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Post by: Mad4Minis
 BrookM wrote:Shot Game Salute an email a bit ago about the first campaign and this is what I got:
BrookM…
Here's our warehouse manager's status report: "This project has been complex, considering we have needed to do all of the assembly. We are nearing the end of it but I don't have any firm dates on shipping. We are doing all that we can, each day."
I hope you can be patient a little longer.
Thanks
David
I'm worried now okay, they've been packing this stuff for over two weeks now and still no firm dates in sight?! 
Im guessing its not one of their priority projects.
Were they paid in full up front? Maybe they are one of those places that take their time once the money is in the bank.
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Post by: Catyrpelius
I like it, that is one beefy shotgun though. Automatically Appended Next Post:  Mad4Minis wrote: BrookM wrote:Shot Game Salute an email a bit ago about the first campaign and this is what I got:
BrookM…
Here's our warehouse manager's status report: "This project has been complex, considering we have needed to do all of the assembly. We are nearing the end of it but I don't have any firm dates on shipping. We are doing all that we can, each day."
I hope you can be patient a little longer.
Thanks
David
I'm worried now okay, they've been packing this stuff for over two weeks now and still no firm dates in sight?!
Im guessing its not one of their priority projects.
Were they paid in full up front? Maybe they are one of those places that take their time once the money is in the bank.
It's Game Salute, take that for what its worth 
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Post by: Necros
I pretty much get the same response. I know they're working on it, and I know they have a bunch of other projects to do too. All I can do is hope it gets done soon and hope the bugs get worked out in the process so this doesn't happen again. It's pretty much the reason I decreed that the new campaign will get all unboxed minis. So at least everyone can get their orders sooner and the retail release can be whenever they get the boxed stuff done.
All of the guns are going to be beefy like that, it's party due to the 3D printing, and also just for the heroic-ness of the minis. I'm also going to see about getting 3D prints & resin casts done for all of the different guns on mini sprues, so the traditional sculptors can use them in their sculpts so everything will match better. The 3D sculptors can all just share the files though  We're probably going to be moving over to more 3D though since my ultimate goal is to do plastics of some sort.
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Post by: Catyrpelius
 Necros wrote:I pretty much get the same response. I know they're working on it, and I know they have a bunch of other projects to do too. All I can do is hope it gets done soon and hope the bugs get worked out in the process so this doesn't happen again. It's pretty much the reason I decreed that the new campaign will get all unboxed minis. So at least everyone can get their orders sooner and the retail release can be whenever they get the boxed stuff done.
All of the guns are going to be beefy like that, it's party due to the 3D printing, and also just for the heroic-ness of the minis. I'm also going to see about getting 3D prints & resin casts done for all of the different guns on mini sprues, so the traditional sculptors can use them in their sculpts so everything will match better. The 3D sculptors can all just share the files though We're probably going to be moving over to more 3D though since my ultimate goal is to do plastics of some sort.
No where on your kickstarter page did I see that the rewards wouldn't come in full retail packaging...
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Post by: Mad4Minis
Plastics would be awesome
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Post by: BrookM
He has made mention of this a few times, that all future campaigns would be without boxes to speed gak up considerably.
Personally, I do not care about the boxes that much, the FLGS does, however I do care about the other printed wares for demo games at said store.
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Post by: Catyrpelius
BrookM wrote:He has made mention of this a few times, that all future campaigns would be without boxes to speed gak up considerably.
Personally, I do not care about the boxes that much, the FLGS does, however I do care about the other printed wares for demo games at said store.
Well then I hope all 434 backers read these forums on Dakka...
I realise that some people don't care about retail packaging, but there are some of us that do.
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Post by: Necros
Yeah we added it to an update about halfway through the campaign.. everyone will get the unboxed minis as default, but if you want you can wait for the full box sets. They'll add that to the questionaire or pledge manager.
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Post by: Cyporiean
What is the exact hold up? previously it was 'packaging is not here yet' and 'too many options', and I'm fairly sure you already said the packaging was in.. and the other excuse is ridiculous.
You really need to stay on there butts and get this resolved, possibly looking into going to Game Salute and packing some orders yourself. The more its delayed, the worst you look.
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Post by: Catyrpelius
 Cyporiean wrote:What is the exact hold up? previously it was 'packaging is not here yet' and 'too many options', and I'm fairly sure you already said the packaging was in.. and the other excuse is ridiculous.
