Merle is most certainly going to either be working for the prison, or just be in it. Either way, he is totally back. I dont see him not coming back, as they have tried to make you forget him since Darrel's crazy episode.
And Im going to assume the helicopter was from the prison?
Merle is most certainly going to either be working for the prison, or just be in it. Either way, he is totally back. I dont see him not coming back, as they have tried to make you forget him since Darrel's crazy episode.
And Im going to assume the helicopter was from the prison?
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The comics had the Copter from some third area, with the Prison being "run" by inmates and zombies, and the Governer was in a town about a days journey away. Anyway, the copter crashes while Rick is at the prison, they go after it, and it crashes near the Governer's settlement, causing the to groups to clash multiple times.
Waiting for the next season is goiung to be difficult lol. At least there will probably be Mythbusters to watch between now and then. Also looking forward to season 2 of Hell on Wheels.
Wow really? You liked Hell on Wheels? AND they are making a 2nd season? Yikes on all accounts. I tried liking that show, I really did, I even did a series record and watched it on my own time (to further try and enjoy it) but I just couldnt. It was so dull, and boring and then something would happen! But then it either didnt really make sense, or it led to more boring. I hated that show, which sucks, because Im a fan of westerns (good ones that is)
KingCracker wrote:Wow really? You liked Hell on Wheels? AND they are making a 2nd season? Yikes on all accounts. I tried liking that show, I really did, I even did a series record and watched it on my own time (to further try and enjoy it) but I just couldnt. It was so dull, and boring and then something would happen! But then it either didnt really make sense, or it led to more boring. I hated that show, which sucks, because Im a fan of westerns (good ones that is)
I thought the first half of the season was quite dull, but it actually got pretty awesome in the latter half, and left off with a pretty cool cliffhanger. But yes they are making a second season.
I loved the first season of Spartacus. The 2nd.....mini series was just complete ass, in both ways you could mean it. It was no real sotry, and then just filled with sex everywhere. It made it a bit uncomfortable when watching with someone else. The current season is back to being good. So Im happy
And Im a season behind on Dexter, as we have to wait for DVD to watch it. As much as I love Dexter, it would be the only reason to get HBO, and Im not wasting my money on HBO
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I love Dexter too but the last season was a little weird. It's time fo rthe show to end imo. I don't know how they're going to continue after that last season.
I think they should of ended it after Rita died. He should of been too wrapped up in the whole thing, and either made mistakes and was caught, to THEN be "used" by the FBI and such to help track killers. OR, should of just given it all up.
I think they should of ended it after Rita died. He should of been too wrapped up in the whole thing, and either made mistakes and was caught, to THEN be "used" by the FBI and such to help track killers. OR, should of just given it all up.
I agree, but the season after that wasn't bad. The season after that one though: get's kinda weird....you'll see what I mean
Aww man. This is why I hate it when GOOD shows, go on for to long. They take a good show, and it ends up ruining it because they just keep on trucking, even WAY after it makes any sense
If you guys like The Walking Dead and you like video games try The Walking Dead the video game. It does a pretty good job of capturing the feel of the comic and show. Human drama and decision making over other zombie games that are mainly mowing down millions of zombies.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:If you guys like The Walking Dead and you like video games try The Walking Dead the video game. It does a pretty good job of capturing the feel of the comic and show. Human drama and decision making over other zombie games that are mainly mowing down millions of zombies.
I can second this. Nice little game with the promise of more to come. I actually felt some attachment to the people which is surprising given its middilish length
KamikazeCanuck wrote:If you guys like The Walking Dead and you like video games try The Walking Dead the video game. It does a pretty good job of capturing the feel of the comic and show. Human drama and decision making over other zombie games that are mainly mowing down millions of zombies.
I can second this. Nice little game with the promise of more to come. I actually felt some attachment to the people which is surprising given its middilish length
OK thanks for the recommendation, I saw it on the online store and was wondering about it. Might give it a try now.
Has the second season of the Walking Dead really not come onto TV yet in the UK? that has to be at least 6 months ago that it was on HBO?
AMC announced today The Walking Dead Season 3 Preview Weekend on Sat., Jul. 7 and Sun., Jul. 8 beginning at 11:30AM/10:30c each day. Airing just one week before Comic-Con, the two-day programming event will feature a marathon of all 19 episodes from the series' critically acclaimed first two seasons, culminating with a Talking Dead live primetime special on Sun., Jul. 8 at 9/8c. The one-time-only airing of Talking Dead, hosted by Chris Hardwick (Nerdist), will be followed by a never-before-seen black and white version of The Walking Dead pilot episode at 10/9c. The special version of the series' first episode was created specifically for fans of The Walking Dead, as it holds true to the original black and white comic book, written by Robert Kirkman.
TWD is back! And they got right into it with the season 3 premiere I'd say. I enjoyed the first episode. I could watch room to room zombie fighting all night long.
Felt like it really kept the mometum of last season's finale going. The zombie that had a gas mask and then when he took off the gas mask it like also took off his face......gross....but awesome.
Also I've never considered the feasibility of fire poker for zombie combat but I must say that's a pretty good idea.
I liked it, but from the point where they showed that they can safely and easily stab zombies in the head through a chainlink fence, I really started wondering why they didn't do it all the time?
Like they all went in hand to hand combat before they got inside, instead of yelling something like "Hey you dumb zombies, come over here so we can stab you through the fence again and make it easy."
For dramatic action scenes if the unfortunate but logical answer. (In the comic they did just what you're saying). Regardless, you'd probably still have to go hand-to-hand indoors.
Good episode. However the amount of commercials was incredibly distracting. TWD has always had it's fair share of ads, but this was the first time I really noticed how badly it was interrupting the story. Bad form AMC.
yeah unless I have some random channel on in the background while I paint, I never watch normal network tv anymore. I record and then watch it an hour or so later so I can fast forward through the commercials. I actually used to not mind it so much, my girlfriend got my hooked on DVRing.
As for the fence thing I thought it made sense. To create some defensive depth and a truly secure location they needed to do it before dark. There were an unknown number of zombies in the prison and the more noise they made the more would pour into the yard. You can only reach so many zombies from the fence once you start to pile them up and you could easily break or lose your tool if it gets stuck in a skull (in fact, I think they should have shown this happening to help people realize how unrealistic just standing behind a fence forever would be. they did in the comic).
So to get everything cleared out and secure the yard they had to go in. Same rules apply when they moved farther into the prison. Secure and area, move into the next, always have a fall back. Though they managed to botch that up in the end
@Necros
Same goes for me when it comes to DVR. We try and give it 30 minutes for shows we're nuts about just to cover the 10-15 minutes of commercials.
I thought the opener was 'pretty good' but one thing really nagged at me. They're experienced zombie killers at this point - They know how they act and how to deal with them. That said:
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When they go into the bowels of the prison and see completely eaten corpses all over the place CLEARLY there is a massive herd around. I know they were looking for medical supplies/food but they should have been MUCH more careful. Lure them out kill them at a choke point.. don't wonder into a bazillion of them.. fricking stupid.
Worms4u wrote: I thought the opener was 'pretty good' but one thing really nagged at me. They're experienced zombie killers at this point - They know how they act and how to deal with them. That said:
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When they go into the bowels of the prison and see completely eaten corpses all over the place CLEARLY there is a massive herd around. I know they were looking for medical supplies/food but they should have been MUCH more careful. Lure them out kill them at a choke point.. don't wonder into a bazillion of them.. fricking stupid.
Bleh
Worms
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idk, a lot of the hand to hand fighting was at the gates. Also, They're not really "experienced zombie killers" they've been essentially running away from the giant herds that have formed. They're expert survivalists and are really good at getting out of bad situations
@hulksmash it's true there was tons of zombies around the prison but they were already inside the gap between the double fence. I guess this is a confident group of zombie slayers and clearing a yard is no big deal.
My thought is in that in between area is that they wouldn't have anywhere to go if something happened. Taking the yard gave them defensive depth and options. Just my view on it.
Overall I really enjoyed the season opener, based on what I've seen thusfar I'm predicting good things for the season.
Given the differences between the series and the books I have to admit that I'm quite interested in seeing how things play out.
The older guy whose name currently escapes me getting bit while stepping over the corpse about a mile away. Unless you killed it, stay out of arms reach. We learned that in Dead Space.
I also noted the number of commercials, especially at the end, was making me lose interest. there were so many I started doing something else, and I was greatly anticipating the show.
I guess they needed to stretch it out so they could take more jabs at Dish...
I also noted the number of commercials, especially at the end, was making me lose interest. there were so many I started doing something else, and I was greatly anticipating the show.
I guess they needed to stretch it out so they could take more jabs at Dish...
Thank you! Glad I'm not the only one who watches this without a DVR. My complaint even if you skip the commercials is that you're still getting jipped out of a good 7 extra minutes of show with all of the extra breaks being taken during that episode.
Also I find it more than a little stupid that they're telling Dish customers, who aren't watching the show, that they can't watch the show that they are already not watching, because Dish won't give them the channel that they aren't watching so they can't watch the commercials during the show that they can't see. Sorry.
Am I alone in thinking that the scene from the last episode of The Walking Dead where Maggie stabs the SWAT walker's throat and then turns and does that little laugh/smile like, "did you see that?" is one of the hottest scenes in television history?
Byte wrote: Rick planting his machete in the long hair prisoners head was epic.
OMG, I was shocked!
It's always fun because Lori's personality changes every episode. One day she feels too much guilt to even talk to Rick, the next day she's back to nagging on his decisions... I wonder who she'll be next week...
JohnnoM wrote: Also, I kinda found Herschel's wailing funny, is that bad?
Well... wouldn't you if you had your meaty calf munched off?
And here's the funny thing about Zombies... a normal HEALTHY humie would have a hard time of actually biting AND TEARING off the flesh.... let alone a decomposing animated humie.... alas Hollywood...
JohnnoM wrote: Also, I kinda found Herschel's wailing funny, is that bad?
Well... wouldn't you if you had your meaty calf munched off?
And here's the funny thing about Zombies... a normal HEALTHY humie would have a hard time of actually biting AND TEARING off the flesh.... let alone a decomposing animated humie.... alas Hollywood...
I understand you would wail, (though I would probably yell and swear, not moan/wail) But the noise he was making I thought sounded funny.
JohnnoM wrote: Also, I kinda found Herschel's wailing funny, is that bad?
Well... wouldn't you if you had your meaty calf munched off?
And here's the funny thing about Zombies... a normal HEALTHY humie would have a hard time of actually biting AND TEARING off the flesh.... let alone a decomposing animated humie.... alas Hollywood...
I understand you would wail, (though I would probably yell and swear, not moan/wail) But the noise he was making I thought sounded funny.
JohnnoM wrote: Also, I kinda found Herschel's wailing funny, is that bad?
Well... wouldn't you if you had your meaty calf munched off?
And here's the funny thing about Zombies... a normal HEALTHY humie would have a hard time of actually biting AND TEARING off the flesh.... let alone a decomposing animated humie.... alas Hollywood...
I understand you would wail, (though I would probably yell and swear, not moan/wail) But the noise he was making I thought sounded funny.
I'm downloading Ep 2 now, is it good too?
YEAH... actually kinda of a wicked evolution... you'll see.
Automatically Appended Next Post: After seeing that episode... help me out with something... I think I missed something:
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At the end, Rick and Lori were talking... why does Rick seem mad at Lori? Is he still mad about her infidelity? Confused with that interaction....
Ya, I don't know what's up with that. At the end of season two it was Lori who was pissed off at Rick. Now it flipped with no explanation and Rick is always pissed at Lori.
maybe the webisodes would help? Im pretty sure there are some ones about the "winter in between seasons 2 and 3. I have them somewhere, but haven't watched them.
Necros wrote: I thought rick was just pissy that she smooched Hershell back to life, cuz he could have been a zombie at the time.
I don't know about that...
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There was a part earlier where Lori was telling Rick "to do what he think is best to protect the group" and that she said if he had to kill them, she knows there's "no malice in his heart" thing... Maybe he's wigging out a bit that he coldly killed those two prisoners...
