This massive event is a celebration of everything about the worlds of Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000; the miniatures, the backgrounds, the stories and the games. You will encounter fantastic miniatures, seminars, in-depth demonstrations and inspiring displays.
Warhammer Fest will also feature 2016’s ‘classic’ format of Golden Demon, with a wide range of categories to enter your stunningly painted miniatures into – or just to come along and admire the work on display.
Venue: Ricoh Arena, UK. To find out more about the venue, click here.
Dates: Saturday 14th & Sunday 15th May 2016
Tickets: Adult £20 Child £10.
Tickets on Sale: TBC
(interesting they're not marketing it at the worlds of Azyr and Warhammer 40K)
I know the joke got made before in previous threads about the Warhammerfests in the past, but this time it's even more appropriate due to the old world no longer existing. Warhammerfest has been quite literally sent to Coventry.
I'm hoping Mr Rountree will let the Citadel team do more than they have been doing at these sort of events, and actually, engage with the community a good bit more.
(interesting they're not marketing it at the worlds of Azyr and Warhammer 40K)
I know the joke got made before in previous threads about the Warhammerfests in the past, but this time it's even more appropriate due to the old world no longer existing. Warhammerfest has been quite literally sent to Coventry.
They haven't gotten rid of Ghal Maraz, soo they can still market it as the World of Warhammer
I live in Coventry, so this is no hassle for me to get to. Yet it is a shame that the only reason I would consider going to this is that it may save me a few quid in postage on a £200 odd (and under £250) Forge World order to pick it up in person.
GW certainly want people to call it Warhammer, or at least they do now, which is the point being made I suspect - until recently they were happy, even eager, to talk about Age of Sigmar.
Warhammer Fest is a celebration of everything about the worlds of Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000; the miniatures, the backgrounds, the stories and the games. You will encounter fantastic miniatures, seminars, in-depth demonstrations and inspiring displays.
You will also be able to pick up the latest releases from Games Workshop, Forge World and Black Library, along with exclusive event only merchandise. With such a wide range of activities, you can plan your day around specific elements, or just enjoy whatever grabs your attention.
Things to See and Do
There’s a lot more to be announced and more details we’ll be confirming, but to whet your appetite. here are the first highlights of what to expect.
On Sunday Warhammer Fest will be hosting the 2016 Golden Demon Miniatures Painting Competition, the calendar highlight for miniatures painters throughout the world. If you want to compete and showcase your painting skills, or be a spectator to this extravaganza of miniatures, then this is a fantastic opportunity!
More about the Golden Demon, including how to enter the competition, will be revealed soon.
Warhamer Fest WHW_Photos_104Design Teams
Staff from Games Workshop’s various Design Studios will all be joining us at Warhammer Fest so you can meet the dedicated teams that bring to life the worlds we all love.
This is your chance to chat with them and ask any burning questions about Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000, as well as seeing their work up close and personal.
The Art Gallery
Things to take Home
Get an exclusive memento of your experience with event only products to use in your games and show off to your friends. Pick up something special as a lasting memento of your day or weekend experience.
More about any event exclusive or pre-release items will be revealed soon.
More to come!…
We’ll be announcing details for all of the great things above soon, as well as even more for you to see and do at the event that we’re keeping a surprise for now. Watch the blog and facebook for details!
Check out some of the highlights from the last Warhammer Fest below!
AndrewGPaul wrote: OK then; what should the event be called? "Warhammer-40,000-and-Warhammer:Age-Of-Sigmar-Fest-and-Horus-Heresy-fest doesn't trip off the tongue.
Im not really arsed either way to be honest, but it still says warhammer on the box and all the books, like it or not.
And people can like the fact that some people may remove Turnips and create a hybrid and call it a Turniporange.
it is still in fact anew thing that has very little to do with the original no matter what its called.
Yeah, but you don't get a choice in what it's called, GW do and it's still called Warhammer: Age of Sigmar and what you think of that doesn't matter in the slightest.
Well, bought a ticket.
Little alarmed it's now £20, I assume that covers admission to the exhibition hall (7.50), but the rest, dunno.
Because I live far away and can only get there at actual opening time, I never get to see the presentations at these things. I hope the folks who do will take pics.
AndrewGPaul wrote: OK then; what should the event be called? "Warhammer-40,000-and-Warhammer:Age-Of-Sigmar-Fest-and-Horus-Heresy-fest doesn't trip off the tongue.
AndrewGPaul wrote: OK then; what should the event be called? "Warhammer-40,000-and-Warhammer:Age-Of-Sigmar-Fest-and-Horus-Heresy-fest doesn't trip off the tongue.
They could name it after a whole day of gaming. I'm not sure what they could possibly call it though...
Buttery Commissar wrote: Well, bought a ticket.
Little alarmed it's now £20, I assume that covers admission to the exhibition hall (7.50), but the rest, dunno.
Because I live far away and can only get there at actual opening time, I never get to see the presentations at these things. I hope the folks who do will take pics.
Salute is now £20 on the door and £12 Online and they have over 100 exhibitors paying South London Warlords to be there, GW doesn't have that luxury and I don't think all the staff that'll be there do it for free. It also keeps numbers down as if it was free entry it'll be overcrowded and they'd have to turn people away most probably.
Buttery Commissar wrote: Well, bought a ticket.
Little alarmed it's now £20, I assume that covers admission to the exhibition hall (7.50), but the rest, dunno.
Because I live far away and can only get there at actual opening time, I never get to see the presentations at these things. I hope the folks who do will take pics.
Salute is now £20 on the door and £12 Online and they have over 100 exhibitors paying South London Warlords to be there, GW doesn't have that luxury and I don't think all the staff that'll be there do it for free. It also keeps numbers down as if it was free entry it'll be overcrowded and they'd have to turn people away most probably.
Is it £20 per day, or £20 for both days?
Either way its not the worst it could be. This week I'm putting on SmogCon V, a three day gaming convention. We charge £50 a head, which gets you entry and some dice.
The biggest cost every year is venue hire. There is no way to avoid this (unless you have a suitable privately owned venue, eg Warhammer World) but as GW are doing this out of house, that's no doubt where the money is going.
Seeing is from the side of things I do, event running is a very fine line to tread, the margin is extremely slim (I've got 450 guests this year, and the budget has never been tighter). Its rare I leap to GW's defence, but in this case I'd say £20 for a weekend event isn't too bad, and £20 for a day isn't the worst.
Of course, I'd say Warhammer fest might need a little tweaking in format and what it offers to be worth that money (and if GW want to offer me a job doing their event management I'd love to ) but again, they are paying for an external venue and that's what is costing.
Buttery Commissar wrote: Well, bought a ticket.
Little alarmed it's now £20, I assume that covers admission to the exhibition hall (7.50), but the rest, dunno.
Because I live far away and can only get there at actual opening time, I never get to see the presentations at these things. I hope the folks who do will take pics.
Salute is now £20 on the door and £12 Online and they have over 100 exhibitors paying South London Warlords to be there, GW doesn't have that luxury and I don't think all the staff that'll be there do it for free. It also keeps numbers down as if it was free entry it'll be overcrowded and they'd have to turn people away most probably.
The exact same thing was £11.75 last year.
Also WHW would be open with or without the event running, and their stores will likely take more in the first hour of WF than they do in person all week.
I said I was alarmed, didn't say I refused to pay it.
Buttery Commissar wrote: Well, bought a ticket.
Little alarmed it's now £20, I assume that covers admission to the exhibition hall (7.50), but the rest, dunno.
Because I live far away and can only get there at actual opening time, I never get to see the presentations at these things. I hope the folks who do will take pics.
Salute is now £20 on the door and £12 Online and they have over 100 exhibitors paying South London Warlords to be there, GW doesn't have that luxury and I don't think all the staff that'll be there do it for free. It also keeps numbers down as if it was free entry it'll be overcrowded and they'd have to turn people away most probably.
The exact same thing was £11.75 last year.
Also WHW would be open with or without the event running, and their stores will likely take more in the first hour of WF than they do in person all week.
I said I was alarmed, didn't say I refused to pay it.
they may well have made a loss last year then, or else this is classic GW price evolution.