You really need to stay on there butts and get this resolved, possibly looking into going to Game Salute and packing some orders yourself. The more its delayed, the worst you look.
Or at the very least bust some heads. Game Salute claims to be a big boy company with big boy pants and all that, its time they start acting like it.
I can deal with having to wait on stuff because it's delayed in production or its on a ship... I have a hard time waiting on something because a company that distributs and publishes games for a living can't fufill 250 orders.
Someone higher up on the food chain at Game Salute, or even you, needs to ride this warehouse managers ass.
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Post by: MagickalMemories
Looking at that latest model, I realized what's bothering me. The right leg is too far forward. He'd fall backwards in that pose, unless he was leaning against something.
His right foot needs to come backwards.
Eric
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Post by: Necros
I'll mention that to the sculptor.. great thing about 3D is fixes like that are pretty easy Automatically Appended Next Post: and .. I'm going to send an email to the Dan the CEO tonight when I have time to sit down and type it all out.. I'll pass along everyone's comments and concerns. Automatically Appended Next Post: And, I just got this email from GS out of the blue
please put together an update indicating that we're nearing the end of assembly and then pledges will begin shipping. We'll have another update in a week as we progress with that process.
The email thread goes back to the email BrookM's sent
Anyway, I'll be posting an update to that effect on the KS page in a bit.
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Post by: BrookM
From KS.
I just got an update on the orders today, direct from Game Salute's CEO:
"please put together an update indicating that we're nearing the end of assembly and then pledges will begin shipping. We'll have another update in a week as we progress with that process."
Assuming the assembly took a while. They had to gather up the minis for each set, bases, cards, rules and battlefoam sheets and then box & shrinkwrap every set, then count out 14 dice 250 times At any rate, I'll keep you all informed and pass on any new info as soon as I get it!
Thanks for bearing with me
Tim
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Post by: Catyrpelius
BrookM wrote:From KS.
I just got an update on the orders today, direct from Game Salute's CEO:
"please put together an update indicating that we're nearing the end of assembly and then pledges will begin shipping. We'll have another update in a week as we progress with that process."
Assuming the assembly took a while. They had to gather up the minis for each set, bases, cards, rules and battlefoam sheets and then box & shrinkwrap every set, then count out 14 dice 250 times At any rate, I'll keep you all informed and pass on any new info as soon as I get it!
Thanks for bearing with me
Tim
So realistically pledges won't even begin to ship out until after the New Year....
As always I fail to be impressed by Game Salute, their the bad joke of the tabletop gaming world.
There are three things that I hope come out of everything I've said in this thread. First, the CEO of Game Salute relises what a joke his company is and fixes it. Second, that it's not a good idea for a minatures company to partner, or whatever your relationship actually is, with a mediocer board game company. And third my models.
At this point you better be praying that delivery of this kickstarter goes smoothly and preferably ahead of schedule.
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Post by: Alpharius
Who are Game Salute, and what else of note have they done?
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Post by: Catyrpelius
If your familiar with Kickstarter their the Springboard guys. They also serve as a distrubiter for a limited catalog of lesser known games.
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Post by: Cyporiean
A middle man to middle men.
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Post by: Alpharius
Springboard is a name I'm familiar with.
With as many projects as they've created on Kickstarter, plus whatever else they're in to, it is a bit odd that they're having such a hard time figuring out how to effectively complete the last BWG Kickstarter...
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Post by: Catyrpelius
 Alpharius wrote:Springboard is a name I'm familiar with.
With as many projects as they've created on Kickstarter, plus whatever else they're in to, it is a bit odd that they're having such a hard time figuring out how to effectively complete the last BWG Kickstarter...
I'm not actually aware of any games that have gone through the Springboard system that have actually shipped.
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Post by: Alpharius
That could be a problem... guess I'm glad that Blackwater Gulch is my first "Springboard' experience!
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Post by: Necros
Alpharius wrote:With as many projects as they've created on Kickstarter, plus whatever else they're in to, it is a bit odd that they're having such a hard time figuring out how to effectively complete the last BWG Kickstarter...
I concur! I wish I had more details, but all I know is they're doing a lot of other projects in addition to mine and they're working hard to get everything done. They were primarily a board game company till I came along so I guess it's just a lot of growing pains. Was just thinking that most of their games are probably already made and shipped over from China, so all they have to do is ship them to the customers, but with mine they have to build & pack everything and just weren't prepared for it.