Necros wrote: I thought rick was just pissy that she smooched Hershell back to life, cuz he could have been a zombie at the time.
I don't know about that...
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There was a part earlier where Lori was telling Rick "to do what he think is best to protect the group" and that she said if he had to kill them, she knows there's "no malice in his heart" thing... Maybe he's wigging out a bit that he coldly killed those two prisoners...
Think whembly is on the right track here...
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Those who've read the series of books will be familar with how Rick basicaly goes from being a pretty nice guy to struggling with his conscience over the things he has to do to ensure the groups survival.
Seems that the show is attempting to convey that inner struggle.
As an aside, it appears that old Hershell will be filling not only his own role, but that of Dale ( frrom the books) in the show...should be interesting.
Loved last night's episode, Rick is slumming it up man. Killing prisoners, granted I probably would to if one of the guys BLATANTLY pushed a zombie on top of me.
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Did big time get bit? It looked like he was clawed in the back by forearm bone or two
Also, Dish Networks and AMC came to some form of understanding, so I get my Breaking Bad AND Walking Dead back
Alfndrate wrote: Loved last night's episode, Rick is slumming it up man. Killing prisoners, granted I probably would to if one of the guys BLATANTLY pushed a zombie on top of me.
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Did big time get bit? It looked like he was clawed in the back by forearm bone or two
Also, Dish Networks and AMC came to some form of understanding, so I get my Breaking Bad AND Walking Dead back
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Looked like he just got clawed, but by a bloody broken bone were the walker broke his hand off getting the handcuffs off himself.
I liked this episode. To be fair, All of
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Hershel's scenes were spent with my thinking "What the hell? tie him up some more." or "Bitch gonna get bit. Get the feth off of him."
Also,
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I was hoping deep down with Tomas dead, the other two prisoners would get a chance to join the main group.
Rick & Lori: Rick's probably done the math. And he's pretty sure the kid isn't his. That's gonna piss a dude off. Secondly, after he had time to think, probably came to the conclusion that Lori is at least partially to blame for Shane going nuts. So in a way, she's partially (or more...) responsible for killing his best friend. Lastly he's probably just tired of her whiney butt. If all the people watching the show are tired of her how to do you think the people living with her would feel
Rick in general: He's a bad mother. It started with gunning down those dudes in the bar and continued through to his speech at the end of season two and seems to have solidified over the "winter". He's cold, calculating, and likely to do what's needed to protect the group. At the same time he's still got enough of a soul left to be willing to give people the benefit of the doubt. And those prisoners needed killing....
Herschel: They haven't pointed it out in the episodes yet but this dude would be absolutely essential to creating some kind of sustainable community. Farming is hard and first hand experience at crop farming would be essential, not counting his medical expertise.
Carl: Kid is pretty much all grown up. And probably one of the deadlier people in the group now. Not necessarily in regards to other humans (though I doubt he'd hesitate) but in regards to the environment. And he seems to listen and respect his place now. The one time he's done something without being ordered to was to retrieve medical gear which while it could be reckless was also needed. I'm liking him not being a plot device anymore.
I find it funny we're going to have two things that slow/endanger the group if they have to move again. The baby, when it comes, and one legged Herschel mean the group isn't as fast as it used to be.
I'm stoked Merl is back. I'm interested in seeing how his time away has changed him. And interested in seeing how he develops in relation to the govenor.
Overall the move to a sound stage seems to have freed up some funds considering the number of people and scope being added this season. Add in the solid show runner that gave us the second half of season two and hopefully the studio not swiping their money for madmen and we've got a heck of a show over the next season. And that doesn't take into account the extra episodes that were ordered this season.
I was definately surprised the way Rick executed that prisnor. Just straight up chopped his head open.
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In the comic, he tried to make it look like an accident.
I thought it was unneccesary to chase down that other guy and make sure he gets eaten by Zombies. I know killing people is supposed to make you cool but it just feels like Kirkman has confused the Rick of the current comic with the Rick of back where the show is now. I just don't see why Rick is a stone cold killer now. It just makes him seems like a bad guy.
With Meryl being reintroduced, I can definitely see rick actually seeing his hand cut off once they make some serious contact with the Mayor, just as revenge.
KamikazeCanuck wrote: I was definately surprised the way Rick executed that prisnor. Just straight up chopped his head open.
Spoiler:
In the comic, he tried to make it look like an accident.
I thought it was unneccesary to chase down that other guy and make sure he gets eaten by Zombies. I know killing people is supposed to make you cool but it just feels like Kirkman has confused the Rick of the current comic with the Rick of back where the show is now. I just don't see why Rick is a stone cold killer now. It just makes him seems like a bad guy.
I don't think it makes Rick seem like a bad guy. That dude is an active threat. He's already proved it. Rick has to make sure he's not an active threat to his group. I'd point out that Rick in the show, since the second half of season 2, is much deadlier and more cold blooded than Rick of the comics was. It started when he was forced in the show to shoot little zombie sophie. Nothing along those lines happened to Rick early in the comics. It took until the comic issues with the prisoners to really turn him into the same Rick we're seeing in the show right now.
To me it doesn't make him a bad guy. It makes him a survivor. Something they've spent the better part of 2-4 months doing on the road by themselves. Group first.
With Meryl being reintroduced, I can definitely see rick actually seeing his hand cut off once they make some serious contact with the Mayor, just as revenge.
I wonder. Could be too expensive CGI-wise.
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Hulksmash wrote: I don't think it makes Rick seem like a bad guy. That dude is an active threat. He's already proved it. Rick has to make sure he's not an active threat to his group. I'd point out that Rick in the show, since the second half of season 2, is much deadlier and more cold blooded than Rick of the comics was. It started when he was forced in the show to shoot little zombie sophie. Nothing along those lines happened to Rick early in the comics. It took until the comic issues with the prisoners to really turn him into the same Rick we're seeing in the show right now.
To me it doesn't make him a bad guy. It makes him a survivor. Something they've spent the better part of 2-4 months doing on the road by themselves. Group first.
That dude wasn't an active threat. Don't get me wrong, I totally understand killing the guy he killed with a machette that guy was a threat. I'm not convinced on the other guy.
I agree with what your saying about Rick being more cold-blooded in this timeline than the comic one but I just don't see why. We know why in the comic. He encounters the govenor and very, very bad things happen to him and others. That changes him completely and he becomes a merciless killer. It's understandable, considering what happened. In the show the turn has happened earlier and I'm not really sure why. I don't think it's justified at this point and so I feel it makes Rick seem like a villian.
Let's recap the differences between the comics and the show to this point regarding Rick and tell me it doesn't make sense for him to be harder
-Had to kill his best friend (him, not his son)
-Had his wife cheat on him (in the comics it was implied that lori hadn't cheated on him, at least, that was the impression I got)
-Saw people die from his mistakes (something that didn't really happen in the comics for quite some time)
-Had to put a bullet into the rotting head of a little girl he was responsible for (since he left her at the river)
-Found out there is no answer and that everyone is infected much earlier (CDC)
-Dealt with...undesirable....people like Merl and the fellas from town.
-Had people question his leadership a lot more.
Overall he's a lot farther along in the series than the comics. He also had Shane around a lot longer to digest what he might be dealing with in the new world. Which I think also adds a significant stretch. He's seen first hand what this world can do much, much earlier. I feel everyone is farther along in the show than the comics. The show is darker and to me slightly more "real" in how things would likely go. And it's a good thing. They always seemed to work to well together in the comics.
Hulksmash wrote: Let's recap the differences between the comics and the show to this point regarding Rick and tell me it doesn't make sense for him to be harder
-Had to kill his best friend (him, not his son)
-Had his wife cheat on him (in the comics it was implied that lori hadn't cheated on him, at least, that was the impression I got)
-Saw people die from his mistakes (something that didn't really happen in the comics for quite some time)
-Had to put a bullet into the rotting head of a little girl he was responsible for (since he left her at the river)
-Found out there is no answer and that everyone is infected much earlier (CDC)
-Dealt with...undesirable....people like Merl and the fellas from town.
-Had people question his leadership a lot more.
Overall he's a lot farther along in the series than the comics. He also had Shane around a lot longer to digest what he might be dealing with in the new world. Which I think also adds a significant stretch. He's seen first hand what this world can do much, much earlier. I feel everyone is farther along in the show than the comics. The show is darker and to me slightly more "real" in how things would likely go. And it's a good thing. They always seemed to work to well together in the comics.
-Yes, but actually having his son kill a man in front of him is worse.
-Lori definately cheated on him and he knew it.
-Zombie is a Zombie. I don't see why this would increase his inhumanity towards living people.
-Comic is much worse. In show some scientist guy just tells him. In comic, prisnor decapitates two little girls he's responsible for. This is another big contributor too Rick going "Hardcore-don't-trust-anyone-Rick"
-The guys he kills in the bar was the beggining of the TV turn and once again seemed uncharacteristic. That was even pre-shane kill. Why has he already lost all faith in humanity at this point?
-Yes, but he's a killer now to out-badass Shane? I'd argue that makes him a bad guy again.
He's further along for sure. Just not sure he should be.
It's too bad that Shane had to die. If he hadn't been so mixed up with Lori, and gone bat-shiz crazy about being the Alpha, I think he and new-Rick would've got on pretty sucessfully.
Lint wrote: It's too bad that Shane had to die. If he hadn't been so mixed up with Lori, and gone bat-shiz crazy about being the Alpha, I think he and new-Rick would've got on pretty sucessfully.
That is ironic isn't it? He's basically New-Shane now.
Lint wrote: It's too bad that Shane had to die. If he hadn't been so mixed up with Lori, and gone bat-shiz crazy about being the Alpha, I think he and new-Rick would've got on pretty sucessfully.
That is ironic isn't it? He's basically New-Shane now.
Yeah... I hated every second of Shane.
I'm beginning to hate Rick. Long live Glenn and Maggie!
See I see the difference between Rick and Shane pretty starkly. Shane, when all is said and done, was about himself. It was what he wanted. In a bind it was Shane first (as evident by him capping Otis to escape).
With Rick it's transformed into the group first. They are his stability in this world. Tell me you'd be human enough after 10 months in this world seeing what you're seeing to try to give convicts the benefit of the doubt. Rick still did. Was he merciless when that trust was betrayed? Yep, but you can't hesitate in this world.
Oh, and KamikazeCanuck we're going to have to agree to disagree. The evolution of Rick has actually made sense to me. He tried to long to hang on to morals that don't work in the post-apoc world. And his shooting of the dudes in the bar made perfect sense. While one guy was a "smooth" talker the other wasn't. They tried to hard to find out about his place and hinted at not so nice acts. I'd argue that he was to soft for to long. Not that he got hard to fast.
I lked the TV shane - I would have been interested to see how different from the comic the story would be it would have been if Rick had died instead. Its pretty different already to be fair.
Carl is good - still waitiing for Andrea to become what she is in the comics and not looking forward to seeing what happens if she is going to meet the Govenor
Hulksmash wrote: See I see the difference between Rick and Shane pretty starkly. Shane, when all is said and done, was about himself. It was what he wanted. In a bind it was Shane first (as evident by him capping Otis to escape).
With Rick it's transformed into the group first. They are his stability in this world. Tell me you'd be human enough after 10 months in this world seeing what you're seeing to try to give convicts the benefit of the doubt. Rick still did. Was he merciless when that trust was betrayed? Yep, but you can't hesitate in this world.
Oh, and KamikazeCanuck we're going to have to agree to disagree. The evolution of Rick has actually made sense to me. He tried to long to hang on to morals that don't work in the post-apoc world. And his shooting of the dudes in the bar made perfect sense. While one guy was a "smooth" talker the other wasn't. They tried to hard to find out about his place and hinted at not so nice acts. I'd argue that he was to soft for to long. Not that he got hard to fast.
Ya, that's fine. Just Rick's transformation seems a little forced or hurried to me. The theme of the show and comic is "fight the dead, fear the living". In a zombie apocalypse it's the living that turn out to be the real monsters. Comic-Rick has had terrible things happen to him from people. Show-Rick dealt with a lot of crap but it's mostly Zombie related. He's been the one to shoot first and ask questions later.