That is quite a hike, I will agree. Again, was that £11.75 per day, or for both days?
Buttery Commissar wrote: Per day, and included talks and museum access.
That was the first day the FW store was open to the public, I doubt they took a hit.
I forget they can sell product, I have a store on site, but its independent of me and I don't get a cut, so yes that would lessen the blow for sure.
How big was the event? How many people, what sort of floor space.
I'm putting on three ballrooms worth of gaming tables, plus a breakout space for board/card games, flying in four guys from PPHQ (America) and anyone staying on site gets a free mini and some more dice. That's what £50 buys you in the world of PP events.
its a four star hotel, and we have a Koi pond and a waterfall :p
I'd love a run at doing something similar for GW with the full backing of the mothership, akin to the Games Days of old, but taking some ideas from the PP and other companies who are a little more contemporary in their thinking. Sadly, we all know GW isn't that keen on 21st C thinking (though they are getting better).
I have paid to go round the GW museum at the new rate, its a really fantastic experience, but I did feel the £7.50 each was a little steep. Guess they need to pay off that renovation somehow; )
Again, this is off site, so they are shifting kit and personnel down there, but as they don't really offer mass open gaming any more, its more people in rooms talking than anything else right? Which has its merit of course.
Just trying to get a feel for what they are charging for (beyond the brand name).
"Great news, folks! For all those interested in entering the Classic Golden Demon event at Warhammer Fest on the 15th May at the Ricoh Arena in Coventry, you can now check out all thedetails for the competition and download the full category guide and entry forms by going here"
ForgeWorld wrote:There’ll be plenty going on over the weekend, including in-depth seminars and fun activities.
Seminars
If you’re a fan Black Library’s books, a range of their authors will be joining us for the weekend at Warhammer Fest. You can have a casual chat, get your books signed, and they’ll also be taking part in seminars, looking in greater depth at the worlds of Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000. Come along and you can meet; Chris Wraight; Laurie Goulding; David Guymer; Gav Thorpe; John French; James Swallow; and Neil Roberts.
The seminar sessions are always popular, a chance to hear directly from the minds behind your favourite fantasy creations, ask questions, and perhaps get a sneaky look at what’s coming up…
We can’t reveal all of the seminars yet (it would give too much away) but Warhammer Fest 2016 will include Forge World’s exciting look ahead at what’s to come, and a Black Library Horus Heresy seminar.
When you arrive at Warhammer Fest, you can sign up for free for the seminars of your choice. Each seminar will be run twice each day – so although spaces are limited, each seminar will happen four times over the whole weekend.
Activity Zone
The Activity Zone found on the ground floor will have a plethora of activites to entertain oyu in any spare moments you may have on the day.
Bring and Battle: There you will find an area to bring your armies and play games. (Please note that we only have a limited number of tables so be sensible with the armies you bring!)
Board Game Area: Here we will have a selection of the latest GW board games for you to participate in.
Scrap Demon Challenge: A chance to indulge your creative side as we provide you with a theme, models, clippers and glue and you must create the most inventive diorama you can! Once it’s done we will take a photo of it for our Facebook page and then you can take it home.
Reading about that activity zone, I will be extremely surprised if the new warhammer quest game is not there and playable. I am expecting it to be either released or up for preorder that weekend.
Does anyone know if the golden demon rules have changed this year? I was interested in competing with my unit of Plague Drones, but there are only 3, and it states minimum unit size of 5. I have noticed in years gone by there have been units of 3 in the fantasy category. Is this a new rule or a misprint?
We can also announce that Games Workshop’s newly appointed Middle-earth team will be showcasing their projects at Warhammer Fest.
AND you'll get First Access to formerly out-of- production products like all five The Lord of The Rings TM Sourcebooks and several absent Citadel miniatures! We're revealing more soon...
Buttery Commissar wrote: My apologies, I'm running a chest infection- The event this time last year wasn't at an arena, I'm getting confused.
Warhammer fest was at the Coventry Ricoh in 2014, Warhammer World for 2015 for the grand reopening, and back to the Ricoh for this year. It was £20 in 2014, £11.75 in 2015, and back to £20 this year, I guess it cost them an extra £8.25 to hire the Ricoh and drive everything down there
I, and my friends are going on the Sunday for our annual shopping trip.
See the Middle-earth™ team in the Studio Area on the first floor, and get a first-hand glimpse of their latest work-in-progress models. Also, feast your eyes on displays of fantastic Citadel miniatures and talk to the team about the new rules and books they are working on.
Also, a swathe of formerly out-of-production products will be available to buy at Warhammer Fest! All five The Lord of The Rings™ Sourcebooks will be available to buy on the day for the first time in an age (and they won’t hit the Games Workshop website for up to two months after the event).
The Kingdoms of Men, The Free Peoples, Mordor, The Fallen Realms and Moria & Angmar unlock the armies from The Lord of the Rings™ and enable you to use them in games with your The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey™ rules manual. If you’ve been hankering to get your hands on one of these precious tomes, Warhammer Fest is the place to be.
Osgiliath-RuinsThe Middle-earth™ team are preparing for their first adventure together, as they get ready to greet the masses at Warhammer Fest. Come along and meet them on the day and learn all about the future of the Strategy Battle Game.
Not only will you be able to get First Access to reprinted out-of-production The Lord of The Rings™ Sourcebooks, and the first returning miniatures, one of the items making a welcome return is the fantastic Ruins of Osgiliath kit, a plastic scenery set that’s perfect for your Middle-earth™ adventures.
There will be a limited number available to buy each day at Warhammer Fest, before they are generally available, so if you want to recapture Gondor’s ancient capital (or just populate your game board with awesomely detailed plastic Middle-earth terrain), don’t hang about.
Event only Eye of Sauron™ Badge
As well as the First Access items in the sales area, if you visit the Middle-earth™ team, you can take a little something away with you too.
The Middle-earth team will also be bringing along a bucket* full of Eye of Sauron™ badges to give away. You can’t buy these effigies of the Red Eye, but stop by the Middle-earth team on the first floor for a chat and they will happily hand you one of your own, for free. Until they run out, that is…
There is a new power rising in Middle-earth… and you don’t want to miss out.
See you at Warhammer Fest!
* It might not be an actual bucket. Currently they’re looking around for a more fitting receptacle… they have been seen scouring Games Workshop HQ for a pack-pony called Bill, an Orc helmet or a Troll’s talking pocket. Let’s face it, a bucket is most likely.
Bit gutted that the FW event Praetor was physically sold out by 11.00 am ish, although you could order him with free delivery from the stands but that kind of ruins the impulse buy feel of it. Queueing for 40 minutes to get in was a bit of an annoyance as well...apart from that I really enjoyed the event.
Thraxas Of Turai wrote: Bit gutted that the FW event Praetor was physically sold out by 11.00 am ish, although you could order him with free delivery from the stands but that kind of ruins the impulse buy feel of it. Queueing for 40 minutes to get in was a bit of an annoyance as well...apart from that I really enjoyed the event.
Just out of curiosity how much is that model? Ebay "Angels" were prompt to post it at 52 quid. I'm guessing that's at least double. thx
And I see that "Tau vs Adeptus Mechanicus" changed to "Tau vs Imperium w/Special Guests, the Adeptus Mechanicus" and now to "Tau vs the Red Scorpions (again) w/cameo appearance by the Adeptus Mechanicus".
BB stuff looks good.
The Tau super suits look great. One of them has a great rack! *rimshot* The not-Blight Drone is cool as well.
I think I just peeed myself. Actual Phoenix Spears for upgrades. Culln in a Leviathan dread? Legion Moritat with belt fed pistols. New legion army book. Macrocarid tank. Squeeee!
Well, I certainly paid £25 for the praetor. The warlord titan really is massive!
'eavy metal was good as usual, and I got a few painting tips from them which was good. No golden demon entries unfortunately, but there were a TON of staff armies. There was also a guy dressed up as a Necron stalking the area. That happened.
It was so much better than the previous fest, and I will totally be going next year.
I like the new Barracuda in that pic. Keeps most of the same profile from the top, but it looks a lot less deep, more thin and sleek, with a faster look.
WarbossDakka wrote: Well, I certainly paid £25 for the praetor. The warlord titan really is massive!
