. Let me see if we still have a bunch of sample stock at work and I'll bring it home to compare it.


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 Albertorius wrote:


EDIT: ...anyone knows where to buy this from the EU? Even better if there's no need for air travel, as I suspect it is not allowed to.

This might help!
http://plastruct.com/Pages/IntlDealers.html
http://plastruct.com/Pages/IntlDist.html

double post?

Here's a rather low quality pic I took last night


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Yeah, that's a container of Secret Weapon weathering powder. I have a USMC micro armor force with air support and even I was startled but how small the Valkyries are.

BTW the battroids really do come with an insane number of options. It made much more sense to put two on a sprue so they could have like 8 different left and right arms - instead of a smaller sprue with one per and only 4 different left and right arms.

The sprue designers also did some neat tricks to allow more interesting poses. You can see it on the GERWALK I assembled - the GU-11's top rear fin is cut a little short, so that it can but up against the upper arm/shoulder; same with the battroid's right arm - the GU-11 has an indent cut across the length of the gun so that when you affix it to the arm, it actually rests against the arm. These tricks allow the models to emulate more of an animation pose, versus say the Yamato/Arcadia 1/60 Valkyrie toys which - while you can get reallllly close - you're still limited by the fact it's a physical item and not animation, which can get away with exaggerating or diminishing certain details.

The plastruct really seem to fill most of the seams in those, and sanding that should be much, much easier than filling a gap afterwards. If that's so, it will make me much happier with the Spacy stuff, TBH. Thank you very much for the pic!

I still shudder to think how long it will take for the whole Showdown, though >_>

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
Just assembled Valkyrie fighter
easy peasy
except put the head on before the gun pod. I did not and I had to use tweezers to get the head there past the gun pod I had already used
it's very cute

How noticeable is the head? Would it ruin the overall look of the model just to leave it off?

On the fighter, you'll never see it, unless for some reason you were lying face up across your gaming table and had your Valkyries on really high flight stands. Perhaps you're dressed as a crashed Zentraedi cruiser and your friends are playing Robotech Tactics across your motionless body? But seriously, nah, it won't really matter if you don't plug the heads in, other than leave an empty indentation where the head is supposed to go. It'd bug me.

They give you a TON of heads though. Each Fighter and each GERWALK sprue comes with one each VF-1A (one part), 1J (two parts - head and then head lasers), 1S (two parts, left and right half), and 1R (two parts, head w/ single laser and second piece with two head lasers), and the Battroid sprue comes with two each VF-1A and 1R and one each 1J and 1S.

OH!!! And the missiles! dear god the missiles. Each fighter and GERWALK comes with dozens of missiles. The triple-cluster of missiles was kind of a pain to assemble, but the missile box and the RMS-1 nuclear missiles look way easy (I wonder if they'll make rules for tactical nukes!)


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 Albertorius wrote:
The plastruct really seem to fill most of the seams in those, and sanding that should be much, much easier than filling a gap afterwards. If that's so, it will make me much happier with the Spacy stuff, TBH. Thank you very much for the pic!

I still shudder to think how long it will take for the whole Showdown, though >_>

After the first of each (where you're discovering where each part goes and such), the second and subsequent become way easier. Each subsequent Regult after the first took maybe a song (was listening to a bunch of Front 242 and Metric). As I mentioned previously, cutting the parts out into little piles and assembly lining them makes it go real quick. The GERWALK took a good 30 minutes because of lining up the arms and extensive cursing. The Fighter took like 10 minutes, and the missiles another 10 minutes, but I can see assembly lining 3 at a time in the same amount of time.

There was a seam that was bugging me, though I cannot remember which one it is now and looking at the pics doesn't really help. I think maybe the GERWALK legs? Regardless I remember thinking I might rub some Vallejo liquid putty across it. But I think I might just prime these guys white maybe tonight to see if any seams show up after priming. That'll determine if I want to spend any extra time on them in the future with liquid putty.

 Albertorius wrote:
The plastruct really seem to fill most of the seams in those, and sanding that should be much, much easier than filling a gap afterwards. If that's so, it will make me much happier with the Spacy stuff, TBH. Thank you very much for the pic!
I still shudder to think how long it will take for the whole Showdown, though >_>

I find building models the easiest part of the hobby.
I am not looking forward to my first couple Veritechs, my big fingers are going to be a problem for these I suspect.

I must admit, playing with the models and making noises may be inevitable, I am glad my hobby area is a man-cave in the basement.

Will see if I can find plastruct in my area, practice on the sprues may give me an idea of what works best before melting itty bitty pieces.

The tone has changed slightly to excitement, but must remember, I am in Canada and got all kinds of options so Christmas may not be an unreasonable time to wait...

 Talizvar wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
The plastruct really seem to fill most of the seams in those, and sanding that should be much, much easier than filling a gap afterwards. If that's so, it will make me much happier with the Spacy stuff, TBH. Thank you very much for the pic!
I still shudder to think how long it will take for the whole Showdown, though >_>

I find building models the easiest part of the hobby.
I am not looking forward to my first couple Veritechs, my big fingers are going to be a problem for these I suspect.

I'm 6' and 180 lbs with big manly hands and I found the following areas difficult:
plugging in the head on the fighter (because I had glued the gunpod on the undercarriage first, so was in the way)
gluing the third missile to the triple-missile cluster
arranging the GERWALK shoulders/arms

the parts ARE small. If anyone only has experience with, say, Dark Vengeance and clip together models, this will be a challenge. I've put together micro armor, 1/72 plastic model kits, Battletech mechs (like the reseen mechs that come in like 500 parts), etc, so I'm used to small parts. I can easily imagine someone being overwhelmed - with the Valkyries at least. Since the Zentraedi models are 50-100% larger, they are MUCH easier to deal with.

 Talizvar wrote:
I must admit, playing with the models and making noises may be inevitable, I am glad my hobby area is a man-cave in the basement.

Will see if I can find plastruct in my area, practice on the sprues may give me an idea of what works best before melting itty bitty pieces.

The tone has changed slightly to excitement, but must remember, I am in Canada and got all kinds of options so Christmas may not be an unreasonable time to wait...

If Plastruct Plastic Weld is not in your area, it's just dichloromethane with a brush on applicator, there might be another manufacturer/brand.

Oh trust me you will be making lots of noises:
cursing
squeals of delight
zooming afterburners
more cursing
dakkadakka
explosiony noises
"oh, rick!"
triumphant cursing


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If you're going to use the Robotech Tactics rules, I would recommend assembling the mecha based on the introductory scenarios on page 73.

Scenario 1: 2 VF-1A (so 6 models) and 6 Regults.

Scenario 2: 3 VF-1A and 1 VF-1J (so 12 models) and 12 Regults.

Scenario 3: 3 VF-1A and 1 VF-1J, 12 Regults, 1 Glaug.

Scenario 4: 2 VF-1A, 1 VF-1J, 1 VF-1S, 2 Tomahawks, 12 Regults, 1 Glaug.

that way you can assemble some models, play a scenario, assemble more models, play the next scenario, etc.

 judgedoug wrote:
"oh, rick!"

To be in looooooove must be the sweetest feeling that a girl can feeeeeeel.

Exalted for the:

"oh, rick!"

 Manchu wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
"oh, rick!"

To be in looooooove must be the sweetest feeling that a girl can feeeeeeel.

To liiiive a dreeeaaammm with somebody you care about... like no one elllsseee.
A special man, a dearest maaann who needs to share his life with you alone.
Who'll hold you close and feel things... that only love brings, to know that he is all your ownnn!!

Seriously though, I love Minmei. RoboTech would not be RoboTech without Minmei.

 Manchu wrote:
Seriously though, I love Minmei. RoboTech would not be RoboTech without Minmei.

To be fair she's quite likable in Macross Ai Oboete Imasu Ka (where that gif is from). Actually it's Misa who is whiny in the movie. You've seen the Macross movie right?

 judgedoug wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
Seriously though, I love Minmei. RoboTech would not be RoboTech without Minmei.

To be fair she's quite likable in Macross Ai Oboete Imasu Ka (where that gif is from). Actually it's Misa who is whiny in the movie. You've seen the Macross movie right?

It was my very first contact with Robotech/Macross (first VHS tape I ever rented). Love it to bits, even though it has some weird stuff. Robotech was... alright, in comparison, but...

 Albertorius wrote:
It was my very first contact with Robotech/Macross (first VHS tape I ever rented). Love it to bits, even though it has some weird stuff. Robotech was... alright, in comparison, but...

I hope it was the uncut Macross and not the horribly cut Clash of the Bionoids! Someone decided to remove like 30 minutes of, y'know, plot, from Macross and release that abomination, haha.

 judgedoug wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
It was my very first contact with Robotech/Macross (first VHS tape I ever rented). Love it to bits, even though it has some weird stuff. Robotech was... alright, in comparison, but...

I hope it was the uncut Macross and not the horribly cut Clash of the Bionoids! Someone decided to remove like 30 minutes of, y'know, plot, from Macross and release that abomination, haha.

We didn't get that thing over here Not sure why, but hey, won't complain.

Japanese Minmei is way less annoying to me. Also Mari lijima was just at macrossworld 2014 last weekend in LA last weekend and I missed it. So sad.

 Swabby wrote:
Japanese Minmei is way less annoying to me. Also Mari lijima was just at macrossworld 2014 last weekend in LA last weekend and I missed it. So sad.

Yep, Minmay is way less annoying in the original series, and in the movie and Flashback 2012 she's kinda great. Mari Ijima helps A LOT in that, though.

Of course, she's no Sharon Apple or Sheryl Nome, and if you really want annoying, take a look at Ranka...

Macross DYRL and Flashback 2012 are also two of the only places where Haruhiko Mikimoto's beautiful and distinctive character designs are accurately portrayed in animation.
Especially Flashback 2012. The animation is incredible and looks like Mikimoto drew every frame.

Ah man why the Ranka hate? She has done wonders for Nyan Nyan publicity.

Nooooooo I can't stand Macross 7 or Frontier!

edit: and we are wayyyy off topic now

But I love M7 and MF. I even have some of the valkyries from both shows in 1/60.

 Cypher-xv wrote:
But I love M7 and MF. I even have some of the valkyries from both shows in 1/60.

Kinda not a fan of any of the mecha designs after the VF-11. Also not a fan of the plots, or really any of the characters, in M7 and MF
I've got a 1/48 Yamato VF-1J Super and a 1/60v2 Yamato VF-1S Strike on display in my office at work Keepin' it oldschool!

judgedoug wrote:Macross DYRL and Flashback 2012 are also two of the only places where Haruhiko Mikimoto's beautiful and distinctive character designs are accurately portrayed in animation.
Especially Flashback 2012. The animation is incredible and looks like Mikimoto drew every frame.

I loved Macross 7 Trash back in the day, even if Mikimoto's style had changed a lot over time.

Swabby wrote:Ah man why the Ranka hate? She has done wonders for Nyan Nyan publicity.

She kind of gets on my nerves. I liked her on the movies, though.

judgedoug wrote:Nooooooo I can't stand Macross 7 or Frontier!

Cypher-xv wrote:But I love M7 and MF. I even have some of the valkyries from both shows in 1/60.

I love them, TBH, even though M7 went down, down the stupid hole.

judgedoug wrote:edit: and we are wayyyy off topic now

That we are ^^

Macross: The first is way cool tool! Mikimoto retells the TV series and takes a detour. Too bad we'll never see it in english like Gundam:Origin. Ranka's not bad. Sheryl is better. Nothing beats Sharon Apple especially when it goes crazy.


Lots of inspirational stuff there for playing RTT. There are some great still images to use for terrain ideas for buildings and roads. More than in SDFM or DYRL. There, back on topic.

I plan on Playing my Macross 4CD set on loop while playing and Building.

Notice Ben was so "American"

I remember being incredulous the first time I found out (many if not most) anime characters are supposed to be Japanese.

Hey, now that some people actually have their stuff, maybe we can get an answer to the Recovery Pod question?

On the picture in Update 139, the picture of the Recovery Pod,
appeared to be missing the pin on what I *think* is the left arm outer cowling (second piece from the left, top of the left sprue). There was speculation that it was either a poorly lit picture, a snapped piece, a short shot, or possibly even not a part of the final (at that point at least) mold. It was never answered at the time. Just curious if it was corrected in the final production.

There is a peg in the hollow of that piece on the sprues I received.

Like the small laser mounts on Wasp and Stingers I take it. As in when opening the container/package treat it like its a bomb in case something small and insignificant is thrown away Manchu?

 Manchu wrote:
There is a peg in the hollow of that piece on the sprues I received.