Anyway, it's true that Rick is protective of the whole "gang" as opposed to Shane who was only protective of a few people he liked.
Hulksmash wrote: See I see the difference between Rick and Shane pretty starkly. Shane, when all is said and done, was about himself. It was what he wanted. In a bind it was Shane first (as evident by him capping Otis to escape).
With Rick it's transformed into the group first. They are his stability in this world. Tell me you'd be human enough after 10 months in this world seeing what you're seeing to try to give convicts the benefit of the doubt. Rick still did. Was he merciless when that trust was betrayed? Yep, but you can't hesitate in this world.
Oh, and KamikazeCanuck we're going to have to agree to disagree. The evolution of Rick has actually made sense to me. He tried to long to hang on to morals that don't work in the post-apoc world. And his shooting of the dudes in the bar made perfect sense. While one guy was a "smooth" talker the other wasn't. They tried to hard to find out about his place and hinted at not so nice acts. I'd argue that he was to soft for to long. Not that he got hard to fast.
Ya, that's fine. Just Rick's transformation seems a little forced or hurried to me. The theme of the show and comic is "fight the dead, fear the living". In a zombie apocalypse it's the living that turn out to be the real monsters. Comic-Rick has had terrible things happen to him from people. Show-Rick dealt with a lot of crap but it's mostly Zombie related. He's been the one to shoot first and ask questions later.
Anyway, it's true that Rick is protective of the whole "gang" as opposed to Shane who was only protective of a few people he liked.
And it's all because the writers thought it was ok to just skip the winter, which I thought was an important part of the comic, despite being out of chronological order after the farm, but I really wouldn't have minded...
Ya, i was mildly surprised to see them skip a whole winter. Winter is an important time survival-wise but I guess they didn't think it would be interesting screen time. Mostly just people being cold and hungry. Though does it even get cold in Georgia?
Also the end of Season 2 made it seem like they were only like 20 km from the prison. They've only travelled 20km all winter?
KamikazeCanuck wrote: Ya, i was mildly surprised to see them skip a whole winter. Winter is an important time survival-wise but I guess they didn't think it would be interesting screen time. Mostly just people being cold and hungry. Though does it even get cold in Georgia?
Also the end of Season 2 made it seem like they were only like 20 km from the prison. They've only travelled 20km all winter?
During the winter (in the comic) a few zombies froze and became immobile, problems arose when the survivors tried to inhabit new buildings to find their occupants still moving, etc. I don't think it would have moved the plot forward any.
Regarding the prison being relatively close at the end of season two the writers explained that they've basically been going in a circle trying to find a way through during winter. Basically a gap in the "herds" is what allowed them to get to the prison.
As for the winter they may have gotten farther north in the comic before winter hit. In the show they were still in georgia. It doesn't exactly freeze in georgia in winter.
I'm glad they skipped the winter. We didn't need to watch the group meld under Rick and see all the birthing issues. Advancing the story a few months gave the writers some leeway in character development and saved us from watching more of what equated to the early part of season 2...
Andrea hasn't even rejoined the group. Looks like her and Michonne are going straight to govenor town. I wonder how Rick & Co will even find out about them.
KamikazeCanuck wrote: Andrea hasn't even rejoined the group. Looks like her and Michonne are going straight to govenor town. I wonder how Rick & Co will even find out about them.
Probably after they meet the governor themselves. Perhaps they'll do some daring raid on the town and recognize Andrea as they pillage.
Each season follows a completely linear path until the mid-season finale, then they preview a major twist. Then, once the show's back it follows a linear path until the season finale which introduces something kinda major but on the other hand could just be a cliff-hanger ending... Wow, it all makes so much sense now...
I'll admit they kind of got me with The Govenor. I thought maybe he won't be super-evil and Meryl will take his place of super-villany. But ya, looks like evil-govenor is percolating.
I wasn't too big of a fan with this episode... I mean I understand they have to give split time now because we've got 2 groups, but why not split an episode instead of splitting bits of the season.
Also, what was up with the heads in glass cases? This isn't futurama
Alfndrate wrote: I wasn't too big of a fan with this episode... I mean I understand they have to give split time now because we've got 2 groups, but why not split an episode instead of splitting bits of the season.
Also, what was up with the heads in glass cases? This isn't futurama
In the books the Governor keeps a mass of zombie heads in lighted glass tanks arranged against a wall and spends time sitting and watching them ( sort as if watching television)...perhaps it's his odd attempt at maintaining some air of normalicy, engaging in ( at least in a macabre fasion) an activity from "the past".
That's so creepy though... I also think he's a total prick, but when all hell breaks loose, what else is going to keep some semblance of control?
Though I do see some hints of Rick, doing what's best for the group at the exclusion of all others, protecting what's "his", etc... I realize that he's got far more issues than Rick, and that he is supposed to the villain, but probably is also supposed to show Rick what can happen when you lose that little bit of humanity that prevents you from being a colossal donkey-cave.
I liked how this episode turned out. I'm glad they went ahead and gave depth to the people that they are going to be going back and forth between. If they hadn't then every part of future episodes when they shift between groups people wouldn't care as much. Now there is more attachment to both stories.
That said I'm looking forward to seeing Rick and the gang next week.
I prefer that they dedicate an entire episode to one group rather than switch back and forth. Gives it a more focused/claustrophobic feel which is good for the horror genre.
I like how a group of cutthroats got the jump on a bunch of soldiers. Some how i don't think that would have been so easy IRL. Also why were the group of grunts sitting in the middle of open ground? It has no defensible positions. It's soldiers like them that makes us lose the zombpocalypse.
Deathshead420 wrote: I like how a group of cutthroats got the jump on a bunch of soldiers. Some how i don't think that would have been so easy IRL. Also why were the group of grunts sitting in the middle of open ground? It has no defensible positions. It's soldiers like them that makes us loose the zombpocalypse.
Yeah...that bothered me too...
Any squad worth their salt would know that their equipment would be desirable for looters...
I'd have defensive positions at all time... against the living AND the dead.
My biggest complaint was that the large open field contained grass that was barely high enough to hide the rag tag group of bandits laying down... Why did the soldiers not see them coming? They even had people up in a higher position. I understand they're national guard, but feth man... they should have more training than that...
I would think that after this long in the post zombie world that seeing a car speeding up the road with a white cloth hanging out of it would probably distract anyone. Basically the cutthroats (who, if Merl is anything to go by are probably better sneakers and killers than national guardsmen) cover the last of the ground while the soldiers are distracted by the Govenor.
One thing I'm worried about is they haven't established Michonne level of badassery yet. She hasn't done anything, I don't know why the audience would even care about her right now. Just being the strong and silent type isn't enough.
She has a giant sword and chops up zombies. She also dragged zombies around. She's pretty badass. I'm sure they'll make her plain crazy soon though. They didn't do much to establish her awesome in the comics till the govenor stuff in the comics either.
I seem to recall her being in more zombie fights at this point. Obviously she hasn't had much screen time so far so it's tough but that's why I think it would have been better to introduce her last year.
Deathshead420 wrote: I like how a group of cutthroats got the jump on a bunch of soldiers.
Some how i don't think that would have been so easy IRL. Also why were the group of grunts sitting in the middle of open ground? It has no defensible positions. It's soldiers like them that makes us lose the zombpocalypse.
That underlined was very predictable. As a lot of things in many of the episodes are. It did not have any sense of verisimilitude.
Other than being predictable it is a descent series, but it could be written better.
KamikazeCanuck wrote: It's easy to say you predicted everything after the episode has aired. Predict what'll happen in the next episode and we'll be impressed.
It is not that it is predictable before it is aired.
It is too predictable when it is happening.
For instance, remember when the Zombie was stuck in the well on the farm, and glen had to go put a noose around it to drag it up. They tied Glen into the rope harness and wrapped the rope around the well pump once, as soon as they did that I saw the complication they were going to have (The pump was going to give way).
As soon as Sophia was "Lost" I knew the writers threw in the complication of her being bitten and turned.
As soon as something happens I can usually predict the complication that will happen. The writing in The Walking Dead follows the classic episodic formula.
The element of predictability is somewhat diferent when you've read the series of books, not to say that DeathReaper doesn't have a point, they're certinly are situations and set ups that occur in the TV series that one can see coming from a mile away.
For example, when Hershell steps over the zombie in the Prison, I think everyone watching "knew" what was going to happen...but I was frankly surprised that the writers had opted to go that route with his character as it varies so drasticaly from his character in the books.( As I said before it seems he'll be playing dual roles taking Dales part as well).
Also the whole role Michone is playing as Andrea's baby sitter...new to me, and I'm interested in seeing exactly how the show's writers will handle the whole Woodbury/Prison situation.
Ya, Hershel getting bit and Sophia getting killed may seem a bit predictable to people watching the show but is actually surprising to the comic fans. It's like they are going out of their way to be unpredictable to the comic fans but the comic was unpredictable so it makes the show seem more predictable...
FITZZ wrote: The element of predictability is somewhat diferent when you've read the series of books, not to say that DeathReaper doesn't have a point, they're certinly are situations and set ups that occur in the TV series that one can see coming from a mile away.
For example, when Hershell steps over the zombie in the Prison, I think everyone watching "knew" what was going to happen...
Yea they totally gave it away before Herschel was bit.
He was walking down the hallway, and the wide shot on him showed a few dead people.
Then they cut to one of the dead people, and I said to myself, that is a zombie and Herschel is getting bit.
Then a few seconds later they show a wide shot of Herschel and he steps over the dead guy and it bites him...
And I think most people knew that the hispanic prisoner was going to die, I called that the instant they met.
It is better writing to have the complications appear more natural.
Sometimes the verisimilitude is just off.
But not a bad show, just a bit predictable (I have never read the comic books so it is entirely new to me).
I absolutely enjoyed last nights episode, honestly was the first time I've felt any sort of tension whille watching...well...anything, in a very long time.
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Somewhere in this thread ( I belive), I predicted that T-Dog ( along with Carol, Lori and maybe Daryl) would all be dying at some point in season 3, but I have to admit I was very surprised at Lori's death so early in the season ( expected her to last a bit longer).
After last nights episode it is even more apparent than ever that the series is taking quiet a far depature from the " established " story line in the comics, and I'm actualy quite excited in seeing what dirrection the writters go...
Perhaps I'm overly cynical, but I found it ironic that they introduced a new black member of the group (the prisoner) and killed off the only other black dude on the show.
Which black woman did they kill off before they introduced Michon? And one of the other main guards (who has had about as much screen time this season as T-dog did at the beginning of season 2 last year) is black. I'm going with overly cynical.
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I think it's a great departure from the comics. I get the feeling the prisoner black guy is going to fill in the football player from the comics and I didn't realize, even with names, that the squirelly prisoner was Axel the biker convict from the comics. As for the episode itself Carl is a tiny BOSS!. That kid is hardcore and is slowly morphing into one of my favorite characters. Merl and the Gov.'s staredown was pretty great. Personally I think Merl has developed a lot in his time away from the group. I think that there will be a break between Merl and the Gov and the crux is going to be based around Michone and Andrea with a bit of his brother thrown in.
I do wonder if we'll see the grief rampage we got out of the football guy last seaon after his daughter died from Rick this season. I also think that what happened was needed for Rick's development but I wouldn't be honest if I didn't say that this week they went 3/3 on my least favorite characters (if Carol is dead too) which I like. Overall, that was a pretty awesome and intense episode.
Lint wrote: Perhaps I'm overly cynical, but I found it ironic that they introduced a new black member of the group (the prisoner) and killed off the only other black dude on the show.
I was kind of thinking the same thing. Seems like there's a set number of cast members they can have or something. Just as two new people join the group two others die. I also noticed they new black guy seem to result in the automatic death of old black guy.
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Hulksmash wrote: Which black woman did they kill off before they introduced Michon? And one of the other main guards (who has had about as much screen time this season as T-dog did at the beginning of season 2 last year) is black. I'm going with overly cynical.