Fulfillment and shipping has it's issues right now, but I've been assured the next campaign will go much smoother. And in their defense though, in the game design department anyway and working with the company in general, I've had nothing but good experiences. They sank a lot of money into the game and have budgeted a lot more for the future when it still isn't even in stores yet. When all was said and done, the first campaign was about $3000 in the red, plus they spent a big chunk of cash on extra stock ordered and the printed rulebooks. Then budged a few K more to pay the artists who did the artwork for the new campaign. And then there's the gencon booth for next year... overall thanks to them it's a higher quality product now than I would have been able to do on my own.
I'm hoping they can get the orders out asap and figure out a good system for moving forward so this never happens again. I'm pretty optimistic about what the future holds for the game, just gotta get past today... Automatically Appended Next Post: And actually now that you mention it.. since I started Kickstarting last year, so far I haven't gotten a single order from any campaign I personally backed either. Ogre, Sedition Wars, Bombshell Babes and more. Regretting not doing Zombicide...
Not an excuse, but I guess it's just the Kickstarter way :/ I'm hoping to not use KS that much more in the future. I want to get to the point where we can just budget X number of sculpts per month and just release em the old fashioned way.
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Post by: Catyrpelius
Necros wrote: Alpharius wrote:With as many projects as they've created on Kickstarter, plus whatever else they're in to, it is a bit odd that they're having such a hard time figuring out how to effectively complete the last BWG Kickstarter...
I concur! I wish I had more details, but all I know is they're doing a lot of other projects in addition to mine and they're working hard to get everything done. They were primarily a board game company till I came along so I guess it's just a lot of growing pains. Was just thinking that most of their games are probably already made and shipped over from China, so all they have to do is ship them to the customers, but with mine they have to build & pack everything and just weren't prepared for it.
Fulfillment and shipping has it's issues right now, but I've been assured the next campaign will go much smoother. And in their defense though, in the game design department anyway and working with the company in general, I've had nothing but good experiences. They sank a lot of money into the game and have budgeted a lot more for the future when it still isn't even in stores yet. When all was said and done, the first campaign was about $3000 in the red, plus they spent a big chunk of cash on extra stock ordered and the printed rulebooks. Then budged a few K more to pay the artists who did the artwork for the new campaign. And then there's the gencon booth for next year... overall thanks to them it's a higher quality product now than I would have been able to do on my own.
I'm hoping they can get the orders out asap and figure out a good system for moving forward so this never happens again. I'm pretty optimistic about what the future holds for the game, just gotta get past today...
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And actually now that you mention it.. since I started Kickstarting last year, so far I haven't gotten a single order from any campaign I personally backed either. Ogre, Sedition Wars, Bombshell Babes and more. Regretting not doing Zombicide...
Not an excuse, but I guess it's just the Kickstarter way :/ I'm hoping to not use KS that much more in the future. I want to get to the point where we can just budget X number of sculpts per month and just release em the old fashioned way.
So now your using other Kickstarter projects to offset how long its taking Game Salute to get their act together?
Ogre was a victim of it's own sucess, the game got rediculosly big in its reprinting. Additionally currently its only one month over due.
Sedition Wars ran into some problems that I hope you never have to deal with and should be shipping soon.
Bombshell Babes isn't due yet.
Useing other projects as an arguement isn't a good idea because it can be easily flipped around to bite you in the ass.
I am currently or have already backed 72 projects, 12 of them are still ongoing. Of the other 60 projects 6 of them were either canceled or failed to reach their goal. Of those 54 projects that were sucessfully funded I've received 17 of them with the vast majority of the other not being overdue.
Back when you started your first campaign you were a one man operation. Back then I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and delays were understandable. Now however your part of a "large" company and your going to be held acountable as such. If you don't deliver on time and with what was expected thats a major problem. It's also a problem that may tarnish your name in the future irrepairably. People are starting to get vocal about getting their stuff and its only going to get worse unless you do something about it. Sending an email to a warehouse manager isn't enough. You have to figure out exactly what is going on, and fix it immideiatly. You also need find out exactly what their going to do to fix this in the furute, an empty promise of "this won't happen again" isn't good enough.
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Post by: Agamemnon2
It's what I've been saying all along, the Kickstarter model for our hobby is hamstrung by this kind of issues and will eventually be scaled way back from its current amount of overproliferation. Give it a few months and we're going to be hearing from irate Reaper customers, too.