Coolies. It was a bit disconcerting for some that it wasn't answered at the time, highlighting the communication issues that were going on. Glad it was sorted out.

 Jihadin wrote:
Like the small laser mounts on Wasp and Stingers I take it. As in when opening the container/package treat it like its a bomb in case something small and insignificant is thrown away Manchu?

No. Back when they first showed off the Recovery Pod sprues, there were two pieces that connected; one had a peg, the other had a hole. This was something that you got two of (left and right), and an eagle eyed soul noticed that the second set had the hole, but no peg; either a sprue design flaw or a short shot or whatever.

While a minor thing, keep in mind how much gak some people were feeling they'd been fed, how getting solid info out of them seemed to be like pulling teeth, and suddenly what they were showing off not only wasn't "mouth watering" and in a kajillion pieces, but QA seemed iffy as well, and some people got pretty antsy.

 Jihadin wrote:
As in when opening the container/package treat it like its a bomb in case something small and insignificant is thrown away Manchu?

Forar answered about the peg but I will say I basically treat all miniature kits just as you describe.

Hello all! posted this up yesterday, but forgot to repost it here. I took a crack at the Defender (Or Rifleman, for us Inner Sphere types) and here’s some thoughts about it. Similar to my Spartan review, It's pretty in depth, but you can skip to the end for final verdicts.

I’m seeing some consistent trends with the RDF minis here. While the layout of the sprue is more open for the most part, some pieces are wedged in there pretty good and on a few of them the connection between part and sure is in an awkward location. The gun barrels in particular are crammed in there and will need EXTEMELY careful cutting. The piece count is once again high. However, things are starting to look up with this mini, and it is overall better than the Spartan. As always, final grade is at the end if you want to skip ahead.

The Build:

The torso area goes together well, but still too many piece to do so; the back plate may initially feel like it doesn’t fit, but it does, it actually snaps on a bit to be more secure. Be warned, there’s a massive seam running down the cockpit, and some mold lines on the left and right torso.

The waist plug that connects to the torso is shallow, but works, and most importantly allows you to rotate the torso for your final pose. Just to be clear, this part will need glued together, but you do have some choice in it its final pose. This will also be true for a couple other parts of the mini.
The legs fit together fairly well, with two pin connectors that fit the two halves together; connection to foot is also very solid, while it’s a small tab a lot of the foot fits flush with the leg for a good glue surface, and the foot itself will give a stable gluing connection to the base. *HOWEVER*, of the pieces I put together both have a minor gap near the bottom of the shin and one leg half was slightly offset from the other. As mentioned above, the legs are connected with 2 pins inside, so there’s not much leeway to slip up or down. I suspect this is a manufacturing error, the good news is on mine at least it’s small enough that once the model is assembled and painted neither of these things will ever be noticed. We’ll need more data from other backers to see if this is consistent, or just variations in the casting process. I suspect the latter.

On first glance, especially after the Spartan, the hip joints looked bad, but even after a quick dry fit I felt better about them. They look a little tenuous, but there’s enough surface area there to form a good bond. Also, they let you manipulate the legs a little bit for your pose, which is another good thing. For the most part, I really like the detail of the legs. I feel like they got that right, minus the thigh hole. By now you’ll have noticed the strange hole on the thighs. If you look at some art images of the Defender, this is meant to be a spotlight or running light, or possibly access port. Its purpose seems to vary a bit from art to art, and in fact some drawings don’t have them. They chose to try and put it on the mini, however, and to be blunt they failed. At this scale, it doesn’t look like anything other than a hole. I suspect some thoughtful paint application will make it look better, though some may wish to fill it. The other issue with the legs is that they too have joined the seam party, and I actually think they look a little worse than the Spartan.

The arms are pretty good, and the shoulder joint can rotate to your desired pose as well. The bad news is this joint is quite shallow, but it connects well enough. The forearm gun barrels plug right in, but the piece is slightly asymmetrical so I would advise looking close at the directions to make sure they are put in the right way.

THE GOOD STUFF: Some good poseability at the waist, thigh and shoulders. Details are pretty good overall, this looks much more like what I wanted. Good connections for most the pieces involved, all of them have at least one pin ridge or plug that connects it to the other pieces, making it a much more solid model, as well as a much easier build. While the bottom of the foot is hollow, there’s at least more total connection area to glue to the base, and the pose is also much more stable. Also, as you can see the mini can stand on its own very easily.

THE BAD STUFF: That damn seam down the cockpit is always gonna be front and center. The leg seams are pretty apparent as well. The Thigh Hole is a thing. Part count is still a bit high; the torso in particular. The shoulder connections are very shallow; they should have been deeper. While functional, time will tell if they become a structural weak point.

FINAL VERDICT: B – We’re getting better, and it does look pretty cool. Once I had it all together, the front seam was not the dealbreaker I thought it would be, For many of you, your personal verdict will be lower than mine but for me despite the front and center seam, and some slight manufacturing defects, the detail on this one feels and looks much better, and the poseability goes a long way. I do think the waist could have been made better by making it a ball joint instead of a plug, adding even more options. That’s the kind of extra design choice and finishing touch that would have put these over the top (well, that and minimizing the mistakes and strange choices.) Some good ideas can be seen here, and some bad as well. As it is, so far the RDF minis range from acceptable to good, and this one is much better than the Spartan.

Something I’ll test something out on this one tonight; I have some liquid green stuff (think of Green Stuff as a sculpting putty if you’re new to it.) that you can simply brush on and I think a quick pass with it will be enough to fix the seam. But it’s worth noting, that’s a step that shouldn’t be needed in the first place. Still, it should be a quick fix; I’ll post an addendum when I do so.
Tomorrow, we’ll try the Veritech Fighter!

Yeah, I haven't had many problems with seams 'cuz the plastic weld melts pieces together so well, but that center line gap is just absurdly bad. I was thinking of doing my destroids tonight, depending on when the lady's hair appointment is, so I'll post my own short-sentences-on-my-phone reviews

 Terwallace wrote:
Hello all! posted this up yesterday, but forgot to repost it here. I took a crack at the Defender (Or Rifleman, for us Inner Sphere types) and here’s some thoughts about it. Similar to my Spartan review, It's pretty in depth, but you can skip to the end for final verdicts. <snip>

Good review, I was able to follow all that.
Some questions now that you have all the parts in front of you:

1) Is there one leg assembly and then the option for "warhammer" or "rifleman" torso? I may have missed this being answered earlier. If there are options, magnets at the waist may be easily doable?

2) For shoulder and hip assemblies, do you think they would benefit from "pinning"? I hate weak joins (why I am hunting down glue that welds) so some strengthening may be in order.

3) Considering size and detail, would you recommend certain parts of assembly being kept separate for painting or all together should work out? (From the photos I would figure all one piece should work).

4) Any areas to look out for when clipping off the sprue? (Like the dreaded "cut the wrong part first and the other section snaps off...).

5) That "seam" in the front, is it an actual "mate-up" seam or a bit of a design flaw of the die making the joining sections longer than they should be (sanding the two sides a bit may correct?).

Thanks!

 Talizvar wrote:

Some questions now that you have all the parts in front of you:

1) Is there one leg assembly and then the option for "warhammer" or "rifleman" torso? I may have missed this being answered earlier. If there are options, magnets at the waist may be easily doable?

I can answer this - the leg assembles, much like the Phalanx, while similar, and based on the same core shared locomotive design (in the fluff), are actually different: the upper outside thighs/hips of the Defender, Tomahawk, and Phalanx, all have different storage box configurations.

I've got a lot of pics (56) from unboxing and working on the Battlesystems terrain for the table. Would you guys prefer me to post the pics and my explanations here or just put all the pics on a google drive and let you sift through them?


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OK, 32 are from the terrain and the other 24 are from the unboxing.

Probably Google or imgur or hosted elsewhere that a single link can take us to the gallery
I think both let you put a description on each image though

Showdown Pics
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B0VSNzmthd1vNnB4UWlYZEJfcU0&usp=sharing

Terrain
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B0VSNzmthd1vT19Yem9zNHhsaEk&usp=sharing


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I'll see if I can label them

Photobucket is good for that as well.

Oh excellent, so the Expansion Boxes each have a decal sheet? That's fantastic!

Thanks Talisvar!

Hopefully these answers will help you out!


1) Is there one leg assembly and then the option for "warhammer" or "rifleman" torso? I may have missed this being answered earlier. If there are options, magnets at the waist may be easily doable?

To add on to what Judgedoug said, the Warhammer and Rifleman will be on completely different sprues, 2 warhammers on one and 2 rifelmen on a different one.

2) For shoulder and hip assemblies, do you think they would benefit from "pinning"? I hate weak joins (why I am hunting down glue that welds) so some strengthening may be in order.

Depending on the mini, pinning could definitely help. of the 2 I've reviewed so far, the Rifleman could benefit from at waist and shoulder; the plugs are a bit shallow. I don't know that it will be needed, but it won't hurt.

3) Considering size and detail, would you recommend certain parts of assembly being kept separate for painting or all together should work out? (From the photos I would figure all one piece should work).

For the Spartan/Archer and the Rifleman, I think you could paint it as a single piece without too much difficulty. You might want to consider painting the bottom of the Spartan/Archer's feet before putting it on a base however. (They're arched, so you'll seen them even when based.)

4) Any areas to look out for when clipping off the sprue? (Like the dreaded "cut the wrong part first and the other section snaps off...).

Ok , figured out how to change pic names in Google. Things should have a description now even if the description is short.

Hey all! Today’s review is the Veritech Fighter mode.

A quick caveat to all this: The flight stand won’t have any bearing on the final grade. I used it this time to see how it works and review it, and I’ll definitely be covering it, but I don’t think it’s fair to judge it as part of this particular model when despite their differences between minis they’re basically a product wide choice. The review is a little shorter this time as it’s a much simpler and easier model, and as always you can skip ahead to the end verdict and highlights if needed.

This will probably be the easiest RDF mini you build, and certainly the fastest on average! Provided you do it all in a certain order. The instructions don’t show any order to it, so I’ve gone over it in the build section. Follow that path and you should be just fine.

THE BUILD:

The main fuselage goes right together and it’s your starting point, but it’s a little bit of a loose fit where the wings plug in. Thankfully, once plugged in the wings fix this issue, and you can’t see it. Do take some care to line the wings up straight and level though. From here, assemble (if needed) and glue the head/lasers on underneath. Most of the head choices are single pieces, but for this I went with the quad, and you will have to glue that version's lasers to the head. Be warned, this part is extremely small and fiddly. Annoyingly so. It will attach to fuselage very well though, and the majority you build will be the basic one piece head which will be easier. Next, attach the Gun Pod in the center. It attaches from the gungrip, and it’s a good fit. As you can see, it will want to angle downward at the front, because of the slight angle of the undercarriage and one of the gun fins will also direct it that way. I don’t mind that so much on this on visually, but you may consider cutting that fin off the gun pod to secure a tighter fit to the main body. It’s very important that you put the Head/Lasers part on first, BEFORE the gun pod. If you put the gun pod on first, you will not be able to put the head/laser unit on. After that, the legs/engines should be assembled and then attached to the body. The legs/engines themselves could go together better and join the seam club, but at least they fit very snug to the body. (Side note, take a quick look at the instructions to make sure they’re right side up.) Finally, attach the tail fins. These don’t have a very strict fit or obvious attachment point. You can see how they’re supposed to attach, but it’s less plug and play and more hold it at your desired angle until the glue dries. I didn’t use any of the missile options yet, but you can attach those after assembly quite easily.

And now the flight stand. Ugh. The flight stands are ugly, especially in brown. I’ll suggest some ideas/alternatives for them below, but first the physical part. It’s pretty thin, and tapers from bottom to top. The bottom where it attaches to the base is narrow enough, but the connection to model is precarious as all hell. There’s a tiny slot at the top that attaches to the gun barrel, and it won’t take much effort at all to break that. A little downward force and it’ll snap right at that joint. And I’m saying this because mine did just that. I’m hoping the others are better. If you’re up for it, I’d suggest finding an alternative stand of your choice. Many other companies make clear flight stands, but these would require some light drilling into the base and mini both to use. If you are going to use the swoosh flight stand supplied on the sprue, be careful. Also, if you do use them and you’re painting your minis, you’ll need to consider what to paint them. If you’re not painting the base, I’d simply paint them black. Or you could also use them as a way to tell which of your squads is which. (I.E. Squad one could all have blue stands, squad 2 all red, etc.) This lets you keep some kind of squad consistency without them all having to have the same paint job.