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I think it's a great departure from the comics. I get the feeling the prisoner black guy is going to fill in the football player from the comics and I didn't realize, even with names, that the squirelly prisoner was Axel the biker convict from the comics. As for the episode itself Carl is a tiny BOSS!. That kid is hardcore and is slowly morphing into one of my favorite characters. Merl and the Gov.'s staredown was pretty great. Personally I think Merl has developed a lot in his time away from the group. I think that there will be a break between Merl and the Gov and the crux is going to be based around Michone and Andrea with a bit of his brother thrown in.
I do wonder if we'll see the grief rampage we got out of the football guy last seaon after his daughter died from Rick this season. I also think that what happened was needed for Rick's development but I wouldn't be honest if I didn't say that this week they went 3/3 on my least favorite characters (if Carol is dead too) which I like. Overall, that was a pretty awesome and intense episode.
I think "football" player you're talking about is Tyreese who was awesome in the book although I don't remember him playing football. I always thought it was weird he wasn't in the show but it seems Daryl basically took his spot.
Sunday's episode surprised me like hell. I told my sister who just started watching that everyone is expendable except for Rick and family. Guess I lied to her.
its pretty good - and is lots different to the comic - which is good and bad - makes it harder to know whats happening all the time but then I don;t like some of the character changes - Andrea mainly.
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The Lori bit was well done as they had worked on making her less unlikeable...............
The Govenor I think is good and interested to see how it evolves - Andrea may be playing with fire depending on how close they go to his comic book character - at present he is less obviously insane.
However I do wonder if you need a dictator (sane or not) to survive in a post appocolpyse environment..............
Three words. Holy. gak. Balls. The Gov's little town is starting to remind me of Andale in Fallout 3. Rick's group bored me this week, up until the end. I wanted to see either more phone call or more of Andale. Love how Andrea is stuck in the town of looneys because she didn't listen to Michonne. Would put $20 down saying Andrea's head will join the fish tank by the end of the next episode.
Wth? Rick is psychotic lunatic and the Govenor is a perfect gentleman? Guess that backs up the theory they just want the show to be as different as possible from the comic.
KamikazeCanuck wrote: Wth? Rick is psychotic lunatic and the Govenor is a perfect gentleman? Guess that backs up the theory they just want the show to be as different as possible from the comic.
If you recall Rick got pretty psychotic in the books as well, the series ( thus far) just isn't delving as deep into the "inner workings" of Rick's mind (yet) and is showing more "surface level crazy"...but I bet you allready know who's going to be at the other end of that line when Rick picks up that phone.
As for how the Governor is being depicted, agreed it's a bit of a departure from the books, but it works for the series...more of a "slow build" rather than " Hi I run this town and Chop Chop Chop Bat Gak Crazy!!!" in the first few minutes of introduction.
His "crazy" is being gradually revealed and I'm certian that more and more elemeents of the "book Governor" will begin to manifest in the series.
I don't see them killing off Andrea.. without her, who cares about the guv'nor story? To me that whole storyline is like "This is what's happening to Andrea till she meets up with the group again". Having never read the comics, I pretty much knew he was gonna be bat-poo crazy anyway though.
I didn't think Lori would die though.. but did we ever see Carol die? why were there 3 graves? I thought I remembered her getting away, and then all they found was her scarf and just assumed she died, like they assumed that one prisoner died but really didn't?
Really enjoying this season overall. Got my GF hooked on it now too
Necros wrote: I don't see them killing off Andrea.. without her, who cares about the guv'nor story? To me that whole storyline is like "This is what's happening to Andrea till she meets up with the group again". Having never read the comics, I pretty much knew he was gonna be bat-poo crazy anyway though.
I didn't think Lori would die though.. but did we ever see Carol die? why were there 3 graves? I thought I remembered her getting away, and then all they found was her scarf and just assumed she died, like they assumed that one prisoner died but really didn't?
Really enjoying this season overall. Got my GF hooked on it now too
I agree that Andrea is more than likely "safe" for a while, and though it's a departure from the books I'm enjoying the whole storyline between her, Michonne and The Governor.
Truth be told, I actually like " TV series" Andrea much more than "comic book" Andrea, as the character is much more interesting in the show.
Lint wrote: Somebody mind spoiling for me and telling me who is on the phone? I have a suspicion that it's dead Lori and Rick is going bonkers. Am I right?
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In the comics it's Lori, after she dies at the prison (killed by the Governor's forces along with the baby in the books), Rick find a phone in an abandoned house on which he speaks to Lori for a while...so unless the show producers have changed things, the call should be from Lori.
Lint wrote: Somebody mind spoiling for me and telling me who is on the phone? I have a suspicion that it's dead Lori and Rick is going bonkers. Am I right?
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In the comics it's Lori, after she dies at the prison (killed by the Governor's forces along with the baby in the books), Rick find a phone in an abandoned house on which he speaks to Lori for a while...so unless the show producers have changed things, the call should be from Lori.
@FITZZ:
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In the comics, was it really Lori? Zombi-fied Lori? Or, was it Rick's psyche cracking there?
Lint wrote: Somebody mind spoiling for me and telling me who is on the phone? I have a suspicion that it's dead Lori and Rick is going bonkers. Am I right?
Spoiler:
In the comics it's Lori, after she dies at the prison (killed by the Governor's forces along with the baby in the books), Rick find a phone in an abandoned house on which he speaks to Lori for a while...so unless the show producers have changed things, the call should be from Lori.
@FITZZ:
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In the comics, was it really Lori? Zombi-fied Lori? Or, was it Rick's psyche cracking there?
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At first you don't know who it is (no voice to recognize in the comic), just some survivor trying to vet the group for a meet. Eventually you find out it's Lori's voice, the phone is not plugged in and Rick is going bonkers. He keeps the phone with him and continues to make call every once in a while. Carl catches him and berates him for needing such a stupid crutch. At this point though Carl is no voice of sanity either.
This season is really interesting to me. They change the story enough to keep me interested while still staying true to the source. I really did not see the show turning as dark as the comic, its TV after all, but when I saw the phone in the birth room I just thought, no way are they going to do that, just a tease for the comic readers.....and yet, this week the phone rang. Things are about the get very dark. They really do tease us comic readers, every time I saw Shane training Carl with the gun, I just felt this sense of forshadowing that was awsome.
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I'm still trying to figure out the Governor thing though. He is a much more rounded character than the one in the comics. Andrea is so key in that conflict in the future. I 'm on the fence with this Andrea, she seams very weak and is always attracted to who can protect her the most. So who knows what will happen.
I think they've made leaps and bounds with characters in this season as opposed to last, certainly holding my interest more. Michone is just plain awesome, even as fairly one-dimensional as she is. I hope she sticks around for a bit and gets some better character development.
Maelstrom808 wrote: I think they've made leaps and bounds with characters in this season as opposed to last, certainly holding my interest more. Michone is just plain awesome, even as fairly one-dimensional as she is. I hope she sticks around for a bit and gets some better character development.
Honestly, the more I see of Michone, the more I don't care about her. She acts like a badass just to be a badass, and she treats everyone like crap. While I agree the Governer is bad news, she is antagonistic towards everyone, and allows for no discussion. If they kill her off, I won't lose any sleep over it. I was VERY upset when T-Dawg died though, and was quite bummed when they really made it seem like Carol didn't get away, due to her missing for almost 2 full episodes. That surprises me, because I didn't like Carol very much at first, but I guess she grew on me. Of course, I don't think anyone was upset when Lori kicked the bucket. I actually have a bet with one of my friends though that Rick won't survive season 3, and that he's totally looney tunes now. I didn't think anyone in the main family would die off, but...apparently I was wrong. Rick is next up in my local death-pool. I got 5 bucks on him dying by the end of the season.
Andrew1975 wrote: Was this week pretty Meh for everybody? I thought maybe knowing too much from the comic was effecting me, but this episode just didn't do much.
I liked it better than last weeks and I felt it advance the story more. Last week was like a skipping CD.
The show keeps getting worse IMO. The production value is going down, the effects when it comes to firearms are just awful, no shells, no recoil, the pistol's slides don't even move and is it me or are they making it look way to easy to drive a knife into and out of a skull?
Having never read the books I'm really enjoying it.
Rick's descent into madness is interesting to see as well as how jaded Carl has became in such a short time.
And the Governor and his town is fascinating to me at the very least
FITZZ wrote: I agree that Andrea is more than likely "safe" for a while, and though it's a departure from the books I'm enjoying the whole storyline between her, Michonne and The Governor.
Truth be told, I actually like " TV series" Andrea much more than "comic book" Andrea, as the character is much more interesting in the show.
FITZZ wrote: I agree that Andrea is more than likely "safe" for a while, and though it's a departure from the books I'm enjoying the whole storyline between her, Michonne and The Governor.
Truth be told, I actually like " TV series" Andrea much more than "comic book" Andrea, as the character is much more interesting in the show.
She comes across as a bit of a slut.
She sleeps with one guy, and that makes her a slut? I hate to see what humping the whole town would make her.
I just got through all the back episodes (on video) and have gotten caught up after a friend at work convinced me to give this show a try. Psychologically & emotionally brutal show.
Gitsplitta wrote: I just got through all the back episodes (on video) and have gotten caught up after a friend at work convinced me to give this show a try. Psychologically & emotionally brutal show.
Thanks! It's funny but it's definitely one of those shows that my wife and I will NOT share. It's not the zombie brutality that I think she'd care about... it's the human brutality.. specifically when it involves the kids on the show, that would push her over the edge.
For myself... I can't help but think that if that poor boy survives... he's going to be a really screwed up human being. Probably very well adapted to his environment, but with a morality and logical process that wouldn't be recognizable as within the parameters of anything we'd consider "normal".
Gitsplitta wrote: Thanks! It's funny but it's definitely one of those shows that my wife and I will NOT share. It's not the zombie brutality that I think she'd care about... it's the human brutality.. specifically when it involves the kids on the show, that would push her over the edge.
For myself... I can't help but think that if that poor boy survives... he's going to be a really screwed up human being. Probably very well adapted to his environment, but with a morality and logical process that wouldn't be recognizable as within the parameters of anything we'd consider "normal".
The human element is want makes this show interesting...
Along the same vein as Dexter... do we or do not root for a serial killer?
Gitsplitta wrote: Thanks! It's funny but it's definitely one of those shows that my wife and I will NOT share. It's not the zombie brutality that I think she'd care about... it's the human brutality.. specifically when it involves the kids on the show, that would push her over the edge.
For myself... I can't help but think that if that poor boy survives... he's going to be a really screwed up human being. Probably very well adapted to his environment, but with a morality and logical process that wouldn't be recognizable as within the parameters of anything we'd consider "normal".
She may surprise you-give it a shot with her (if you haven't tried already). My sister isn't big on blood and brutality, hates anything horror, including ALL zombie movies, and she's addicted to the show. It never hurts to try, right?
And why should Carl be too upset? If rumors are true, he should be snuggling up to Maggie's sister soon. Every thirteen year old boys dream: getting an older woman.
Gitsplitta wrote: I just got through all the back episodes (on video) and have gotten caught up after a friend at work convinced me to give this show a try. Psychologically & emotionally brutal show.
Now I'm hooked.
What the?! Gits is in the OT and Marty isn't?! The Mayans are right...
Lol, the show is good man, after Farmville: The Walking Dead that was season 2, I almost gave season 3 a pass, but that first episode was just totally worth it.
As to the current events, this episode was decent. I felt that it progressed the various storylines along nicely, though knowing that Rick was bonkers kinda turned me off to those bits, but the Carl and Darrel moment was pretty cool, shows even a bamf like Darrel, who's definitely had a rough life, ain't got gak on a kid growing up in this hell hole. I shudder to see what happens when Carl's sister grows up in this (assuming she has a different life than her comic version)
I didn't mean to suggest "upset"... I just think that he's likely to end up much more like ... oh damn... the "best friend"... rather than his father. Pragmatic in the extreme with a sense of right and wrong that is purely self-determined rather than adhering to any socially accepted or generated standard. (granted... there's not much left of any society... but I think you get my drift)
I think the show is great because the real "horror" isn't the zombies... though the action is driven by the zombies. The horror comes from what the surviving human beings do to one another to survive, gain power, etc.
