Anything's better than crab claws and chicken feet.

Are they going to seperate 40k and AoS daemons? That sounds great to me as most of the daemons are my least favorite figures.

I'm looking forward to new figures for all the chaos infantry.

I'm more interested in Vulcatrix, Mother of Salamanders, and any possible relation to a certain 40k Primarch.

 Manchu wrote:

 oni wrote:
SOoo... Am I the only one that's noticed we'll be getting a new RoBG along with the AoS releases?

GW sent a new tile to LGS that ordered a certain number of box sets. It is normal ground with some cracks that show strange runes and patterns below.

Do you mean that there will be an entirely new six-tile set?

I've seen a few very distinct, new tiles in the AoS pictures, different from the one sent to retailers. I can only assuming it will be a new six tile set.

Doesn't the Sigmarite fluff say the more they reincarnate the more they lose touch?

Perhaps the new Slaanesh enters their minds and breaks free as a new god after a serious cold turkey detox.

Then we'd have Chaos Sigmarites.

 Dentry wrote:
I'm more interested in Vulcatrix, Mother of Salamanders, and any possible relation to a certain 40k Primarch.

What who?

Vulkan like every primarch has no mother, atleast biologically.

It is far more likely just a reference to the beast Salamander, not the space marine.

My Take on Slaanesh: He's not gone despite the pic with the different icon. Slaanesh's icon to me always looked like a mashed up universal symbol for male gender and female gender. In this day and age, that might not be 100% kosher anymore.

Then again, this is the company that brought you this model too and gave zero feths about it: http://www.games-workshop.com/en-NO/Goblin-Spear-Chukka

Dunno. Just a thought. I don't think he's going anywhere personally, though i have no doubt he's going to continue down the path of sanitation. I may be wrong.



.. also that Sigmarine with runed sword is fething boss.

Did the G-E splice a salamander egg with human DNA?

The old symbol is likely the least protectable - if we see Slaanesh still present with a new badge, that'll be why.

I find the thought of Slaanesh being removed from the lore to be deeply disturbing. The whole "God of Sex, drugs and boobies!" is an overblown Internet meme propagated by the dunderheads at 4Chan and isn't in any way representative of what Slaanesh is or how s/he is represented within the game.

Slaanesh is the Chaos God of Excess, not sex/sexual violence. You can do a lot with Slaanesh without ever getting into that side of things, or ever describing such things. I know - I spent quite a while working with a great team of writers on a whole book dedicated to Slaanesh - and the book wasn't full of sexual deviancy and bondage.

I don't like this at all, and we need more information ASAP.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Slaanesh is the Chaos God of Excess, not sex/sexual violence. You can do a lot with Slaanesh without ever getting into that side of things, or ever describing such things. I know - I spent quite a while working with a great team of writers on a dedicated to Slaanesh - and the book wasn't full of sexual deviancy and bondage.

You worked on that?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I don't like this at all, and we need more information ASAP.

I wouldn't be too eager, it might be a bit before we get the information.

Do we know anything about that symbol? I've heard that it might be Be'lakor or some sort of newly invented "spider god". There's also some chance that it is still Slaanesh, and they decided to change the previous symbol to something more IP-protectable.

If all this is is a symbol change due to GW's paranoid obsession with putting a (TM) after everything, then fine, I can live with that, as ultimately the symbol Slaanesh uses isn't all that important (it's certainly not as prominent in miniatures as the Khorne or Nurgle symbols).

 Shadowclaimer wrote:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJbEiZnWEAEE6ZY.jpg:large

Lady Atia posted the high quality version of the symbol.

Maybe GW was inspired by Creature Caster's "Spider Demon" and decided to incorporate that imagery?

I would have thought that new symbol looks more like Malekith's circlet of iron, or morathi's head piece.
What's Morathi been up to since disappearing in Khaine?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I find the thought of Slaanesh being removed from the lore to be deeply disturbing. The whole "God of Sex, drugs and boobies!" is an overblown Internet meme propagated by the dunderheads at 4Chan and isn't in any way representative of what Slaanesh is or how s/he is represented within the game.

Slaanesh is the Chaos God of Excess, not sex/sexual violence. You can do a lot with Slaanesh without ever getting into that side of things, or ever describing such things. I know - I spent quite a while working with a great team of writers on a whole book dedicated to Slaanesh - and the book wasn't full of sexual deviancy and bondage.

I don't like this at all, and we need more information ASAP.

Mental note get that book.

This Slaanesh goes missing thing sounds more like an advancement in the storyline than a retcon. His origin story and history wasn't retconned. The world blew up, and then something happened to him.

This whole imagery and theme smells like someone at GW really likes Diablo, and wanted Warhammer to be Angels vs Demons. A weird realm where magical monsters jump up from holes in the ground and portals in the air nonstop and then there's a couple heroes always ready to smack them down.

http://www.diablohungary.hu/uploads/images/news/2560x1600_TVS1_Imperius_vs_Diablo_wall1_by_Holyknight3000.jpg
http://orig01.deviantart.net/9d33/f/2012/141/1/8/imperius_diablo_3_by_subkulturee-d50kjox.jpg

 Therion wrote:
This whole imagery and theme smells like someone at GW really likes Diablo, and wanted Warhammer to be Angels vs Demons. A weird realm where magical monsters jump up from holes in the ground and portals in the air nonstop and then there's a couple heroes always ready to smack them down.

http://www.diablohungary.hu/uploads/images/news/2560x1600_TVS1_Imperius_vs_Diablo_wall1_by_Holyknight3000.jpg
http://orig01.deviantart.net/9d33/f/2012/141/1/8/imperius_diablo_3_by_subkulturee-d50kjox.jpg

Not disagreeing with your assessment per se, but I think the goal was definitely more to move Warhammer more away from the stuff that makes up traditional 'Fantasy' (that can't really be claimed as IP) and more into stuff that is definitively 'Warhammer' (and thus, easier to claim and protect as their IP).

If you look at all the models released during the End Times, I think you can definitely see that focus. The undead (Nagash) stuff was way more OTT and less straight-up undead. The Skaven suddenly had gatling guns and armor, and so on. Naturally the models in this new box set totally fall into line with that concept as well.

What will really be interesting to me is what they do when they get around to releasing new models for the ranges that are much more traditionally associated with generic Fantasy: Elves, Dwarves, Orcs...will we see the same kind of evolution towards something that is more protectable from an IP standpoint for these factions, and if so, what form exactly will they take?

 Shadowclaimer wrote:

 Manchu wrote:

 Shadowclaimer wrote:
Can a moderator change the title of OP?

Feel free to suggest an extremely concise alternative.

Well I wasn't expecting a moderator to be smart aleck over a simple request..

This post title is super misleading. Its basically like Slaanesh is being removed from the game entirely. A retcon implies all traces of the character are gone, histories, events, everything regarding them. This is far from a retcon, we even have leak evidence to the contrary now. All I asked is if it could be changed to avoid the annoying knee jerk reactions we're already seeing a lot of. There was no reason for an attitude, its not like i demanded it or put in a report.

This thread is already toxic without feeding into the frenzy of people thinking AOS is the end of existence for everything moreso than it already is.

What about "Slaanesh gone?"? It's ambiguous, yet not inaccurate.

 Azreal13 wrote:
The old symbol is likely the least protectable - if we see Slaanesh still present with a new badge, that'll be why.

This. Combined with their attempt to attract a new audience this provides them the perfect time to shore up their IP for future protection.

 Melcavuk wrote:
Vulkan like every primarch has no mother, atleast biologically.

It is far more likely just a reference to the beast Salamander, not the space marine.

Of course. I don't want to veer too far (or close to) off-topic, but I didn't mean that to be taken as anything literal or concrete with regards to the SM legion. The blurb even states that Vulcatrix is a beast explicitly. But my curiousity was on it alluding or having a sort of nod toward the 40k fluff at all. That would be neat.

I would strongly suspect the new fourth is The Horned Rat. The double horns remind me of the new verminlords. He did very well for himself in the End Times, I think he leveled up to the grownups table.

As to what becomes of Slaanesh... they can either use this for a great storyline in the game or sHe's been written out and I'll not be a happy chappie...


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 Dentry wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
The old symbol is likely the least protectable - if we see Slaanesh still present with a new badge, that'll be why.

This. Combined with their attempt to attract a new audience this provides them the perfect time to shore up their IP for future protection.

I think 3 circles of uncle nuggz is a lot less claimable than the slaaneshi symbol.

I'd agree. At the same time the only symbol I can think of that is similar to Nurgle's icon is the biohazard one. Someone unfamiliar with Warhammer probably wouldn't see it as being very iconic at all.

I remember the time a Skaven player wondered what sort of Horned Rat model my Keeper of Secrets was supposed to be.

But it's weird going to the GW site, going to the Race tab, clicking on Daemon, and seeing Lizardmen and four gods daemons, and to show when I stopped paying attention, male Hellstriders of Slaanesh.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
I would strongly suspect the new fourth is The Horned Rat. The double horns remind me of the new verminlords. He did very well for himself in the End Times, I think he leveled up to the grownups table.

As to what becomes of Slaanesh... they can either use this for a great storyline in the game or sHe's been written out and I'll not be a happy chappie...


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 Dentry wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
The old symbol is likely the least protectable - if we see Slaanesh still present with a new badge, that'll be why.

This. Combined with their attempt to attract a new audience this provides them the perfect time to shore up their IP for future protection.

I think 3 circles of uncle nuggz is a lot less claimable than the slaaneshi symbol.

I don't know, three circles, set in a triangle and arranged in an oppositely orientated triangle is easy to describe, not, to my knowledge in any sort of wide commercial use and fairly unambiguous. Plus, I'm not sure it really resembles anything it could be accused of plagiarising?

 Dentry wrote:
I'd agree. At the same time the only symbol I can think of that is similar to Nurgle's icon is the biohazard one. Someone unfamiliar with Warhammer probably wouldn't see it as being very iconic at all.

Ah yes, apart from that one.

But still I think it can be taken as different enough to be protectable.

So I've gone through someof my more ancient lead miniatures from the 70s and 80s and I've started soaking many of them in Pine-Sol to remove the paint (after a week, I scrub with an old Oral-B sonic toothbrush).

The local GW store manager never let me use those ancient minis, even though some are Citadel minis, in any Fantasy game, so they've sat unused for decades.

Now, looking over these things, I'll be able to do at least three different HUGE KoW armies, all as individual diorama based units, for no cost other than the time to remodel, repaint, and rebase. This is in addition to my GW based WHFB armies.

There's a FLGS not far from me that says I can definitely do some KoW on their tables, too!

THANKS GAMES WORKSHOP!

 Xyxox wrote:
So I've gone through someof my more ancient lead miniatures from the 70s and 80s and I've started soaking many of them in Pine-Sol to remove the paint (after a week, I scrub with an old Oral-B sonic toothbrush).

The local GW store manager never let me use those ancient minis, even though some are Citadel minis, in any Fantasy game, so they've sat unused for decades.

Now, looking over these things, I'll be able to do at least three different HUGE KoW armies, all as individual diorama based units, for no cost other than the time to remodel, repaint, and rebase. This is in addition to my GW based WHFB armies.

There's a FLGS not far from me that says I can definitely do some KoW on their tables, too!

THANKS GAMES WORKSHOP!

Great, so you'll be posting in the KoW forum now, yes?

 Xyxox wrote:
So I've gone through someof my more ancient lead miniatures from the 70s and 80s and I've started soaking many of them in Pine-Sol to remove the paint (after a week, I scrub with an old Oral-B sonic toothbrush).

The local GW store manager never let me use those ancient minis, even though some are Citadel minis, in any Fantasy game, so they've sat unused for decades.