'eavy metal was good as usual, and I got a few painting tips from them which was good. No golden demon entries unfortunately, but there were a TON of staff armies. There was also a guy dressed up as a Necron stalking the area. That happened.
It was so much better than the previous fest, and I will totally be going next year.
Seeing the staff armies was pretty cool, a lot of achievable results and "gamer" rather than painter armies. The Necron Lord dude must have been 8 foot tall in that outfit, it looked a bit of a pain really.
Interesting to hear that it was much better than last year, 2015 must have been kind of sparse then?
And thanks to ShaneTB for the many excellent photos
angelofvengeance wrote: While Blood Bowl isn't really my thing, those Gouged Eye Orcs are MEAN! Same guy who did the Ironjawz Orruks maybe?
The BB ones? No, that's Mark from FW. He had free reign. Did not want an army look. Wanted them to look like actual sport teams in an alt. fantasy world (which they confirmed this is).
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angelofvengeance wrote: Any more stuff or is that it til tomorrow?
What was WHQ:Silver Tower like by the way? They were doing demos weren't they?
Ha. Brian's fried so yes or no answers would be better right now...
I enjoyed it. Each turn you roll your four dice and place them in the squares of your character card. You then use these against action costs to activate them. So moving is a 1+. An ability might need a 4+. At the end of the round any monsters then react according to a random table (per monster). Exploring brings up a new tile from the deck.
There's also an adventure book element. On the final card you read X paragraph from X page. The aim is to collect the eight secret pieces - each one in a separate realm with its own special rules. This is the campaign.
More to it than that but there's the basics.
I can see a lot of modern boardgame influence in it. Was super easy to pick up.
And I am in love with the little fish familar. She is a stunner.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh, and when there are no monsters you get respite. You heal and can move to anywhere on the board (i.e. regroup).
Oh, each hero has four wounds. These are your dice slots. So when you take a wound a skull token goes on a square. So you're down to three dice. Then two. So you get considerably weaker each hit.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh, and rules for other heroes in the app are for "plastic" heroes.
...Brian? I meant brain. Possibly called Brian, who knows.
Was the fest the first demo place for total war: Warhammer? If it was I was especially lucky getting to play it- it was full nearly every time I walked past it.
The worst thing is though, out of everything I got, I want to try out my new Emperors' Children dice the most
Now, that Culln Leviathan Dreadnought....
I swear to god it better ACTUALLY be Culln as Carb Culln has changed every time he has been in an Imperial Armour!
(First a Veteran Sgt in Siege of Vraks, Then a Captain in the Anphelion Project THEN Chapter Master in Badab War, he cant go any higher, so why not have the Chapter Master become a BADASS LEVIATHAN SIEGE DREADNOUGHT AS THE CHAPTER MASTER?!?!?)
Having a Standard Leviathan dreadnought in the Red Scorpions contradicts their Fluff, as they adhere to the Codex Astartes MORE than the Ultramarines
My brain is awash with info today, but what I recall is... The Hive Fleet gave Calln a right good kickin'. So they wired what was left of him into that dreadnaught. A new captain has stepped in for now (his model was shown)... As the 'Scorpions have full deployed at the old Forge World
I'm hoping by the fact that a Thanatar pic was shown in the new IA book that we'll be allowed to ally them into our 40K AdMech forces. Although I thought fluff had said that cybernetica units were verboten after the Heresy. Which is why the Kastelans are run by punch cards, as opposed to the Castellax which have a modicum of free will.
The Macrocarid is nice, too. It'll be interesting to see how many different weapons they produce for the kit as add-ons coz there are a ton of options in the army list entry.
Ok, not exactly much to show here except the poster below.
However talking to Andy Hoare, Mark Bedford and Chris Drew I can mention the following:
The game is set during the Horus Heresy in the spirit of the original Adeptus Titanicus.
It will begin with just Titans.
The scale will be 8mm - They decided on this scale after 3D printing a Marine, Dread, Leman Russ, Warlord and a Mastodon in three different scales. 8mm was deemed the best as you could see the details to the point of telling different armour marks apart but didn't make the Titans too big.
8mm will make a Warlord around 6" tall (that's what it looked like why Andy Hoare put his hands apart, don't blame me if the final model is smaller or larger...).
The models will be produced in resin by Forge World.
Typical force may be in the region of two Warlords, two Reavers and two-three Warhounds.
More Titan variants are possible.
Down the road infantry and tanks are to be introduced.
Other forces are also possible, this includes Xenos which can be introduced in a themed expansion, e.g. Adeptus Titanicus: Armageddon to bring in the Orks.
Currently the Titans are being 3D modelled by Chris Drew, the Warlord has been done as the 40k version was originally 3D modelled so it was a case of just scaling things down and getting it to work as a model which can be manufactured.
We may, may, get to see something at the Forge World Open Day...(may, depending on Tony Cottrell)
Malika2 wrote: 8mm huh...got to start all over again then :(
Only if they monkey with base sizes. 6mm isn't all that different to 8mm, especially with vehicles. You won't be able to use old and new (if it is ever released) stuff in the same formation/list but I for one will not be starting my Epic armies all over again.
As my Orks are all on round bases and my Marines are on rectangular bases its a fair bet that one of them will be invalid by the time that GW ever get round to releasing actual armies. As Epic models are effectively impossible to rebase I will probably just stick to Epic:A (which Is what I will probably be doing anyway )
Did anyone get a look at the rules for the new Barracuda? Usually with models on sale for the first time at these events they give you a sheet with the rules.
Ok, not exactly much to show here except the poster below.
However talking to Andy Hoare, Mark Bedford and Chris Drew I can mention the following:
The game is set during the Horus Heresy in the spirit of the original Adeptus Titanicus.
It will begin with just Titans.
The scale will be 8mm - They decided on this scale after 3D printing a Marine, Dread, Leman Russ, Warlord and a Mastodon in three different scales. 8mm was deemed the best as you could see the details to the point of telling different armour marks apart but didn't make the Titans too big.
8mm will make a Warlord around 6" tall (that's what it looked like why Andy Hoare put his hands apart, don't blame me if the final model is smaller or larger...).
The models will be produced in resin by Forge World.
Typical force may be in the region of two Warlords, two Reavers and two-three Warhounds.
More Titan variants are possible.
Down the road infantry and tanks are to be introduced.
Other forces are also possible, this includes Xenos which can be introduced in a themed expansion, e.g. Adeptus Titanicus: Armageddon to bring in the Orks.
Currently the Titans are being 3D modelled by Chris Drew, the Warlord has been done as the 40k version was originally 3D modelled so it was a case of just scaling things down and getting it to work as a model which can be manufactured.
We may, may, get to see something at the Forge World Open Day...(may, depending on Tony Cottrell)
Interested in infantry so I can finally build a portable Combat Patrol/Kill Team/low points 40k-in-a-box. I've wanted that for years now. Wasn't possible though.* Getting into FW Epic itself will be way too expensive. Then again by the time they have a broad range out I should already be a doctor
*Epic was already dead when I decided to do this, but I should've gotten Warmaster stuff at least.
All in all I think Warhammerfest was a bit better than last year, but still pretty crappy, not a patch on the glorious games days of old, its now just a sales day, without enough stock....
The painting pods or whatever they were called were quite amusing I thought, not very well thought out at all, you could not hear the person doing the demonstration nor could you see what they were doing as the cameras were not even in focus.
A shame really because some of the staff that were on those demos really are good at what they do and they have a lot they could tell us, it was a real shame that only a small handfull of people could actually see or hear what was happening.
The video game section, well its better than not having one I guess, but I think it is a bit of a kop out just to fill a room with a load of computer games. One thing for sure is that GW are going all out with the video games licences, there is a lot of shovel ware but also some solid titles in there as well.
Was nice to see and demo the new board game and see the up and coming blood bowl board, some teams and a few concept sketches.
The only thing I really enjoyed as always were the seminars, shame I could only get in one this year, I was on the bus home by two oclock this year wondering why on earth they refer to it as a fest...
better luck next time I guess..