FITZZ wrote: I agree that Andrea is more than likely "safe" for a while, and though it's a departure from the books I'm enjoying the whole storyline between her, Michonne and The Governor.
Truth be told, I actually like " TV series" Andrea much more than "comic book" Andrea, as the character is much more interesting in the show.
She comes across as a bit of a slut.
She sleeps with one guy, and that makes her a slut? I hate to see what humping the whole town would make her.
FITZZ wrote: I agree that Andrea is more than likely "safe" for a while, and though it's a departure from the books I'm enjoying the whole storyline between her, Michonne and The Governor. Truth be told, I actually like " TV series" Andrea much more than "comic book" Andrea, as the character is much more interesting in the show.
She comes across as a bit of a slut.
She sleeps with one guy, and that makes her a slut? I hate to see what humping the whole town would make her.
Two actually but it's how she acts.
Who else did she sleep with? I saw all of season 1 twice, and season 2 once...I don't remember her sleeping with anyone except the Governor. And while she got hot and heavy with him in just a few days, I don't see what they did as her being too slutty. I didn't really LIKE Andrea, mind you, but I don't see anything she's doing as wrong at this point. She's even starting to grow on me. Even so, everyone faces LIKELY death every day-I don't think terms like slut or whore or anything else is really the norm anymore: I expect Carl (13) will probably hook up with Maggie's sister (16-17) soon, and I don't think most people are going to be bothered by it-is it technically statutory rape? Yes. But in this new world, I don't think people are gonna care-they got some happiness together in the bleakest world possible. And I'm pretty sure Rick isn't going to arrest her for sleeping with his boy.
Also, Alfndrate, can you PM me what happens to Carl's sister in the comics? I'm curious, and it has no relation to what will happen in the show, but I don't want it spoiled for others. And who DOESN'T click the spoiler button every time.
Gitsplitta wrote: She slept with the friend after they were out shooting or some such.
Oh, dur. Now I remember. :Facepalm: Still, two guys in 3 seasons? Each about a year apart? Sex with 2 different people in the span of a year isn't a slut. If it is, man I don't want to know what I was in my first college.
I think Glorioski's right... her actions don't support it... but it's the image the directors give her. She's always got that bedroom eyed, shirt off the shoulder, colligin-injected lip, tousled hair look. Gives the impression she's loose, even though her behavior would say otherwise.
Gitsplitta wrote: I think Glorioski's right... her actions don't support it... but it's the image the directors give her. She's always got that bedroom eyed, shirt off the shoulder, colligin-injected lip, tousled hair look. Gives the impression she's loose, even though her behavior would say otherwise.
Maggie is hot. Especially now she is dressing like Milla Jovovich in Resident Evil (anyone else notice this?). Andrea is alright but she had a better looking sister that she could have died in the place of.
Back to half serious talk though I thought the dialogue between Andrea and that wall bow woman was poor either because of the dialogue itself or the actor's delivery (not sure which). Anyonw else agree? The part where they are talking about killing their family.
Glorioski wrote: Maggie is hot. Especially now she is dressing like Milla Jovovich in Resident Evil (anyone else notice this?). Andrea is alright but she had a better looking sister that she could have died in the place of.
Back to half serious talk though I thought the dialogue between Andrea and that wall bow woman was poor either because of the dialogue itself or the actor's delivery (not sure which). Anyonw else agree? The part where they are talking about killing their family.
Agreed-Maggie is the most attractive girl/woman in the show. Damn Glenn...my second favorite male character (after Daryl), and he gets the awesomely hot girl. Apparently she was in Van Wilder 2: Rise of Taj as well, I really don't remember her in it-saw it once, years ago, wasn't worth watching again. I thought the prequel to that was better, even though that was bad too. Redeeming quality? Johnny Cage played Van's father in the prequel!!
Glorioski wrote: Maggie is hot. Especially now she is dressing like Milla Jovovich in Resident Evil (anyone else notice this?). Andrea is alright but she had a better looking sister that she could have died in the place of.
Glorioski wrote: Maggie is hot. Especially now she is dressing like Milla Jovovich in Resident Evil (anyone else notice this?). Andrea is alright but she had a better looking sister that she could have died in the place of.
Back to half serious talk though I thought the dialogue between Andrea and that wall bow woman was poor either because of the dialogue itself or the actor's delivery (not sure which). Anyonw else agree? The part where they are talking about killing their family.
That scene sucked >_< But I felt that it highlighted just how unprepared most of the citizens of Woodbury really are. You have the Governor, Merle, Andrea, and maybe nameless henchman 1 through 3 who actually know wtf they're doing when it comes to killing walkers.
They seemed pretty good at taking down those US army guys. I think the governor was probably fobbing Andrea off when she said she wanted to work the wall and put her with the pretend wall lookout club.
Of all the characters TV Andrea is the worst compared to her comic book version. In the book she's super badass. She'd be the number 1 pick on anyone's zombie survival team. Everyone leans on her zombie killing abilities heavily.
KamikazeCanuck wrote: Of all the characters TV Andrea is the worst compared to her comic book version. In the book she's super badass. She'd be the number 1 pick on anyone's zombie survival team. Everyone leans on her zombie killing abilities heavily.
In the show she's useless....and a slut.
Just remember, she sleeps with Dale in the comics... that splash-page cannot be unseen
KamikazeCanuck wrote: Of all the characters TV Andrea is the worst compared to her comic book version. In the book she's super badass. She'd be the number 1 pick on anyone's zombie survival team. Everyone leans on her zombie killing abilities heavily.
In the show she's useless....and a slut.
My main problem with Andrea is her inconsistency. She swings from strong independent woman, to codependent on anyone who shows strength, to fierce individual. She's like that needy bipolar chick everyone hated in high school.
Lauren Cohan is lovely - although not as hot as when she played the wonderful Bela in Supernatural! a nd she was not bad in Vampire Diaries but has alot of competition in the hotness stakes there!
I am not keen on Andrea in WD but accept its just not super cool Comic book Andrea :(
Mr Morden wrote: Lauren Coren is lovely - although not as hot as when she played the wonderful Bela in Supernatural! a nd she was not bad in Vampire Diaries but has alot of competition in the hotness stakes there!
I am not keen on Andrea in WD but accept its just not super cool Comic book Andrea :(
Don't forget the hot cop in Silent Hill.
Her character in WD is just a distraction at this point. Adding nothing to the story at this point.
My battlebuddy and I get together every Sunday to play Warha,mmer and watch Walking Dead. With the episodes getting deeper and deeper, we wait until Talking Dead starts to play.
I am more concerned over the phone calls than the fact that Glenn and Maggie have been kidnapped. Rick can't lose it, at least, not yet...
Hopefully, it means he has come to terms with the people he's had to kill or leave behind and he can move on. And hopefully, Herschel will keep his mouth shut about it, unlike Glenn and the barn.
KamikazeCanuck wrote: Of all the characters TV Andrea is the worst compared to her comic book version. In the book she's super badass. She'd be the number 1 pick on anyone's zombie survival team. Everyone leans on her zombie killing abilities heavily.
In the show she's useless....and a slut.
lol, someone has to be the slut. I kind of like it that she shows some emotional neediness, so far in this season we only saw a glimmer of her killer side, the governor does not seem to get that yet but I am guessing he will find out about it soon enough... anyway it makes it all that more complex that she slept with him...
For better or worse it seems they are really listening to the fans. Lori, T-Dawg and Carl were the least popular characters. Two of them are suddenely gone and now Carl seems to be toughening up.
Maelstrom808 wrote: I think they've made leaps and bounds with characters in this season as opposed to last, certainly holding my interest more. Michone is just plain awesome, even as fairly one-dimensional as she is. I hope she sticks around for a bit and gets some better character development.
Honestly, the more I see of Michone, the more I don't care about her. She acts like a badass just to be a badass, and she treats everyone like crap. While I agree the Governer is bad news, she is antagonistic towards everyone, and allows for no discussion. If they kill her off, I won't lose any sleep over it. I was VERY upset when T-Dawg died though, and was quite bummed when they really made it seem like Carol didn't get away, due to her missing for almost 2 full episodes. That surprises me, because I didn't like Carol very much at first, but I guess she grew on me. Of course, I don't think anyone was upset when Lori kicked the bucket. I actually have a bet with one of my friends though that Rick won't survive season 3, and that he's totally looney tunes now. I didn't think anyone in the main family would die off, but...apparently I was wrong. Rick is next up in my local death-pool. I got 5 bucks on him dying by the end of the season.
I have not seen yesterday's episode yet so take with a grain of salt. I like the concept of Michonne better than Michonne. As noted she's tough but it just seems meh once you get past the concept of "badass killing zombies...with a sword!" Not keen on where this episode was headed as I like those two characters (Maggie/Glen) -better than the rest of the cast combined.
Very OT but:
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Would be interesting to have the final episodes deal with the surprise of the US army showing up World WarZ / Shaun of the Dead style, coming back to reclaim this lost portion of the US. Without communication, it would not be unrealistic as they wouldn't know about until they started hearing the gunfire/tanks.
Not keen on where this episode was headed as I like those two characters (Maggie/Glen) -better than the rest of the cast combined.
Anyone else get a "can't rape the willing" kind of vibe from Maggie last episode? I mean I know she would give up the prison but geez.
Glen on the other hand GLEN SMASH.
For better or worse it seems they are really listening to the fans. Lori, T-Dawg and Carl were the least popular characters. Two of them are suddenely gone and now Carl seems to be toughening up.
Yeah! Not to mention Dale. I was not sorry to see any of those characters go. Amy was the only one I was sorry to see go, and I knew Merle would come back.
I liked T-Dawg, and was sad to see him go. Lori...nobody cared about Lori. I was also bummed to see Shane become a douche, and have to leave. My sister complained that nothing really happened last night, I told her it was pretty much the rising action before next weeks climactic mid-season ending. And I'll probably miss next weeks episode cuz of work... Anyone want to record it on DVD for me and send me a copy? You'd be my best friend...
timetowaste85 wrote: I liked T-Dawg, and was sad to see him go. Lori...nobody cared about Lori. I was also bummed to see Shane become a douche, and have to leave. My sister complained that nothing really happened last night, I told her it was pretty much the rising action before next weeks climactic mid-season ending. And I'll probably miss next weeks episode cuz of work... Anyone want to record it on DVD for me and send me a copy? You'd be my best friend...
Thats too bad dude...
You could always just look at comments on the internet instead of watching the episode, we'll sum it up for you.
The worst part about T-Dog was that they called him T-Dog. Seriously. For a black character I found utterly stupid that at no point he would ever tell his real name, he's just the token black character with the token black name. Other than that I liked his character. He's definitely no Tyrese but he was ok. Just wished they would have given him a fething name!
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Iur_tae_mont wrote: Glenn kicked some major ass, Maggie broke too soon. WAY too soon, like the buildup to the next week's episode. Woodbury will run red with blood!
Ah but thats the point! What happens after the blood running is the story for the next 8 episodes.
DutchKillsRambo wrote: The worst part about T-Dog was that they called him T-Dog. Seriously. For a black character I found utterly stupid that at no point he would ever tell his real name, he's just the token black character with the token black name. Other than that I liked his character. He's definitely no Tyrese but he was ok. Just wished they would have given him a fething name!
The worst part about T-Dog was that his entire character was built through what Glenn says about him after he dies. I mean, he was a good character, he just didn't get any real lines and he never had a story of his own. I think the problem was that he was a guardian character, but that was sort of Dale's role throughout season 2. It tells a better story to have Dale stand out as 'that guy' rather than build up T-Dog with a similar personality. It would have been cool for T-Dog to fill Dale's shoes but now we have Hershel for that. I think that the writers kept T-Dog around because of the potential he had as a character, they just never utilized him to his fullest and ended up ditching him once he became "dead weight" to the story...
Thought the last episode was pretty good, a few obvious "For future episodes" set ups...but not bad at all.
I particularly loved the old drunk (crazy) hillbilly buffet scene.