Now, looking over these things, I'll be able to do at least three different HUGE KoW armies, all as individual diorama based units, for no cost other than the time to remodel, repaint, and rebase. This is in addition to my GW based WHFB armies.

There's a FLGS not far from me that says I can definitely do some KoW on their tables, too!

THANKS GAMES WORKSHOP!

That's cool. I had lunch with Joe Neet today and we made plans for a large KOW tournament right around the time the 2nd edition books comes out. I've got two store armies I have to get cracking on.

 Samurai_Eduh wrote:


Great, so you'll be posting in the KoW forum now, yes?

Pretty much.

 Samurai_Eduh wrote:

 Xyxox wrote:
So I've gone through someof my more ancient lead miniatures from the 70s and 80s and I've started soaking many of them in Pine-Sol to remove the paint (after a week, I scrub with an old Oral-B sonic toothbrush).

The local GW store manager never let me use those ancient minis, even though some are Citadel minis, in any Fantasy game, so they've sat unused for decades.

Now, looking over these things, I'll be able to do at least three different HUGE KoW armies, all as individual diorama based units, for no cost other than the time to remodel, repaint, and rebase. This is in addition to my GW based WHFB armies.

There's a FLGS not far from me that says I can definitely do some KoW on their tables, too!

THANKS GAMES WORKSHOP!

Great, so you'll be posting in the KoW forum now, yes?

Probably not. I'd say every other post of his is related to KoW in this thread so I don't see him actually going to that forum (and staying) anytime soon...

 mikhaila wrote:

 Xyxox wrote:
So I've gone through someof my more ancient lead miniatures from the 70s and 80s and I've started soaking many of them in Pine-Sol to remove the paint (after a week, I scrub with an old Oral-B sonic toothbrush).

The local GW store manager never let me use those ancient minis, even though some are Citadel minis, in any Fantasy game, so they've sat unused for decades.

Now, looking over these things, I'll be able to do at least three different HUGE KoW armies, all as individual diorama based units, for no cost other than the time to remodel, repaint, and rebase. This is in addition to my GW based WHFB armies.

There's a FLGS not far from me that says I can definitely do some KoW on their tables, too!

THANKS GAMES WORKSHOP!

That's cool. I had lunch with Joe Neet today and we made plans for a large KOW tournament right around the time the 2nd edition books comes out. I've got two store armies I have to get cracking on.

Yeah, the paint jobs on these armies just aren't up to snuff with thematerials we have available today. Some of the paint is testors (and may take longer than a week of soak).

For those on this board who might look on eBay for GW minis, you can buy up metal minis with horrible paint jobs for a pittance and using Pine-Sol as the solvent to remove the pint, you can end up with a lot of metal minis for cheaper than new plastic.

 streamdragon wrote:

I wouldn't either, but I suspect it's a simpler answer: they didn't want to continue with the lolpenis sigil they had been using.

I never viewed Slaanesh's sigil to be a phallus. Nurgle on the other hand started with more than the triple circle/fly symbol that they use now. I can't find any easy pics online, but if you think Slannesh has a lolpenis, check out these:

Spoilered for size only - Safe for work.


So... 9 of 11 models shown there have a pretty obvious penis sigil of Nurgle on them. Even back in the say of StD I wondered how they got away with it. Eventually moving entirely to this:

You're seeing a lot of penises. Freud would be intrigued, but he might also say that sometimes a Nurgling is just a Nurgling.

I always thought of the nurgle emblem as kinda playing off of the biohazard symbol

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I find the thought of Slaanesh being removed from the lore to be deeply disturbing. The whole "God of Sex, drugs and boobies!" is an overblown Internet meme propagated by the dunderheads at 4Chan and isn't in any way representative of what Slaanesh is or how s/he is represented within the game.

Slaanesh is the Chaos God of Excess, not sex/sexual violence. You can do a lot with Slaanesh without ever getting into that side of things, or ever describing such things. I know - I spent quite a while working with a great team of writers on a whole book dedicated to Slaanesh - and the book wasn't full of sexual deviancy and bondage.

I don't like this at all, and we need more information ASAP.

While you make an excellent point HBMC (you certainly have a lot of authority on the topic) I feel GW did play into that misconception a bit.

GW now believes that sticking boobies onto lizards and the like is sufficient to qualify for boundless excess.

I've loved the recent depictions of Slaanesh related stuff in the Horus Heresy line because it avoids the drugs/leather/boobs GW is bound to and instead opts for a more subtle but still excessive depiction of Slaanesh worshippers.

Wait, how did this discussion turn to penises? This is a News & Rumors thread for Age of Si.....Oh nevermind, Slaanesh.

Here's what Realms of Chaos:Lost and the Damned has to say about the Slaanesh symbol

Realms of Chaos wrote:The symbol of Slaanesh combines the conventional symbols for male and female

Nothing phallic about it.

 Azazelx wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:

I wouldn't either, but I suspect it's a simpler answer: they didn't want to continue with the lolpenis sigil they had been using.

I never viewed Slaanesh's sigil to be a phallus. Nurgle on the other hand started with more than the triple circle/fly symbol that they use now. I can't find any easy pics online, but if you think Slannesh has a lolpenis, check out these:

Spoilered for size only - Safe for work.

Spoiler:

Look closely:
Head Ornament on "Halberd"
Forehead on "Bell Staff and Sword"
Sword on: "Sword 1"
Gutplate on: "Halberd", "Mace", "Sword 3"
Shoulder sigil on: "Axe and Biting Tongue", "Tech Weapon", "Sword 2"
Axe head on "Axe"

So... 9 of 11 models shown there have a pretty obvious penis sigil of Nurgle on them. Even back in the say of StD I wondered how they got away with it. Eventually moving entirely to this:

The earliest John Blanche art of the Chaos Gods (the original concept art I think) has Father Nurgle sitting beneath a massive phallus shaped symbol surrounded by mysterious goop...

I much prefer the new symbol.

 Haight wrote:
My Take on Slaanesh: He's not gone despite the pic with the different icon. Slaanesh's icon to me always looked like a mashed up universal symbol for male gender and female gender. In this day and age, that might not be 100% kosher anymore.

Then again, this is the company that brought you this model too and gave zero feths about it: http://www.games-workshop.com/en-NO/Goblin-Spear-Chukka

Dunno. Just a thought. I don't think he's going anywhere personally, though i have no doubt he's going to continue down the path of sanitation. I may be wrong.



.. also that Sigmarine with runed sword is fething boss.

what's offensive a about that model - the name?

number9dream wrote:

 Haight wrote:
My Take on Slaanesh: He's not gone despite the pic with the different icon. Slaanesh's icon to me always looked like a mashed up universal symbol for male gender and female gender. In this day and age, that might not be 100% kosher anymore.

Then again, this is the company that brought you this model too and gave zero feths about it: http://www.games-workshop.com/en-NO/Goblin-Spear-Chukka

Dunno. Just a thought. I don't think he's going anywhere personally, though i have no doubt he's going to continue down the path of sanitation. I may be wrong.



.. also that Sigmarine with runed sword is fething boss.

what's offensive a about that model - the name?

The goblin with the spear appears to be giving the hitler salute judging by the angle.

Or...keeping his balance. Half naked abhuman holding a huge arrow and doing the hitler salute seems like an unlikely reference.

Liking all the releases so far, looking forward to giving the game a try. I only play with friends and gameplay is secondary to hanging out so I feel like I'm the ideal secondary market.
Would have liked a Mordheim style release but I guess that's unlikely.

 Delicate Swarm wrote:
Wait, how did this discussion turn to penises? This is a News & Rumors thread for Age of Si.....Oh nevermind, Slaanesh.

Here's what Realms of Chaos:Lost and the Damned has to say about the Slaanesh symbol

Realms of Chaos wrote:The symbol of Slaanesh combines the conventional symbols for male and female

Nothing phallic about it.

To be fair, the symbols for male and female are essentially pictographs of a penis and a vagina, so...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
You're seeing a lot of penises. Freud would be intrigued, but he might also say that sometimes a Nurgling is just a Nurgling.

oh, I am. That's because they're there. Remember, Denial is not a river in Egypt. Though where this particular Nurgling has his hands might explain why Papa Nurgle is always giggling...



Nothing at all suggestive there. Amirite?

As much as i hate what i,ve seen and heard so far, I must admit that I'm very curious to see what will be the "final result"

 Bronzefists42 wrote:

The goblin with the spear appears to be giving the hitler salute judging by the angle.

Wrong hand. And I think you'll find that he lines up to one of the Levers on the War Machine. Just go with Original 2e Bob Olley-sculpted Stormboyz if you want to go the Nazi angle. Which reminds me... where's Kroothawk?

 streetsamurai wrote:
As much as i hate what i,ve seen and heard so far, I must admit that I'm very curious to see what will be the "final result"

I know. I just cannot look away because I know with each new revelation, more of the current customer base will be alienated because the current customer base is not the target demographic.

It's like a slow motion clown car crash. You know some hilarious stuff is on the way but if you look away, you might miss the fun.

 oni wrote:

 Manchu wrote:

 oni wrote:
SOoo... Am I the only one that's noticed we'll be getting a new RoBG along with the AoS releases?

GW sent a new tile to LGS that ordered a certain number of box sets. It is normal ground with some cracks that show strange runes and patterns below.

Do you mean that there will be an entirely new six-tile set?

I've seen a few very distinct, new tiles in the AoS pictures, different from the one sent to retailers. I can only assuming it will be a new six tile set.

If you look closely at the deployment diagrams in the AoS rules (The Battle Begins section), there appears to be six different tiles pictured.

 Azazelx wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
You're seeing a lot of penises. Freud would be intrigued, but he might also say that sometimes a Nurgling is just a Nurgling.

oh, I am. That's because they're there. Remember, Denial is not a river in Egypt. Though where this particular Nurgling has his hands might explain why Papa Nurgle is always giggling...

Spoiler:

Nothing at all suggestive there. Amirite?

That's a traditional Mesopotamian plague rocket, you're just being weird.

It's still less phallic then that one Stormboy jump pack illustration from....'ere we go...I think? Pretty sure it was reprinted in 2nd edition core books but maybe not.

I always thought the Slaanesh symbol was an intersection of a stylized phallus and a stylized rear end. I could see it as a stylized phallus and testes going the other direction. The gender symbol mixture makes sense, too, although it was not as quick to spring to mind.

Yeah but he's not. He's reaching his hand out to smack the mechanism that will, "chuck" the spear. *ahem*

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah but he's not. He's reaching his hand out to smack the mechanism that will, "chuck" the spear. *ahem*

Wow. I just realized what you meant. I haven't heard that term used as a slur in at least 20 years.

Neither have I, and really I don't think most people will look at it like that. 'Spear Chukka' fits in with other Orcy things, like 'Rock Lobba'. It's "object" and "crude method of flinging it".

The 40K artillery does that - Bubble Chukka, for example.

Now I have the song Rock Lobster stuck in my head... Rock Lobsta.

So... If their goal is to protect their IP then they sure are bad at by turning the God of the dark eldar/elves into a spider.. I believe DnD already does that.

Totally absurd to change Slaanesh, as HMBC said the whole thing with slaanesh is excess.. Its just a lot of players focus on what they like most (nudity and sex) when in reality it has very little to do with sex... just the lack of inhibitions. The poster boys for slaanesh (Emperor's children) don't even have sex..

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
"chuck" the spear.

What? Is that a euphemism or something?

That new logo commits the worst possible sin: It's a nice-looking filigree, but beyond that and a passing resemblance to a spider, it's meaningless.

Look at the front cover to the End Times Khaine again and then tell me it doesn't resemble anything.

[EDIT]: Sorry, I actually mean this picture:

Title/first post updated!

So do we think Tyrion has kicked Slaanesh's ass then??