I don't think anybody will be shocked that the scale for Epic is changing. Although with 8mm marines the old IG infantry should be about the right size A rough top size of 6 inches would give us a Warlord that's between a 40k Dreadknight and a Imperial knight in size. Should be a impressive kit, hopefully with plenty of scope for add-ons and variants. Really looking forward to this release and there redesign of the Emperor class(Its FW there's no way there not going to make one).
Breotan wrote: So Bloodbowl is officially on 32mm round bases then?
Did base size ever matter in Blood Bowl? Nobody ever seemed to care that my Dwarf team were on square bases (they did double duty as Slayers in my Dwarf army)
Since Rogue Factor will be at the Warhammer Fest this weekend in Coventry, we'll give the attendees an exclusive first look at our upcoming Warband: the Witch Hunters! This warband will include 7 new warriors and a full campaign.
Come visit us at the booth and we’ll be delighted to show you the Witch Hunters or discuss Mordheim and Warhammer in general.
For those who cannot attend the event, we will provide more information once we're back from the UK by the end of the month.
Did anyone see the Witch Hunter Warband for the Mordheim: City of the Damned (PC Game) What Hero Options, weapon options, Impressive options, skills etc?
I play the hell out of that game, and I'm pretty pumped to see more additions.
Malika2 wrote: Considering that most epic vehicles were already kinda small compared to the 6mm infantry...
Epic minis were such an inconsistent scale, where infantry, tanks, aircraft, Knights, Titans, and superheavies were all built at different scales consistent only with other minis of the same type. I think the most important take away is that these new miniatures will be a consistent scale. This will be Adeptus Titanicus and centered around Titans; I think that's an important consideration because they were the most out of scale in the Epic days when they introduced all the non-Titans. A Warlord in 8mm will end up roughly 6" tall, like a 40k Knight.
The game being Titan centric with the 8mm scale really aligns the different Titans with some standard kit sizes. Warlord is Knight sized, a Reaver dreadknight sized, a Warhound dreadnought sized, Knights being centurion sized... An Emperor Titan being almost 40k Warhound tall. Importantly this allows GW to produce kits with a quality of detail comparable to their other game lines rather than sacrificing detail. Going even further standard vehicles in the future will align to common product sizes, for instance a Rhino or Leman Russ will be about a 40k infantry model and will actually be a size that can benefit from the mix and match of parts... Infantry end up the size of a 40k marine torso instead of a marine head.
So, that mini warlord model that was around when they first introduced the 28mm version was probably the AT version after all?
I'm more interested in AT than absolutely anything else GW may produce in the next 5 years to be honest, the smaller scale suits the setting much, much more than 28mm ever will.
NoggintheNog wrote: So, that mini warlord model that was around when they first introduced the 28mm version was probably the AT version after all?
I'm more interested in AT than absolutely anything else GW may produce in the next 5 years to be honest, the smaller scale suits the setting much, much more than 28mm ever will.
I wish it were just one game for me... Battlefleet Gothic and Necromunda are also big hopes of mine.
And I see that "Tau vs Adeptus Mechanicus" changed to "Tau vs Imperium w/Special Guests, the Adeptus Mechanicus" and now to "Tau vs the Red Scorpions (again) w/cameo appearance by the Adeptus Mechanicus".
Yep. I get that the Red Scorpions are FW's baby and that they make a convenient vehicle(aha) for shunting out 40K rules for 30K Legion stuff, but I was really hoping a "starring role" in an IA book would get the Mechanicus some really awesome stuff, while now I don't expect much more than a few bits of fluff and maybe if we're lucky 40K rules for the Triaros and Krios.
OTOH - Adeptus Titanicus
Blood Bowl looks nice, not really my bag though.
New Fimir, even if it's just a single Noble, is awesome. I really hope FW keep expanding them.
The size of the new Knight is extremely disappointing IMO. A model just a wee bit bigger than a regular Knight would have been affordable and usable for me, this thing won't be either since it would see use so rarely I can't justify the inevitably inflated cost. Bad form FW.
The new giant Knight just seems like it going to be too difficult to use outside of apocalypse sized games.
The Cerastus' size made sense because it was really just longer legs but this is so bulky and close to a warhound you'd think its a crewed Knight. FW really needed to do something in between the Paladin and Cerastus chassis and by going bigger than the Cerastus, Paladins seem too small by comparison and there is a certain visual dissonance that makes it feel like the FW Knights don't necessarily belong alongside the GW ones.
And I see that "Tau vs Adeptus Mechanicus" changed to "Tau vs Imperium w/Special Guests, the Adeptus Mechanicus" and now to "Tau vs the Red Scorpions (again) w/cameo appearance by the Adeptus Mechanicus".
BB stuff looks good.
The Tau super suits look great. One of them has a great rack! *rimshot* The not-Blight Drone is cool as well.
Apparently the story has the Tau attacking a Forge World, so the Adeptus Mechanicus should still play a pretty big role.
It just seems like the Mechanicus have gone from being the stars to being the damsels in distress. Sure they'll be around and sure they'll kick some Xenos butt, but it gives the impression that they'll have less character and be less central to the narratives progression.
Crazyterran wrote: Is that giant knight going to be armed with turbolasers and have higher armour? Cause god damn.
To copy my reply over from the FW thread: It doesn't come with titan weaponry. Those guns are twin-linked magma lascannons: 72" S10 AP1 Ordnance 2, large blast (5")
edit.
And yes, it comes with AV 14 and more hullpoints, but at the cost of a lower initiative.
And I see that "Tau vs Adeptus Mechanicus" changed to "Tau vs Imperium w/Special Guests, the Adeptus Mechanicus" and now to "Tau vs the Red Scorpions (again) w/cameo appearance by the Adeptus Mechanicus".
BB stuff looks good.
The Tau super suits look great. One of them has a great rack! *rimshot* The not-Blight Drone is cool as well.
Apparently the story has the Tau attacking a Forge World, so the Adeptus Mechanicus should still play a pretty big role.
Or they get wiped out in the opening phases and have to rely on the Might Space Marines to once again save the day.
Crazyterran wrote: Is that giant knight going to be armed with turbolasers and have higher armour? Cause god damn.
To copy my reply over from the FW thread: It doesn't come with titan weaponry. Those guns are twin-linked magma lascannons: 72" S10 AP1 Ordnance 2, large blast (5")
edit.
And yes, it comes with AV 14 and more hullpoints, but at the cost of a lower initiative.
The important thing to note is that those test rules were written when they first showed it as being halfway between a Cerastus and Paladin chassis. I suspect now that they've made it that much larger it makes sense for its weapons to have more of a direct parallel to the Warhound's suite of weapons. From Warhound to Reaver to Warlord there is a lineage and progression of related weapons that are incrementally more powerful. These are certainly less than "turbolasers" but they obviously have some relationship. I suspect they may have decided to scale up the knight so that these weapons fit that progression better.
The write up I saw said something like 'the Tau attack a forge world, not realising that most of its strength is underground' so that sounds like they underestimate the AM if anything.
BrookM wrote: Or take it all in stride, wheel out their latest Mecha-ex Machina and blow everything away.
I got a feeling the very first appearance of Tau titans is going to cause a stir among the Imperium and a loss. I'm going to call Tau victory on this one, but with some caveat. Maybe a Pyrrhic victory for the Tau at worse. This is revenge for the gulf after all and we want to understand the Imperiums best tech better. Supposedly it ties into the events that happened in the two books. But this might be hearsay.
The Sylvaneth art at the beginning of the day really had me hoping that they would pull back the curtain on the main studio's work a bit, but it seems not to be the case. I wonder why the two pillars of Gw still have such different strategies when the forgeworld open days are cleary very popular. If anyone is going today I would love for them to tactfully ask that question.
Chikout wrote: The Sylvaneth art at the beginning of the day really had me hoping that they would pull back the curtain on the main studio's work a bit, but it seems not to be the case. I wonder why the two pillars of Gw still have such different strategies when the forgeworld open days are cleary very popular. If anyone is going today I would love for them to tactfully ask that question.
Hey, they totally showed artwork of modela not yet released, what else could we want
I'll support Chikout's proposal and offer virtual cake for anybody who asks this.
The outcome really doesn't matter. Literally nothing changes no matter who wins or loses.