Now, the one scene I did dislike wasn't even in this episode, but rather in the previews for the mid season finaly shown during Talking Dead.
I personaly think that having Michonne find Penny ( the Goveners zombie daughter) and seem so careless in the act ( given what the clip showed) is very OOC for Michonne, given her hypervigilant nature.
Really think the whole " discovering Penny" scene would play out more effectivly having Andrea make the discovery.
I am actually super disappointed going into the midseason finale. Michone went from a cool enigma to just "girl with sword and attitude" Andrea is less the awesome dead eyed killer and more the dependent child. Maggie wasn't AS weak as some in this thread made her out but she still broke too easy, by contrast Glenn was really stalwart. I like that they used Hershel vice Dale, simply because the actor was better, other than that Hershel has been useless for the season so far.
I have almost no doubts Daryl will kill Merle before the end of the season, it has to happen. Just like Shane had to die by Rick.
I have almost no doubts Daryl will kill Merle before the end of the season, it has to happen. Just like Shane had to die by Rick.
Hmm, I'm not entirely certain it will be Merle who dies in the coming "reunion of brothers".
My reasoning may perhaps be flawed, but , as Daryl has been serving as a sort of " stand in Tyreese" this season I wonder if he'll end up on the end of Merle's bayonette hand.
T-Dog was a horrible character. I think he had more lines in the three episodes he was in this season than the last 2 seasons combined. But honestly he was just an empty character, probably the only one really left and that made him walker bait when they needed someone from the group to die.
I don't think Maggie gave up to quickly. She was basically shown she could be raped at their pleasure and then they threatened to kill one of the very few good things in her life. Glenn, however, is a frickin beast. I've like the actor from the first appearance but he's definitely one of my favorites.
I don't see Daryl dying. In all honesty the only characters I see as safe are Rick, Carl, Michonne, and Daryl. Rick and Carl as they are the basis of the entire comic series and the backlash would be to great if they went down. Michonne partially because she was just introduced this season and partly because of her popularity. And Daryl just due to straight up popularity. He's probably the most liked character on the show and backlash would be insane if he went down.
Oh, and I hate what they've done with Andrea. And I would consider Herschel dead weight and walker/bad human bait at this point since they appear to have learned their lesson from last season and aren't going to show his areas of expertise (farming at the prison). Basically he's a glorified doctor and Rick's sounding board. Though that may be enough to keep him alive.
I do like how they are going about avoiding amputations and such that would cost a grip in post production to produce from the main characters so far.
It is a let down that they don't develop some of the characters more. In the comic you really feel bad when some of the characters die. Not so much on the show, you can kind of tell who is going to die. I was amazed T-dog made it as long as he did, he was basically dead weight from the get go, they really could have done a lot more with his character.
Michonne is the best character on the show at this point. There is a story there that has not been told, and it is going to be very interesting to tell.
I am extrapolating about Michonne here:
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Her two walker mules were her family members, and she has had a great childhood, but had to grow hard to survive quite quickly, and that is what makes her so mad/tough.
My prediction for the mid season finale is:
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Rick and the Governor have a showdown in the middle of town Wild West Style.
Overall the show is as formulaic as it has always been, but it still holds my interest.
DeathReaper wrote: Michonne is the best character on the show at this point. There is a story there that has not been told, and it is going to be very interesting to tell.
I am extrapolating about Michonne here:
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Her two walker mules were her family members, and she has had a great childhood, but had to grow hard to survive quite quickly, and that is what makes her so mad/tough.
My prediction for the mid season finale is:
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Rick and the Governor have a showdown in the middle of town Wild West Style.
Overall the show is as formulaic as it has always been, but it still holds my interest.
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That's not how it happens in the comic. Michonne should turn the governor into a cripple while everyone else escapes. I know they are not exactly following the script, but I expect it to turn out that way. I predict that Darryl and Merryle do not come to an agreement, but they don't kill each other. That will happen later, I suspect when the Governor comes to take the prison. Andrea will escape with everyone else after seeing what the Gov did to her friends and her sniping abilities will be key in the defense of the prison.
Yeah I agree, they will keep the gov around for at least the rest of the season. They might not take his arm off though, merle already kind of plays that role.
Also I think it highly likely that there will be something up with merle and the gov. They've already spent too much time in the script hinting at that for something interesting not to go down... there's also hints that he's a complex character. Maybe he will turn into a jesus freak and hook up with team prison and his baby bro?
Either that or, he kills/maims his bro to prove his loyalty to the gov and becomes a hardcore villain...
AustonT wrote: I am actually super disappointed going into the midseason finale. Michone went from a cool enigma to just "girl with sword and attitude" Andrea is less the awesome dead eyed killer and more the dependent child. Maggie wasn't AS weak as some in this thread made her out but she still broke too easy, by contrast Glenn was really stalwart. I like that they used Hershel vice Dale, simply because the actor was better, other than that Hershel has been useless for the season so far.
I have almost no doubts Daryl will kill Merle before the end of the season, it has to happen. Just like Shane had to die by Rick.
AustonT wrote: I am actually super disappointed going into the midseason finale. Michone went from a cool enigma to just "girl with sword and attitude" Andrea is less the awesome dead eyed killer and more the dependent child. Maggie wasn't AS weak as some in this thread made her out but she still broke too easy, by contrast Glenn was really stalwart. I like that they used Hershel vice Dale, simply because the actor was better, other than that Hershel has been useless for the season so far.
I have almost no doubts Daryl will kill Merle before the end of the season, it has to happen. Just like Shane had to die by Rick.
I agree with your whole post 100%.
If the comic is any reference Michonne gets pretty interesting actually.
One of my friends was all psyched up for Michonne, but I think she's a boring character: she's a woman with no emotions, no personality, offends everyone with her "I don't give a feth" attitude, and she carries a sword. So what? Maybe the comic version is cool, but if she died in the show, I wouldn't care. I'll be very upset if Daryl dies to Meryl. Daryl, Glenn and Maggie are the three characters I'm rooting for. Anyone else goes...I'll be okay with it. I just want those three to survive.
timetowaste85 wrote: One of my friends was all psyched up for Michonne, but I think she's a boring character: she's a woman with no emotions, no personality, offends everyone with her "I don't give a feth" attitude, and she carries a sword. So what? Maybe the comic version is cool, but if she died in the show, I wouldn't care. I'll be very upset if Daryl dies to Meryl. Daryl, Glenn and Maggie are the three characters I'm rooting for. Anyone else goes...I'll be okay with it. I just want those three to survive.
Agreed on all points. I like pscho Rick now but he's second level to me at this point.
Michonne is just...boring.
interestignly she might be one of the most realistic of the characters. At this point I'd proffer a great pportion of survivors are not sain scroungers. They're not going to get involved, trust anyone, or particularly have emotions. Think a whole world of thousand yard starers.
timetowaste85 wrote: One of my friends was all psyched up for Michonne, but I think she's a boring character: she's a woman with no emotions, no personality, offends everyone with her "I don't give a feth" attitude, and she carries a sword. So what? Maybe the comic version is cool, but if she died in the show, I wouldn't care. I'll be very upset if Daryl dies to Meryl. Daryl, Glenn and Maggie are the three characters I'm rooting for. Anyone else goes...I'll be okay with it. I just want those three to survive.
Agreed on all points. I like pscho Rick now but he's second level to me at this point.
Michonne is just...boring.
interestignly she might be one of the most realistic of the characters. At this point I'd proffer a great pportion of survivors are not sain scroungers. They're not going to get involved, trust anyone, or particularly have emotions. Think a whole world of thousand yard starers.
Interesting observation Frazz. I have been kind of scratching my head at Rick's attempts to develop some kind of "normal" life, but then again I'm assuming Carl is the primary motivator for that. Not wanting to watch his so go insane right before his eyes and all.
As for the whole Maggie "breaking" early thing I think it just shows she cares for Glen is all. If she doesn't say anything there's a 100% chance Glen will be killed. By saying something she clears the slate of the odds again. Why shouldn't she say something?
I think it's more telling that on the flip side Glen was willing to sacrifice Maggie. In his situation I'd rather save my hot girlfriend than not. He owes her as much loyalty as anyone else back in the prison.
KamikazeCanuck wrote: As for the whole Maggie "breaking" early thing I think it just shows she cares for Glen is all. If she doesn't say anything there's a 100% chance Glen will be killed. By saying something she clears the slate of the odds again. Why shouldn't she say something?
Not sure I'd agree with the criticism of her "breaking" too early. Glenn's head was about to be blown open.
I think it's more telling that on the flip side Glen was willing to sacrifice Maggie. In his situation I'd rather save my hot girlfriend than not. He owes her as much loyalty as anyone else back in the prison.
He really didn't have much time to react with that... seconds later, the govna swung the gun to Glenn's head.
Remember, this is a TeeVee show... they need to keep things moving. In the books... sure, you could stretch it out more.
I think that whole scene was just right for me on the show.
On the subject of Maggie breaking, sure they were about to kill Glen, or so they say, but if you are in that situation you pretty much count yourself as dead one way or the other. You're American, don't negotiate with terrorists!
It's been hinted that the group has certain 'agreements'... It's pretty hard to believe that they haven't discussed the circumstance of one of the group being captured by a hostile party, considering that they've had run-ins. They have pacts to kill one another if they are bitten. I'm not so sure that Rick would be happy had he known, since it's his newborn baby and and young son at risk.
Meade wrote: On the subject of Maggie breaking, sure they were about to kill Glen, or so they say, but if you are in that situation you pretty much count yourself as dead one way or the other. You're American, don't negotiate with terrorists!
It's been hinted that the group has certain 'agreements'... It's pretty hard to believe that they haven't discussed the circumstance of one of the group being captured by a hostile party, considering that they've had run-ins. They have pacts to kill one another if they are bitten. I'm not so sure that Rick would be happy had he known, since it's his newborn baby and and young son at risk.
So? Maggie and Glenn don't live to please Rick. They owe each other as much loyalty as anyone else in the group. In fact they went a little ironic, Glenn's first priority should be Maggie. Maggie at least has her father and sister back there.
KamikazeCanuck wrote: As for the whole Maggie "breaking" early thing I think it just shows she cares for Glen is all. If she doesn't say anything there's a 100% chance Glen will be killed. By saying something she clears the slate of the odds again. Why shouldn't she say something?
Not sure I'd agree with the criticism of her "breaking" too early. Glenn's head was about to be blown open.
I think it's more telling that on the flip side Glen was willing to sacrifice Maggie. In his situation I'd rather save my hot girlfriend than not. He owes her as much loyalty as anyone else back in the prison.
He really didn't have much time to react with that... seconds later, the govna swung the gun to Glenn's head.
Remember, this is a TeeVee show... they need to keep things moving. In the books... sure, you could stretch it out more.
I think that whole scene was just right for me on the show.
So? Maggie and Glenn don't live to please Rick. They owe each other as much loyalty as anyone else in the group. In fact they went a little ironic, Glenn's first priority should be Maggie. Maggie at least has her father and sister back there.
My only point is that if they expect the other members of the group to do the same for them, and not sell them out, they should be prepared to pay the price if the unlucky ones. What maggie did could have easily got her sister raped and the rest of the group dead. After all, these are the same people now risking their lives to come and save her. If they owed more to each other they would just leave them be.
Anyway it makes for a good story. You can't have everybody on the same page and you need some human drama and tension within the group.
So? Maggie and Glenn don't live to please Rick. They owe each other as much loyalty as anyone else in the group. In fact they went a little ironic, Glenn's first priority should be Maggie. Maggie at least has her father and sister back there.
My only point is that if they expect the other members of the group to do the same for them, and not sell them out, they should be prepared to pay the price if the unlucky ones. What maggie did could have easily got her sister raped and the rest of the group dead. After all, these are the same people now risking their lives to come and save her. If they owed more to each other they would just leave them be.
Anyway it makes for a good story. You can't have everybody on the same page and you need some human drama and tension within the group.
Exactly. She made a quick decision the rest of the group has a better chance to defend themselves than Glenn at that moment. I think you can make a fair arguement that's the right decision.