Mainly 40k player here. Know a lot of Fantasy players, so I've been following the AoS developments, like an ongoing car chase right after the murder.

All I can say is.. I've been checking out AoS on all the channels, simply as







/sorry lol

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Look at the front cover to the End Times Khaine again and then tell me it doesn't resemble anything.

Spoiler:

[EDIT]: Sorry, I actually mean this picture:

Erm, do you think it looks like a penis? Everyone just seems to be talking about penis' now and I'm worried you think it looks like a penis?

Does anyone else think the word penis is being used far too much in this thread?

Penis.

 notprop wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Look at the front cover to the End Times Khaine again and then tell me it doesn't resemble anything.

Spoiler:

[EDIT]: Sorry, I actually mean this picture:

Erm, do you think it looks like a penis? Everyone just seems to be talking about penis' now and I'm worried you think it looks like a penis?

Does anyone else think the word penis is being used far too much in this thread?

Penis.

I am going to go out on a limb and guess that he meant the horns of Khaine's helm remind some folks of the new 'symbol' that has apparently replaced Slaanesh's in the pic we've seen floating around today?

Just a guess, though.

When did Warhammer become all about penis' old chap?

I can remember a time when Warhammer wasn't about penis' and now it's all shafted.

Now it's all every John Thomas can talk about is penis'.

Or people could not care about anatomical appendages that half the population shares.. If LIttle Mermaid can have one on their cover then why do we care so much about Warhammer? Our culture is entirely too sexually repressed.

So in addition to dumbing down gameplay, killing detailed list building, warcraftising the aesthetics, spacemarinising the models and mocking the playerbase, there is a chance that GW might be trying to make it politicaly correct? [points at imaginary Age of Shallow rulebook and laughs the laughter of ridicule mockery scoff and scorn] If that turns out true then I'll start to wonder whether a single thing there was born of a creative spark or rather business decisions all the time.

Btw I told a boardgame crowd yesterday about Arse of Sigmar over a game of ffg starcraft, 4 guys total. I was completly neutral, even started with "you might be interested that...", they voiced their interest in whfb before but seemed to be dicouraged by the amount of work required to put multiple regiments on the table. I went through bullet points, quick rules, no ranked regiments, rules on warscrolls, new world more heroic than gritty etc but when I got to jokey rules (and was again neutral, even laughed when I mentioned talking to a mini because it is funny on paper imo) they all went lol, party game, pathetic, GW gone full slowed etc. Noone interest was sparked because of the new world or story, also only one guy apart from me likes to play cutthroat, the rest are fairly relaxed bunch.

Even my friend whose only gaming is console knows warhammer fantasy and remembers it fondly. You can mention warhammer in a pub and there is a chance that a random chick will know what you're talking about. But no let's change it into loosely related age of sigmar because IP, pg7 and people who cant distinguish between a wargame and a novel asked for the story to go forward because it is so important that the company tells them that this guy did that and is now there doing that instead of what he was doing before.

 Kirasu wrote:
Or people could not care about anatomical appendages that half the population shares.. If LIttle Mermaid can have one on their cover then why do we care so much about Warhammer? Our culture is entirely too sexually repressed.

Yeah, but while being anatomically necessary, the doodah is morally evil and needs repression. Literature and the arts are the best place to start, because after all, the penis mightier than the sword.

Hahahaha I can't unsee that now lol. Let's get back on topic though eh?

 Shadowclaimer wrote:

Retroactive continuity, or retcon for short,[1][2] is the alteration of previously established facts in the continuity of a fictional work.[3]

Its the direct alteration of things that already existed. Slaanesh not existing anymore in the new timeline isn't retroactive, its current changes to the story and current continuity. If they decided to re-attribute something Slaanesh did to someone else than that would be a retcon.

Missing is probably a bad term too, but its directly what we have given the exact leak from WD "The Dark Prince is missing" and a picture of his icon being gone.

I mean I don't care that much, its probably nothing to sit here and argue about. I just don't want to see this thread devolve into more AOS circlejerk bashing on tiny threads of information like it has been for 300 pages and I was afraid people would assume the worst with "retcon".

I think in general I just need to unsubscribe from this thread, its caused me nothing but stress and has led to me jumping at people I probably shouldn't a few too many times now.

Or maybe this "game" deserves every "cirklejerk" bashing it gets. Not to mention that some tiny bits of information turned out being nothing compared to what happened.

Looks more like a Dark Elf crown than a spider to me. On the other hand, I'm seeing penises everywhere now so ymmv

I've always found it strange that people are fine with things like Khorne who's aim is to kill and maim anything and everything, but the minute boobs are shown on a model everyone freaks out. It's a weird society where games based on just killing things is fine but human anatomy is some weird taboo.

 notprop wrote:
Erm, do you think it looks like a penis?

*glares*

No.

Look at his head. Now look at the symbol that replaced the Slaaneshi symbol.


Yeesh...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah but he's not. He's reaching his hand out to smack the mechanism that will, "chuck" the spear. *ahem*

Went through a dozen slang terms for chuck and didn't find anything worse than it being s derogatory term for white males 40+ years ago..

I guess it's some kind of euphenism but google isn't helping me out so it can't be overly widespread?

 ImAGeek wrote:
I've always found it strange that people are fine with things like Khorne who's aim is to kill and maim anything and everything, but the minute boobs are shown on a model everyone freaks out. It's a weird society where games based on just killing things is fine but human anatomy is some weird taboo.

Seems to be an issue more in certain countries than in other countries (like USA or Europe)

Some interesting links
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/features/galleryoftheday/14266-New-Warhammer-Fantasy-Most-Absurd-Ridiculous-Crazy-Rules

http://captiongenerator.com/48861/Age-of-Sigmar-interview

I would surely be upset, if slaneesh, would be replaced By PolyCarnus friends call him PC, the chaos god who feeds on the cries of those whom are offended by the slightest thing.

number9dream wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah but he's not. He's reaching his hand out to smack the mechanism that will, "chuck" the spear. *ahem*

Went through a dozen slang terms for chuck and didn't find anything worse than it being s derogatory term for white males 40+ years ago..

I guess it's some kind of euphenism but google isn't helping me out so it can't be overly widespread?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/chucking

Freedom of speech is one thing. The word penis is another.

Even concidering Western society's questionable standards about sex and violence... if Khorne and Nurgle's stuff were in a live-action movie it'd be rated R in the US. So the occasional boob or phallic thingy shouldn't be an issue. (I mean, more phallic than all the swords and spears and guns and helmets already are.) It's not like GW makes explicit references to sex or uses rape as a plot device, coughgameofthronescough. There's not a whole lot to done down.

That said, "PC" is a stupid term. Don't use it.

number9dream wrote:
Went through a dozen slang terms for chuck and didn't find anything worse than it being s derogatory term for white males 40+ years ago..

I guess it's some kind of euphenism but google isn't helping me out so it can't be overly widespread?

Spear. Chucker.

Wow, a lot of panic here... Slaanesh is frequently mentioned in the new AoS Chaos books (look for Keywords) so I can't see this as anything else than the logo being replaced for IP reasons.

I wonder if this means that the Slaanesh symbol is going to be replaced in 40K as well... Probably it does.

If GW did ax Slaanesh over family friendly ness it will be interesting to see how the GW white knights defend this

In Britain, "chucking" means throwing something ("The Games Workshop chucked thirty years of Warhammer lore in the bin") or vomiting ("When I saw that Warhammer's amazing backstory had been binned off, only to be replaced by a semi-psychotic mess, I chucked up").

So what's going on with the Chaos Gods now?

And why do the GW only ever focus on Khorne and Space Marines? What about people who are interested in the other Warhammer/40K factions? Never mind, here are more Space Marines and another Imperial tank.

Because they are the obvious archetypes of the heroic and villainous monster in what can other wise be quite a sea of greyish morality.

The symbol is similar to the horned rats symbol. The only real difference is the end times horned rat symbol didnt have the circle and instead had two horns with a warpstone joining them. I am inclined to say it is the horned rat. As for slaanesh i would say he/she is enjoying tyrions dungeon and will probably feature in some sort of corruption of tyrion (possibly the elves) at some stage due to exposure to slaanesh. I dont think they will kill slaanesh though, maybe make it a minor god similar to Malal, Hashut and a few others, or imprisoned by the elves. Story line could be something along the lines of tyrions assault on slaanesh reduced his power to almost nothing and now slaanesh has gone to lick its wounds and build power again to hopefully one day return, and thus is no longer one of the big 4 (horned rat taking his place).

Considering that as gods they are manifestations of peoples thoughts/ideas you cant technically kill any of them, only reduce them so much in power that they can barely create a demon.

Not saying its a great story but if they do it properly it would be interesting (and if they dont kill slaanesh but reduce its power you can still technically play slaanesh armies).

 Jehan-reznor wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
I've always found it strange that people are fine with things like Khorne who's aim is to kill and maim anything and everything, but the minute boobs are shown on a model everyone freaks out. It's a weird society where games based on just killing things is fine but human anatomy is some weird taboo.

Seems to be an issue more in certain countries than in other countries (like USA or Europe)

Some interesting links
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/features/galleryoftheday/14266-New-Warhammer-Fantasy-Most-Absurd-Ridiculous-Crazy-Rules

http://captiongenerator.com/48861/Age-of-Sigmar-interview

41 comments on escapist, 1 positive. Nice plan GW and even better execution heh.

I would surely be upset, if slaneesh, would be replaced By PolyCarnus friends call him PC, the chaos god who feeds on the cries of those whom are offended by the slightest thing.

Hahaha PC, chaos god and nigmos, his daemons.


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 Harriticus wrote:
If GW did ax Slaanesh over family friendly ness it will be interesting to see how the GW white knights defend this

(S)he was boring just like sex drugs and guitars plus you can always agree with your opponent that it didnt happen at all.

Slaanesh was only boring because of GWs lack of imagination.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
I've always found it strange that people are fine with things like Khorne who's aim is to kill and maim anything and everything, but the minute boobs are shown on a model everyone freaks out. It's a weird society where games based on just killing things is fine but human anatomy is some weird taboo.

Seems to be an issue more in certain countries than in other countries (like USA or Europe)

Some interesting links
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/features/galleryoftheday/14266-New-Warhammer-Fantasy-Most-Absurd-Ridiculous-Crazy-Rules

http://captiongenerator.com/48861/Age-of-Sigmar-interview

I would surely be upset, if slaneesh, would be replaced By PolyCarnus friends call him PC, the chaos god who feeds on the cries of those whom are offended by the slightest thing.

number9dream wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah but he's not. He's reaching his hand out to smack the mechanism that will, "chuck" the spear. *ahem*

Went through a dozen slang terms for chuck and didn't find anything worse than it being s derogatory term for white males 40+ years ago..

I guess it's some kind of euphenism but google isn't helping me out so it can't be overly widespread?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/chucking

oh i thought hmbc was saying it had some kind of derogatory double meaning, but i realize his post was in reply to the guy mentioning the hitler salute. I know the common meaning for chucking, just thought ibwas missing some offensive double meaning.

number9dream wrote:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
I've always found it strange that people are fine with things like Khorne who's aim is to kill and maim anything and everything, but the minute boobs are shown on a model everyone freaks out. It's a weird society where games based on just killing things is fine but human anatomy is some weird taboo.

Seems to be an issue more in certain countries than in other countries (like USA or Europe)

Some interesting links
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/features/galleryoftheday/14266-New-Warhammer-Fantasy-Most-Absurd-Ridiculous-Crazy-Rules

http://captiongenerator.com/48861/Age-of-Sigmar-interview

I would surely be upset, if slaneesh, would be replaced By PolyCarnus friends call him PC, the chaos god who feeds on the cries of those whom are offended by the slightest thing.

number9dream wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah but he's not. He's reaching his hand out to smack the mechanism that will, "chuck" the spear. *ahem*

Went through a dozen slang terms for chuck and didn't find anything worse than it being s derogatory term for white males 40+ years ago..