Detail wise, I have no particular issues; it looks pretty much right and it’s much sharper than the pictures we’ve seen suggested. At this point I really believe the brown plastic just photographs ugly. Looking at it top down, you can see a lot of good detail. The wings look a little thick and flat on the front edge, but not all that bad. It’s something that’s magnified in the pictures, but better in person. There's also a small seam issue running down the center of the nose.

THE GOOD THINGS: A lot of good detail can be found here, and the mini goes together very easily once you know the order. There’s lots of good extras in the form of the missile options and head/laser options. Also, this is the first RDF mini that didn’t feel like it had too many parts. It does look pretty cool, even downright badass from the front. I may or may not have flown it around the room making engine noises.

THE BAD THINGS: Some of the connections are not intuitive and a little loose and require some fitting or adjusting on your part. Gorram those head/laser units are tiny…prepare to get glue on your fingers. Finally, I forsee a lot of broken flight stands in the future.

Final Verdict: B+ Piece count is way down, and easy build. Very cool looking, but needed some final polish and attention to detail to put it over the top. Still, once it’s built, it’s fun and does look pretty cool.

Next up: Recovery Pod!

Looking at what has been coming with Wave 1 shipment for Battle Cry which looks something like:

1 Core Box +
- 2x Veritech (each mode)
- 2x Spartan Destroid
- 2x Phalanx Destroid
- 4x Destroid
- 1x Glaug Battlepod
- 2x Quiel-Regult
- 4x Artillery Battlepod
- 6x Regult Battlepod

If that correct? It seems like it would be better to wait until retail and get 2 Core Boxes, Artilery Battlepod, Spartan, Destroid Pack for $220-$230 if you are just looking at Wave 1 and don't mind waiting longer.

You're missing some.

Wave One of a BC is;

Core box (5 VTs, an extra Battloid, 2 Defenders, 2 Tomahawks, 12 Battlepods, 1 Officer's Pod, 1 Recovery Pod, 1 Recon pod)

4 more VTs
2 Spartans, 2 Phalanx
12 more Battlepods
1 more command pack (1 each Officer's Pod, Recon, Recovery)
4 Artillery/Support Pods.

A BC is in total 97 figures, with Wave 1 accounting for 70 of them. The remaining 27 will be delivered roughly *insert date here*.

MSRP of a BC's wave one is around $350 or so, meaning even at 25-40% off, a BC was well worth what we paid for it (assuming one actually wants ALL the models), and wave 2 is basically 'profit' above and beyond that.

Wave 1
Veritechs 9
Battlepods 24
Glaug 2
Tomahawks 2
Defenders 2
Scout Pods 2
Spartan 2
Phalanx 2
Artillery Pods 4
Recovery Pods 2
69

Wave 2
Rick 1
Roy 1
Khyron 1
Miriya 1
Gnerls 3
Male Power Armor 3
Super VT's 2
Female Power Armor 3
Lancer II 2
Ghost Fighters 2
96 Total

This might help

70/97, Mike.

You're forgetting the extra Battloid.

Edit: not that I expect many people to care much about one extra Battloid. Personally I'm thinking I'll cut mine up/damage them for objective markers.

Point Forar!

Great. That helps out a lot to get a baseline for everything.

So pledge tab is where you put what you got.

Zen is where you choose what forces you will have. I assumed normal Artillery Pods and Regults as having interchangeable top parts. Khyron and Miriya are simply added to the Total # of Glaugs and Female Power Armor.

Copy and Paste the first 3 columns on the Zen tab to the Zen Colors worksheet once you decide on how you want your minis organized. Then you can place pics with the colors to the right to keep you on track.


Rinse and repeat with the UEDF and UEDF Colors tabs. The Squad Orgs simply tells you what units are in what types of squadrons and helps you calculate the stuff on the Zen and UEDF tabs.

Oh nice. I didn't know you we're making a force organization tool.

Thanks, that'll be helpful.

Oh, btw, is the "you may never have more than two S type VTs still 'a thing' in the rules?

Don't think the more than one VF-1S is an issue. I don't remember it being in the rules. Now VF-1J's ONLY come with a squadron so I did mention that oversight to PB a while back and wound up making my own VF-1J support cards. That way in a skirmish game you can take one VF-1J and a Valk Wing.....Vermillion anyone?

Did PB keep LOS as is, with the middle of the model being in sight?

Mike, did you get 3 boxed games in a Showdown or did you already have a 3rd box?

I'm pretty sure he said he ordered a Showdown and an extra BC.

Still weird (and ridiculous for shipping) that there wasn't simply a 3 box tier. (edit: for clarity; because of that, it cost more to ship 3 boxes than it did 4. That's just strange.)

Far as I know, BS was the only one to be given a box up front, and that was of the three they brought with them to Gencon.

I ordered a SD + a BC but the pledge was a SD

Still no email from PB. :(

Yeah, I keep looking at 9 Valks and thinking that's not enough. Then I remember that I'm getting a showdown. THen I think 9 more would be a nice Carrier Air wing and a couple of spares to crash.

Well, the 'standard' recommended game at 300 points can fit a max of three Squads (240 points) and two 1S VT Special cards, for a total of 14 VTs.

Granted, one could paint up dozens in different pairs or quartets or full 9 VT sets (Squad, 2 Supports, one S), but unless playing larger games (and yes, many people are excited by the idea of having giant waves of stuff on the table at once), a Showdown covers off what can be fielded pretty well.

Remember, with Wave 2 you'll at least be getting Rick and Roy, plus a pair of Super VTs, bumping that number up a bit higher (though that'll be... quite a while away).

But yeah, 9 is a bit of a short load. On the up side, $70 or so for another Core set would bump you up to 14 (coincidence? I think not!) and give you more Destroids, Battlepods and Command Pods to work with. And if you're not interested in playing Zentraedi, hopefully there'll be some cost effective secondary market buys to snag to help round out your flight numbers.

For those who haven't seen, the Palladium Weekly Update is out.

Robotech® RPG Tactics™

We are delighted to be shipping product. Something like a dozen local Kickstarter backers have swung by the office to pick up their packages. Joe in Clawson picked his up just this morning. Most who do have also gotten a chance to see what the game pieces look like built and painted, and are quite excited to start building their own. Nice.

We welcome those of you in the area to swing on over to pick up your Wave One Kickstarter items. We will be working away throughout the weekends, so you can pick up your RRPGT package between 10:00 AM and 6:00 PM Saturday and Sunday. HOWEVER, please call first (734-721-2903)! We need to find, pull and gather your rewards so it is properly invoiced for our records and waiting for you when you arrive. Thank you. If you just show up out of the blue, you will NOT be able to get your RRPGT items. It must be part of a batch for shipping and inventory purposes.

FYI: In order to speed up our shipping processes and get as many packages out as quickly as we can, we are shipping in groups of like combinations (one or two items, prints only, etc.), with the largest batches of identical orders first. So right now we are shipping Battle Cry rewards, next will be Showdown, followed by Reckless and so on. We are shipping domestic orders/USA first because they are much faster to process (no Customs documentation to fill out for each package), and then Canada and overseas. We anticipate all Wave One Kickstarter rewards to have left the Palladium warehouse by the end of October. Robotech® RPG Tactics™ products should appear in stores before Thanksgiving.

Container #3 for Robotech® RPG Tactics™ remains stranded in port, waiting to be placed on a damn truck and shipped to Palladium. The problem is that the terminal is congested, over-booked and short on trailer chassis, so we are stuck in limbo. Container #4 has arrived at a different terminal and is likely to arrive at the same time or even BEFORE Container #3. How crazy is that. And frustrating as hell. At this point, all we can do is take things in stride and deal with it as best we can. We are poised to ship like demons as soon as either one of those containers arrives.

Container #4 is in port and should be put on rail by early next week and sent on its way to us. Container #5 is at sea, and Containers #6 and #7 are at the port in China, about to be loaded on their ship.

So, the salient points I see, are

1) If you're local, you can jump the queue. No real problem with that. But given how friendly and accomodating they are (by all reports, something they're good at), how much time is that taking from the shipping/other duties. A quarter hour meet and greet is one thing. A hour long tour and discussion, is another.
2) Seriously? They're still sending out "prints only" packs? The crap that could have been sent out literally a year ago?
3) EU was always going to be last. Now we know RoW is last too. Was expected, except as it relates to point 7.
4) Mike, looks like you were an exception. I'm OK with that, but it's written there "next WILL be Showdown". Indicating they haven't started on those for the rank and file yet.
5) They anticipated shipping 1000 by the end of this week (10 calendar days). They don't update us on hitting that milestone. They anticipate sending another 3500 in the next 20 calendar days, including the more difficult "Customs required" stuff. Depending on how many EU ones there are, and how they organize collation (are they going to be individually boxed, just requiring a shipping label, or is the consignment place going to pack the orders themselves?), that could take a little bit of time off, I guess. Still, not looking good for their estimate.
6) Still no real confirmation about their EU shipping partner. Sure, they could have everything ironed out, contracts locked, and the staff waiting to get cracking. Or, it could still be up in the air, because heck, it's still Palladium.
7) In stores November. So they have finally abandoned their previous statement that "backers get theirs first" to "backers get sent theirs first, but retailers will have it up for direct sale well before then". Because if RoW is left until last, Australians and EUians will likely be able to get it from US retailers before it arrives from PB. For Aussies, I believe PB are using USPS, and I can't see them paying for the faster service. And for EUians, because the container will probably take a good 4-6 weeks from the "end of the month", putting it into early/mid December.
8) Container 3 is delayed. Bwahaha! So, that's 3 for 3. Karma sure is bitchy. Of course, they have high hopes for C#4. How crazy is that? About as crazy as their original estimations on shipping. Exactly that amount of crazy. But delays like this, and they're still confidant that it'll all be done in 20 days? Given that the next container is at least a week out, assuming NO FURTHER ISSUES. Optimism is good. Overoptimism and setting up expectations, ain't.
9) So they're "poised to ship like demons" when it arrives. So, does that mean they've been taking it easy so far?

All of this will likely be copy/pasted into a KS Update in the next day or so, so that, you know, Backers can be "informed".

Speaking of copy/paste, from later in the Update...
"Retail Release Date: In stores September, 2014."

Great proofreading again, there, guys. At least they realized it on their WebStore, and removed the date. Probably because some poor sap tried to order it (it being available from September), and them realizing the mistake after the fact.

With wayne out for the weekend does anyone else know how to use a computer? Print a UPS label? update addresses?

So dudes (and dudettes) who have the minis, would you recommend the game (and minis) as a pick-up for some friends that like Robotech and have been on the fence about this?
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In other words, is it worth it for me and some peeps at my locals?

 Ironwill13791 wrote:
So dudes (and dudettes) who have the minis, would you recommend the game (and minis) as a pick-up for some friends that like Robotech and have been on the fence about this?
In other words, is it worth it for me and some peeps at my locals?

The 40k players also wanna know...

But I am a 40k playa. Been playing templars since 3rd ed.

I played Battletech since '88 and up to 96-97 or when RalPartha lost the lawsuit and WizKids took to Dark/Mechwarrior......always love the Mech's and kept them alland even over time I expanded on the Regiment and Galaxy. I am semi retiring 40K and I've a huge collection of 40K but ROBOTECH!!! I grew up on this cartoon!!!....


Also I am a Movement Coordinator and deal with the issues with what they are having with #3 and maybe #4. They did not coordinate the pick up with a flat bed service. Once a container arrives at the port there are documentation (also inputted into (TCAIMS) who to contact for pick up after it passes customs (from what I read on the first screw up when the containers arrive was a copy right issue "flag"). They're coordinating after being informed of its arrival instead of coordinating before it arrives. Its costing them more money for a holding/storage fee until removal

 Jihadin wrote:
I played Battletech since '88 and up to 96-97 or when RalPartha lost the lawsuit and WizKids took to Dark/Mechwarrior......always love the Mech's and kept them alland even over time I expanded on the Regiment and Galaxy. I am semi retiring 40K and I've a huge collection of 40K but ROBOTECH!!! I grew up on this cartoon!!!....


Also I am a Movement Coordinator and deal with the issues with what they are having with #3 and maybe #4. They did not coordinate the pick up with a flat bed service. Once a container arrives at the port there are documentation (also inputted into (TCAIMS) who to contact for pick up after it passes customs (from what I read on the first screw up when the containers arrive was a copy right issue "flag"). They're coordinating after being informed of its arrival instead of coordinating before it arrives. Its costing them more money for a holding/storage fee until removal

Yeah, that makes sense to me. It's almost as if they think moving a container is as easy as calling UPS for pickup. "Hey I got this container that is at the Port of LA can you pick it up today? No? how about tomorrow? No? How about...