Oh noooo, Tau lost in IA14...but I still get the awesome new barracuda model and updated rules for all my gak, plus some badass new Tau art to look at...how terrible?
BrookM wrote: I think we can all guess what the answer will be anyway, so no use in asking.
This is the kind of attitude that gets us nowhere. This is supposedly a new era for gw. The last six months have seen some very positive improvents by Gw. Aside from price, the excessive secrecy is the biggest problem I have with Gw right now. A event like this is the perfect opportunity to generate a little more buzz about the company. Let attendees try out the new AOS rules for example. Really all they need to do is say, we've got some killer stuff for chaos coming this summer (or I heard you liked adeptus mechanicus...) and the Internet will go crazy.
The Tau do short hops through the warp or something, but it can always be retconned into something along the lines of "and the Tau were given a functional warp drive and xeno lackey to navigate for them for the low, low price of 5000 resources"
BrookM wrote: Or take it all in stride, wheel out their latest Mecha-ex Machina and blow everything away.
I got a feeling the very first appearance of Tau titans is going to cause a stir among the Imperium and a loss. I'm going to call Tau victory on this one, but with some caveat. Maybe a Pyrrhic victory for the Tau at worse. This is revenge for the gulf after all and we want to understand the Imperiums best tech better. Supposedly it ties into the events that happened in the two books. But this might be hearsay.
Nope, Tau Won Tauros and the last two books (1.5 books at the least), time to die.
Yeah, the Admech keeps a lot of scary gak in vaults beneath the Forge Worlds, since it's to rare to drag out for any old battle.
A Forge World being invaded by a bunch of Xenos hereteks? And said Forge World has the support of the Red Scorpions, who are just coming off a loss in the Tyranid/Imperium book?
Well, to be fair, the Red Scorpions walked away from Imperial Armour 4 awfully squeaky clean, with minimal losses and a nice pat on the shoulder from the Inquisition for being such massive tools, unlike their Imperial Guard "allies" they left to die, the filthy pieces of ceramite clad gak.
BrookM wrote: Well, to be fair, the Red Scorpions walked away from Imperial Armour 4 awfully squeaky clean, with minimal losses and a nice pat on the shoulder from the Inquisition for being such massive tools, unlike their Imperial Guard "allies" they left to die, the filthy pieces of ceramite clad gak.
HEY!
They may be Space Nazis, but they're MY Space Nazis
Wait a second, if the Red Scorpions are Space Nazis, this would mean that their Chapter Master is Hitler in Space...
The Red Scorpions Chapter Master (Carab Culln) is now a Leviathan Dreadnought (I.E Mecha Robot Hitler...)
WOLFENSTIEN 3D IN 40K CONFIRMED???
BrookM wrote: Well, to be fair, the Red Scorpions walked away from Imperial Armour 4 awfully squeaky clean, with minimal losses and a nice pat on the shoulder from the Inquisition for being such massive tools, unlike their Imperial Guard "allies" they left to die, the filthy pieces of ceramite clad gak.
HEY!
They may be Space Nazis, but they're MY Space Nazis
Wait a second, if the Red Scorpions are Space Nazis, this would mean that their Chapter Master is Hitler in Space...
The Red Scorpions Chapter Master (Carab Culln) is now a Leviathan Dreadnought (I.E Mecha Robot Hitler...)
WOLFENSTIEN 3D IN 40K CONFIRMED???
BrookM wrote: Well, to be fair, the Red Scorpions walked away from Imperial Armour 4 awfully squeaky clean, with minimal losses and a nice pat on the shoulder from the Inquisition for being such massive tools, unlike their Imperial Guard "allies" they left to die, the filthy pieces of ceramite clad gak.
HEY!
They may be Space Nazis, but they're MY Space Nazis
Wait a second, if the Red Scorpions are Space Nazis, this would mean that their Chapter Master is Hitler in Space...
The Red Scorpions Chapter Master (Carab Culln) is now a Leviathan Dreadnought (I.E Mecha Robot Hitler...)
WOLFENSTIEN 3D IN 40K CONFIRMED???
Well, Space Marines aren't acceptable, and I imagine the Chapter master being confined to a dreadnought and losing put together would make them ready and raring to kill some Xenos of any kind!
Why do they keep failing at cross-platform promotions? Armada is a huge hit, they should be releasing BFGyesterday.
Bloodbowl and Epic are the first two games the specialist studio are working on, that is why they were the ones they mentioned, they actually had stuff to show in relation to them also, even if one was a sketch book.
Im guessing they would have shown BFG stuff off if they had any.
Not a fan that Red Scorpion thing, I really do not like chapter specific stuff, especially when its a chapter I know nothing about !
Why do they keep failing at cross-platform promotions? Armada is a huge hit, they should be releasing BFGyesterday.
Bloodbowl and Epic are the first two games the specialist studio are working on, that is why they were the ones they mentioned, they actually had stuff to show in relation to them also, even if one was a sketch book.
Im guessing they would have shown BFG stuff off if they had any.
Not a fan that Red Scorpion thing, I really do not like chapter specific stuff, especially when its a chapter I know nothing about !
Red Scorpions date back to the Rogue Trader days afaik.
Red Scorpions date back to the Rogue Trader days afaik.
There might have been pictures and a slight mention but thats all, maybe my memory is not as good as I thought !
I guess im just jealous, I would love one of my chapters to actually get something chapter specific.
Red Scorpions date back to the Rogue Trader days afaik.
There might have been pictures and a slight mention but thats all, maybe my memory is not as good as I thought !
I guess im just jealous, I would love one of my chapters to actually get something chapter specific.
well, Anyone would be Jealous if someone else's Chapter Master got turned into a LEVIATHAN SIEGE DREADNOUGHT
My guesses for Stats and Rules
Lord Of War (375 points)
WS6 BS5 S7(10) 14 13 12 I5 A3 HP4 (maybe 5 if FW are nice)
Special Rules
Proud To Live, Proud To Die, Hard To Kill (this rule makes a return but gives him the Venerable and IWND rules)
Lord High Commander (all Red Scorpions get LD10, if he dies all Red Scorpions get Preferred Enemy and lose the LD10)
INDEPENDENT CHARACTER
A Special Rule where he can join Dreadnought Squadrons
He wont have the rule that makes Leviathans ignore Malediction powers ect
Ignores Crew Shaken and Crew Stunned
Wargear
A Red Scorpions variant of the Leviathan Siege Claw
Twin Linked Assault Cannon
Twin Linked Heavy Flamer
3x Hunter Killer Missiles/Phosphex Discharger
Reinforced Automantic Shielding (4+ Invun but add D3 to Strength and Range of an Explodes! result)
Armoured Ceramite
Crazyterran wrote: Nope, Tau Won Tauros and the last two books (1.5 books at the least), time to die.
And some of those campaign books had Tau commanders going toe-to-toe with Marine Captains (later Chapter Masters) in HTH combat. Hell, in one of the books the only Imperial attack that had any effect was mass Assassin spam, and even that completely failed except for the Culexus who killed the Space Pope.
Because GW see their licensed products as something that gives them good numbers for little effort. Never mind that they could increase their return with just a little effort (imagine the cross promotion they could do - but won't! - for Dawn of War III).
Why do they keep failing at cross-platform promotions? Armada is a huge hit, they should be releasing BFGyesterday.
Bloodbowl and Epic are the first two games the specialist studio are working on, that is why they were the ones they mentioned, they actually had stuff to show in relation to them also, even if one was a sketch book.
Im guessing they would have shown BFG stuff off if they had any.
Not a fan that Red Scorpion thing, I really do not like chapter specific stuff, especially when its a chapter I know nothing about !
NoggintheNog wrote: So, that mini warlord model that was around when they first introduced the 28mm version was probably the AT version after all?
I'm more interested in AT than absolutely anything else GW may produce in the next 5 years to be honest, the smaller scale suits the setting much, much more than 28mm ever will.
I know, right!? I'm extremely interested in this, that mini Warlord was just the perfect size, imo.
I just hope they make a mid-size titan that isn't a Reaver... always disliked the look of that one!
Just because that's the plot of the Taros Campaign, the Anphelion Project, the Orphean War and Raid On Kastorel Novem doesn't mean it's going to happen again.