Tyreese finally showed up! That's cool, I thought they'd just decided not to have him. Of course this caused the automatic death of other black guy.
I thought they really did nothing with the whole Daryl-Meryl showdown. No one had to make any hard choices. No brother vs brother. The Govenor just throws him onto team Rick.
Tyreese was really the only bearable character from his group. His group really lacked leadership and I disliked that.
The Talking Dead hinted that the Governor will be getting more evil and that Rick is defiantly still going crazy, a la shooting Shane's doppleganger.
Squidmanlolz wrote: Tyreese was really the only bearable character from his group. His group really lacked leadership and I disliked that.
The Talking Dead hinted that the Governor will be getting more evil and that Rick is defiantly still going crazy, a la shooting Shane's doppleganger.
Tyreese's group, save Tyreese, seemed really green. Like they've been asleep since before the zombie outbreak and just stumbled upon it this morning when they tried to commute to work.
Even more so after the clip from Talking Dead. It just seems like they have no fething clue what's going down, other than Zombies and hit them in the faic.
pretty cool episode. Even though it was relatively free of confrontation, you still had the awesome scene with Michonne and the governor. Governor... now is turning into the Governator.
I love how Maggie is like, "uh, we gave up your guys location.." and Rick is like, "yeah, that's cool".
Daryl and Meryl, I guess they are saving the good stuff for later, anything could happen! But i really think they will milk the situation a little more.
As for Andrea, they are really creating a big story around her, lots of drama to happen there. I'm sure she will get her chance to kick some ass before all is said and done.
To those who've read the Novels... is that Tyreese from the 2nd group a big character? Seems odd now there's a 2nd group now...
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Tyreese is a pretty big character. The timing is strange, in the comic he was with them for a long while already. His daughter and the white boy have an interesting role in the future.
Not a bad episode at all, though I was a bit disapointed in the way the Daryl/ Meryl situation was handled (thus far)...would have much prefered seeing the two brothers hash ( or hack) things out on their own rather than being tossed together like they were...of course there may still be some upcoming conflict between the two when the season returns.
Team Tyreese ( glad the character final showed up btw) seems to be a hodge podge of characters from the comics.
I don't belive the younger girl with the shovel was supposed to be his daughter ( but I could be mistaken) and I suppose the woman who was bitten served as a quick Donna stand in...and the young boy,iirc, was called Billy...wasn't that Herchels son in the books?
Still, nice to see Tyreese arive and looking forward to the rest of the season.
Wondering exactly were the storyline will be going.
FITZZ wrote: Not a bad episode at all, though I was a bit disapointed in the way the Daryl/ Meryl situation was handled (thus far)...would have much prefered seeing the two brothers hash ( or hack) things out on their own rather than being tossed together like they were...of course there may still be some upcoming conflict between the two when the season returns.
Team Tyreese ( glad the character final showed up btw) seems to be a hodge podge of characters from the comics.
I don't belive the younger girl with the shovel was supposed to be his daughter ( but I could be mistaken) and I suppose the woman who was bitten served as a quick Donna stand in...and the young boy,iirc, was called Billy...wasn't that Herchels son in the books?
Still, nice to see Tyreese arive and looking forward to the rest of the season.
Wondering exactly were the storyline will be going.
You know I wouldn't put it past the governor that this is a plot to get Meryl into the prison. Meryl does have an eye to make up for after telling the gov that Michoone was dead after all.
You know I wouldn't put it past the governor that this is a plot to get Meryl into the prison. Meryl does have an eye to make up for after telling the gov that Michoone was dead after all.
it seemed from the teasers that he will use Andrea for that. The governor needs to kill at least one of the brothers as a scapegoat... and to condition the population.
You know I wouldn't put it past the governor that this is a plot to get Meryl into the prison. Meryl does have an eye to make up for after telling the gov that Michoone was dead after all.
Ha...That very well could be the case, the Gov. did use a simular tactic ( with Martinez) in the books...I didn't even think of that, nice catch Andrew.
I feel like Andrea is going to help Merl and Darryl escape and maybe rejoin the group then or sometime toward the end of the season. She knows, or at least should know, Rick & the gang wouldn't raid a town unless provoked.
I also feel like Andrea is going to be the one who kills the Gov.
You know I wouldn't put it past the governor that this is a plot to get Meryl into the prison. Meryl does have an eye to make up for after telling the gov that Michoone was dead after all.
it seemed from the teasers that he will use Andrea for that. The governor needs to kill at least one of the brothers as a scapegoat... and to condition the population.
I don't see Andrea turning on Rick's group, Meryl on the other hand is the natural choice. Darryl will bring him in after their miraculous escape. The group needs bodies so they will grudgingly accept Meryl who will turn on them and thus force the whole Darryl/Meryl confrontation everybody wants to see.
Andrea was already turning on the gov and as soon as she sees Darryl she will realize that the Gov is going after her old crew and come up with some sneaky way to help them, before full out joining them. They are going to need her sniper skills to defend against the Gov.
The whole Andrea thing is going to drag out for a few episodes before she is forced into a position to choose though. During that time we will get to know Tyreese's group and maybe have some pretty grim storylines focusing on people losing all hope and their minds.
The way I see it the natural end to this season is an assault or at least the beginning of an assault on the prison, so be prepared for some heavy story line to fill the time.
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Also nobody you met yet kills the gov, if they follow the story from the comic so we will see how that plays out
I'd rather see Andrea side with the Governator. Remember Rick's group abandoned her. It would be cool to se her take out everyone with a rifle besides Daryl, Glen, and Maggie.
FITZZ wrote: Not a bad episode at all, though I was a bit disapointed in the way the Daryl/ Meryl situation was handled (thus far)...would have much prefered seeing the two brothers hash ( or hack) things out on their own rather than being tossed together like they were...of course there may still be some upcoming conflict between the two when the season returns.
I agree, really seemed like a waste of a plotline. They seem to be gearing up for Meryl to return to team Rick but how would Glenn, Maggie and Michonne feel about that? They wouldn't be too enthused I think.
You know I wouldn't put it past the governor that this is a plot to get Meryl into the prison. Meryl does have an eye to make up for after telling the gov that Michoone was dead after all.
Ha...That very well could be the case, the Gov. did use a simular tactic ( with Martinez) in the books...I didn't even think of that, nice catch Andrew.
Oh yeah, that's interesting. At first when the Govenor freaked out and gave up Meryl I though that was stupid but then I thought Meryl did tell The Govenor to his face he'd killed Michonne (who just stabbed him in the eye). That coupled with his brother being with the enemy I see how he could come to the honest conclusion Meryl was a mole.
The double agent thing would be interesting but now that I think about I think we're being to smart for this show. Could the govenor really come up with a plan that elaborate so quickly? Plus, he couldn't be that sure of Meryl's loyalty.
Frazzled wrote: Or he's just nuts and felt betrayed and there's nothig subtle about it.
Well ya, he just got stabbed in the eye by a women that's supposed to be dead. One thing that has me worried is that I thought that they may have made the Govenor too sympathetic for those how haven't read the books. In the comic he's so over the top evil he might as well be a daemon prince. You don't seem to think so, so I guess they are establishing his villiany properly...
Frazzled wrote: Or he's just nuts and felt betrayed and there's nothig subtle about it.
Well ya, he just got stabbed in the eye by a women that's supposed to be dead. One thing that has me worried is that I thought that they may have made the Govenor too sympathetic for those how haven't read the books. In the comic he's so over the top evil he might as well be a daemon prince. You don't seem to think so, so I guess they are establishing his villiany properly...
The Talking Dead kinda said that this would be the Governor's turning point and that they wanted to show a transition between evil and ohmygod, this guy is freaking psycho. I'm thinking that heads will begin to roll in February... Then the Governor puts them in tanks...
A little bit of what's he's doing in the show: not letting people know what evilness he's up to and a little bit of ruling with an iron fist. One thing is the comics seem more bleak and post-apocalyptic. Too many strange naive people in the show. Like why is ther a hermit living in a shack that threatens to call the police? Why does Tyreese group seem so green? Why does it seem like many Woodbury residents haven't even seen a zombie turn? How can people like that be around a year after the world has been destroyed?
It's like that comment you made before, it's a world full of people with the 1,000 mile stare so even if your town has a crazy leader it's still better than the road. Nothing is worse than the road. In fact the movie "The Road" is almost closer to the book than the actual TWD show.
I get the feeling Tyrese's group had to make a break from wherever they were staying. Think of Herchel's family if they hadn't met Rick and been pushed off the farm in spring.
As for the residents I think it's more a mental defense mechanism. The ones not on the wall are the ones who just can't totally handle the world as it is. And the fights showing the zombies as entertainment instead of danger only makes it easier.
Frazzled wrote: Or he's just nuts and felt betrayed and there's nothig subtle about it.
Well ya, he just got stabbed in the eye by a women that's supposed to be dead. One thing that has me worried is that I thought that they may have made the Govenor too sympathetic for those how haven't read the books. In the comic he's so over the top evil he might as well be a daemon prince. You don't seem to think so, so I guess they are establishing his villiany properly...
The Talking Dead kinda said that this would be the Governor's turning point and that they wanted to show a transition between evil and ohmygod, this guy is freaking psycho. I'm thinking that heads will begin to roll in February... Then the Governor puts them in tanks...
Just hype I think. It's a non-HBO TV show, the network won't allow him to be as evil as he is in the show. AMC is quite stereotypically American really. I've seen some gross stuff on this show. They'll show the most horrific, gruesome throats being ripped out with teeth and people being eviscerated with fingernails but no swearing or boobies!
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Hulksmash wrote: I get the feeling Tyrese's group had to make a break from wherever they were staying. Think of Herchel's family if they hadn't met Rick and been pushed off the farm in spring.
As for the residents I think it's more a mental defense mechanism. The ones not on the wall are the ones who just can't totally handle the world as it is. And the fights showing the zombies as entertainment instead of danger only makes it easier.
Well looks like they're going to make a move for the guns next episode so we'll see how green they really are. Right now you just kinda get the vibe Carl's gonna blow one of them away.
Anyone else kinda laugh when Carl offered to shoot that women in the head and Tyreese was like "no I'll handle this" as if he's going to be more civilized and then pulls out a hammer?
Yeah, I get the feeling Carl will put one between that dad's eyes come the next episode. This is a kid who hit a zombie in the head that a woman was struggling with from a decent distance in bad light. One who looked ready to put down Otto when he was getting pervy with his friend. And one who has put a bullet in his own mom to keep her from coming back.
I do think Tyrese realizes how deadly Carl is. But I have serious doubts about the the dad and son.
In the book woodbury is not white picket fence like this place is. It's pretty much Mos Eisley surrounded by Zombies, which is why the Gov was so cut throat, that is the kind of man that is going to lead such a group. In the TV show the gov is providing people with the ideal community, they are not going to look too deeply behind the curtain, we saw this with Andrea. He is clearly about turn pretty evil.
He is a much more realistic version in the show, at least for the situation.
If you pay attention to the trailers there are a few things that you pick up on. You see the gov standing with a couple of dead bodies and armed henchmen in the gladiator pit with smoke all around him. I'm going to guess this is the aftermath of the escape of Meryle and Darryl. I'm going to guess that Rick and possibly Michonnne come back for the rescue.
You see a scene where Glenn yells something to the effect of "What the hell is he doing here?" I believe that is when he finds out that Meryle is coming back with them
Pretty much what I expected. I am kind of surprised with how the darryl thing ended up. I figured they would just lock Merle up. Rick is really losing it, in a much more destructive to the group way than I expected. I was a little worried for the group, until they showed more about woodbury. I didn't realize most of the people there were so sheltered as to be stupid. It's like they never experienced what its like on the outside. Most of Woodburys inhabitants are as soft a marshmallows.
I think the Daryl-Meryl think actually went down the way it probably should have.
I find it a bit preposterous the Woodburians don't know what to do with someone who's been bitten by a zombie. Seriously, what the hell is Andrea doing still hanging out in that place after everything that's happened?