I just bought 2 storm claw boxes over the summer. Becasue you can never have too many orks or marines even if they don't have all their shots. I never cared for any of the figures of any mech game. They all seemed blocky and crude. Of course it was hard to live up to the artwork of the unseen. I did like RP's Battlemaster. Thier AD&D line is still some of the best fantasy figures I've seen. I did do Robotech RPG for a while in the 90s. Wish I had minis for that back then.

 Jihadin wrote:

Also I am a Movement Coordinator and deal with the issues with what they are having with #3 and maybe #4. They did not coordinate the pick up with a flat bed service.

Isnt that what a freight forwarder is for? They handle all the paperwork, customs, matching containrs to ships and actually delivering the container to a premesis? (thats what happens with the company I was last working for)

Or are you suggesting they decided to do it all themselves? That would be a pretty dumb move, but not out of the realms of possibility

 MangoMadness wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:

Also I am a Movement Coordinator and deal with the issues with what they are having with #3 and maybe #4. They did not coordinate the pick up with a flat bed service.

Isnt that what a freight forwarder is for? They handle all the paperwork, customs, matching containrs to ships and actually delivering the container to a premesis? (thats what happens with the company I was last working for)

Or are you suggesting they decided to do it all themselves? That would be a pretty dumb move, but not out of the realms of possibility

Every container that comes in has its on serial number plus an RFID tag and inputted in a computer program that tracks containers of a regualr small conex to a 20 ft conex to a 40ft container conex. Its like transferring a hand reciept of an item by each "stops" it makes. The Inventory invoice number is matched with the container number.

Example

40 foot container arrives with serial number WTH174B26 and the "Inventory Sheet Number for container WTH174B26" is glued/taped/welded/spray painted on the container itself. Plus the RFID Tag will correspond with the container, inventory, and in TCAIMS/Port Entry Port Exit Container tracker" Bah it looks like this



Pull up the TCN number


From there you can find


Which would contain the POC and destination of cargo

All one has to do is provide in a nut shell
Example given
W9JA310031AMC36A01

That set of numbers there will bring up everything there is required for transportation, customs, and POC
Customs is up to 8 forms with a container of this type. One of the big "flags" from good coming from Japan and South Korea is Copy Right type of merchandise. Harmony Gold would have given a memo with a stamp of approval per TCN number per container

So if four Container it would look like
W9JA310031AMC36A01
W9JA310031AMC36A02
W9JA310031AMC36A03
W9JA310031AMC36A04

Each with its own set of documents relating to the TCN number........now who did I confuse lol




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 MangoMadness wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:

Also I am a Movement Coordinator and deal with the issues with what they are having with #3 and maybe #4. They did not coordinate the pick up with a flat bed service.

Isnt that what a freight forwarder is for? They handle all the paperwork, customs, matching containrs to ships and actually delivering the container to a premesis? (thats what happens with the company I was last working for)

Or are you suggesting they decided to do it all themselves? That would be a pretty dumb move, but not out of the realms of possibility

I do not think they're (Individuals who are running the KickStarter Robotech) are providing all information needed for a smooth hand over of good point to point. Everything should be lined up for the Individual who is running the container yard to contact the individual POC info to a smooth transition.

Who didn't see them shipping to retailers before every backer got theirs coming? I'd hate to call Kevin a filthy dirty liar because I feel it's unfair to the other filthy dirty liars, but I don't think there's any adjectives present in modern day language that can be used to adequately describe him.

Sining wrote:
Who didn't see them shipping to retailers before every backer got theirs coming? I'd hate to call Kevin a filthy dirty liar because I feel it's unfair to the other filthy dirty liars, but I don't think there's any adjectives present in modern day language that can be used to adequately describe him.

Priority is to the one's who made the Pledge to kick this off. Its OWED to them (Pledgers) to get their stuff first since they funded the entire program. Though I am wondering now how many "containers" of merchandise are coming to get it to the retailers

Are we still doing the numbers thing? I backed a Showdown plus extras, backer #5679 and backer kit #796 and I'm not expecting to see any of my stuff before 2015

 Jihadin wrote:

I do not think they're (Individuals who are running the KickStarter Robotech) are providing all information needed for a smooth hand over of good point to point. Everything should be lined up for the Individual who is running the container yard to contact the individual POC info to a smooth transition.

What I meant was that Palladium dont own their own trucks so instead of palladium being in contact with the dock for updates on 1 container (at a time) and also in contact with a freight company to use a single truck they would use a freight forwarding company that is in liason with 100's of customers and dealing with freight companies supplying trucks to deliver the containers.

That way the freight forwarding company says X customers container is ready at 2pm, Y at 2:10, Z at 2:20, suddenly X container is flagged for customs inspection then the freight company just shifts its trucks slightly to accomodate (the common) re-jigging of containers.

If it was done on an individual basis then the driver gets back in his truck, radio's the control room and says 'no container today' and then has to be allocated by the company as required which is horribly inefficient especially when the container is released by customs and palladium calls the freight company to get a truck and the company says 'well, pretty booked out, how about next wednesday' which incurs container storage costs (as you mention) and increases the delays.

Incidently this is what I didnt understand about the Mercs Myth KS, they mention that the container sat on the dock for around 10(i think) days as they tried to find a driver/truck to deliver it. I didnt really understand why as a freight forwarding company (if used) should have been all over it.

I dunno, maybe the US docks work differently to here

NTRabbit wrote:
Are we still doing the numbers thing? I backed a Showdown plus extras, backer #5679 and backer kit #796 and I'm not expecting to see any of my stuff before 2015

Hell, I'm at KS# 31 and BK# 308 and I'm beginning to think I won't see mine until then either.

November is definitely looking iffy at this rate, and with the holiday shipping snarls and the holidays, a few weeks of delays could happen without much trouble at all.

 MangoMadness wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:

I do not think they're (Individuals who are running the KickStarter Robotech) are providing all information needed for a smooth hand over of good point to point. Everything should be lined up for the Individual who is running the container yard to contact the individual POC info to a smooth transition.

What I meant was that Palladium dont own their own trucks so instead of palladium being in contact with the dock for updates on 1 container (at a time) and also in contact with a freight company to use a single truck they would use a freight forwarding company that is in liason with 100's of customers and dealing with freight companies supplying trucks to deliver the containers.

That way the freight forwarding company says X customers container is ready at 2pm, Y at 2:10, Z at 2:20, suddenly X container is flagged for customs inspection then the freight company just shifts its trucks slightly to accomodate (the common) re-jigging of containers.

If it was done on an individual basis then the driver gets back in his truck, radio's the control room and says 'no container today' and then has to be allocated by the company as required which is horribly inefficient especially when the container is released by customs and palladium calls the freight company to get a truck and the company says 'well, pretty booked out, how about next wednesday' which incurs container storage costs (as you mention) and increases the delays.

Incidently this is what I didnt understand about the Mercs Myth KS, they mention that the container sat on the dock for around 10(i think) days as they tried to find a driver/truck to deliver it. I didnt really understand why as a freight forwarding company (if used) should have been all over it.

I dunno, maybe the US docks work differently to here

That's 10 days worth of profit for the container yard
HEHE anyone mention that on their customer complaint form like "Get a Movement Coordinator"

At this point, it seems like my pledge level is meaningless and my pledge number means nothing (don't remember what it was and can't find it anywhere on the Backer sight...). Stuff has been divided into waves, the box set contents has changed (hasn't it?Or what? I have no idea), and there is stuff that isn't out yet until like Wave 3-4.

In other words, I have a long list of stuff that's supposedly coming to me, but I have no idea in how many "Waves" or what exactly, I'm supposed to be getting in my first "shipment". Or, even better yet as I added on a MK-III Monster, YF-4 Valkyrie, and SDF-1, will I even get an an initial shipment of anything or will I have to wait until they make/ship my add-ons? Horribly frustrating.

I just can't believe that those that basically spent the least, that didn't have any "add-on's" are getting their stuff first. This whole Kickstarter... just boggles the mind.

Disagree. Pledge level matters in that if you have a Battle Cry coming, you should get your stuff before someone with a Showdown, for example. Being in the US means getting it before those outside the US. And "Wave 2 add ons" like a MAC-II or SDF-1 shouldn't influence your order, unless they were absolutely idiotic and counted said add ons against... wait, sorry, for a second I forgot who we are dealing with here.

But seriously, it could be worse. If you're in for a BC, *hopefully* yours will be in the mail in the next week or two.

As opposed to being a Canadian with 8 BC's coming to my friends and I, where I'm not confident I'll see it in November, or perhaps even in 2014.

I do not think the "owners" are experience in this type of business. Logistic wise (including customer service turn around time; if someone understands the reference I am making on them)

Wave 2 Addons don't seem to effect anything, as I should have an SDF-1 showing up sometime in the next 6 years.

 Cyporiean wrote:
Wave 2 Addons don't seem to effect anything, as I should have an SDF-1 showing up sometime in the next 6 years.

That with or without beer math?

Hell, that might be outright optimism.

But don't worry, everyone loves the sculpt and mouths watered so hard that they had to get a mop and bucket to clean up the mess.

I don't really expect to see anything coming my way until well into 2015.

Unless I buy stuff from a store, of course >_>.

Posted some Hi-Res unboxing pics out in the sunlight.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B0VSNzmthd1vNnB4UWlYZEJfcU0&usp=sharing


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Cool pics Looks like they are about halfway done designing wave 2. I say wave 2 ships in March. Approval just in time for Chinese New year, to put and extra 2 week delay into things.

 Desert Lurker wrote:
Cool pics Looks like they are about halfway done designing wave 2. I say wave 2 ships in March. Approval just in time for Chinese New year, to put and extra 2 week delay into things.

Test sprues, or it didn't happen.

Sorry, after all the bulldrek over the initial 18 months, I (and undoubtedly more people) will find it hard to take a statement with regards to "It's almost done" as anything more than satirical performance art. They can say how "done" miniatures are until they're blue in the face. No pictures? Never happened.

I'm with Morgan here. They have somewhere around twice as many sprues in W2 as they did in W1, which means around twice as much work checking, rechecking, mold cutting, etc.

It took them 15 months to go from Funded to product almost making it to Gencon, for just the first 1/3 or so of the sprues.

Even knowing that some work was done for some of W2 (before they focused on W1 at all and still thought they were going to somehow deliver in December or January for ALL of it), doing twice the work in half the time seems unlikely.

Someone presumably learned something somewhere along the way, but not enough to quadruple their efficiency.

I reserve the right to be pleasantly surprised at this point, but they've long lost the benefit of the doubt.

Very literally; (test sprue) pics or it didn't happen.

Per Josh Sissom on the Facebook Page
Working on my first set of models for the game. "Regault Attack Squadron" (80pts). 9x Regualts and 1 Glaug. Upgrade the Glaug to the Zentraedi Special Character "Grell" (5pts), and the Regaults to "Veterans Warriors" (20pts). Add a "Quel-Gulnau" Recovery Pod (10pts). Total Squad cost is 115pts for 11 Models. I think I am going to do two small 115pt armies to use to learn the game and let others play. The UEDF will be 5 Valkyries. Should be easy to paint with only a few models. I am going to paint these guys in a traditional theme, and do bases that look like broken up roads. I also replaced the thick standard flight stands with smaller dowels. I am going to airbrush on the white base coats over a few layers of grey/black, then brush in the details and paint the bases. I am thinking of putting a light layer of gloss varnish over the models on they are airbrushed so they have a little bit of a shine to them. I have done it with success to alot of warhammer models. More to come... I hope to have all of the Zentraedi painted by next weekend and the UEDF at least assembled so I can get in some games. I got these models in on the 6th, but I was back and forth on if I was going to play or not. After looking through the rule book, I am excited again for the game. Looks like it could be decent. The models I don't use as part of the two armies, I think I am going to throw eBay. I think I have too much stuff with the Starter Box and Wave 1 models.
Also, should be worth mentioning the model quality. They are actually better than I expected. The small bits are fragile, but they are thick enough that they are ok. They seemed to cast them a little thicker which made them stronger. The only thing that I dont like was the thrusters on the back of the officer pod. They put the connecting point of the piece too close to the sprue point and there is no way to keep the detail for that part on the piece. any way you cut it, you cut off some of the details. I will hold my judgement on the officer pod for a few days, but I thin he might cause some problems. But that is so far my only complaints. I have assembled extensive amounts of warhammer models over the past 20 years, so I have alot of experience with plastic models. These aren't bad at all.
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My feedback would be that they sprues are too tight to fit clippers in (and I have modeling clippers that are fine tipped) and they are too thick to make clean cuts with only a scalpel. It makes the small antenna pieces easy to break if you aren't very careful or have a lot of experience. My only two complaints like I said are the thrusters on the officer pod, and the arms looks like they are going to break over time. The connection point is too small for such a major piece. But it has not broken yet.