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Post by: CptJake
Saying OGRE "currently is only one month over due" though technically accurate is a misleading comment since SJG has stated the earliest they can deliver is April 2013, and that was a maybe...
From update #57: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/847271320/ogre-designers-edition/posts?page=2
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Post by: BrookM
 Catyrpelius wrote:So realistically pledges won't even begin to ship out until after the New Year....
There are three things that I hope come out of everything I've said in this thread. First, the CEO of Game Salute relises what a joke his company is and fixes it. Second, that it's not a good idea for a minatures company to partner, or whatever your relationship actually is, with a mediocer board game company. And third my models.
At this point you better be praying that delivery of this kickstarter goes smoothly and preferably ahead of schedule.
Well, just so long as the pledges go out before the main range goes on sale, or am I giving them more bad ideas now?
Oh and Necros? This may be out of your hands as you've mentioned a fair few times before, but you are still the face of this project. 
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Post by: Necros
yes, they will certainly be going out before any retail stuff is made available. Ya'd think they would hurry up, so they can start selling to stores and make some money..
And yes I know I'm the face of the project, it's my game and they are just the publisher (and bankroll at the moment) .. so yeah the issues have been really frustrating and depressing. Just hoping next time around these issues will all be resolved and this never happens again.
In other news, I just got WIP shots of the next guy for Wilde's Rangers. Decided to make a new post for WIP photos in the BWG forums, and just do finished more "product announcement" kind of photos for this thread
But here's the new thread:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/495549.page
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Post by: Alfndrate
Necros I have a question...
If at any point you get stable enough in the gaming world, or you can afford to make BWG your full-time gig, are you able to keep rights and control of your game and give Game Salute the boot?
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Post by: Necros
Yes, I still own the game and IP and all of that stuff. But, it would take a lot for me to be able to do it on my own. They are providing the distribution, big warehouse to store everything, fulfillment (packing the minis in their boxes), selling it at cons.. Then there's the other things like having a creative director for the game now to wrangle all of the artists and keep them on point, proofreader so the rulebook won't be full of typos like the old one was. My job now is to just sit back and create my game world, come up with new units & models for the game and just keep it all going. I get paid a "yield" from everything sold, basically a royalty fee. But the game is and always will be mine
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Post by: Catyrpelius
Necros wrote:Yes, I still own the game and IP and all of that stuff. But, it would take a lot for me to be able to do it on my own. They are providing the distribution, big warehouse to store everything, fulfillment (packing the minis in their boxes), selling it at cons.. Then there's the other things like having a creative director for the game now to wrangle all of the artists and keep them on point, proofreader so the rulebook won't be full of typos like the old one was. My job now is to just sit back and create my game world, come up with new units & models for the game and just keep it all going. I get paid a "yield" from everything sold, basically a royalty fee. But the game is and always will be mine
If this is the case and Game Salute is just the distributer/fufilment house then start making some demands. Don't let them kick the can down the road and tell you that their working on it. Get hard dates and hold them to them.
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Post by: MagickalMemories
Catyrpelius wrote:So now your using other Kickstarter projects to offset how long its taking Game Salute to get their act together?
Ogre was a victim of it's own sucess, the game got rediculosly big in its reprinting. Additionally currently its only one month over due.
Sedition Wars ran into some problems that I hope you never have to deal with and should be shipping soon.
Bombshell Babes isn't due yet.
Useing other projects as an arguement isn't a good idea because it can be easily flipped around to bite you in the ass.
Geez, man. Calm down.
As someone who was reading his comments neutrally, without predisposition to look for ulterior motives, they came across more as conversational. There was no indication that it was a defense or argument.
With all due respect; I know you want your models, but chill a bit. You'll get them. You're riding the man like an old horse, and it's getting old.
Eric
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Post by: BrookM
Also, there's mention of "battlefoam sheets" in the last update. These are what? Actual foam protectors or future paint palettes a.k.a. advertisement leaflets?
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Post by: Necros
Oh .. well, those are just plain foam sheets. But we had Battlefoam do them for us, so they are cut to size to fit the exact size of the starter set boxes The boxes are 1.5" thick, so we have 2 foam sheets sandwiching the minis. At first I was thinking of doing a mini battlefoam tray in the box with 6-8 pockets to hold your minis, but the laser cutting would have drove up the retail price too high.. was just a little higher, but enough to make it higher than I wanted.
That's something I'd like to explore later on though, maybe as a deluxe 2-player starter set some day, with trays that are the same size as a custom bag. We decided to shelf the idea for now though and wait till the game is released and then see if it's something people would want.