As for the Merle/Daryl reunion I think that Carol summed it up nicely. As badass as Daryl is, he's still the little brother to a dominating douche-lord, and guys like that have a way of getting into your head. Obviously the show isn't done with Daryl's character so it should be good to see what happens
next.
Rick. I don't even know where to start. Looks like he's going bonkers. I'm over it already, and I hope they don't drag it out.
Andrea is my least favorite character. It's like they want to portray her as this strong person with the ability to be a leader, but she comes off as a complete mullet.
Lint wrote: As for the Merle/Daryl reunion I think that Carol summed it up nicely. As badass as Daryl is, he's still the little brother to a dominating douche-lord, and guys like that have a way of getting into your head. Obviously the show isn't done with Daryl's character so it should be good to see what happens
next.
Rick. I don't even know where to start. Looks like he's going bonkers. I'm over it already, and I hope they don't drag it out.
Andrea is my least favorite character. It's like they want to portray her as this strong person with the ability to be a leader, but she comes off as a complete mullet.
I complettely agree with not dragging the "Rick is going batgak" bit out, at least in the direction the show seems to want to take it, I don't mind Rick going a bit nuts ( hell even a lot nuts), but the Ghost Lori bit made me cringe.
Also agree with the way things played out between Daryl and Merle + group, this will be an interesting storyline to watch unfold IMO, my money is on Daryl and Merle coming to blows.
As for Andrea, I've really been attempting to see her in terms of the "big picture", Scared lawer who's family dies, sister gets bit so she has to shoot her, almost offs herself, has a breakdown, damn near gets munched more times than I can remember, get's blamed for a near suicide,then gets left by her group to run for her life...clearly she's got issues.
Ya, not liking ghost Lori or ghost anything for that matter. TV Show is now like Bizzaro comic. Govenor is sane and Rick is insane. Looks like Govenor will be slowly going more crazy though. It will culminate is a battle between crazy and crazier to determine who is craziest!
So, the world's been destroyed and you can have any car in the world you come across......so you're all going for a metallic, misty green Hyundai right?
So, the world's been destroyed and you can have any car in the world you come across......so you're all going for a metallic, misty green Hyundai right?
So, the world's been destroyed and you can have any car in the world you come across......so you're all going for a metallic, misty green Hyundai right?
Obvious product placements...
White Collar is just as bad...
Well, what would be the best vehicle to have, all things considered? Sports cars are no good. Yeah, the giant hummer sounds nice, but where are you gonna get the gas for it?
So what is good criteria? Off road capable, good MPG, reliable, easy to find spare parts, simple to work on, storage space for your people and gear.
Ford ranger might be the best, good gas mileage and you should be able to find parts pretty easy. It's got decent off road capabilities, and if you could find the hybrid even better gas mileage. Maybe a jeep, but they can be maintenance monsters.
WV Golf Diesel with rally tires would be ideal just for MPG, but then diesel might be hard to find and replacement parts would be kind of hard to find.
I think the same thing when I see Daryll on the Hog, bikes are good, but I'd probably ditch it the second I found an enduro, or some other bike that is more off road capable.
Ya, you'd need reliability and good milage. It may not be sexy but a Prius? On the other hand that may not have enough horse power to carry around all your survivors and apocalypse survival gear.
Byte wrote: Did anyone else notice the Governor had Rick's sheriffs gun bag?
Wait...what?, No I didn't notice that, when did that scene take place.
I usaully catch those sorts of things...
He was talking to Blondie in his room/house and gearing up with wargear. He hoisted the bag up on the table. I'll check my DVR and get the minute mark.
KamikazeCanuck wrote: Ya, you'd need reliability and good milage. It may not be sexy but a Prius? On the other hand that may not have enough horse power to carry around all your survivors and apocalypse survival gear.
Daryl has the way of it. Bikes. Cruisers.
In the grim darkness of Zombie Apocalypse (except Texas of course, where it will be the Zombie Games YEEHHHAAAA!) bike gangs will be the sole survivors...
"The hardest thing about the zombie apocalypse is pretending I'm not excited."
KamikazeCanuck wrote: Ya, you'd need reliability and good milage. It may not be sexy but a Prius? On the other hand that may not have enough horse power to carry around all your survivors and apocalypse survival gear.
Daryl has the way of it. Bikes. Cruisers.
In the grim darkness of Zombie Apocalypse (except Texas of course, where it will be the Zombie Games YEEHHHAAAA!) bike gangs will be the sole survivors...
"The hardest thing about the zombie apocalypse is pretending I'm not excited."
Have to agree here, motorcycles are the way to go IMO, only drawback would be the amont of noise most street bikes vtend to make.
KamikazeCanuck wrote: And the fact your completely exposed. Car gives you protection. Motorcycle just establishes your cool level.
You don't need protection when you're quick and mobile, you can just ride right by the zombies. If you are hiding inside a car, you're pretty screwed already.
KamikazeCanuck wrote: On a motorcycle just taking a wrong turn could get you killed by one zombie. With a car you just drive over them and keep going.
I hear you. I'll take maneuverability over armor anyday. It reminds me of the soccer moms who drive giant SUVs because they feel safe in an accident, because they have so many! I choose to avoid accidents, I've been able to avoid so many accidents in my little two seater just because its nimble and quick.
It really depends on what you are doing I suppose, long distance travel on any kind of bike is not ideal. But you have a lot more escape routs with an enduro than you do with a car.
An electric car does have some advantages, they are extremely quiet, but their range and finding electricity might be pretty big drawbacks. That and even a slow moving zombie can catch a Prius
KamikazeCanuck wrote: And the fact your completely exposed. Car gives you protection. Motorcycle just establishes your cool level.
Protection? I'm a Texan. The zombies will be the ones needing protection, from me.
Actually I'd proffer the highway scenes in Zombie land and Walking Dead would be quite accurate near any major area.
Well I'd proffer a nice hard shell jeep type vehicel with real 4 wheel drive would be the next best thing. I'm sure there would be plenty of Humvee types laying around.
At least until the gas runs out. Remember, gas loses its potency over time.
My vote's definitely for a car...something big enough that I could throw a mountain bike in the back as a backup.
@Frazz: That's a great point about the gasoline, especially with modern ethanol blends. I know they sure gunk up my small engines if they aren't treated with fuel stabilizer (and sometimes even when they are). A car engine is undoubtedly more forgiving, but gas would appear to become an issue even before it runs out. Maybe a chemical engineer on the board can chime in on this.
Not everyone lives in Texas Frazz. This is main concept Texans struggle with: some kind of world outside Texas.
Anyways, forget about the Priii and the Hyundais the best thing to have is a Humvee or a Hummer. I don't care if its a gas guzzler. When you think about it they haven't done that much driving and abandoned vehicles seem to be everywhere.
KamikazeCanuck wrote: Not everyone lives in Texas Frazz. This is main concept Texans struggle with: some kind of world outside Texas.
Anyways, forget about the Priii and the Hyundais the best thing to have is a Humvee or a Hummer. I don't care if its a gas guzzler. When you think about it they haven't done that much driving and abandoned vehicles seem to be everywhere.
Well during the Zombie games, there will only be: Texas and Zombie ranches where the zombies are raised. Others would term those areas Chicago.
Byte wrote: Did anyone else notice the Governor had Rick's sheriffs gun bag?
Wait...what?, No I didn't notice that, when did that scene take place.
I usaully catch those sorts of things...
He was talking to Blondie in his room/house and gearing up with wargear. He hoisted the bag up on the table. I'll check my DVR and get the minute mark.
Decent episode last night, I enjoyed the Daryl/Merle dialogue. I'm also fairly certain that there wasn't a dry pair of panties anywhere when Daryl showed up and saved the people on the bridge. And then couches everywhere got soaked again during the prison scene.
I am kind of confused as to the Gov's purpose though. Why did he stop when he clearly held the advantage and could've easily caused more harm and death to the group? Seems a little contrived to spend the first shot and kill a non-character, then shoot a thousand more rounds, hit nothing, drop off some geeks, and then leave without seeing the plan to fruition. Granted he left before Daryl showed up to save Rick, but all the more reason to hang around and make sure your plan worked..
I think it was more like a warning shot. And remember he'd lost a dude on the tower and the longer the fire fight went on the higher the chance he was to lose more of his "wet work" group. The guys who will do whatever he says. It's funny but the sides are almost even in actual fighters (if you count Darryl, Merl, and Carl). And the govenor didn't see Darryl or Merl and heard a truck heading his way, seemed a reasonable time to call it quits.
I think the gun in the air was to attract walkers. Another reason they might have been scooting out. He breaks the gates and draws a huge herd of zombies and figures even if they survive they'll be busy for a bit. Giving him time to rile up the town to assault the prison.
I think there was enough return fire to discourage the governor from just rolling in, keep in mind that he has a lot to gain from the prison group being annihilated... revenge on Merle and Michonne, and sooner they're gone Andrea will stop asking questions and it's less likely she'll contact them. But he might just be hoping the group packs up and moves out.
BTW.... I love schizophrenic Rick. Pretty cool that he's become unhinged.
I love schizophrenic Rick for 2ish episodes and I thought the actor did an excellent job in portraying a man who knows he's losing it. That said I hope it wraps up sometime next episode because if they draw it out it'll make me like one of my favorite characters less.
To be fair if anyone has a right to go nuts it's Rick. The man woke up in an over run hospital, was nearly eaten entering Atlanta, had to watch people he was in charge of die, had to kill his best friend, has a baby that might not be his, and now his wife is dead. I say he's earned an episode or two of crazy town
I'm kind of disappointed in Glen's character. He was my favorite in the comics and the show thus far, but upon taking more of a leadership role in the group, he's kind of becoming a dick and forcibly driving Maggie away. I miss old Glen, it seems like everyone in the group is sort of getting crazy/aggressive/bored
Squidmanlolz wrote: I'm kind of disappointed in Glen's character. He was my favorite in the comics and the show thus far, but upon taking more of a leadership role in the group, he's kind of becoming a dick and forcibly driving Maggie away. I miss old Glen, it seems like everyone in the group is sort of getting crazy/aggressive/bored
Doesn't he have to be like this out of necessity, I mean Rick's a fruit pie and Daryl left...
I got the feeling from her conversation with Glen that she partially blames him and her feelings for him for what happened to her. Even more so what she would allow to happen to her. Add in Glen being in an obvious rage and not seeming to be there for her. He's upset something happened to her but it feels more ilke he's the one that's uncomfortable. Add all that up and you've got a world class fight going on because they aren't communicating.
Basically, Glen is being male and Maggie is being female and it's a natural progression.
Hulksmash wrote: I got the feeling from her conversation with Glen that she partially blames him and her feelings for him for what happened to her. Even more so what she would allow to happen to her. Add in Glen being in an obvious rage and not seeming to be there for her. He's upset something happened to her but it feels more ilke he's the one that's uncomfortable. Add all that up and you've got a world class fight going on because they aren't communicating.
Basically, Glen is being male and Maggie is being female and it's a natural progression.
^^^
Yup... that's what I got from that sequence...
I think the writers are trying to say that while the world can go into a gak dumpster... some dynamics don't really change.
She'd probably be less butt hurt if it was her family, not someone she'd fallen in love with. If it was her sister there wouldn't be the communication problem. Herchel was successfully married for decades, probably wouldn't have the same problem there either.
Remember, she was pretty fatalistic when they met in season 2. This would just bring that back after the happiness she found with Glenn.
My thought was that Maggie was trying to recover from the trauma on her own. She was pushing Glen away because he was being too controlling. IMO, he should have given her some space after she told him to sort of back off
I'm loving Glenn right now and dissappointed with Maggie. I know she doing the non logical, emotional woman thing but still.
However, totally dissappointed in Rick. Anyone notice when he was going on his crazy walk he just left the door open? Good thing Michonne, the women he's kicking out, was there to see it.
I don't know what to make of that shootout. I guess in a way it's realistic that a bunch of civilians would miss so much with their fully automatic weapons. However, this is also the group that masterfully and completely wiped out an army patrol SEAL Team 6 style.
Anyone want to record it on DVD for me and send me a copy? You'd be my best friend...