Thank god, I was worried they'd be awesome and I'd need to buy ridiculous amounts, lucky for my wallet they're just "not bad" hooray for mediocrity!

Wow Joyboozer, you are really great! I posted the entire set of comments and did not read mediocre anywhere. My English must be off somehow even though I grew up in an English speaking country. I did read this.

"Also, should be worth mentioning the model quality. They are actually better than I expected. The small bits are fragile, but they are thick enough that they are ok. They seemed to cast them a little thicker which made them stronger. The only thing that I dont like was the thrusters on the back of the officer pod."

Your skills are truly astounding.

I did ask him to post another honest review when he does the UEDF stuff so I'm aware that he has only done Zentraedi so far.

Well, to his credit, "better than expected" is not exactly "good"...

His last comment is these aren't bad at all, I was being flippant, do people not take the piss where you're from? Oh sorry, forgot, it's a game based on a cartoon, so everything has to be taken super serious...

Calm down guys.

So anyone get in any games yet? I'm planning on running the first few learning scenarios this upcoming Saturday, so I hope to get a few dudes assembled/painted by then.

Joyboozer wrote:
His last comment is these aren't bad at all, I was being flippant, do people not take the piss where you're from? Oh sorry, forgot, it's a game based on a cartoon, so everything has to be taken super serious...

Lol, understood, my comment was a bit tongue in cheek. I just love poking things with a stick and seeing how they react. Everyone takes Tactics, a game with tiny plastic robots, so seriously and sarcasm does not come off well most of the time on the net.

Then let us all adjust our pants, hold hands and do the good times dance!
On a serious note, has anyone found a way to make the flight stands supplied look good? I know there's other options available, but hope there's someone out there who's found a great use for it the rest of us haven't thought of.

Better yet, what color would you paint them?

Green for grass tables
Brown/Tan for Desert
White or Blue for Sky
Black for space?

No matter what you choose on some map they will be an eyesore. Suggestions?

I'll paint my flight stands in rainbow colors.

Nobody will ever miss them.....even if the mini is painted in the perfect camo.....

I'm definitely going to be using either clear acrylic or strong thin wire.

At a friend's recommendation, I snagged two packs of these.

With the added benefit that by magnetizing other Fighters, I can use the same 16 stands for my Gnerls, FPA, Super VTs in Fighter mode, VEF-1's, etc.

Maybe even some 'leaping' battlepods, but I might just adhere them to their base and call it a day. Really just didn't want to use those opaque stands that come with the models for the flying figures.

 Desert Lurker wrote:
Cool pics Looks like they are about halfway done designing wave 2. I say wave 2 ships in March. Approval just in time for Chinese New year, to put and extra 2 week delay into things.

Seriously???

When the KS started they were 98% done with the models and it took a year and a half to start making good on delivery of wave one. They are maybe half way through designing wave 2 which is far less then "98% done", and you expect them to be able to get that out and shipped in less then 6 months while including time for Chinese new year? Those must be some mighty strong rose colored glasses you have.

I don't expect to see anything before Gen Con of next year (at the soonest) and I'd put money on not seeing wave two until at least this time next year.

I don't think PB will get wave two out any time soon. PB will probably try to rush wave two in time for GC and once again quality will suffer (see the vf-1). Or because it's more models it may not be ready for even longer. PB may even go as far as creating a wave three.

I would suspect the next wave, whatever form that may take, speed of release would be proportionate to retail sales.

I bet if they see a good initial surge and then start seeing it decline, they will be in a rush for new stuff.

I could see PB not focusing much on new production until they got what money they could out of old. Plus no-one could make any new stuff since they will be strapped for resources having everyone in shipping! Wonder if they will ever think of hiring a few people for this specifically... Nah...

<edit> Worst case is the game is a dud at retail, then they will drag their tail all over the place and claim poor, etc...

If the game is a dud, I expect there to be no wave 2. I expect Kevin and his countless apologisers to come out and say oh we couldn't do wave 2 cause reasons but you all received what you were supposed to receive before SGs so mission accomplished. Then when people get mad, Kevin will act befuddled as if he can NOT possible comprehend why people are acting this way.

Sining wrote:
If the game is a dud, I expect there to be no wave 2. I expect Kevin and his countless apologisers to come out and say oh we couldn't do wave 2 cause reasons but you all received what you were supposed to receive before SGs so mission accomplished. Then when people get mad, Kevin will act befuddled as if he can NOT possible comprehend why people are acting this way.

Except Rick Hunter...... he got pushed to wave 2. That exclusive was offered from the onset of the project. No wave 2, no Rick, no cop-out.
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P.S. I don't actually think this will happen just commenting on how they wouldn't be able to just say "People got what they were initially supposed to."

If they don't deliver wave 2 it will be the end of Palladium Books.

There will be a wave 2.

Should I have received my wave 1 yet? I haven't heard anything from them at all.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Should I have received my wave 1 yet? I haven't heard anything from them at all.

No, not necessarily. Assuming you ordered a Battle Cry, they've only mailed out roughly 1/3 of them. If you got a showdown or larger tier, they haven't started on them yet.

When I looked at the wave 2 order from it looked like several of them were icky brown plastic like the rest of the RDF and the rest were the placeholder images they used in the KS.

But it was Saturday and I was excited about the project, but not to worry, like bad chinese food, it has passed. I'm ready to jump back on to the band wagon of hate.

 Forar wrote:
At a friend's recommendation, I snagged two packs of these.

With the added benefit that by magnetizing other Fighters, I can use the same 16 stands for my Gnerls, FPA, Super VTs in Fighter mode, VEF-1's, etc.

Maybe even some 'leaping' battlepods, but I might just adhere them to their base and call it a day. Really just didn't want to use those opaque stands that come with the models for the flying figures.

Wow, awesome! That's exactly what I was looking for, as I dislike the included flight stands. Thanks for the link!



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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Should I have received my wave 1 yet? I haven't heard anything from them at all.

No, not necessarily. Assuming you ordered a Battle Cry, they've only mailed out roughly 1/3 of them. If you got a showdown or larger tier, they haven't started on them yet.

Several Showdowns have shipped, at least that's the impression I got from the Robotech facebook group.

 Desert Lurker wrote:
But it was Saturday and I was excited about the project, but not to worry, like bad chinese food, it has passed. I'm ready to jump back on to the band wagon of hate.

To be fair, it's less a "bandwagon of hate" and more a matter of "we're not falling for it again". We believed what they said last time until it was proven to be inaccurate. Now they need to cough up some evidence before some of us will believe they're actually making progress.

 judgedoug wrote:
Wow, awesome! That's exactly what I was looking for, as I dislike the included flight stands. Thanks for the link!

A shoutout to Morgan for linking them to me in the first place. $30 Canadian for 16 stands seemed spicy, but it seemed prudent for transportation and the ability to minimize how many stands I need to worry about, especially since I hate the included opaque ones. Magnetizing the flying models will probably be a PITA (as an amateur modeler), but I'm sure it'll be a smooth process after I get a squad or two done.

Several Showdowns have shipped, at least that's the impression I got from the Robotech facebook group.

I'm not a part of Mike's group (the last time I was, I found it full of obnoxious sorts that I can't be bothered to weed through), but from the comments I've seen 1 Showdown ship (Mike's SD+BC) and one Reckless reportedly ship. If there are others, I haven't seen them speak up on the forums/comments sections I usually troll (in all meanings of the word).

But PB themselves have said that SD's aren't shipping yet, so presumably what few went out were specially sent, accidents, tests, whatever. Point being, until they wrap up the BC's, I wouldn't hold my breath for SD's to start getting notifications en masse.

Considering PB needs nearly as many BC's to fulfill Showdown backer allotment as they did the BC'ers themselves (~3,000 BCs to roughly 2,600 for SD's), I imagine they aren't remotely an option to do in bulk until another container gets to them, which is... someday. They said 4 was supposed to get on its way "early this week" and 3 is still waiting on a truck or something, so it seems unlikely that bulk shipping will get much further until later this week or early next week.

A volunteer popped up in the comments and said there's a bunch of boxes ready to go out today, but they're down to roughly 2 pallets of materials for shipping, so... yeah. Containers need to arrive.

They've said in previous updates/newsletters/somethings that a container accounts for roughly 2,000 boxes (BCs?), meaning they may need #3 just to cover the BCs and #4 to get the SDs (give or take a little, since they're not shipping to international backers). If we're lucky, #3/4 will cover US BCs, SDs and RLs, but I fear that means #5 might be necessary to really get into International orders.

Depending on that breakdown, hell, they might need #6 to get in to get as high as my order, which... whelp, that sure is a thing.

well nothing left of container 3 and several BC backers waiting for product.

Asterios wrote:
well nothing left of container 3 and several BC backers waiting for product.

You mean container #2, #3 is still stuck in port for unknown reasons.

Painted Pic

Those look great - nicely done!

%&*@#$!!!!
No models to paint yet for me to show off...
The paint pots give another good idea of scale.

PB could have avoided a lot of pain getting the demo models painted to this standard.

Nice job Mike!

Those do look great Mike.

Credit where credit is due, those do look pretty nice.

Hell of a lot better than I'll be doing, that's for sure.

Edit: wait, did you do those, or someone else?

 Mike1975 wrote:

Asterios wrote:
well nothing left of container 3 and several BC backers waiting for product.

You mean container #2, #3 is still stuck in port for unknown reasons.

you mean containers 3 and 4 or is it 4 and 5, bah who knows what containers are where anymore , by the way nice painting.

They talked about this in the second last update.

1 & 2 are on hand.

3 is stuck waiting for a truck chassis or something at the port.

4 is supposed to go on a train 'early next (read: this) week'.

I believe 5 & 6 are at sea.

How running out of materials to ship for up to a week (depending on how long 3 and/or 4 take to get to the warehouse and be prepped) will affect that delivery timeline, I don't know.

Sining wrote:
If the game is a dud, I expect there to be no wave 2. I expect Kevin and his countless apologisers to come out and say oh we couldn't do wave 2 cause reasons but you all received what you were supposed to receive before SGs so mission accomplished. Then when people get mad, Kevin will act befuddled as if he can NOT possible comprehend why people are acting this way.

Except not all of us backed at levels that get you the boxed game so no Wave 2+ means we don't get what we pledged for.

Personally, yes, I went halfsies on a buddy's Showdown, but my actual pledge was much less and exists purely so I could get the SDF-1 without relying on going through someone.

That Veritech Valkyrie is done by someone in the Robotech Tactics Southern California group IIRC

From now on Mike's posts get a [Clarification Needed] tag.

:-P

 Forar wrote:
From now on Mike's posts get a [Clarification Needed] tag.
:-P

Agreed, usually some preamble of "not my work but this person's..." is in order.
I figured he was fanboy enough he got into it frothing at the mouth (not drooling as PB would have us) so did not question this much.
We will keep an eye on this one...

 Talizvar wrote:

 Forar wrote:
From now on Mike's posts get a [Clarification Needed] tag.
:-P

Agreed, usually some preamble of "not my work but this person's..." is in order.
I figured he was fanboy enough he got into it frothing at the mouth (not drooling as PB would have us) so did not question this much.
We will keep an eye on this one...

Normally I'd have some put together and painted by now, and nowhere near as good as that pic. I've had too many work projects put on my plate plus school to have time to paint. Besides, you can't paint in the office and pretend you are doing something else.

I did get 3 BC's, decided 2 was more than enough, and someone offered to paint it all plus my add-ons for the price of one of my 3 Battlecries. So some of my order and his stuff is boxed and is ready to ship out today.

A buck a model for assembly and painting is a hell of a deal.

(2 BCs x wave one = 140 models).

Even at full MSRP, that's only a couple bucks per model. Not bad, even at an average (ie: not 'omg pro display' level, but good all the same).

I thought so. Plus I'll never honestly use all 3 BC's.....and if I'm playing against another player with his own minis even less.

use? what does use have to do with it?

I have more Space marines that I can use. Tactical marines even more so that doesn't stop me from buying more (Admittedly the were Space Pups not generics).

Mine! MINE!! I tell ya!

At Showdown I still have the feeling I dont have enough.

Well, ends up depending on how big a game you want to play.