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Post by: Catyrpelius
Necros wrote:Oh .. well, those are just plain foam sheets. But we had Battlefoam do them for us, so they are cut to size to fit the exact size of the starter set boxes The boxes are 1.5" thick, so we have 2 foam sheets sandwiching the minis. At first I was thinking of doing a mini battlefoam tray in the box with 6-8 pockets to hold your minis, but the laser cutting would have drove up the retail price too high.. was just a little higher, but enough to make it higher than I wanted.
That's something I'd like to explore later on though, maybe as a deluxe 2-player starter set some day, with trays that are the same size as a custom bag. We decided to shelf the idea for now though and wait till the game is released and then see if it's something people would want.
Are these going to be in the old mantic style packaging?
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Post by: Necros
No, it's a glossy color cardstock box. We couldn't do the Mantic boxes, mostly due to the overseas shipping price to get all of the boxes we needed.. would have ended up with a retail price around $40 instead of $30. They gave us a good price on the boxes, but the shipping was nuts.
I really hate overseas shipping :(
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Post by: BrookM
Neat! Foam is always most welcome when it comes down to mini protection, especially when overseas shipping is involved.
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Post by: Catyrpelius
Necros wrote:No, it's a glossy color cardstock box. We couldn't do the Mantic boxes, mostly due to the overseas shipping price to get all of the boxes we needed.. would have ended up with a retail price around $40 instead of $30. They gave us a good price on the boxes, but the shipping was nuts.
I really hate overseas shipping :(
The Mantic boxes sound like a good idea but I never end up useing them but can't bring myself to throw them away so they just end up taking up space that I could use to store more models.
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Post by: Necros
Happy Holidays everyone!
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Nice image
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No pesky varmits are gonna stop Santa!
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Post by: BrookM
For those who don't check there, this popped up yesterday on the KS comments page:
Sorry again his has dragged on so long. Been back and forth with the warehouse guys about what's included with this or that order, so I know they're working on it. I just asked nicely if he could give me an ETA on shipping now so hopefully I'll have some good news soon. I never thought it would have taken this long.
I think the issue with this campaign vs others is they're doing all of the fulfillment for BWG, meaning they're packing all the minis, cards, etc, in the boxes, shrink wrapping and everything, so I guess that ended up being more work than they thought. Most of their other games are just a board game that's already made so they just have to grab it off the shelf and ship it out.
Anyway, hopefully I'll hear back soon...
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Post by: Catyrpelius
BrookM wrote:For those who don't check there, this popped up yesterday on the KS comments page:
Sorry again his has dragged on so long. Been back and forth with the warehouse guys about what's included with this or that order, so I know they're working on it. I just asked nicely if he could give me an ETA on shipping now so hopefully I'll have some good news soon. I never thought it would have taken this long.
I think the issue with this campaign vs others is they're doing all of the fulfillment for BWG, meaning they're packing all the minis, cards, etc, in the boxes, shrink wrapping and everything, so I guess that ended up being more work than they thought. Most of their other games are just a board game that's already made so they just have to grab it off the shelf and ship it out.
Anyway, hopefully I'll hear back soon...
Thanks for the update, I'm going to give them until the 2nd of Janurary...
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Post by: BrookM
Posted less than an hour ago in the comments section by a US backer: Thought I'd let everyone know I received my box set today although none of the stretch goal rewards were included.
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Post by: temprus
Sigh, I hope that was just a fluke, otherwise it is not a good sign.
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Post by: BrookM
Posted four hours ago in the comments section:
My arrived Saturday as well (Chicago). I was at the one box level, and the bonus figures (Norwegian, etc.) were in a tiny plastic bag loose in the styrofoam peanuts; the dice were in another loose bag. The box contained the expected 5 figures, thin quickstart rules, and two bags of cards (presumably for the box and for the bonus figures); not shrinkwrapped.
Postage was printed on 12/26.
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Post by: Catyrpelius
BrookM wrote:Posted four hours ago in the comments section:
My arrived Saturday as well (Chicago). I was at the one box level, and the bonus figures (Norwegian, etc.) were in a tiny plastic bag loose in the styrofoam peanuts; the dice were in another loose bag. The box contained the expected 5 figures, thin quickstart rules, and two bags of cards (presumably for the box and for the bonus figures); not shrinkwrapped.
Postage was printed on 12/26.