I guess it's some kind of euphenism but google isn't helping me out so it can't be overly widespread?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/chucking

oh i thought hmbc was saying it had some kind of derogatory double meaning, but i realize his post was in reply to the guy mentioning the hitler salute. I know the common meaning for chucking, just thought ibwas missing some offensive double meaning.

It is

Has this been posted already?

Yes, but not upside down.

 prowla wrote:

Has this been posted already?

Spoiler:

New magnetic bases? Not yet...

 prowla wrote:

Has this been posted already?

Spoiler:

Australian exclusive kit?

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 prowla wrote:

Has this been posted already?

Spoiler:

Australian exclusive kit?

Have an exalt

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 prowla wrote:

Has this been posted already?

Spoiler:

Australian exclusive kit?

I see what you did there...

Impossible, though. GW hates us.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:


Australian exclusive kit?

That would explain the AUS prices, though, if they have to produce a separate reversed sprue for all the Australian models.

 Harriticus wrote:
If GW did ax Slaanesh over family friendly ness it will be interesting to see how the GW white knights defend this

Exactly how they defended the change from the metal deamonettes to the plastic

migooo wrote:

 Harriticus wrote:
If GW did ax Slaanesh over family friendly ness it will be interesting to see how the GW white knights defend this

Exactly how they defended the change from the metal deamonettes to the plastic

The Diaz daemonettes are better sculpts but they're honestly quite uninteresting, basically just naked ladies. The new ones are more interesting but unfortunately worse sculpts.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

number9dream wrote:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
I've always found it strange that people are fine with things like Khorne who's aim is to kill and maim anything and everything, but the minute boobs are shown on a model everyone freaks out. It's a weird society where games based on just killing things is fine but human anatomy is some weird taboo.

Seems to be an issue more in certain countries than in other countries (like USA or Europe)

Some interesting links
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/features/galleryoftheday/14266-New-Warhammer-Fantasy-Most-Absurd-Ridiculous-Crazy-Rules

http://captiongenerator.com/48861/Age-of-Sigmar-interview

I would surely be upset, if slaneesh, would be replaced By PolyCarnus friends call him PC, the chaos god who feeds on the cries of those whom are offended by the slightest thing.

number9dream wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah but he's not. He's reaching his hand out to smack the mechanism that will, "chuck" the spear. *ahem*

Went through a dozen slang terms for chuck and didn't find anything worse than it being s derogatory term for white males 40+ years ago..

I guess it's some kind of euphenism but google isn't helping me out so it can't be overly widespread?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/chucking

oh i thought hmbc was saying it had some kind of derogatory double meaning, but i realize his post was in reply to the guy mentioning the hitler salute. I know the common meaning for chucking, just thought ibwas missing some offensive double meaning.

Spoiler:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

number9dream wrote:
Went through a dozen slang terms for chuck and didn't find anything worse than it being s derogatory term for white males 40+ years ago..

I guess it's some kind of euphenism but google isn't helping me out so it can't be overly widespread?

Spear. Chucker.

It is

Oh yeah, i forgot about this stereotype.

Mymearan wrote:

migooo wrote:

 Harriticus wrote:
If GW did ax Slaanesh over family friendly ness it will be interesting to see how the GW white knights defend this

Exactly how they defended the change from the metal deamonettes to the plastic

The Diaz daemonettes are better sculpts but they're honestly quite uninteresting, basically just naked ladies. The new ones are more interesting but unfortunately worse sculpts.

I'll give you that. A nice medium between the two would be ideal.

I'm not going to say I need bewbs for slaanesh, but it should be seductive, and horrific like the species creature or Kerrigan

As soon as someone mentioned Malekith, I immediately went "oooooh that's what that symbol reminds me of!"

Slanesh got locked up by... Tyrion? The Great Horned Rat took its place I guess.

Mymearan wrote:

migooo wrote:

 Harriticus wrote:
If GW did ax Slaanesh over family friendly ness it will be interesting to see how the GW white knights defend this

Exactly how they defended the change from the metal deamonettes to the plastic

The Diaz daemonettes are better sculpts but they're honestly quite uninteresting, basically just naked ladies. The new ones are more interesting but unfortunately worse sculpts.

Love the Diaz sculpts - have quite a few but hard to get hold of more as very sought after. The new Daemonettes I am not as fond of but they are, I have found, quite in keeping with source material.

Of course GW tonned down the boobs on Daemonettes and then brought out the Medusea - which is also a great model, IMO

 prowla wrote:

Has this been posted already?

Spoiler:

Thank you. I think we needed that.

Forgive my bad memory, but was Warhammer Slaanesh as closely associated with the elves as 40K's? With the Dark Elf crown symbol in place of the classic Slaaneshi one, might we be seeing some sort of Khaine / Slaanesh fusion as the new Elven contribution to the Chaos pantheon? God of murder and excess? Murderous excess? Excessive murder?

 Vermonter wrote:
Forgive my bad memory, but was Warhammer Slaanesh as closely associated with the elves as 40K's? With the Dark Elf crown symbol in place of the classic Slaaneshi one, might we be seeing some sort of Khaine / Slaanesh fusion as the new Elven contribution to the Chaos pantheon? God of murder and excess? Murderous excess? Excessive murder?

Slaanesh is associated with the Elves, but not in the "ELVES CREATED HIM/HER!" way.

Slaaneshi Cults played basically the most important part of The Sundering, as Morathi and Malekith used the justification/accusation of individuals being members of the Slaaneshi Pleasure Cults to go after their enemies before they were ready to attempt to try for the mantle of Phoenix King.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Vermonter wrote:
Forgive my bad memory, but was Warhammer Slaanesh as closely associated with the elves as 40K's? With the Dark Elf crown symbol in place of the classic Slaaneshi one, might we be seeing some sort of Khaine / Slaanesh fusion as the new Elven contribution to the Chaos pantheon? God of murder and excess? Murderous excess? Excessive murder?

Slaanesh is associated with the Elves, but not in the "ELVES CREATED HIM/HER!" way.

Slaaneshi Cults played basically the most important part of The Sundering, as Morathi and Malekith used the justification/accusation of individuals being members of the Slaaneshi Pleasure Cults to go after their enemies before they were ready to attempt to try for the mantle of Phoenix King.

Hey that cannon is dead. Sigmar swung his hammer and killed 30 years of background. That has been erased from the recordbooks thus no longer true

 namiel wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Vermonter wrote:
Forgive my bad memory, but was Warhammer Slaanesh as closely associated with the elves as 40K's? With the Dark Elf crown symbol in place of the classic Slaaneshi one, might we be seeing some sort of Khaine / Slaanesh fusion as the new Elven contribution to the Chaos pantheon? God of murder and excess? Murderous excess? Excessive murder?

Slaanesh is associated with the Elves, but not in the "ELVES CREATED HIM/HER!" way.

Slaaneshi Cults played basically the most important part of The Sundering, as Morathi and Malekith used the justification/accusation of individuals being members of the Slaaneshi Pleasure Cults to go after their enemies before they were ready to attempt to try for the mantle of Phoenix King.

Hey that cannon is dead. Sigmar swung his hammer and killed 30 years of background. That has been erased from the recordbooks thus no longer true

It's not "dead", it's just "The World Before Time".

 Kanluwen wrote:

 namiel wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Vermonter wrote:
Forgive my bad memory, but was Warhammer Slaanesh as closely associated with the elves as 40K's? With the Dark Elf crown symbol in place of the classic Slaaneshi one, might we be seeing some sort of Khaine / Slaanesh fusion as the new Elven contribution to the Chaos pantheon? God of murder and excess? Murderous excess? Excessive murder?

Slaanesh is associated with the Elves, but not in the "ELVES CREATED HIM/HER!" way.

Slaaneshi Cults played basically the most important part of The Sundering, as Morathi and Malekith used the justification/accusation of individuals being members of the Slaaneshi Pleasure Cults to go after their enemies before they were ready to attempt to try for the mantle of Phoenix King.

Hey that cannon is dead. Sigmar swung his hammer and killed 30 years of background. That has been erased from the recordbooks thus no longer true

It's not "dead", it's just "The World Before Time".

Sigmar smote the warhammer world just as Gandalf did the balrog on the mountain side

 namiel wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Vermonter wrote:
Forgive my bad memory, but was Warhammer Slaanesh as closely associated with the elves as 40K's? With the Dark Elf crown symbol in place of the classic Slaaneshi one, might we be seeing some sort of Khaine / Slaanesh fusion as the new Elven contribution to the Chaos pantheon? God of murder and excess? Murderous excess? Excessive murder?

Slaanesh is associated with the Elves, but not in the "ELVES CREATED HIM/HER!" way.

Slaaneshi Cults played basically the most important part of The Sundering, as Morathi and Malekith used the justification/accusation of individuals being members of the Slaaneshi Pleasure Cults to go after their enemies before they were ready to attempt to try for the mantle of Phoenix King.

Hey that cannon is dead. Sigmar swung his hammer and killed 30 years of background. That has been erased from the recordbooks thus no longer true

It still happened. AoS is just set after it.

 namiel wrote:

Sigmar smote the warhammer world just as Gandalf did the balrog on the mountain side

That doesn't mean that the Balrog never existed though, now does it?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 namiel wrote:

Sigmar smote the warhammer world just as Gandalf did the balrog on the mountain side

That doesn't mean that the Balrog never existed though, now does it?

I was being facetious but touché

Mymearan wrote:
The Diaz daemonettes are better sculpts but they're honestly quite uninteresting, basically just naked ladies. The new ones are more interesting but unfortunately worse sculpts.

Just naked ladies, except for the faces, hair, arms and legs. Got regular butts though. The plastics didn't change much, other than being crap by comparison. Got rid of the horn/tentacle "hair" but added tails and odd clothing. Made the faces more Buffy vampire-ish. Dunno what's interesting about that.

I think the Diaznettes are some of the greatest sculpts GW's ever released, with an uncharacteristically subtle and cohesive design. I thought it was very appropriate for Slaanesh to have a more elegant aesthetic like that. Plus of all the intended-as-sexy minis out there they're one of the few that actually work, which I think Juan Diaz deserves some credit for.

The Horrors of that same generation were pretty awesome too.

WD leaks from naftka & /tg

http://imgur.com/a/xfKw1

Well, they at least mention the Dark Prince (aka Slaanesh), so it's not like they're retconning him/her/it/schlim out of existence. I'm guessing that might become a part of the evolving story for the game.

guru wrote:
WD leaks from naftka & /tg

http://imgur.com/a/xfKw1

Was the old Warhammer planet always named Mallus or is this a new thing?

Also, can anyone tell if any of the woody models are new? I'm no expert.

Just did a quick review of the starter set, along with a few thoughts on where I think the game might be going;

https://ttgamingdiary.wordpress.com/2015/07/09/age-of-sigmar-is-it-any-good/

 lord_blackfang wrote:

guru wrote:
WD leaks from naftka & /tg

http://imgur.com/a/xfKw1

Was the old Warhammer planet always named Mallus or is this a new thing?

Also, can anyone tell if any of the woody models are new? I'm no expert.

Never heard it called that before. But it's awfully close to Malleus, which is Latin for....HAMMER.

guru wrote:
WD leaks from naftka & /tg

http://imgur.com/a/xfKw1

After reading through all that.

I really, really like the new lore and setting. It pays homage to the old while giving a new restructured world that isn't just the real world with fantasy factions slapped in it. It also leaves TONS of room for homebrew/custom content/minor factions.

The whippy sticks in the box set are incredible:

Am I reading the Liberator Warscroll correctly that if just one model is equip with a shield the whole unit gets to reroll 1's?