Off hand, you can't have more than 14 VT's in a 300 point (standard) game, so a SD gives you 18 (plus 2 ricks and 2 roys eventually), which is plenty.

But for a 600 point game, yeah, that could fall a little short depending on what you want to run.

Obviously that'll shift based on units chosen. I mean, if you have a white hot burning desire to run a full Ghost or Lancer or Gnerl force, yeah, you've got a ways to collect still.

Not having enough is everyone problem

I figure I go three Veritech squadron

Command Detachment (3 Aircraft)
Squad One (6 Aircraft, each divisible into a 3 plane Fire Team)
Squad Two (6 Aircraft, each divisible into a 3 plane Fire Team)
X 3

So total of 45 Veritechs

As for ground units I'm going by typical Battletech unit composition

12 Mechs a company with a Command lance Figure I go BN of 48 Mechs

Going to apply the same to armor units to as soon as I find my conversion sheet. Going to base those off US Military unit composition.

As for the Zentreadi I'm going to match unit by unit.

I am going to try to use Clan Elementals for the bike units eventually lol


From what I understand this is going to be fast pace, fast killing, massive amount of missiles and weapon fire, and trap firing units. I rather have a game last a couple hours with multiple objectives (actual objectives one would try to defend or destroy to deny the enemy. Example be "Protoculture Fuel Storage" sites)

Edit

Crap....one of my office building is Wells Fargo....it shall be a free fire zone on that block

As promised a few more sprue pics

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B0VSNzmthd1vNnB4UWlYZEJfcU0&usp=sharing

Here is the FB page where that pic came from. https://www.facebook.com/RobotechRPGTacticsSoCal

Once again Mike not giving credit to pics. There are a bunch more pics on that group. Look great! Not a real fan of the all black Valks, but whatever floats your boat.

 Mike1975 wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:

 Forar wrote:
From now on Mike's posts get a [Clarification Needed] tag.
:-P

Agreed, usually some preamble of "not my work but this person's..." is in order.
I figured he was fanboy enough he got into it frothing at the mouth (not drooling as PB would have us) so did not question this much.
We will keep an eye on this one...

Normally I'd have some put together and painted by now, and nowhere near as good as that pic. I've had too many work projects put on my plate plus school to have time to paint. Besides, you can't paint in the office and pretend you are doing something else.

I did get 3 BC's, decided 2 was more than enough, and someone offered to paint it all plus my add-ons for the price of one of my 3 Battlecries. So some of my order and his stuff is boxed and is ready to ship out today.

Fruity.....posted soon after the pic....I don't do it as a purposeful oversight if that is what you are trying to intimate. I don't always credit my own stuff either. I post it simply to share.


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Oh and since it was share via that site to my FB page I would not know who did it unless I spent the time to go to the SC site and take down his name and even then he might not want his name shared around.

An exact credit isn't necessary, but merely noting that it was found on the wider interwebs or whatever is generally prudent.

Especially since the vast majority of backers don't have their stuff yet, thus meaning there simply aren't that many people whom even could build and paint up models (and we know you're one of them).

"Hey, look what some dude did" gives context that it is not, in fact, yours.

Mike, so then we only have to hate you for getting stuff before us rather than getting to build, paint AND having amazing painting skills which would put it over the top.

 Talizvar wrote:
Mike, so then we only have to hate you for getting stuff before us rather than getting to build, paint AND having amazing painting skills which would put it over the top.

Haven't painted in over 20 years and I'm OCD enough that I'd spend 3 days on one mini till it was perfect and it would likely take me that long. With life I just don't have the time right now to be honest.

Well, hopefully the dude you're working with can turn around the figures in a reasonable timeframe and you get results you can be happy with.

 Mike1975 wrote:

 Mike1975 wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:

 Forar wrote:
From now on Mike's posts get a [Clarification Needed] tag.
:-P

Agreed, usually some preamble of "not my work but this person's..." is in order.
I figured he was fanboy enough he got into it frothing at the mouth (not drooling as PB would have us) so did not question this much.
We will keep an eye on this one...

Normally I'd have some put together and painted by now, and nowhere near as good as that pic. I've had too many work projects put on my plate plus school to have time to paint. Besides, you can't paint in the office and pretend you are doing something else.

I did get 3 BC's, decided 2 was more than enough, and someone offered to paint it all plus my add-ons for the price of one of my 3 Battlecries. So some of my order and his stuff is boxed and is ready to ship out today.

Fruity.....posted soon after the pic....I don't do it as a purposeful oversight if that is what you are trying to intimate. I don't always credit my own stuff either. I post it simply to share.


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Oh and since it was share via that site to my FB page I would not know who did it unless I spent the time to go to the SC site and take down his name and even then he might not want his name shared around.

It takes roughly 5 seconds to click a photo on FB, look in the upper right where it's shared from, go there, and copy the link and past it. I'm not trying to be a dick but you seem to have a history of just linking to other's information and photos and not giving credit until you're called out on it. Just take the time to do it, it's not hard, and it's polite!

fruitlewps wrote:

 Mike1975 wrote:

 Mike1975 wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:

 Forar wrote:
From now on Mike's posts get a [Clarification Needed] tag.
:-P

Agreed, usually some preamble of "not my work but this person's..." is in order.
I figured he was fanboy enough he got into it frothing at the mouth (not drooling as PB would have us) so did not question this much.
We will keep an eye on this one...

Normally I'd have some put together and painted by now, and nowhere near as good as that pic. I've had too many work projects put on my plate plus school to have time to paint. Besides, you can't paint in the office and pretend you are doing something else.

I did get 3 BC's, decided 2 was more than enough, and someone offered to paint it all plus my add-ons for the price of one of my 3 Battlecries. So some of my order and his stuff is boxed and is ready to ship out today.

Fruity.....posted soon after the pic....I don't do it as a purposeful oversight if that is what you are trying to intimate. I don't always credit my own stuff either. I post it simply to share.


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Oh and since it was share via that site to my FB page I would not know who did it unless I spent the time to go to the SC site and take down his name and even then he might not want his name shared around.

It takes roughly 5 seconds to click a photo on FB, look in the upper right where it's shared from, go there, and copy the link and past it. I'm not trying to be a dick but you seem to have a history of just linking to other's information and photos and not giving credit until you're called out on it. Just take the time to do it, it's not hard, and it's polite!

Actually it is more than that. I have to copy and paste the picture somewhere else first since if I put a link to FB and it is a closed site people won't see the picture. It's happened several times before.

For those non-FB people, some important notes. The Zen Regult sprues have 6 feet on them. They are kinda heart shaped. The wider portion goes forward. There are also 4 textured bottom feet and 2 plain ones. The 2 plain ones are for feet flat on the ground and the other 4 are for feet in motion. So be careful, you have the benefit of learning from other peoples mistakes.

That's from ND. I recognise the playmat

Just got my stuff today . Impressed but when I started to glue them together with plastic glue . The don't glue properly . Started to use zap a gap on them hope this works . Any one else having problems putting there miniatures together ?

Matt are you using a glue compatible with ABS plastic?

This is the first report I've read about glue not working I'm really curious what the brand is.

I think we did cover this somewhere in this thread about needing ABS glue.
I had this same problem with my Battletech starter box set and nothing gluing.

What does not work: Red and white tube Testors glue, Tamiya white or green cap glue.

What does work: crazy glue works but is not a "weld", Tamiya blue cap, Plastruct weld cement (recommended by many including me), Model Master liquid cement.

Important: Basically the primary ingredient to get the weld is MEK: Methyl Ethyl Ketone also known as Butanone.
Just ventilate real well and try not to get it on your skin, it is a nasty solvent.

Every bottled brush-on plastic glue that I know about will dissolve/melt/bond ABS plastic. I have yet to encounter one that doesn't.

I've got Tamiya Orange/Amber/Kachchi?
http://www.tamiyausa.com/items/paints-finishes-60/finishing-supplies-62000/plastic-cement-20ml-87012

abs cement?
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Oatey-8-oz-ABS-Cement-in-Black-308893/100345366

I'm getting this to be safe
http://www.hobbylinc.com/htm/pls/pls00002.htm

For those of you not on facebook, do not be alarmed when your box arrives and does not have a full set of faction cards.

You only get the cards for the units you actually have, and there are a bunch of malcontent faction cards missing.

This is rough because there is no available source of information on the factions upgrades outside of the leaked playtesting rules.

So how are you supposed to get the other cards?

Or are they just for convenience during play, and all of the stats are in the book?

The stats for the mechs are in the book but the point costs, formations, and unit upgrades are all on the cards and not in the book.

And as far as I know Palladium doesn't know, so no one knows right now.

We are essentially missing rules.

 Desert Lurker wrote:

I'm getting this to be safe
http://www.hobbylinc.com/htm/pls/pls00002.htm

That is the absolute best thing you can get, for any plastic model.

 Swabby wrote:
For those of you not on facebook, do not be alarmed when your box arrives and does not have a full set of faction cards.

You only get the cards for the units you actually have, and there are a bunch of malcontent faction cards missing.

This is rough because there is no available source of information on the factions upgrades outside of the leaked playtesting rules.

Not exactly, the base stats for all units are in the book. The Mecha cards, the ones shaped like playing cards have all the mecha stats on them. The Squadron Cards, the bigger ones have all the squadron level upgrades on them but not the individual unit stats, that is what the Mecha cards are for. The Tiny cards have the support squads and special units on them. Cards for units like the Female Power Armor are not in the Main Box since those units will be in add-ons and wave 2. Cards for add-ons are in the add-on boxes.

Here is a list of cards someone made that are in the pledge


Got my box yesterday . I don't think anyone has posted pics of the cards yet, so here they are. Let me break down the cards for you.

Box Set:

Large cards:


UEDF
UEDF Force
Armored Destroid Squadron
Area Denial Destroid Squadron
Valkyrie Squadron

Mal
Malcontents

Zen
Zentradi Armada
Regult Attack Squadron
Regult Attrition Squadron
Regult Recon Squadron

Regular cards:

UEDF
VF-1A
VF-1J
VF-1S
VF-1R
Tomahawk
Defender
9 UEDF Special characters

Zen
Glaug
Regult
Regult Recon Scout
Recovery Pod
9 Zentradi Special Characters

Tiny cards:

UEDF
Command Destroid Upgrade
2 Tomahawk Squad
2 Defender Squad
2 Valkyrie Squad
2 VF-1S
2 VF-1R Upgrade

Zen
Glaug
2 Regult Squad
Regult Recon Scout
Recovery Pod

Battle Cry Bonus Bag:

Large Cards:

UEDF
2 Valkyrie Squad
Fire Support Destroid Squad
Close Quarters Destroid Squad
Artillery Destroid Squad

Mal
2 Air Superiority Squad
2 Ground Attack Squad
Light Raider Squad
Mixed Infantry Squad
Artillery Support Squad

Zen
2 Regult Attack Squad
2 Regult Attrition Squad
2 Regulr Recon Squad
Regult Artillery Squad

Regular Cards:

UEFD
2 VF-1A
2 VF-1J
2 VF-1S
2 VF-1R
Phalanx Destroid
Spartan Destroid

Zen
2 Regult
Glaug
Regult Recon Scout
Recovery Pod
Heavy Art Pod
Light Art Pod
Particle Art Pod

Tiny Cards:

UEDF
2 Valkyrie Squad
4 VF-1S
4 VF-1R Upgrade
Command Destroid Upgrade
Phalanx Destroid Squad
Spartan Destroid Squad

Mal
Glaug
3 Regult Squad
Regult Recon Scout
2 Suppport Destroid Squad
2 Valkyrie Squad
4 VF-1R Upgrade

Zen
Glaug
2 Regult Squad
Regult Recon Scout
2 Heavy Art Pod
2 Light Art Pod
2 Particle Art Pod
Recovery Pod

So I guess wave two will contain the cards pertinent to the mechs that ship with it, along with the requisite squad/support/special cards.

Which makes sense. Making, printing and shipping FPA cards when we don't have FPA doesn't make much sense. It'll be things that would be sensible to include those within the figure boxes at retail.

... quietly ignoring the hundreds (?) of people who have LE Miriya figures and thus, have FPA they can't use until they become available. >.>

We are missing rules.

The malcontent forces have unique upgrades. Those upgrades are not listed in the books, they are on the squadron cards. Squadron cards for units we have all the models for are not included in the kickstarter delivery. Therefore we do not have access to those rules.




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Forar they included cards with the FPA on them, but excluded cards that we have all the models for, like the malcontent heavy destroid squad.