It's what I'd expect from Game Salute...
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Post by: Bolognesus
?? How do you mean? He got everything and I've gotten metal models shipped in packing peanits in a box before, always in fine condition?
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Post by: BrookM
Doesn't explain why it took so long.
Plus, the non shrink-wrapped bit is interesting, as that was one of the excuses shot at us, that they were shrink-wrapping the boxes. My guess is that the backers are a lower priority and that they are more concerned with getting the goods ready for general sale early next year.
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Post by: Necros
Well.. at least I know stuff is shipping now .. ya'd think they might have told me What I was expect them to ship out was shrinkwrapped box sets just like you'd get them from the store, and then the dice & bonus figures would be loose in baggies.
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Post by: BrookM
Update on the previous post in the comments section:
BrookM wrote:Posted less than an hour ago in the comments section by a US backer: Thought I'd let everyone know I received my box set today although none of the stretch goal rewards were included.
after reading your post I rechecked my box. My dice and figures were in the packing peanuts as you described. Whew! My postage was also the 26th.
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Post by: temprus
Update by person who thought he only got single starter:
.... after reading your post I rechecked my box. My dice and figures were in the packing peanuts as you described. Whew! My postage was also the 26th.
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Post by: Mad4Minis
Well...guess its time to keep an eye on the mail. Glad to hear stuff has started shipping.
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Post by: Necros
Yeah, also if anyone has any issues with your order like you got the wrong minis or whatever, your best bet would be to contact GameCraft directly
http://gamesalute.squarespace.com/contact/
If you just email me, all I can do is forward it to them anyway
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Post by: Bolognesus
Got my package today in the Netherlands.
Well, whatever you might have against game salute, I think the packaging is pretty decent. The box was stuffed sufficiently full of packing peanuts to make sure the dice (all 20 of them, in my case) and stretch goal models could not bounce around in the box.
On to the gang box itself: well, no shrinkwrap. /care, as far as I'm concerned everything, and I mean everything (individual models, cards for the gang, cards for the stretch minis) has it's own zip- loc bag. that's good - those are actually useful, as opposed to just a strain on the environment
The foam, well... it's BF-like density, so while it's AOK for keeping unassembled models safe, new, in the box - it's not going to be of much other use. Feth, you could just about beat someone's skull in with a block of this stuff, it's that hard - no good for storing minis. Not a problem as far as I'm concerned - it's bloody good packaging for what could just as well have been just tossed in a box half it's size!
OTOH - I can't imagine this was as cheap as just some vacformed insert with a couple of generic square compartments to drop components in like GW metal kits, for example.
Perhaps either make us pay a little more for cut foam as you mentioned earlier, or just not use foam at all? oh well, not really my problem
The minis: well, it looks okay. I don't have enough time to go over all eight extensively - I'll probably look them over somewhere next week for casting defects etc then just keep them until the KS round 2 rewards show up - not much use playing just one gang without something to shoot at now, is there?
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Post by: BrookM
Here's hoping mine show up on Wednesday!
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Post by: Bolognesus
Oh Brook, they came by regular PostNL delivery I believe, so you'll probably have them soonish for sure.
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Post by: Mad4Minis
We got ours today. Everything looks great. Minis are nice, cards are crisp and clean...and the dice...much nicer than I thought they would be. Makes me wish I had ordered some extras.
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Post by: Vain
I honestly can't recall what I ordered in the end (I really hope I didnt flake out and miss a step)
I look forward to seeing what I went with when they come in.
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Post by: BrookM
 Bolognesus wrote:Oh Brook, they came by regular PostNL delivery I believe, so you'll probably have them soonish for sure.
That's what worries me, they are not the most reliable of postal services, but I do hope that I'll get it on Wednesday and call it done.
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Post by: Necros
We might have a few extra dice left over at the end If so we'll sell the extras to backers only, till they're gone. Won't know till everything is shipped out though, and I want to keep a handful for myself for demos
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Post by: Catyrpelius
Necros wrote:We might have a few extra dice left over at the end If so we'll sell the extras to backers only, till they're gone. Won't know till everything is shipped out though, and I want to keep a handful for myself for demos
Do you happen to know when they expect to have everything shipped out?
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Post by: Cyporiean
Got my stuff today.
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BrookM wrote:That's what worries me, they are not the most reliable of postal services, but I do hope that I'll get it on Wednesday and call it done.