Im really not liking this split weapon profile and then have split models with split weapon profiles in the unit.

https://www.facebook.com/DesignbyTuomasPirinen/posts/1620250038223421

Apologies if this has been posted already.

For those that didn't know, Tuomas Pirinen was the father of Warhammer 6th edition -- A rule set most considered the golden age of Warhammer -- One that was ruined by bad army book design and power creep.

 Therion wrote:
https://www.facebook.com/DesignbyTuomasPirinen/posts/1620250038223421

Apologies if this has been posted already.

For those that didn't know, Tuomas Pirinen was the father of Warhammer 6th edition -- A rule set most considered the golden age of Warhammer -- One that was ruined by bad army book design and power creep.

It was posted already but no need to apologize!

This thread moves fast, and a lot of the interesting stuff gets buried and lost quickly...

Amen to that Tuomas:

"If you don't like the rules, I absolutely get it. Please don't take it out on the people that do like them. As gamers we've never had as much choice and quality to choose from when it comes to feeding our gaming habits.

Thoughtful critique and discussion wins over bitterness and fanboyism every time."

number9dream wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah but he's not. He's reaching his hand out to smack the mechanism that will, "chuck" the spear. *ahem*

Went through a dozen slang terms for chuck and didn't find anything worse than it being s derogatory term for white males 40+ years ago..

I guess it's some kind of euphenism but google isn't helping me out so it can't be overly widespread?

Did you google "spear chucker"?

So we've got
Sigmar
Sigmaron - his castle
Sigmarite - mined from the remains of the old world (Mallus)
Sigmarabulum - the forges where they make weapons

Is this going to end up like murderfang with murderclaws?

Chopxsticks wrote:
Am I reading the Liberator Warscroll correctly that if just one model is equip with a shield the whole unit gets to reroll 1's?

Im really not liking this split weapon profile and then have split models with split weapon profiles in the unit.

I don't think you can mix weapons, apart the great weapons.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
The whippy sticks in the box set are incredible:

those look so painful

So, Slaanesh does go missing.

Here's hoping it's just for a minor lore touch up.

Ashitaka wrote:
So we've got
Sigmar
Sigmaron - his castle
Sigmarite - mined from the remains of the old world (Mallus)
Sigmarabulum - the forges where they make weapons

Is this going to end up like murderfang with murderclaws?

That's just plain wrong. Quite sad that this is what is replacing the Warhammer World

 Lt. Donomar StubbornBull wrote:

Ashitaka wrote:
So we've got
Sigmar
Sigmaron - his castle
Sigmarite - mined from the remains of the old world (Mallus)
Sigmarabulum - the forges where they make weapons

Is this going to end up like murderfang with murderclaws?

That's just plain wrong. Quite sad that this is what is replacing the Warhammer World

Because the old world was known for its creative naming..

 Shadowclaimer wrote:

 Lt. Donomar StubbornBull wrote:

Ashitaka wrote:
So we've got
Sigmar
Sigmaron - his castle
Sigmarite - mined from the remains of the old world (Mallus)
Sigmarabulum - the forges where they make weapons

Is this going to end up like murderfang with murderclaws?

That's just plain wrong. Quite sad that this is what is replacing the Warhammer World

Because the old world was known for its creative naming..

It was way better than the 40K Galaxy!

 Shadowclaimer wrote:

 Lt. Donomar StubbornBull wrote:

Ashitaka wrote:
So we've got
Sigmar
Sigmaron - his castle
Sigmarite - mined from the remains of the old world (Mallus)
Sigmarabulum - the forges where they make weapons

Is this going to end up like murderfang with murderclaws?

That's just plain wrong. Quite sad that this is what is replacing the Warhammer World

Because the old world was known for its creative naming..

The Old World was an interesting backdrop for the Warhammer setting. Do you think that 'Sigmar' as the stem of all those background descriptions is creative or interesting?

 Shadowclaimer wrote:

 Lt. Donomar StubbornBull wrote:

Ashitaka wrote:
So we've got
Sigmar
Sigmaron - his castle
Sigmarite - mined from the remains of the old world (Mallus)
Sigmarabulum - the forges where they make weapons

Is this going to end up like murderfang with murderclaws?

That's just plain wrong. Quite sad that this is what is replacing the Warhammer World

Because the old world was known for its creative naming..

While the Old World and 40k are definitely lacking in the creative name department, I really don't like this "name everything with the same core word" concept they've got going on, aka Murderfang and whatnot.

 namiel wrote:

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
The whippy sticks in the box set are incredible:

those look so painful

Hahahaha oh my god, I didn't think it was possible that they could make the whippy sticks even more intimidating!

lord_blackfang wrote:Now you have my permission to rage.

Haha Slaanesh fan? I just thought the icon looked funny.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:I would strongly suspect the new fourth is The Horned Rat. The double horns remind me of the new verminlords. He did very well for himself in the End Times, I think he leveled up to the grownups table.

I don't think it's the Horned Rat only because that would sort of imply that he is directly opposed to Khorne, in the same way that Tzeentch and Nurgle oppose each other. It would also sort of imply human followers of the Great Horned Rat, which I would find very strange.

@Ashitaka- Alexander the Great named numerous cities after himself- Alexandria in Egypt and Alexandretta in Turkey (now İskenderun) also don't forget Washington D.C, Stalingrad and Leningrad. you could argue that naming things and places after your leader is pretty realistic thing to do

It seems to me that they have actually left it quite open for the 'return' of Old World factions such as the Empire, with the whole time travel thing and a city full of 'the lost' people (if I read that right, skim read it tbh) feel free to correct me if im wrong though

I quite like the look of the new models tbh, the sigmarites look decent enough to be a Gods magically created army

I am very intrigued about the while Slaanesh thing. Id say its more story development than retcon. its about time Slaanesh got something new. the fact they are drawing attention to it says they have something big planned, which means new models (after Khorne Daemonkin and the massive amount of khorne/ nurgle fantasy stuff it'll be good to even the field)

I'm afraid I may come down with a case of Sigmaritis- inflmation of the Sigmaral glands if I'm not able to pick up a box this weekend.

Chopxsticks wrote:
Am I reading the Liberator Warscroll correctly that if just one model is equip with a shield the whole unit gets to reroll 1's?

Haven't read the "main" rules yet, but there is nothing in the warscroll from stopping you mixing different weapon loadouts, so yes, you would need only one guy with shield.

I heard Sigmaron will also have a Sigmarina where Sigmar can Sigmoor his boats.

 Hanskrampf wrote:

Chopxsticks wrote:
Am I reading the Liberator Warscroll correctly that if just one model is equip with a shield the whole unit gets to reroll 1's?

Haven't read the "main" rules yet, but there is nothing in the warscroll from stopping you mixing different weapon loadouts, so yes, you would need only one guy with shield.

Yes there is. It says some units are armed with X, while other units are armed with Y. It is talking about units, not models.

You're right, I'm sorry.
Should have gone back to the picture and read the unit entry again.

 Necros wrote:
I heard Sigmaron will also have a Sigmarina where Sigmar can Sigmoor his boats.

The stormcast eternals have a frat you know.
They are part of the sigma phi society

MeanGreenStompa wrote:I think 3 circles of uncle nuggz is a lot less claimable than the slaaneshi symbol.

I have a sudden image of GW trying to sue every pawnbroker in America.

Then when they lose, complain about legal systems designed to pawn pigs.

Thraxas Of Turai wrote:Amen to that Tuomas:

"If you don't like the rules, I absolutely get it. Please don't take it out on the people that do like them. As gamers we've never had as much choice and quality to choose from when it comes to feeding our gaming habits.

Thoughtful critique and discussion wins over bitterness and fanboyism every time."

Rock the boat, don't rock the boat baby, rock the boat, don't tip the boat over...

Again, this sounds like a general salve to soothe anyone who might've huffed at his description of a bland game, and unfriended him. Who's taking it out on AoS fans anyway? I've seen public angst and arguing between people about just how good it is and why exactly oldschool WFB had to die (about 300 pages of it...) and some general ranting about GW fans in another part of the forum; but to counter that there's also been a bit of ranting about stuff like how crap KoW is, how dare KoW be mentioned here when ungrateful people want a balanced mass-battle alternative to AoS, good riddance to gamers who want that terrible, antisocial 'competition' thing, etc... (which goes to show that people taking a less-than-ecstatic review personally, is not that unusual a thing to expect)

 Lt. Donomar StubbornBull wrote:


The Old World was an interesting backdrop for the Warhammer setting. Do you think that 'Sigmar' as the stem of all those background descriptions is creative or interesting?

I'm a bit disappointed with the whole aeon/whatnot that has passed since the destruction of the Old World. They could have made it so that the AoS occurs pretty much immediately after the End Times, picking up the remains of the races that have somehow escaped the destruction, and having the remnants of the OW as one of the worlds they fight upon.

And if it's like 1000 years after the OW, does it make AoS = WH1k?

If I was a god brooding over the loss of my home world to some filthy fanatics hell bent on destroying all good. You better bet your ass im gonna spend the rest of eternity plotting and forging their demise and naming every single thing I can get my rage filled hands on after my glorious self.

BUT IN FANTASY ARCHAON IS 'THE DARK PRINCE'

 Necros wrote:
I heard Sigmaron will also have a Sigmarina where Sigmar can Sigmoor his boats.

hehe He is like the smurfs

Or in sigmaritte ": Sigmar is like sigmar, he names everything after sigmar, because what the sigmar not:

Coinage? Sigmarks

Women's rights in Sigmaron? Sigmarginalized

Exercise? Sigmarathon

When he visits his friends in Jamaica? Sigmon

From BOLS

Keep in mind that's the starter box scenarios. The "normal" ones might not be quite so structured.

Huh. Cool.

Well, telling people what size of table to use for a scenario, and where all the terrain goes, on top of the models to use certainly reduces the chances of imbalance.

Thanks for passing that on.

 Talys wrote:
Huh. Cool.

Well, telling people what size of table to use for a scenario, and where all the terrain goes, on top of the models to use certainly reduces the chances of imbalance.

Thanks for passing that on.

A couple of us were dissussing last night whilst Mechwarrior on lining - sort of follows the end Times sourcebooks wher they had begun to set down the forces incolved in battles much more clearly than before and how the new campaign books will be specifc scenarios with most aspects defined - so more likes historical reneactments than pick up games with a few extra rules.

So I guess you might say "fancy playing X Y or Z scenario rather than play X pts" ....... not sure it will be everyone's cup of tea but IF the scenarios are done well could work to some degree......

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Talys wrote:
Huh. Cool.

Well, telling people what size of table to use for a scenario, and where all the terrain goes, on top of the models to use certainly reduces the chances of imbalance.

Thanks for passing that on.

A couple of us were dissussing last night whilst Mechwarrior on lining - sort of follows the end Times sourcebooks wher they had begun to set down the forces incolved in battles much more clearly than before and how the new campaign books will be specifc scenarios with most aspects defined - so more likes historical reneactments than pick up games with a few extra rules.

So I guess you might say "fancy playing X Y or Z scenario rather than play X pts" ....... not sure it will be everyone's cup of tea but IF the scenarios are done well could work to some degree......

Im certain that people will eventually find there Dust2 or Final destination no items scenario to use for pick up games.

 Lt. Donomar StubbornBull wrote:

 Shadowclaimer wrote:

 Lt. Donomar StubbornBull wrote:

Ashitaka wrote:
So we've got
Sigmar
Sigmaron - his castle
Sigmarite - mined from the remains of the old world (Mallus)
Sigmarabulum - the forges where they make weapons

Is this going to end up like murderfang with murderclaws?

That's just plain wrong. Quite sad that this is what is replacing the Warhammer World

Because the old world was known for its creative naming..