And it's not important that the Imperium looks good in these campaign books. It's that Forge World's golden boys do.
Sorry if this was covered, did we get a timeline on the Adeptus Titanicus release? And is there a good consolidated summary somewhere, or are most of you just combing through this thread?
Painters will always paint so its good to see them tackling GW minis on a competitive level.
Some superb stuff there! It'd be awesome if GW do a professionally shot showcase of the winners in each category like they used to so we can really get a good look!
Crazyterran wrote: Nope, Tau Won Tauros and the last two books (1.5 books at the least), time to die.
And some of those campaign books had Tau commanders going toe-to-toe with Marine Captains (later Chapter Masters) in HTH combat. Hell, in one of the books the only Imperial attack that had any effect was mass Assassin spam, and even that completely failed except for the Culexus who killed the Space Pope.
Because GW see their licensed products as something that gives them good numbers for little effort. Never mind that they could increase their return with just a little effort (imagine the cross promotion they could do - but won't! - for Dawn of War III).
I went to the second FW seminar today, Alan B. said that the Tau think the Forgeworld is old and hardly defended, but the Mechanicum are mostly underground as they have been their so long and they give the Tau far more trouble than they were expecting. Reading between the lines, the 30k mech units are broken out (Alan said the mechanicum would only break them out in desperation and that the 30k units are in the book). Alan then said that the entire remainder of legio gryphonicus and Red Scorps are stopping enroute to Gryphonne IV to retake it, surprising the Tau with overwhelming force. I would be surprised if the Tau win this one...
Painters will always paint so its good to see them tackling GW minis on a competitive level.
Some superb stuff there! It'd be awesome if GW do a professionally shot showcase of the winners in each category like they used to so we can really get a good look!
Since they literally just put up golden-demon.com I think we can expect pro photos of all golden demons henceforth!
Crazyterran wrote: Nope, Tau Won Tauros and the last two books (1.5 books at the least), time to die.
And some of those campaign books had Tau commanders going toe-to-toe with Marine Captains (later Chapter Masters) in HTH combat. Hell, in one of the books the only Imperial attack that had any effect was mass Assassin spam, and even that completely failed except for the Culexus who killed the Space Pope.
Because GW see their licensed products as something that gives them good numbers for little effort. Never mind that they could increase their return with just a little effort (imagine the cross promotion they could do - but won't! - for Dawn of War III).
I went to the second FW seminar today, Alan B. said that the Tau think the Forgeworld is old and hardly defended, but the Mechanicum are mostly underground as they have been their so long and they give the Tau far more trouble than they were expecting. Reading between the lines, the 30k mech units are broken out (Alan said the mechanicum would only break them out in desperation and that the 30k units are in the book). Alan then said that the entire remainder of legio gryphonicus and Red Scorps are stopping enroute to Gryphonne IV to retake it, surprising the Tau with overwhelming force. I would be surprised if the Tau win this one...
Sounds like a rehash of Doom of Mymeara, only swapping Eldar for Tau. I hope it's better written this time.
There is a picture of the slayer sword winner on the AOS Facebook page (by the redicolously talented David Soper) . They will put all the winners on the golden demon site tomorrow.
"Other forces are also possible, this includes Xenos"
Clear thesand from your special place.
Epic takes place during the Horus Heresy(10,000 years before Warhammer 40,000), so you won't be seeing a lot of the current Xenos races like Tau and Tyranids since they were not around at that point in the timeline.
"Other forces are also possible, this includes Xenos"
Clear thesand from your special place.
Epic takes place during the Horus Heresy(10,000 years before Warhammer 40,000), so you won't be seeing a lot of the current Xenos races like Tau and Tyranids since they were not around at that point in the timeline.
Is it confirmed that the new Epic will take place in that time? They don't need to redo exactly the same as previously.
Adeptus Titanicus will be taking place during the Heresy. However, FW are hinting that they could release expansions that would take place in 40k (allowing them to introduce xenos such as the Orks).
Malika2 wrote: Adeptus Titanicus will be taking place during the Heresy. However, FW are hinting that they could release expansions that would take place in 40k (allowing them to introduce xenos such as the Orks).
If they added 40k expansions, wouldn't they have to restrict a lot of the Heresy units since quite a lot of it wild he considered relics? Or would it be some weird 30k/40k mashup? I assumed it would be restricted to Xenos races present during the heresy- Eldar and Orks.
"Other forces are also possible, this includes Xenos"
Clear thesand from your special place.
Epic takes place during the Horus Heresy(10,000 years before Warhammer 40,000), so you won't be seeing a lot of the current Xenos races like Tau and Tyranids since they were not around at that point in the timeline.
Yes, but the various Armageddon wars did not take place in the Heresy era, so I took them mentioning that as one of many possible xenos expansions to mean they weren't going to limit AT to 30k forever and ever. Given that the first Titan only release is likely to be next year, it's a little early to be saying you'll never get your space bugs in small scale.
Titans in 40k are relics anyway (despite some of them having been built way after the Heresy, but that's just that bit of double-think you'd need to employ when delving into 40k). Titanicus is Titan vs Titan warfare, not that difficult to transplant it into 40k...
Red Scorpions date back to the Rogue Trader days afaik.
There might have been pictures and a slight mention but thats all, maybe my memory is not as good as I thought !
I guess im just jealous, I would love one of my chapters to actually get something chapter specific.
Pretty much. Pictures of two color schemes and brief mention of their involvement during the Badab War, until they were recalled to other duties and replaced by another chapter.
godardc wrote: Gryphonne IV ? Isn't this world destroyed / consummed by the tyranids ? How a Legion "retake" such a world ?
Or am I wrong ?
It was destroyed by Tyrannids during the 40K timeline - but the forces from Gryphonne IV played a huge part in the Heresy. Its destruction being more recent in the overall timeline (997.M41)
"Other forces are also possible, this includes Xenos"
Clear thesand from your special place.
Epic takes place during the Horus Heresy(10,000 years before Warhammer 40,000), so you won't be seeing a lot of the current Xenos races like Tau and Tyranids since they were not around at that point in the timeline.
Yes, but the various Armageddon wars did not take place in the Heresy era, so I took them mentioning that as one of many possible xenos expansions to mean they weren't going to limit AT to 30k forever and ever. Given that the first Titan only release is likely to be next year, it's a little early to be saying you'll never get your space bugs in small scale.
Yeah, they specifically mentioned doing a "war for Armageddon" supplement and other than maintenance/supply issues for certain weapon systems, every design of Titan the Imperium uses was already ancient before even the Reunification Wars on Terra. So the only units you'd have to restrict would be some weapon combos and maybe some infantry, unless the hypothetical Armageddon supplement was the one that introduced infantry in the first place, of course.
Looky Likey wrote: I went to the second FW seminar today, Alan B. said that the Tau think the Forgeworld is old and hardly defended, but the Mechanicum are mostly underground as they have been their so long and they give the Tau far more trouble than they were expecting. Reading between the lines, the 30k mech units are broken out (Alan said the mechanicum would only break them out in desperation and that the 30k units are in the book). Alan then said that the entire remainder of legio gryphonicus and Red Scorps are stopping enroute to Gryphonne IV to retake it, surprising the Tau with overwhelming force. I would be surprised if the Tau win this one...
I can see the ending now. After giving the Tau a damn good thrashing, the Inquisition and wider Adeptus Mechanicus call in exterminatus on the Forgeworld for the use of proscribed weaponry. Red Scorpions get off scott free...
May or may not have been posted already but Gav Thrope has posted on FB saying that Adeptus Titanicus will be using an updated version of the original rules, so any expanded units would almost certainly be in the Space Marine/Titan Legions vein. Apparently 2 Titans as side is an 'army'.
It would seem that Epic:Armageddon won't be coming back at all now.
Silent Puffin? wrote: May or may not have been posted already but Gav Thrope has posted on FB saying that Adeptus Titanicus will be using an updated version of the original rules, so any expanded units would almost certainly be in the Space Marine/Titan Legions vein. Apparently 2 Titans as side is an 'army'.
It would seem that Epic:Armageddon won't be coming back at all now.