Compared with the recent 'small' companies delivering mostly UK packages, they're heaven incarnate
Funny though; US backers and EU backers are receiving their stuff in generally the same timeframe. Was GameSalute actually savvy enough to post EU stuff first? that doesn't jive with a lot we've heard of their business practices 
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Post by: Necros
No, but I'll ask. I hate making assumptions with them because whenever I do I'm wrong, but I would assume that since a lot of folks are getting their stuff now, everyone should be getting their orders this week or next at the latest. Not including tomorrow with the holiday though.
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Post by: Catyrpelius
Bolognesus wrote: BrookM wrote:That's what worries me, they are not the most reliable of postal services, but I do hope that I'll get it on Wednesday and call it done.
Compared with the recent 'small' companies delivering mostly UK packages, they're heaven incarnate
Funny though; US backers and EU backers are receiving their stuff in generally the same timeframe. Was GameSalute actually savvy enough to post EU stuff first? that doesn't jive with a lot we've heard of their business practices
The last week or so I've noticed that the USPS has been pretty slow, most likely from the backlog from the holidays.
I hope my stuff shows up today.
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Post by: Necros
me too
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Post by: Bolognesus
Well it was only 250 backers; you can't *possibly* run a warehouse with guys who can't fulfill 110 of this kind of pledge in a day with three of them and expect to not go down in flames within a year so I can't imagine they wouldn't have it all shipped. Then again, if they're as... peculiar... as was suggested, well 
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Post by: Catyrpelius
Not that I'm going to be able to paint it anytime soon..... I unfortunatly have to much stuff ahead of it 
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Post by: Necros
Right now I'm balancing doing demo terrain for the game, painting demo figs, a new Necron megaforce I just had to buy, and then Sedition Wars and my Dreamforge leviathan right around the corner, and the newer Dust Tactics starter set, and a small Khador army. Then there's my half done lizardmen and night goblin armies.. never enough time and cool new stuff keeps coming out :(
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Post by: Alfndrate
Bolognesus wrote:Well it was only 250 backers; you can't *possibly* run a warehouse with guys who can't fulfill 110 of this kind of pledge in a day with three of them and expect to not go down in flames within a year so I can't imagine they wouldn't have it all shipped. Then again, if they're as... peculiar... as was suggested, well
Cyporiean and Miskatonicalum package all of On the Lamb Games models. They're a two person operation. And they've managed to get their stuff shipped out 
Many were an afternoon where one of them would say, " brb gonna go pack things" and leave me with EFT class creation.
Necros, glad people are getting your stuff, hopefull the second KS goes quicker
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Post by: Catyrpelius
I need to paint up one of every box for the Prussians and FSA for Dystopian Legions and learn how to play it by the first week in february. I need to build a Mega Battle Board for Brushfire by the first week in febuary plus build and paint as many of my models for that game as I can. Then I need to finish all the new SDE stuff by the end of febuary and try and get Sedition Wars done as well. Hopefully I'll be able to sneak in some BWG...
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Post by: Bolognesus
I just had a chat with Game Salute's warehouse boss. All but 17 orders have been shipped. The last few will go out on Wednesday Jan 2. Shipping companies have stopped for the day due to the holiday, so Game Salute will get the rest sent out Wednesday morning. Some of you have even been getting your orders already
However, a one last little issue, those last 17 orders were held back because the warehouse ran out of buildings kits. Need to order more from GameCraft and it may take a couple of weeks to get them. So what's going to happen is Game Salute is going to send the orders out as is. If you get your minis, and the buildings you ordered aren't there, rest assured that Game Salute will send the buildings out separately as soon as the new batch arrives. No additional shipping fee either We decided to split those few orders into 2 shipments just because you've all been waiting so long and it wouldn't be right to make you wait a whole 2-3 more weeks while everyone but you is getting their minis.
Thank you all for your patience, we're finally almost done for real this time
Tim
Smart. Builds a little goodwill that GS might be lacking in, again. Right call!
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Post by: temprus
I got KS1's set today which means it probably arrived Saturday. Glad I saw note about looking in the foam nuts for the extras. I like the box, especially how each side shows a different picture. Since the minis were bagged, I liked the foam inserts rather than a plastic tub. The minis each have a minor vent or two but no flashing. Well pleased.
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
Mine arrived in good ole blighty today, so cheers Necros. Will be putting them together asap. Look very good up close, and like the quick start rules.
Will need to get a book once its out, I appreciate the free PDF, but I like to have a physical copy to hand.