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And even discounting the upgrades the squadron point costs are on the cards and not in the book. If you do not know where to find that info online outside of the game you cannot make a decent malcontent list right now using the models on hand.

There is one malcontent list possible with the provided cards at the battlecry level.

It consists of:

Core: Light Raider Squadron
Special: Glaug or Quel-Regult
Support: Regult Squad

Core: Artillery Support Squadron
special: Glaug or Quel-Regult
support: Regult Squad.

That list comes out to like 320 points assuming you take all maximum priced upgrades. This (or less points) are your only choices with the given cards in the box.

*facepalm*

...

*sigh*

...

*halfhearted jazz hands*

 Swabby wrote:
We are missing rules.

The malcontent forces have unique upgrades. Those upgrades are not listed in the books, they are on the squadron cards. Squadron cards for units we have all the models for are not included in the kickstarter delivery. Therefore we do not have access to those rules.




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Forar they included cards with the FPA on them, but excluded cards that we have all the models for, like the malcontent heavy destroid squad.



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And even discounting the upgrades the squadron point costs are on the cards and not in the book. If you do not know where to find that info online outside of the game you cannot make a malcontent list right now using the models on hand.

After looking in close this is what it looks like based on that list.

Large cards:

UEDF
UEDF Force
Armored Destroid Squadron
Area Denial Destroid Squadron
Valkyrie Squadron
2 Valkyrie Squad
Fire Support Destroid Squad
Close Quarters Destroid Squad
Artillery Destroid Squad
Missing  Brawler Destroid
Wave 2  Ghost, Lancer, Super VT,
Wave 2 Add-Ons Only  Armored Valk, Jotun, YF-4

Mal
Malcontents
2 Air Superiority Squad
2 Ground Attack Squad
Light Raider Squad
Mixed Infantry Squad
Artillery Support Squad
Missing  Air Defense Squadron, Artillery Support Squadron, Heavy Destroid Squadron
Wave 2  Armored Assault Squadron, Assault Recon Squadron, Main Battle Squadron, Super Valkyrie Squadron, Zentraedi Assault Squadron
Wave 2 Add-Ons Only 

Zen
Zentradi Armada
Regult Attack Squadron
Regult Attrition Squadron
Regult Recon Squadron
2 Regult Attack Squad
2 Regult Attrition Squad
2 Regulr Recon Squad
Regult Artillery Squad
Missing  None
Wave 2  Gnerl Attack Squadron, Mousgarma-Ger Squadron, Nousjadeul-Ger Squadron, Queadluun-Gult Squadron, Queadluu-Rau Squadron
Wave 2 Add-Ons Only  Zen Heavy Infantry Squadron, Zen Light Infantry Squadron, Glaug-Eldare Squadron







Regular cards:

UEDF
VF-1A
VF-1J
VF-1S
VF-1R
Tomahawk
Defender
9 UEDF Special characters
2 VF-1A
2 VF-1J
2 VF-1S
2 VF-1R
Phalanx Destroid
Spartan Destroid
Missing  None
Wave 2  Ghost, Lancer, Super VF-1A, Super VF-1D, Super VF-1J, Super VF-1S
Wave 2 Add-Ons Only  Monster, Armored VF-1A, Armored VF-1D, Armored VF-1J, Armored VF-1S, Jotun VF-1A. Jotun VF-1D, Jotun VF-1J, Jotun VF-1S, VEF-1, VF-1D, YF-4, YF-4 Lead

Zen
Glaug
Regult
Regult Recon Scout
Recovery Pod
9 Zentradi Special Characters
2 Regult
Glaug
Regult Recon Scout
Recovery Pod
Heavy Art Pod
Light Art Pod
Particle Art Pod
Missing  None
Wave 2  Gnerl, MPA Upgrade, MPA, FPA Upgrade, FPA
Wave 2 Add-Ons Only  Glaug-Eldare, Gluu-Ger Infantry, Serau-Ger Infantry










Tiny cards:

UEDF
Command Destroid Upgrade
2 Tomahawk Squad
2 Defender Squad
2 Valkyrie Squad
2 VF-1S
2 VF-1R Upgrade
2 Valkyrie Squad
4 VF-1S
4 VF-1R Upgrade
Command Destroid Upgrade
Phalanx Destroid Squad
Spartan Destroid Squad
Missing  VF-1J?
Wave 2  Ghost Squad, Lancer Squad, Super VT Squad, Super VF-1D, Super VF-1J?, Super VF-1S,
Wave 2 Add-Ons Only  Armored VTs, Armored VF-1D, Armored VF-1S, Armored VF-1J?, Monster, Jotun Squad, Jotun VF-1D, Jotun VF-1J?, Jotun VF-1S, VEF-1, VF-1D, YF-4 Squad

Zen
Glaug
2 Regult Squad
Regult Recon Scout
Recovery Pod
Glaug
2 Regult Squad
Regult Recon Scout
2 Heavy Art Pod
2 Light Art Pod
2 Particle Art Pod
Recovery Pod
Missing  VF-1J?
Wave 2  Queadluun-Gult, Queadluun-Rau, Nousgarma-Ger, Nousjadeul-Ger Squad, Gnerl Squad
Wave 2 Add-Ons Only  Zen Heavy Inf Squad, Zen Light Infantry Squad, Zen Officer Upgrade

Mal
Glaug
3 Regult Squad
Regult Recon Scout
2 Suppport Destroid Squad
2 Valkyrie Squad
4 VF-1R Upgrade
Missing  Assault Destroid Squad
Wave 2  Gnerl Squad, Queadluun-Rau, Super Valkyrie,
Wave 2 Add-Ons Only  Armored VT Squad, Command Monster, Zen Heavy Infantry Squad, Infantry Officer Upgrade, Zen Light Infantry Squad

So we are missing the Brawler Destroid Squadron, the Air Defense Squadron, Artillery Support Squadron, Heavy Destroid Squadron and possibly the Assault Destroid Squad cards

What I dont get is why we have some of the cards we do have? Like the zentradi mixed infantry squad, when they are nearly all wave 2 models while missing the wave one stuff.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0VSNzmthd1vT3lJSTVjcmtOa00/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0VSNzmthd1vajIzaEw5N1BiSUk/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0VSNzmthd1vTHVHWHNXWDR6UTg/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0VSNzmthd1vOWloQjBCNWNhcms/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0VSNzmthd1vbV8zU0Y1UWtDQkE/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0VSNzmthd1va29LclJDN0JOS2M/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0VSNzmthd1vczBibnlVVWN5eTg/view?usp=sharing

My versions of those cards

Mike, I actually got the artillery support card, is yours missing?

And do you have like a faction .zip file for all the cards?


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Also, why is the Assault destroid squad only a base 2 command points when there are 4 mecha in it? Actually alot of these cards seem to have command points that are kind of all over, am I missing something? I thought command points were # of mecha in the squad, plus one per point of leadership, mecha with life is cheap do not count normally.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B0VSNzmthd1vSlYtU04xVTlYdWc&usp=sharing

I did the $140 pledge I'm not sure if I got everything ? Does any one have a list of what that pledges gets . Is there a second wave coming ? Any help would be great and appreciated

 MattRendar wrote:
I did the $140 pledge I'm not sure if I got everything ? Does any one have a list of what that pledges gets . Is there a second wave coming ? Any help would be great and appreciated

You didn't.

Things included in Wave One:

Core Box (5 VTs, 2 Tomahawks, 2 Defenders, 12 Battlepods, 1 Officer's Pod, 1 Recon Pod, 1 Recovery Pod)

4 extra Veritechs
2 Phalanx
2 Spartans

12 extra Battle Pods
4 Artillery/support pods
1 extra Recon Pod
1 extra Officer's Pod
1 extra Recovery Pod


Wave Two
2 Super VTs
2 Ghosts
2 Lancers
Rick (Limited Edition VT)
Roy (LE VT)

1 Khyron (LE Officer's Pod)
3 Gnerls
3 Male Power Armour
3 Female Power Armour
1 Miriya (LE FPA)

I think that's it. Note: there are other figures in the product line, as you probably know, but are only coming to you if you paid for them as add ons, which you didn't mention. I only note this for consistency, because otherwise someone else will point it out as though I've forgotten. Also, PTSD from dealing with certain anal retentive types in the KS comments. >.<

Long story short, you got 70 figures, and have 27 more coming to you when they deliver Wave Two.

... whenever that is.

Jebus. Making it sound like I am lucky to not do the pledges and paying just extra on the core set and squad add on's to build up

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Thanks forar . Sounds good to me .

Update #162
Oct 16 2014
Nothing Ever Goes Easy

Remember two weeks ago, when I said that Container #3 had arrived in port in the US? Well, things must be crazy at that terminal, because they didn't unload it from the ship until last week, and our trucking company wasn't able to pick it up for transport until today. The good news is, it will set out on its way to us tomorrow, and we should have it early next week. At which point we can get back to shipping as quickly as possible.

Container #4, even though it arrived at a different terminal at the LA port, experienced similar but lesser delays. It’s now on a train headed for Detroit, but we just learned that it’s been flagged for an exam by Customs when it gets there. Sound familiar? At least this time around, we’ll already have the stuff from Containers #1-3 and will be shipping away. Still, it’s frustrating; we had originally expected to get that container TODAY.

Container #5 arrived in port early this week, and has been discharged from the vessel. It should go on a train any day now, but it’s a couple days behind schedule so far. We’ll see.

Containers #6 and 7 have been at sea for a few days and are running on schedule.

Container #8 was sent to the port yesterday. Container #9, the last one for Wave One, was supposed to join it, but it will go next week.

Shipping has taken up much of our time, but in other areas, Jeff has gone through the current batch of 3Ds for Wave Two, but I still need to do another review of any remaining issues and pass them onto the engineers. Going to do that next week.

Some folks have been asking for a breakdown of what’s in Wave One vs Wave Two. Here’s a quick list of items shipping in Wave One:

Robotech® RPG Tactics™ Main Boxed Game
UEDF Dice Pack
Zentraedi Dice Pack
UEDF Token Pack
Zentraedi Token Pack
Combined Template & Token Pack
UEDF Decals
Zentraedi Decals
Battle Foam Bag
UEDF Valkyrie Wing
UEDF Tomahawk/Defender Destroids
UEDF Spartan/Phalanx Destroids
Zentraedi Regult Battlepods
Zentraedi Artillery Battlepods
Zentraedi Glaug Command
Homecoming two print set
Battle Hymn five print set
Wave One Battle Cry/Showdown/Reckless extras: Standard Valkyries, Spartans, Phalanxes, Regult Battlepods, Artillery Battlepods, Glaug Officer Pods, Recon Battlepods, Recovery Pods, and the exclusive Battle Cry Art Print.
Everything else is Wave Two. I’ll put together a complete list of those, and maybe some fancy graphics, and put them in the FAQ in the next few days. Some have suggested a breakdown by Pledge Level, so I’ll try to do that as well.

That will have to do for tonight. Have a good weekend, everyone.

Soooo... container 3 took a week to unload and just recently left, 4 is on a train but flagged for customs, and 5 just got off the ship and is en route.

The good news: they should have absolute gakloads of stuff to ship.

The bad news: unless they can ship ~4,000 packages in about a week (including those pesky International boxes), they're going to be dipping into November.

And here is the weekly Palladium propaganda.

I mean, newsletter. :-P

Snipped out the pertinent RRT info. Apologies if I trimmed something important, but this thing is like 20 pages long and a good 3/4 of it or more is copy/pasted week to week, so I'm not going hunting.

I will note that (not included) the estimated retail date is has finally been changed from September to November. That was pretty funny for a couple of months there.

UPDATE: Robotech® RPG Tactics™

Volunteers and paid helpers were plentiful last weekend. Christopher, who helped on both Saturday and Sunday, Jennifer, Nathan and maniac Todd were all awesome and a big help. In addition, we’ve had freelancers Mark Dudley, Ben Rodriguez, Charles Walton and Carmen Bellaire lending a hand, as well as paid helpers Diane, Jesse and Michelle, and the Palladium staff. Thank you, one and all. Several hundred Kickstarters were shipped out and close to 1,000 shipping boxes were constructed in anticipation of receiving containers #3 and #4, both of which were expected this week.

I also want to thank the couple dozen local Kickstarter backers who swung by the office to pick up their order. It was nice putting a face to some of our backers, chatting for a few minutes and being able to shake their hands to thank them personally for their support. Oh, and those of you who want to drive in to pick up your pledge AFTER we get Container #3 next week, you are welcome to do so – just call first so we know when to expect you. One of us will usually try to chat for a few minutes and show you what the pieces look like built and painted.