I don't understand the distinction, as I was never an Epic player... Could you explain?
Reeeealy nice paintjobs, ... but is it just me or does a lot of them "feel" very airbrushed ? not that they do not look great, but..something sets me off..kinda.
Silent Puffin? wrote: May or may not have been posted already but Gav Thrope has posted on FB saying that Adeptus Titanicus will be using an updated version of the original rules, so any expanded units would almost certainly be in the Space Marine/Titan Legions vein. Apparently 2 Titans as side is an 'army'.
It would seem that Epic:Armageddon won't be coming back at all now.
I don't understand the distinction, as I was never an Epic player... Could you explain?
The original game was Adeptus Titanicus and was more like Battletech, mech on mech action.
Over time it was expanded to include knights, superheavy tanks, normal tanks and infantry and became Epic Space Marine. Epic Space Marine had much different rules centered on mass combat with Titans just being part of the equation, it also folded in Marines, Guard, Eldar, Orks, Squats, Chaos and later Tyranids as factions. It had 2 or 3 editions (Space Marine 1st edition, Space Marine 2nd Edition, Titan Legions) before being canned and relaunched as Epic around 1998 with a much different rules set. Epic didn't last long and was replaced by yet another game by Fantatic/Specialist Games called Epic Armageddon around 2002 I think? IIRC Jarvis once called it the best rules GW ever published. But it never got big and disappeared.
So from 1991 on we have 4 major rule sets:
Adeptus Titanics
Space Marine/Titan Legions
Epic
Epic Armageddon
I don't understand the distinction, as I was never an Epic player... Could you explain?
Epic has had 3 distinct rulesets. Titan Legions/Space Marine (which grew out of Adeptus Titanicus), Epic 40K and Epic Armageddon.
Space Marine was sort of like 40k in that there was quite a lot of influence placed on individual models and it could be quite a complex game. Epic 40k was all about formations but the rules were clunky (it used essentially the BFG firepower table for shooting attacks for instance). Epic:A is a streamlined (but in a good way) formation based game with lots of unit synergies.
Epic 40K wasn't well liked by the community and is pretty much dead today although both of the other version have active communities. I personally prefer Epic:Armageddon, I had a game yesterday, so it looks like I will be losing out on this (maybe). I liked the Space Marine rules though so its not all bad.
Silent Puffin? wrote: May or may not have been posted already but Gav Thrope has posted on FB saying that Adeptus Titanicus will be using an updated version of the original rules, so any expanded units would almost certainly be in the Space Marine/Titan Legions vein. Apparently 2 Titans as side is an 'army'.
It would seem that Epic:Armageddon won't be coming back at all now.
I don't understand the distinction, as I was never an Epic player... Could you explain?
It means excellent news. The original Adeptus Titanicus was very tactical, though rules heavy in some respects. The heavier the Titan, the less manoeuvrable. The warlords had heavy firepower but could only turn a limited amount of times and move so far. But, you had to watch and guard your flanks otherwise you'd have a warhound out manoeuvre you, blast apart your shields only for the enemy warlord to move out and unload, blowing off your weapons, crippling your legs or causing a reactor breach.
Games were a proper slugfest in an enjoyable sense in that your Titans could take and give a massive amount of punishment. I had a warlord in one game just refuse to die. It'd taken a pummelling, but still staggered forward afterwards! Plus, overloading voids, merging voids to defend damaged Titans and the campaign rules were pretty good too.
notprop wrote: My concen at seperate rule book and 6" FW titans is that it will be like Aeronautica Imperialis; sound rule set but it's £80-200 a model.
AI wasn't anywhere near that bad. Maybe $20 each for the fighters, IIRC? Tanks at about 2/3 of that? It was actually a pretty affordable game, if GW had bothered to tell anyone that it existed.
Nactor wrote: Reeeealy nice paintjobs, ... but is it just me or does a lot of them "feel" very airbrushed ? not that they do not look great, but..something sets me off..kinda.
There is a lot of very smooth, exaggerated shading on a lot of those entries, it's definitely something that seems to be 'in' at the moment (that's one of the reasons I love looking through GD and other top level painting comps you can watch as the trends evolve, pick out the throwbacks to older styles, and take guesses at what might be a big part next time round). On the same note, diorama basing with variable height and one fluid model vs one rather static one seems to crop up a lot, and while the ones that are there are top notch, the gritty, weathered approach isn't as common as it was a few years ago.
Nactor wrote: Reeeealy nice paintjobs, ... but is it just me or does a lot of them "feel" very airbrushed ? not that they do not look great, but..something sets me off..kinda.
There's a lot of European style painting with bold colours and extreme blending going on, but at the GD winner level this stuff is done by hand and not aibrush.
I don't understand the distinction, as I was never an Epic player... Could you explain?
Epic has had 3 distinct rulesets. Titan Legions/Space Marine (which grew out of Adeptus Titanicus), Epic 40K and Epic Armageddon.
Space Marine was sort of like 40k in that there was quite a lot of influence placed on individual models and it could be quite a complex game. Epic 40k was all about formations but the rules were clunky (it used essentially the BFG firepower table for shooting attacks for instance). Epic:A is a streamlined (but in a good way) formation based game with lots of unit synergies.
Epic 40K wasn't well liked by the community and is pretty much dead today although both of the other version have active communities. I personally prefer Epic:Armageddon, I had a game yesterday, so it looks like I will be losing out on this (maybe). I liked the Space Marine rules though so its not all bad.
It had 4 Editions. Adeptus Titanicus/Space Marine 1st Edition, Space Marine 2nd Edition/Titan Legions, Epic 40,000 and Epic: Armageddon.
Personally, I'm hoping for 1st edition Titan damage and gameplay rules with a 4 Edition game engine. I never liked the Titan rules from Epic:A. I hope they don't use the 2nd edition rules which involved those hit location charts and the left/right and up/down dice!
I don't understand the distinction, as I was never an Epic player... Could you explain?
Epic has had 3 distinct rulesets. Titan Legions/Space Marine (which grew out of Adeptus Titanicus), Epic 40K and Epic Armageddon.
Space Marine was sort of like 40k in that there was quite a lot of influence placed on individual models and it could be quite a complex game. Epic 40k was all about formations but the rules were clunky (it used essentially the BFG firepower table for shooting attacks for instance). Epic:A is a streamlined (but in a good way) formation based game with lots of unit synergies.
Epic 40K wasn't well liked by the community and is pretty much dead today although both of the other version have active communities. I personally prefer Epic:Armageddon, I had a game yesterday, so it looks like I will be losing out on this (maybe). I liked the Space Marine rules though so its not all bad.
It had 4 Editions. Adeptus Titanicus/Space Marine 1st Edition, Space Marine 2nd Edition/Titan Legions, Epic 40,000 and Epic: Armageddon.
Personally, I'm hoping for 1st edition Titan damage and gameplay rules with a 4 Edition game engine. I never liked the Titan rules from Epic:A. I hope they don't use the 2nd edition rules which involved those hit location charts and the left/right and up/down dice!
Oh really? That sounds a lot like the Imperial Knight Renegade rules.
notprop wrote: My concen at seperate rule book and 6" FW titans is that it will be like Aeronautica Imperialis; sound rule set but it's £80-200 a model.
AI wasn't anywhere near that bad. Maybe $20 each for the fighters, IIRC? Tanks at about 2/3 of that? It was actually a pretty affordable game, if GW had bothered to tell anyone that it existed.
Nah, it was dirt cheap. Rulebook was £40 and aircraft packs were, on average, £12 each. The ground defences were even better in that you got three for £6! You spent probably £72 for a large air fleet and ground defences + £40 for rules - you could be realistically be up and playing for approximately £112. Add another £72 for a second air fleet and you're golden.
I don't understand the distinction, as I was never an Epic player... Could you explain?
Epic has had 3 distinct rulesets. Titan Legions/Space Marine (which grew out of Adeptus Titanicus), Epic 40K and Epic Armageddon.
Space Marine was sort of like 40k in that there was quite a lot of influence placed on individual models and it could be quite a complex game. Epic 40k was all about formations but the rules were clunky (it used essentially the BFG firepower table for shooting attacks for instance). Epic:A is a streamlined (but in a good way) formation based game with lots of unit synergies.