The Old World was an interesting backdrop for the Warhammer setting. Do you think that 'Sigmar' as the stem of all those background descriptions is creative or interesting?

What I think is that you must be running out of important stuff to carp about if this is what's really sticking in your craw right now.

So Sigmar has an ego. *shrug* Alexander the Great established how many Alexandrias? And that was like, real life and stuff.

I actually kinda like how the duel scenario involves just two main characters (and one of their pets) and is played by an NPC. Seems like a good "here's how to play the game" type scenario for showing newbies.

 Vermis wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:I think 3 circles of uncle nuggz is a lot less claimable than the slaaneshi symbol.

I have a sudden image of GW trying to sue every pawnbroker in America.

Then when they lose, complain about legal systems designed to pawn pigs.

Thraxas Of Turai wrote:Amen to that Tuomas:

"If you don't like the rules, I absolutely get it. Please don't take it out on the people that do like them. As gamers we've never had as much choice and quality to choose from when it comes to feeding our gaming habits.

Thoughtful critique and discussion wins over bitterness and fanboyism every time."

Rock the boat, don't rock the boat baby, rock the boat, don't tip the boat over...

Again, this sounds like a general salve to soothe anyone who might've huffed at his description of a bland game, and unfriended him. Who's taking it out on AoS fans anyway? I've seen public angst and arguing between people about just how good it is and why exactly oldschool WFB had to die (about 300 pages of it...) and some general ranting about GW fans in another part of the forum; but to counter that there's also been a bit of ranting about stuff like how crap KoW is, how dare KoW be mentioned here when ungrateful people want a balanced mass-battle alternative to AoS, good riddance to gamers who want that terrible, antisocial 'competition' thing, etc... (which goes to show that people taking a less-than-ecstatic review personally, is not that unusual a thing to expect)

That's some bizarre posting by you. You really believe all that?

GW changed this from a massed battle game to a version of Imperial Assault. True there is no board, but all the other aspects are almost the same. Like cards for units, scenarios, units to use, buffs for conditions, ect.

It's too bad they didn't keep the massed battle, and make this into a proper board game.

 Talys wrote:

Well, telling people what size of table to use for a scenario, and where all the terrain goes, on top of the models to use certainly reduces the chances of imbalance.

Somewhere a bunch of historical players are saying, "Welcome to the adult table Warhammer players".

Iain.

Chairman Aeon wrote:

 Talys wrote:

Well, telling people what size of table to use for a scenario, and where all the terrain goes, on top of the models to use certainly reduces the chances of imbalance.

Somewhere a bunch of historical players are saying, "Welcome to the adult table Warhammer players".

Iain.

Are these the historical players that are riding around on imaginary horses and comparing facial hair to give their troops bonuses?

Chairman Aeon wrote:

 Talys wrote:

Well, telling people what size of table to use for a scenario, and where all the terrain goes, on top of the models to use certainly reduces the chances of imbalance.

Somewhere a bunch of historical players are saying, "Welcome to the adult table Warhammer players".

Iain.

... now, dance for abilities!

gorgon wrote:

 Vermis wrote:
there's also been a bit of ranting about stuff like how crap KoW is, how dare KoW be mentioned here when ungrateful people want a balanced mass-battle alternative to AoS, good riddance to gamers who want that terrible, antisocial 'competition' thing, etc... (which goes to show that people taking a less-than-ecstatic review personally, is not that unusual a thing to expect)

That's some bizarre posting by you. You really believe all that?

Ladies and gentlemen: exhibit A.

Gorgon, not to say I and others disappointed by AoS aren't confrontational about it, but all I've seen you do is lash out at people who suggest AoS isn't all that and a bag of chips.

Remember, thoughtful critique and discussion wins over bitterness and fanboyism.

 infinite_array wrote:

Chairman Aeon wrote:

 Talys wrote:

Well, telling people what size of table to use for a scenario, and where all the terrain goes, on top of the models to use certainly reduces the chances of imbalance.

Somewhere a bunch of historical players are saying, "Welcome to the adult table Warhammer players".

Iain.

Are these the historical players that are riding around on imaginary horses and comparing facial hair to give their troops bonuses?

The fun ones are.

I think those previewed campaign missions sound quite good.

Are there plans to roll out scenario campaigns for all races do we know? Or just generic style ones where you can sub in any faction?

Also, I may well have missed a beat on this but where are the Sigmarite faction rules found? Only in the main boxed set?

 infinite_array wrote:

Chairman Aeon wrote:

 Talys wrote:

Well, telling people what size of table to use for a scenario, and where all the terrain goes, on top of the models to use certainly reduces the chances of imbalance.

Somewhere a bunch of historical players are saying, "Welcome to the adult table Warhammer players".

Iain.

Are these the historical players that are riding around on imaginary horses and comparing facial hair to give their troops bonuses?

Well, in SAGA, you break ties on deployment by giving the choice to the player with the "Most impressive facial hair." Does that count?

-John

Jbuckmaster wrote:

 infinite_array wrote:

Chairman Aeon wrote:

 Talys wrote:

Well, telling people what size of table to use for a scenario, and where all the terrain goes, on top of the models to use certainly reduces the chances of imbalance.

Somewhere a bunch of historical players are saying, "Welcome to the adult table Warhammer players".

Iain.

Are these the historical players that are riding around on imaginary horses and comparing facial hair to give their troops bonuses?

Well, in SAGA, you break ties on deployment by giving the choice to the player with the "Most impressive facial hair." Does that count?

-John

I guess? I mean, I have managed to win several ties thanks to my facial hair!

But then again, that's simply a way to break ties on deployments. It's not as though I can walk around naked and twist my nipples to make my Berserkers better in combat.

 infinite_array wrote:
Are these the historical players that are riding around on imaginary horses and comparing facial hair to give their troops bonuses?

No, they are the ones wondering why Warhammer players have been doing that stuff since the '80s... for no particular reason*.

Iain.

* I mean for a troop bonus, they'd understand that.

 Ratius wrote:
I think those previewed campaign missions sound quite good.

Are there plans to roll out scenario campaigns for all races do we know? Or just generic style ones where you can sub in any faction?

Also, I may well have missed a beat on this but where are the Sigmarite faction rules found? Only in the main boxed set?

The Sigmarite faction rules haven't been released yet as there aren't technically any Sigmarite faction models released yet. Patience, grasshopper. The models are only up for preorder right now. We'll get the rules after the models are actually, you know, for sale.

In the Smallworld board game, the player with the pointiest ears goes first.

I always went first. But, perhaps crucially, it wasn't an unfair, ongoing, irritating advantage. More's the pity.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Talys wrote:
Huh. Cool.

Well, telling people what size of table to use for a scenario, and where all the terrain goes, on top of the models to use certainly reduces the chances of imbalance.

So I guess you might say "fancy playing X Y or Z scenario rather than play X pts" ....... not sure it will be everyone's cup of tea but IF the scenarios are done well could work to some degree......

Yeah.. and they lasted until Scenario no. 6 before stating ".. you may include any other units you want."

 gorgon wrote:

 Lt. Donomar StubbornBull wrote:

 Shadowclaimer wrote:

 Lt. Donomar StubbornBull wrote:

Ashitaka wrote:
So we've got
Sigmar
Sigmaron - his castle
Sigmarite - mined from the remains of the old world (Mallus)
Sigmarabulum - the forges where they make weapons

Is this going to end up like murderfang with murderclaws?

That's just plain wrong. Quite sad that this is what is replacing the Warhammer World

Because the old world was known for its creative naming..

The Old World was an interesting backdrop for the Warhammer setting. Do you think that 'Sigmar' as the stem of all those background descriptions is creative or interesting?

What I think is that you must be running out of important stuff to carp about if this is what's really sticking in your craw right now.

So Sigmar has an ego. *shrug* Alexander the Great established how many Alexandrias? And that was like, real life and stuff.

OTOH the idea of fantasy is often to at least come up with something that is *more* interesting than history/real life.

 Therion wrote:
https://www.facebook.com/DesignbyTuomasPirinen/posts/1620250038223421

Apologies if this has been posted already.

For those that didn't know, Tuomas Pirinen was the father of Warhammer 6th edition -- A rule set most considered the golden age of Warhammer -- One that was ruined by bad army book design and power creep.

He thinks these designs are like Apple?

Dude, your company has always been the Microsoft of miniature design. In most players' lifetimes, Apple's really only existed as an opposition to Microsoft.

And at least Alexander's army wasn't armed with Alexandrite weapons forged at the Alexandrabulum while they were scouring the world looking for buried Alexandrium.

 gorgon wrote:

Spoiler:

 Lt. Donomar StubbornBull wrote:

 Shadowclaimer wrote:

 Lt. Donomar StubbornBull wrote:

Ashitaka wrote:
So we've got
Sigmar
Sigmaron - his castle
Sigmarite - mined from the remains of the old world (Mallus)
Sigmarabulum - the forges where they make weapons

Is this going to end up like murderfang with murderclaws?

That's just plain wrong. Quite sad that this is what is replacing the Warhammer World

Because the old world was known for its creative naming..

The Old World was an interesting backdrop for the Warhammer setting. Do you think that 'Sigmar' as the stem of all those background descriptions is creative or interesting?

What I think is that you must be running out of important stuff to carp about if this is what's really sticking in your craw right now.

So Sigmar has an ego. *shrug* Alexander the Great established how many Alexandrias? And that was like, real life and stuff.

Hell if anything, this release is closer to Windows 8 than any Apple release.

The Sigmar rooted names are a city he founded, a central area of said city, and a metal he created.

I think that's a fair set of words to root like that.

I think it sounds as silly as the wolfclawed wolfborn wolfram with his wolfhowl about the coming of the wolftime

Whilst the idea of various cities and such named after Sigmar (kinda like with Alexander he great), there's such a thing as taking it too far, which GW sadly enough does way too often...

 Alpharius wrote:
And at least Alexander's army wasn't armed with Alexandrite weapons forged at the Alexandrabulum while they were scouring the world looking for buried Alexandrium.

Stop it before you accidentally write a sequel to the Da Vinci Code.

Is it possible Sigmar has a vocabulary disability? Imagine if Hodor were a god who had to name an entire new world's worth of people, places and things.

 Shadowclaimer wrote:
The Sigmar rooted names are a city he founded, a central area of said city, and a metal he created.

I think that's a fair set of words to root like that.

Designer A: Space Marine armour is made of Ceramite
Designer B: We should use a different name for the fantasy marines, something that is different and completely new. Like Sigmar-ramite or Sig-ramite
Designer A: Sig-marite.....

 prowla wrote:

 Lt. Donomar StubbornBull wrote:


The Old World was an interesting backdrop for the Warhammer setting. Do you think that 'Sigmar' as the stem of all those background descriptions is creative or interesting?

I'm a bit disappointed with the whole aeon/whatnot that has passed since the destruction of the Old World. They could have made it so that the AoS occurs pretty much immediately after the End Times, picking up the remains of the races that have somehow escaped the destruction, and having the remnants of the OW as one of the worlds they fight upon.

And if it's like 1000 years after the OW, does it make AoS = WH1k?

Don't worry, everything that happened in the intervening time will be revealed in the forthcoming book, The Sigmarillion.


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 Alpharius wrote:
And at least Alexander's army wasn't armed with Alexandrite weapons forged at the Alexandrabulum while they were scouring the world looking for buried Alexandrium.

I'm just glad he didn't make his home in Sigmarelot, 'tis a silly place afterall.

Naming things after someone really isnt that big of a deal. From the fluff it seems Sigmar is the only dude around when he finds the core of the world, the special metal, new realms etc. Perhaps he wanted to solidify his presence as a god to these new people by naming this other wordly metal and palace after himself. Everyone will be reminded of Sigmar by the mere mention of the metal which forged demi-gods or the walls which protect his citizens lives. You would want to do every little thing possible to remind people that you are the one true god, seeing how tempting chaos can be.