Remember that old Warner Brothers cartoon where Bugs Bunny kept tricking Daffy Duck into saying, “Shoot me now,” and he’d get shot over and over again? We are starting to understand how Daffy must have felt. Yes, I know he was a cartoon character. But aren’t we all?

Shipment of Robotech® RPG Tactics™ is stalled until we receive Container #3 or #4. I had originally written, “and we do not know when that might be. Whah.” But we just got the happy news that Container #3 is finally getting put onto a truck for delivery to Palladium Books. Barring anything else unforeseen, we should get it sometime NEXT week! Thank the lucky stars! It had been delayed due to a shortage of available trailer chassis, apparently resulting from the continuing congestion and backlog caused by the dock fire a few weeks ago.

Container #4 is on its way to Detroit (it is coming by rail), but has been selected for review by Customs in Detroit once it gets here, which suggests its delivery may be delayed another week. Hey, we’re just happy to be getting Container #3 so we can start shipping faster and in much larger quantities. We had been facing an impending shortage of main box games, but that all changes with the arrival of Container #3 next week. Woo hoo!

PLEASE NOTE: As a result, we do NOT need help this weekend, October 17-19, but can use plenty of help the following weekend, October 24-26. Once the product arrives, we are prepared to ship at a lightning pace – several hundred packages every day until they are shipped out to our Kickstarter backers!

Container #5 arrived in port this week and should go on a train any day now. Containers #6 and #7 are at sea. Containers #8 and #9 should leave China in a week or so. And that’s it for Wave One!

FYI: In order to speed up our shipping processes and get as many orders out as quickly as we can, we are shipping in groups of like combinations (one or two items, prints only, etc.), with the largest batches of identical orders first. So we are currently shipping Battle Cry rewards. Next will be Showdown, followed by Reckless and so on. We are shipping domestic orders/USA first because they are much faster to process (no Customs documentation to fill out for each package), and then Canada and overseas. We are hoping to have all Wave One Kickstarter rewards to have left the Palladium warehouse by the end of October or beginning of November. Robotech® RPG Tactics™ products should appear in stores around Thanksgiving in the USA.

REMINDER: Please get us any change of address immediately. With these stinking delays at port and Customs, there are a few days left for many of you to get us your address changes! Please do it right NOW! Seriously. Please check BackerKit ( http://robotech-rpg-tacticstm.backerkit.com ) and make sure your address is correct. If anything doesn’t look right, please send us your address in a Kickstarter message or via email at kickstarter@palladiumbooks.com or call the Palladium office at 734-721-2903 with your new information. TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE!!! Do not risk your reward going to the wrong address because YOU failed to update your address.

If your rewards go to the wrong address they might be lost and unreplaceable. NOTE: Palladium Books will NOT be liable for lost goods if you have moved and did not tell us in time (and the cut off date was weeks ago. MOREOVER, you will be required to pay the additional shipping to redirect the package to the correct address. Please save yourself time and money and make sure your address is correct right NOW. Thank you. This applies only to those of you who have moved (which has been several hundred people). If you have not moved and you submitted your correct address long ago, we have it and you are good to go. FYI: There are a couple dozen of you who still have NOT yet sent us your address at all. What are you waiting for? Product is shipping. Get us your address.

HELP Wanted: Volunteers wanted October 24-26 and probably thru November 2nd

We are looking for volunteers to help make boxes, pack boxes, tape boxes and ship Robotech® RPG Tactics™. If you live in the area and are willing and able to help, please contact us at the Palladium office (734-721-2903 tel.). Please do so even if you’ve already let us know you are willing to help. We are happy to trade some Palladium products for your help. Thank you.

So, yeah, totally going to ship out a good 80%+ of the backer kits in a week and a half. Totally. Especially those complicated International orders.

I, for one, feel confident that my box will be shipped out by the beginning of November. Totally.

(spoiler: not at all confident, already writing the overwrought and melodramatic FATE HAS FAILED US, WHO KNEW SHIPPING THIS MUCH STUFF WAS SO TIME CONSUMING!? message in my head)

That's incredibly disheartening. Thanks for the sharing the update, Forar.

I think I have reached that point where I actually have lost all interest in Robotech Tactics. Mainly due to the fact that my copy will be delayed until they've done all the domestic orders, and who knows how far down the line my backerkit number is. Suffice to say I have no confidence I will be receiving a copy before the end of the year.

At the moment, Infinity has all my attention. Might just ebay by copy of RTs.

Apologies for the self important cross posting, but... food for thought. Stated in response to the usual "omg I've waited decades for this, what's a couple more weeks?" claptrap.

"Yup. Just a couple more weeks. Always a couple more weeks. Couple more weeks since August, when it was totally not a big deal for them to have sold at Gencon because we'd all be getting our stuff in a couple of weeks!

Now imagine if they had sold at Gencon in August, and 2 months later were just ramping up to essentially start shipping out possibly 80%+ of their backer boxes.
Yup. Always just a couple more weeks. Except... when it isn't. ;-)"

Someone should ask them to post the TCN's so I can track them

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Actually someone who has CAC card access

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https://national.rfitv.army.mil/login/Login.do

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its RFID tracking. Key word search base. I will not provide GTN access lol

 judgedoug wrote:

 Desert Lurker wrote:

I'm getting this to be safe
http://www.hobbylinc.com/htm/pls/pls00002.htm

That is the absolute best thing you can get, for any plastic model.

I like my Tamiya Thin (Green cap) for GW, and scale models. Gap filling super glue for resin. I know HobbyTown USA has Plasstruct otherwise I'd be ebaying the Tamiya stuff.

Has anyone seen any battle reports pop up yet??

Since I'm once of the Reckless people, I'd be very surprised if my stuff showed up before Christmas this year.

My wife always gives me a good laugh when a KS box shows up and it's never Robotech and always something like Wave 2 of Deadzone, Wave 2 of Myth, soon to be Wave 2 of AQotAF.

Nope no battle reports as of yet. one pic of a test battle among his laser cut terrani on Facebook. Very nice stuff buildings. But that's about it.

To be fair, it's possible that less than 1,000 people in the world have their boxes, and only around 200 have had them for more than a few days. It'll take time to build some figures and learn the rules sufficiently to play much more than a demo.

But I'm sure that'll change when over 5,000 people have their boxes in November. ;-)

November?! Optimist!

... hence the winky face.

;-)

 judgedoug wrote:

 Desert Lurker wrote:

I'm getting this to be safe
http://www.hobbylinc.com/htm/pls/pls00002.htm

That is the absolute best thing you can get, for any plastic model.

Thanks to you guys, I've just gone out and bought some. And some more Precision Poly Cement for HIPS models. And some Loctite Ultra Gel for any restic or metal Mantic might send me.

I'm turning into a glue junkie and I'm not even sniffing it!

and I just ordered this from amazon. Water clean up putty.
my scale modeler friends tell me its awesome.

Perfect Plastic Putty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stLzShlnrEk

I might be enlisting in the marines in the very near future...I'd REALLY like to get my RRT before then >.>

 Spartan-Kun wrote:
I might be enlisting in the marines in the very near future...I'd REALLY like to get my RRT before then

If they actually get all US boxes in the Mail by the end of the month, you could totally have it in hand in the next 3 weeks.

That is, however, a huge IF, that requires them to actually get container 3 and 4 this week.

 Spartan-Kun wrote:
I might be enlisting in the marines in the very near future...I'd REALLY like to get my RRT before then >.>

You are not spending crap during your entire time at Boot. Actually just the basics. So you might actually have a flush bank account. There be times when you can call home and tell mom/dad to make a purchase for you so once all your training done. Including that advance infantry you all get regardless of MOS and get to permanent party (unit) you will have plenty to assemble and paint

They just put a full list of what is and isn't in each wave for every pledge level, so that's nice at least.

Tell you what though, I'd be really amused if, after all of these continuing delays from Palladium, the Battlefoam bags still haven't been done yet

They have the Battlefoam bags in the warehouse. There was an update a couple of months ago showing off stacks of them.

I know those have held up other campaigns (and had this one delivered wave one even remotely close to their intended delivery date, it might well have held some orders up here), but that shouldn't be a concern.

Painting tutorial you folks might find useful (if it's not been on here already)

http://rpgandtactics.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/vermillion-squadron-part-1.html

Great tutorial! I need to practice some of these steps before I risk a precious Valkyrie!

Woah. Guys, this may be of interest to you.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/616900694/24x24-wireless-power-board-game-terrain-and-miniat

Started a thread in News and Rumours about it here.

Obviously useful for more than just RRT. Only being a 2' x 2' section could mean it just goes to a small town/city section in a corner or middle of a table, but considering some of the sums a few of us dropped on this game, 4 to 6 mats to cover an entire table wouldn't shock me for a few of y'all either.

Um. Can someone else read this thread?

This thread makes it sound like this guy ordered at Gencon and he is getting his stuff shipped prior to kickstarter fullfillment.

http://www.robotech.com/community/forum/read.php?id=2198126&forumid=10


No, that is exactly what it says. WTF!

 Swabby wrote:
Um. Can someone else read this thread?

This thread makes it sound like this guy ordered at Gencon and he is getting his stuff shipped prior to kickstarter fullfillment.

http://www.robotech.com/community/forum/read.php?id=2198126&forumid=10


No, that is exactly what it says. WTF!

Yeah, that is exactly what he's saying.

Time to warm up the torch-fork ballista and drag it up to Michigan.

To be fair, the 'quote' is as follows;

Okay, I just recieved an e-mail from Palladium, informing of the RPG tactics shipping.

I feel better now. One, they definitely have my e-mail address. Two, product is on it's way.

The "product is on its way" could mean it's being shipped now (I'll get my coat, hat, and torch), or simply that they assured him that it'd be shipping soon (the "informing me of the shipping" line).

Probably worth double checking that he means that literally a box is on its way to him, and not just that they told him the timeline.

If anything, I'm going to guess that they still have some Core Boxes sitting around collecting dust and maybe fired off his while they wait for Containers 3&4 to arrive.

Which is still ire worthy, but considering the results of the "vote" where they were going to just sell hundreds of boxes to anyone with the money up front, somehow I don't find this at all surprising.

Hell, think of it this way; that guy spent $100 US for a core box. For another $40-70 bucks, most of us are getting like twice the stuff in wave one, and another pile of figures in wave two (usual caveats apply).

Basically.... mehhhhhhhhhh.

We need a new poll, would all those people who dont mind waiting like their ordered left until everyone else has theirs?

That is how I felt about the yes/no votes. If you voted yes that instantly should have kicked your shipment to the back of the line.

Palladium shipping to other people before backers? Why am I not surprised.

 Jihadin wrote:

 Spartan-Kun wrote:
I might be enlisting in the marines in the very near future...I'd REALLY like to get my RRT before then >.>

You are not spending crap during your entire time at Boot. Actually just the basics. So you might actually have a flush bank account. There be times when you can call home and tell mom/dad to make a purchase for you so once all your training done. Including that advance infantry you all get regardless of MOS and get to permanent party (unit) you will have plenty to assemble and paint

I'm wanting to go into Recon, if I can't do that then Infantry. I'm counting on being deployed, that way when I get back I can just make some BIG A$$ orders of miniatures/anime/manga :3

I find it honestly hilarious that PB's stuff keeps getting flagged for customs inspection. If that's true I'd take those odds to Vegas. I really wonder if it's not just some half-ass excuse however.

 Spartan-Kun wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:

 Spartan-Kun wrote:
I might be enlisting in the marines in the very near future...I'd REALLY like to get my RRT before then >.>

You are not spending crap during your entire time at Boot. Actually just the basics. So you might actually have a flush bank account. There be times when you can call home and tell mom/dad to make a purchase for you so once all your training done. Including that advance infantry you all get regardless of MOS and get to permanent party (unit) you will have plenty to assemble and paint

I'm wanting to go into Recon, if I can't do that then Infantry. I'm counting on being deployed, that way when I get back I can just make some BIG A$$ orders of miniatures/anime/manga :3

So...you wanna play soldier for reals in order to afford to play with toy soldiers?

Uhm...cool?

I hadn't started miniatures games when I decided I wanted to enlist. So no that's not the case ^^;;

I'm sure it's because Palladium is woefully upset that they couldn't sell at Gen Con like they had promised they'd do, so they need to send the Gen Con purchasers their items first to make up for the bruised feelings of not being able to provide product to them at time of purchase. Priorities man.

Did any of you guys actually read that thread?

To what in particular are you referring, because it was ambiguous as feth, and given that it's a month old, probably a non-issue.

Also, why are we talking in Bold now?