Epic 40K wasn't well liked by the community and is pretty much dead today although both of the other version have active communities. I personally prefer Epic:Armageddon, I had a game yesterday, so it looks like I will be losing out on this (maybe). I liked the Space Marine rules though so its not all bad.
It had 4 Editions. Adeptus Titanicus/Space Marine 1st Edition, Space Marine 2nd Edition/Titan Legions, Epic 40,000 and Epic: Armageddon.
Personally, I'm hoping for 1st edition Titan damage and gameplay rules with a 4 Edition game engine. I never liked the Titan rules from Epic:A. I hope they don't use the 2nd edition rules which involved those hit location charts and the left/right and up/down dice!
Oh really? That sounds a lot like the Imperial Knight Renegade rules.
Funnily enough, when I first saw the Godbreaker Clash rules I thought something like "hey this is just like Adeptus Titanicus!"
P.S. All these other guys have missed an edition: between Epic 40k and Epic: Armageddon there was another version of the AT rules that only appeared in Epic Firepower magazine. It never got compiled and published separately but it was pretty good.
Expect 40k to have a shake up later in the year!
"It won't be as drastic as Warhammer, but it will be quite a change."
More stream lined and easier to pick...
I was talking to Ally Morrison and Adam Dunn (They were near the entrance) I know Adam from a while back and during our chat 40k came up...
Well about how cumbersome it's become.
Any way.
He said the quote above....
Thanks for the answers about Adeptus Titanicus as distinct from Epic guys, really appreciate it! I'm all about the Titans personally, so it sounds great
Adeptus Titanicus was the probably my favourite game, I really liked how the rules worked, I was young and they seemed complicated but that was half the fun of it.
I hope that we will get as many Titans as we did in the original too.
My favourite rules of the lot were probably Space Marine, when they started adding troops and vehicles to Adeptus Titanicus, some of it seemed pretty detailed and I really liked that.
Like many other people I never really got on so much with the later versions.
The foam buidings as well, they never made any as good since in my opinion, although it was my first GW game so maybe im a tad bias.
I was also told that Xenos would probably make it in too eventually, if the main game really takes off, which I think it may well do at this rate, it always generates a lot of interest anyway.
The only real downside for me is no Squats !!
Kid_Kyoto wrote: So from 1991 on we have 4 major rule sets:
Adeptus Titanics
Space Marine/Titan Legions
Epic
Epic Armageddon
And now a 5th on the way.
Not quite,
First Edition:
Adeptus Titanicus - 1988
Space Marine "Epic Battles in the Age of Heresy" - Infantry rules for Adeptus Titanicus - 1989 - also when the Horus Heresy was invented because GW could only afford to tool one sprue of plastic infantry, which was Space Marines, so needed a reason to have Space Marines fighting each other. Also the cover artist highlighted Dark Angels' black armor with a shade of green, forever establishing Dark Angels as wearing dark green armor.
Codex Titanicus - errata and new rules
Second Edition:
Epic Space Marine 2nd Edition - 1991 - rewritten and cleaned up revised version of the rules.
Titan Legions - 1994 - (edition 2.5 basically) slight modifications, rules tweaks
expansions: Armies of the Imperium, Renegades, Ork & Squat Warlords, and Hive Fleet; Space Marine Battles book 1993 (best of white dwarf collection)
Third Edition:
Epic 40,000 - 1997 - totally new rules set
Adeptus Titanicus II - 2000 - expanded Titan rules for Epic 40,000
Fourth Edition:
Epic Armageddon - 2003 - revised Epic 40k rules
Epic Swordwind expansion - new rules for Epic Armageddon
Kid_Kyoto wrote: So from 1991 on we have 4 major rule sets:
Adeptus Titanics
Space Marine/Titan Legions
Epic
Epic Armageddon
And now a 5th on the way.
Not quite,
First Edition:
Adeptus Titanicus - 1988
Space Marine "Epic Battles in the Age of Heresy" - Infantry rules for Adeptus Titanicus - 1989 - also when the Horus Heresy was invented because GW could only afford to tool one sprue of plastic infantry, which was Space Marines, so needed a reason to have Space Marines fighting each other. Also the cover artist highlighted Dark Angels' black armor with a shade of green, forever establishing Dark Angels as wearing dark green armor.
Codex Titanicus - errata and new rules
Second Edition:
Epic Space Marine 2nd Edition - 1991 - rewritten and cleaned up revised version of the rules.
Titan Legions - 1994 - (edition 2.5 basically) slight modifications, rules tweaks
expansions: Armies of the Imperium, Renegades, Ork & Squat Warlords, and Hive Fleet; Space Marine Battles book 1993 (best of white dwarf collection)
Third Edition:
Epic 40,000 - 1997 - totally new rules set
Adeptus Titanicus II - 2000 - expanded Titan rules for Epic 40,000
Fourth Edition:
Epic Armageddon - 2003 - revised Epic 40k rules
Epic Swordwind expansion - new rules for Epic Armageddon
Whenever I hear talk of Titan Legions I always think of the battle report in some old white dwarf, with an imperator facing off against orks with tanks and ground troops thrown in.
It was one of the very best battle reports they ever did.
NoggintheNog wrote: Whenever I hear talk of Titan Legions I always think of the battle report in some old white dwarf, with an imperator facing off against orks with tanks and ground troops thrown in.
It was one of the very best battle reports they ever did.
The Titan Legions box set came with an Imperator and two Mega-Gargants! Oh and a pile of Knights, too.
Gosh, I think it was Games Day 98, they were selling Imperator Titans for $5.00 apiece.
I haven't seen it mentioned but I was told by someone who was in attendance that according to Tony Cottrell, they presently have no plans to do an Imperator Titan for AT. It appears to be one reason they're looking at doing some Titans inbetween Warlord and Reaver.
I'm going to speculate that they want the Warlord to shine as the king Titan before introducing something bigger and that with the Warlord being 40k knight sized they want to sell enough of those before presenting something bigger and better; to make sure AT is successful enough to justify making something double the size of the Warlord for an otherwise niche game.
Jehan-reznor wrote: Adeptus Titanicus and Space Marine was my first foray into the 40k universe, great that they bring it back, not a fan of the scale change though.
I am. I have about 20 old titans and 50ish knights, but will gladly pay money for new, properly scaled models that use the updated and refined FW sculpts, rather than the occasionally ugly epic designs. Bare minimum, Warlord, Reaver, Warhound to paint up matching my 28mm ones. More likely a full battle group of 3 Warlords, 3 Reavers, and 4-6 Warhounds. Plus knights when they make those, say a household of 3 teams of 3 with a baron.
NoggintheNog wrote: Whenever I hear talk of Titan Legions I always think of the battle report in some old white dwarf, with an imperator facing off against orks with tanks and ground troops thrown in.
It was one of the very best battle reports they ever did.
The Titan Legions box set came with an Imperator and two Mega-Gargants! Oh and a pile of Knights, too.
Gosh, I think it was Games Day 98, they were selling Imperator Titans for $5.00 apiece.
Rayvon wrote: I hated that big static plastic lump, was the only titan I ever disliked really, I can see why they had to almost give them away.
BLASPHEMY! You shall be burned by the Emperor's Light!
Automatically Appended Next Post: All I know is if the Emperator class Titans don't make the game, I'll personally fly half across the world to knock some heads!
My inner geek cried today with tears of joy seeing this thread. Epic is back baby!
To everyone who came and had a chat with us at Warhammer Fest, we hope you enjoyed your special "sneak peek" at our new project, Warhammer 40,000: Titan Legions! Andy and I had a great time meeting you, chatting about our game, and just soaking up the great Warhammer Fest atmosphere.
If you didn't attend Warhammer Fest, or otherwise missed seeing Titan Legions, we're sorry to say you'll have to wait a bit longer (until Titan Legions is formally announced) before we can share details about the game with you. In the meantime, you'll have to make do with these photos of Andy and Mark thoroughly enjoying themselves at Warhammer Fest.
I hope it's proper PC game where you get to either be a Princeps in a Titan or you get to control an actual Titan Legion with Skitarri like in Mechanicum. That would be awesome