Or perhaps he just didnt have the time or energy to think about what he was going to call this new metal or his palace, the guys who make up new names for elements were either enslaved or dead.

Preston Jon, that was brilliant. Specifically, "Sigmarillion".

It's a good thing Sigmaron is volcanically stable. I'd hate to see everyone sprayed with hot Smigma..

Ashitaka wrote:
So we've got
Sigmar
Sigmaron - his castle
Sigmarite - mined from the remains of the old world (Mallus)
Sigmarabulum - the forges where they make weapons

Sigmadil - the artificial star Sigmar made from Sigmarite

I think the most annoying part about Sigmar tacking his name onto everything is that we already had something called a Sigmarite, and it wasn't a metal.



I mean, they were pretty metal in the figurative sense, but they tended to object if you made armor out of them.

From Adeptus Astartes on Facebook



and what looks like the beginning of the end for some older stuff

Prestor Jon wrote:


I'm just glad he didn't make his home in Sigmarelot, 'tis a silly place afterall.

I'm sure the Dracoth is actually a guy in a costume banging 2 halves of a coconut together lol.

 Melissia wrote:
Hell if anything, this release is closer to Windows 8 than any Apple release.

I can get behind this! Windows 8 was a great OS but a huge learning curve and a drastic change. However I think Windows 10 is a vast improvement and built on alot of things Windows 8 did and then made them better. So here is to hoping AoS will become Windows 10!

Hello fellow Sigmorons! Should we all mosey on down to the Sigmarina or perhaps hope upon our Sigmares and ride on down to the Sigmart to purchase a sack of Sigmarshmallows with our Sigmark currency?

So is that big awesome piece of artwork supposed to be Sigmar laying a beat down on Slaanesh?

This is the one I'm talking about:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI70NfZVAAIDr0s.png:large

Did they pass the vote to allow gay Sigmarriage in Sigmar yet?

 Vermis wrote:

gorgon wrote:

 Vermis wrote:
there's also been a bit of ranting about stuff like how crap KoW is, how dare KoW be mentioned here when ungrateful people want a balanced mass-battle alternative to AoS, good riddance to gamers who want that terrible, antisocial 'competition' thing, etc... (which goes to show that people taking a less-than-ecstatic review personally, is not that unusual a thing to expect)

That's some bizarre posting by you. You really believe all that?

Ladies and gentlemen: exhibit A.

Gorgon, not to say I and others disappointed by AoS aren't confrontational about it, but all I've seen you do is lash out at people who suggest AoS isn't all that and a bag of chips.

Remember, thoughtful critique and discussion wins over bitterness and fanboyism.

Which would be all well and good if half of the posts, by the same 10 people, did nothing but complain about the rules, the scrolls, the imbalance, the lack of points values, how much better KOW is, etc., ad nauseum. Saying it once or twice in a thread, ok, but every 3rd post? Come on. And how about actually playing the game? Most of the criticism was 'pre-release', so its not like anyone actually played before criticising based solely on "its GW".

I have played AoS, doing nothing more than showing up at my friend's house with a box of Brets, he had already picked some Orcs, including a giant, and the game went great. Easy play, quick to check rules (all 4 pages of them), tactical decisions across the board. We're planning to play more often, and develop a campaign.

So yeah, some people might actually like it having played it, without being 'fanboys'.

Why is it okay for people to say positive things about the game but when people say negative things it's just 'whining and complaining'? Some people might actually dislike it, without being 'whiners'.

 Spinner wrote:
I think the most annoying part about Sigmar tacking his name onto everything is that we already had something called a Sigmarite, and it wasn't a metal.



I mean, they were pretty metal in the figurative sense, but they tended to object if you made armor out of them.

Yes another difference was that the old one were awesome and the new ones are dumb.

I cant quite put a finger on why are they dumb though. I think it's something with the legs as it really stroke me when I saw that embarassing statue. Or maybe it's the pose, or the fact that they are space marines but nice, curved and infinitely less agressive, I dont know. Kills me tbh.

I know I will have the moment of enlightment and the reason for the dumbness of the designs will reveal itself to me.

Albino Squirrel wrote:
So is that big awesome piece of artwork supposed to be Sigmar laying a beat down on Slaanesh?

This is the one I'm talking about:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI70NfZVAAIDr0s.png:large

Is that meant to be Slaanesh? Nothing like how I pictured him/her.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Why is it okay for people to say positive things about the game but when people say negative things it's just 'whining and complaining'? Some people might actually dislike it, without being 'whiners'.

Because most the whining has been based solely off of rumor.

WIth all these rebasing I was wondering that GW has not actually released any cavalry ovals correct?

 NAVARRO wrote:
WIth all these rebasing I was wondering that GW has not actually released any cavalry ovals correct?

Bike bases?

 Avrik_Shasla wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Why is it okay for people to say positive things about the game but when people say negative things it's just 'whining and complaining'? Some people might actually dislike it, without being 'whiners'.

Because most the whining has been based solely off of rumor.

Not really when the rules have been online for almost 2 weeks?


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 Jinx Magiga wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
WIth all these rebasing I was wondering that GW has not actually released any cavalry ovals correct?

Bike bases?

There are those smaller oval bases like the Skitarii sniper thingy, but I'm not sure you can buy them seperately.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

Spoiler:

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and what looks like the beginning of the end for some older stuff

The Skink Priest is still available on the US site. I imagine availability via eBay will be possible too. I've noticed pricing is kind of weird now, some things way over priced as if they were genuine 40K Praetorian Guard while the same item is dirt cheap from somebody else. With some shopping, though, most things can be had for a good deal still.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Why is it okay for people to say positive things about the game but when people say negative things it's just 'whining and complaining'? Some people might actually dislike it, without being 'whiners'.

Namely because they say it every other post. Yeah you dont like it we know. Move along and let the folks that do enjoy it actually enjoy it instead of posting crap about it when you dont need to

What is this supposed to be?

The writing is so.... odd that it just doesn't even make sense.

Murderfang, Murderfang, Murderfang.... and Pickles the drummer.....

 Motograter wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Why is it okay for people to say positive things about the game but when people say negative things it's just 'whining and complaining'? Some people might actually dislike it, without being 'whiners'.

Namely because they say it every other post. Yeah you dont like it we know. Move along and let the folks that do enjoy it actually enjoy it instead of posting crap about it when you dont need to

So if people don't like something, they aren't allowed to talk about it, or discuss why? I get there's a few people who are over the top about it, but there's also a few people over the top positive about things that won't let anyone say anything negative. If people don't like it they should be allowed to say still. Saying something negative doesn't always equate to whining.

If you're happy with it all power to you. Others aren't. It doesn't matter to you what they think, and as long as they aren't breaking forum rules they can post what they want about it.

 ImAGeek wrote:


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 Jinx Magiga wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
WIth all these rebasing I was wondering that GW has not actually released any cavalry ovals correct?

Bike bases?

There are those smaller oval bases like the Skitarii sniper thingy, but I'm not sure you can buy them seperately.

By the pictures we have seen for gobbos and lizzies it seems that those fat ovals from the Skitarii are the ones going forward... I cannot find them on sale though.

 Cruentus wrote:

 Vermis wrote:

gorgon wrote:

 Vermis wrote:
there's also been a bit of ranting about stuff like how crap KoW is, how dare KoW be mentioned here when ungrateful people want a balanced mass-battle alternative to AoS, good riddance to gamers who want that terrible, antisocial 'competition' thing, etc... (which goes to show that people taking a less-than-ecstatic review personally, is not that unusual a thing to expect)

That's some bizarre posting by you. You really believe all that?

Ladies and gentlemen: exhibit A.

Gorgon, not to say I and others disappointed by AoS aren't confrontational about it, but all I've seen you do is lash out at people who suggest AoS isn't all that and a bag of chips.

Remember, thoughtful critique and discussion wins over bitterness and fanboyism.

Which would be all well and good if half of the posts, by the same 10 people, did nothing but complain about the rules, the scrolls, the imbalance, the lack of points values, how much better KOW is, etc., ad nauseum. Saying it once or twice in a thread, ok, but every 3rd post? Come on. And how about actually playing the game? Most of the criticism was 'pre-release', so its not like anyone actually played before criticising based solely on "its GW".

I have played AoS, doing nothing more than showing up at my friend's house with a box of Brets, he had already picked some Orcs, including a giant, and the game went great. Easy play, quick to check rules (all 4 pages of them), tactical decisions across the board. We're planning to play more often, and develop a campaign.

So yeah, some people might actually like it having played it, without being 'fanboys'.

What's with this "10 people", I see lot of new names coming and bashing it which warms my heart btw. I also talked with quite a few nerds live and on the phone making my last orders also on the net and I have yet to meet a single person that was not already into GW, excited for Age of Sad. The two most popular reactions btw are "why blow that world" and "that's embarassing" about the rules. Anegdotal ofc but kind of fits with the comments section here and there lol.

GW went bonkers with tbis release, noone tells you that you cant enjoy but if you're expecting the critique to stop, well I predict 10 years after GW bites the dust it might get calmer heh.


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 Motograter wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Why is it okay for people to say positive things about the game but when people say negative things it's just 'whining and complaining'? Some people might actually dislike it, without being 'whiners'.

Namely because they say it every other post. Yeah you dont like it we know. Move along and let the folks that do enjoy it actually enjoy it instead of posting crap about it when you dont need to

Yeah you like it we know. Move along and let people vent and stop promoting a crap company when you don't need to.

Works both ways as you see. Also unless someone is breaking a rule, he/she can bash sth as much as damn well pleases. Freedom babe.

Thank god for the ignore button

 Xyxox wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

Spoiler:

From Adeptus Astartes on Facebook



and what looks like the beginning of the end for some older stuff

The Skink Priest is still available on the US site. I imagine availability via eBay will be possible too. I've noticed pricing is kind of weird now, some things way over priced as if they were genuine 40K Praetorian Guard while the same item is dirt cheap from somebody else. With some shopping, though, most things can be had for a good deal still.

Aren't those models quite old?

What is good about it?

Its looking pretty insane, and not much more then someone's private project run amuck.

 Grot 6 wrote:
What is good about it?

Its looking pretty insane, and not much more then someone's private project run amuck.

The models are very well detailed.

That's about all the good I can say about it.

Yet ANOTHER RULE #1 reminder in this thread.

OK everyone?

I hope The Lord Celestant of that Blue and Gold Eternal Stormhost is named Sigmarneus Calgar.

It might be a great idea to go further with this and put every negative poster in this thread on ignore. Imagine that beautiful world where grass is green and Age of Sorrow is well received, just a few clicks away from you.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
From Adeptus Astartes on Facebook

This White Dwarfs tagline needs a Tobias Funke image saying "out of context".

 prowla wrote:


I'm a bit disappointed with the whole aeon/whatnot that has passed since the destruction of the Old World. They could have made it so that the AoS occurs pretty much immediately after the End Times, picking up the remains of the races that have somehow escaped the destruction, and having the remnants of the OW as one of the worlds they fight upon.

And if it's like 1000 years after the OW, does it make AoS = WH1k?

They need the time for the redesign to make sense. If all the factions are supposed to look unique and IP protectable (whatever they think works) and not just like some grimdark variation of traditional fantasy themes (like they did until now) then that gives all their armies a reason to look different from the oldhammer armies. While you get to use your old armies with the existing free rules then new variations probably won't have units that map 1:1 onto all the old stuff you already have. That way they get to sell you new elves with a distinct aesthetic, name, and rules while still telling you that your old army is viable although not really supported with new releases.

Saint know if up...

 Haight wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
From Adeptus Astartes on Facebook

This White Dwarfs tagline needs a Tobias Funke image saying "out of context".

I mean he is just going to scrub that thing until it is spotless.

I picked up WD76 yesterday -- It has some really nice photography in it.

My thoughts are that the Sigmarite box is awesome, but the Lord Celestant is not my cup of tea. I don't like the shredded warcloak thing, and why on earth would anyone have a sword in one hand and a Warhammer in the other?

The pike guy on WD77 looks way cooler, IMO. And I like the model beside him.

There is a really cool painting of Azyrheim, the Sigmarite capitol city in WD76. The Dice Shaker and 3" Measuring Tool are... strange.

Random thought:

Two Lord-Celestants, or Two Lords-Celestant?

 Talys wrote:
I picked up WD76 yesterday -- It has some really nice photography in it.

My thoughts are that the Sigmarite box is awesome, but the Lord Celestant is not my cup of tea. I don't like the shredded warcloak thing, and why on earth would anyone have a sword in one hand and a Warhammer in the other?

The pike guy on WD77 looks way cooler, IMO. And I like the model beside him.

There is a really cool painting of Azyrheim, the Sigmarite capitol city in WD76. The Dice Shaker and 3" Measuring Tool are... strange.

Random thought:

Two Lord-Celestants, or Two Lords-Celestant?

Two LordS-Celestant.

In much the same way that multiples of an Attorney General is called: Two Attorneys-General ...(and not Two Attorney-Generals)

The LORD is the Rank, and Celestant is the honorific.


- This has been a friendly tip from your local language police.

Don't scour Slaanesh's taint, he/she likes it.

 Alex C wrote:
Don't scour Slaanesh's taint, he/she likes it.

You've ruined the cover of that WD in the best possible way.

Demandread wrote:
I hope The Lord Celestant of that Blue and Gold Eternal Stormhost is named Sigmarneus Calgar.

Best Sigmarine joke yet!

Not the Skink Priest! Anything but the skink Priest!

That's a fine looking Librarian on the cover.

RacerX wrote:

Two LordS-Celestant.

In much the same way that multiples of an Attorney General is called: Two Attorneys-General ...(and not Two Attorney-Generals)

The LORD is the Rank, and Celestant is the honorific.


- This has been a friendly tip from your local language police.

Indeed Another good one (being Canadian) is Governors-General (the Queen's representative). I'll bet that most people say, Lord-Celestants though! (in the same way people say "Governor-Generals don't do squat!")

 ImAGeek wrote:
Why is it okay for people to say positive things about the game but when people say negative things it's just 'whining and complaining'? Some people might actually dislike it, without being 'whiners'.

I'd have to say it boils down to repetition and content. If someone says the same thing many times, and with little to add to the conversation, there's a much better chance people will see it as whining

And in the same way, if someone is just mindlessly saying "this is awesome" and not telling why it is, it can also be annoying.

There are a few people who also seem only be in the thread so they can continually piss all over the game. That gets old after awhile.

Mikhaila said it well and politely

Couldn't find the link for the white dwarf leak anymore but in the last picture it says" where has the dark prince gone" so Slaneesh is at least missing?

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Couldn't find the link for the white dwarf leak anymore but in the last picture it says" where has the dark prince gone" so Slaneesh is at least missing?

Or they've misplaced Kirby.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Couldn't find the link for the white dwarf leak anymore but in the last picture it says" where has the dark prince gone" so Slaneesh is at least missing?

Answer: Hiding in plain site.

"Once upon a time Sigmar came upon a maiden of supreme beauty and innocence being despoiled by a foul band of the followers of chaos. Slaying the minions of darkness, he reached forth his hand to aid her, but she recoiled from him. "No milord, i am not fit to touch you, let alone to look upon you! I am tainted by their foulness and shall never know the light again". So moved was Simar for her that he smiled gently and waited until finally she allowed him to carry him home to his realm. There, she slowly healed in body, and even more slowly in soul. But eventually she smiled again, and found happiness tending Sigmar's gardens, and helping to heal the injured warriors who fought endlessly in Sigmars name. She seemed to gather in Simars light, growing more beautiful, and many a warrior secretly loved her with all his heart, and would do anything she asked. But there was one, who noticed that at times it seemed almost that in the light of Sigmar, the lady cast two shadows. But he keeps his thoughts to himself...for now."

 mikhaila wrote:
Answer: Hiding in plain site.

That's a very interesting idea and drives me crazy trying to figure out the long con.

What's there to figure out? Slaanesh has the hots for Sigmar, it's clear as day.

Does the new Slaanesh have a "damaged" tattoo?

BobtheInquisitor wrote:Preston Jon, that was brilliant. Specifically, "Sigmarillion".

It's a good thing Sigmaron is volcanically stable. I'd hate to see everyone sprayed with hot Smigma..

BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
And at least Alexander's army wasn't armed with Alexandrite weapons forged at the Alexandrabulum while they were scouring the world looking for buried Alexandrium.

Stop it before you accidentally write a sequel to the Da Vinci Code.

Is it possible Sigmar has a vocabulary disability? Imagine if Hodor were a god who had to name an entire new world's worth of people, places and things.

This one time Bobtheinquisitor made me spew coffee two times in one page. Both exalted sir!

At first, I would have said people were just being sassy to say 'Sig Marines', they do look similar but different enough. Now I see they used the same asset, put a bow in its hands. Why does an archer need heavy armor? I could look past that, but not copy/paste armor. Armor could have been bit more sleek.

The chaos models got a unique look between most of them, why are the Sig guys all the same.

Want to see Tzeentch models so bad.

SIGMARILLION.

To be fair, it's been a sickness of GW naming conventions. Murderfang with his Muredclaws. I bet he even calls his mother "Murder".

How many "Blood" things are there with Blood Angels?

So what is in the new big book? Since the rules are just 4 pages, is it all fluff?

 Lockark wrote:
So what is in the new big book? Since the rules are just 4 pages, is it all fluff?

Maybe it's page after page of "All Sigmar and no Sigmar make Sigmar a Sigmar."

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Lockark wrote:
So what is in the new big book? Since the rules are just 4 pages, is it all fluff?

Maybe it's page after page of "All Sigmar and no Sigmar make Sigmar a Sigmar."

You sir, are on a roll! So funny!

The big book is filled with art, scenarios, a heartening tale of the sundering of the Old World, and the subtle but unalterable build up of Sigmar's reveal as a true Primarch.

It also has a behind-the-scenes section that takes us step by painfilled step through Games Workshop's completely uninfluenced-by-outside-sources development of Age of Sigmar. We read of Angels, dreams, and visions imparted to GW staffers and of the sweated furrowing of brows in their Sigmarian struggle to reach into the void - after having created it - and pulling originality from nothingness.

I don't really see the problem with all the Sigmar-stuff.
I've named three of my body parts after myself and I'm a minor deity at best.

Looking forward to seeing what comes after they've worked through the expansions on the core box contents.

 Dentry wrote:
The big book is filled with art, scenarios, a heartening tale of the sundering of the Old World, and the subtle but unalterable build up of Sigmar's reveal as a true Primarch.

It also has a behind-the-scenes section that takes us step by painfilled step through Games Workshop's completely uninfluenced-by-outside-sources development of Age of Sigmar. We read of Angels, dreams, and visions imparted to GW staffers and of the sweated furrowing of brows in their Sigmarian struggle to reach into the void - after having created it - and pulling originality from nothingness.

I get this weird feeling that Sigmar will end up being one of the two primarchs-of-whom-nothing-can-be-spoken. This would leave the other as a fallen primarch yet to be revealed in the AoS fluff.

 mikhaila wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Why is it okay for people to say positive things about the game but when people say negative things it's just 'whining and complaining'? Some people might actually dislike it, without being 'whiners'.

I'd have to say it boils down to repetition and content. If someone says the same thing many times, and with little to add to the conversation, there's a much better chance people will see it as whining

And in the same way, if someone is just mindlessly saying "this is awesome" and not telling why it is, it can also be annoying.

There are a few people who also seem only be in the thread so they can continually piss all over the game. That gets old after awhile.

If people don't want to be exposed to differing viewpoints, they can feel free to lock themselves in a room and turn off their computer. I don't particularly enjoy the folk in this thread who've been snidely delighting in the disappointment of others who enjoyed the previous game differently, but apparently pissing all over other people is cool beans, while pissing on an inanimate product is monstrous grognardery worthy of shaming.

 NAVARRO wrote:
WIth all these rebasing I was wondering that GW has not actually released any cavalry ovals correct?

You have to buy one box of Skitarii for every cavalry model you have ;-)

Yeah, I'm holding off rebasing cavalry just yet. They will look terrible on bike bases imo

 Yodhrin wrote:


If people don't want to be exposed to differing viewpoints, they can feel free to lock themselves in a room and turn off their computer. I don't particularly enjoy the folk in this thread who've been snidely delighting in the disappointment of others who enjoyed the previous game differently, but apparently pissing all over other people is cool beans, while pissing on an inanimate product is monstrous grognardery worthy of shaming.

Unfortunately, this thread isn't -about- the previous edition. It's supposed to be about AoS News, Rumors, at least according to the title. There's nothing 'news and rumors' about how badly someone hates the new game that they feel the need to post their opinion over and over again. There's an entire section devoted to WHFB where folks can take that chatter to. Like it or not, AoS is here. WHFB is a discontinued edition. No amount of resentment or finger-pointing on either side is going to change that.

Like Mik said, there's a handful of people who are -frequently- bashing on AoS in this thread, upping the noise ratio quite a bit. I've seen far more of that than anyone pissing in the cornflakes of the 'oldhammers' who enjoyed the previous editions. Hopefully at some point those people will get over it and move on.

When you try to look at it from the outside through an objective lens, GW is making a pretty big leap here - and to me, they should get props for that. The -could- have taken the easy way out: WHFB 9th edition! Change a paragraph here or there! Tidy up this spot! Make this section more confusing! Birth out a new BRB for $100, and start the army book cycle all over again! That would have been the -safe- bet for them, but 'safe' wasn't working. They decided to mix things up, and here we are. Yeah, the fluff is really weaksauce so far, and the rules have at least three enormous holes big enough to drive a herd of rat-ogres through. Everyone has different ideas what they -could- have done different/better. But what we got is what they've settled on, and it ain't gonna be changing anytime soon.

I don't know about you, but I am keeping my 8th ed book. If any of the WHFB folks I've met want to play - I will more than happily break out my books and play. But there -is- also fun to be had in AoS. So far, it's -just- interesting enough (despite itself) that there are many who enjoy it, too. Some people like the new figs, and it will be interesting to see in a few months just how much they 'catch on', if at all.

 mikhaila wrote:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Couldn't find the link for the white dwarf leak anymore but in the last picture it says" where has the dark prince gone" so Slaneesh is at least missing?

Answer: Hiding in plain site.

"Once upon a time Sigmar came upon a maiden of supreme beauty and innocence being despoiled by a foul band of the followers of chaos. Slaying the minions of darkness, he reached forth his hand to aid her, but she recoiled from him. "No milord, i am not fit to touch you, let alone to look upon you! I am tainted by their foulness and shall never know the light again". So moved was Simar for her that he smiled gently and waited until finally she allowed him to carry him home to his realm. There, she slowly healed in body, and even more slowly in soul. But eventually she smiled again, and found happiness tending Sigmar's gardens, and helping to heal the injured warriors who fought endlessly in Sigmars name. She seemed to gather in Simars light, growing more beautiful, and many a warrior secretly loved her with all his heart, and would do anything she asked. But there was one, who noticed that at times it seemed almost that in the light of Sigmar, the lady cast two shadows. But he keeps his thoughts to himself...for now."

Were this that story from? =O