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Post by: RiTides
They must have shipped the international boxes first, then. Good call  (although it would've made sense to say so )
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Post by: Todosi
I still haven't even received my pledge survey email. :(
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Post by: Necros
From the new campaign? it hasn't been sent yet. It's not going to be the generic Kickstarter survey, they're building a special pledge manager website that will be better for handling add-on items and shipping. Right now they're focusing on getting the original campaign finished up so I'm assuming the pledge manager emails will go out soon. No real rush at the moment though, since we still haven't even finished sculpting yet
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Post by: Mad4Minis
Necros wrote:We might have a few extra dice left over at the end If so we'll sell the extras to backers only, till they're gone. Won't know till everything is shipped out though, and I want to keep a handful for myself for demos
Please let me know, Id like to get 10-15 more.
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Post by: BrookM
FedEx man just dropped off my box, it's all there.
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Post by: Todosi
Ah! I misunderstood. Color me embarrassed and thanks for the info.
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Post by: MagickalMemories
Every day that goes by, I get more and more jealous of those who have received their stuff.
I only ordered models, and I'm chomping at the bit to get started painting them.
Eric
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Post by: Gymnogyps
Mine arrived today, and it had my buildings! I was convinced I was one of the dread 17 whose building would be delayed... for once I was not on the short list for crap to happen! YAY!
The minis are really nice, as are the cards, though a couple of the cards look like they were shifted up a bit when cut (so the top is cut short). But, all info is there. Minis have lots of character and detail looks really good.
The buildings are fantastic... I'm going to actually build them tonight, because they look great and also look easy to assemble!
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Post by: Necros
here's the official word from Game Salute
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Post by: Catyrpelius
All of my stuff arrived yesterday, it wasn't a plesent suprise.
I got to give you credit, you may have been a bit behind in your delivery but what you delivered was very nice. The models are amazing and the buildings are fantastic.
I'm not sure I'd recommend continuing with the battlefoam foam things. They are a nice touch but I'm just going to throw them out.
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Post by: BrookM
Only thing missing was Lee's rifle, but I fixed that with a spare bandolier from Victoria miniatures.
Some of the minis are a pain to assemble and take quite some cleaning as flash and vents are in annoying places.
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Post by: Necros
Sorry you were missing the rifle. If you contact Game Salute they can send you the missing piece.
For the foam, we were originally going to have a mini battlefoam tray in the box, that could have eventually been used in a custom sized bag, but the mini trays were too pricey and would have drove up the retail price higher than I wanted it to go. So we just went with the foam sheets. I'd imagine as the line grows and we start producing a lot more we will probably have to change over to something like a clear plastic snap shut box kinda thing, like GW or Privateer used to use, unless the foam ends up being cheaper. Still have to look into it.
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Post by: BrookM
No, I already covered it up with a bandolier.
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Post by: porkuslime
it was not a pleasant suprise? what made it unpleasant?
I know I got a wrong gang in mine, but Gamesalute is sending me the replacement gang and a label to mail the incorrect one back..
-P
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Post by: Necros
Yeah, there were a couple of hiccups with a couple of orders but luckily it was just a few. Hoping things will go much smoother for the next one
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Post by: MagickalMemories
Where/How do I contact Game Salute? My models from the first Kickstarter still haven't arrived, and I want to be sure they were sent.
Thanks.
Eric
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Post by: Necros
You can call 888--57-GAMES or email warehouse@gamesalute.com
they said all US orders should be delivered by Jan 11th, or 18th overseas.
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Post by: sparkywtf
I got mine yesterday. It all looked great so far.
I found one miscast part (one of the guns for the addons). Checking the rest of the stuff out now.
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Post by: RiTides
 porkuslime wrote:
it was not a pleasant suprise? what made it unpleasant?
I know I got a wrong gang in mine, but Gamesalute is sending me the replacement gang and a label to mail the incorrect one back..
-P
I have to think he meant "was" instead of "wasn't", since everything he said after that was positive (except about the delay).
Otherwise I don't understand it either
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Post by: MagickalMemories
Thanks for that.
I'll be miserable, but I'll hold out for the 11th, then.
Eric
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Post by: sparkywtf
Upon further inspection, I am just an idiot. No miscasts. I should have looked closer to the little metal sprue. Can't wait to get the models primed and painted! It could be the first game I actually ever finishing painting!
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Post by: Gymnogyps
I built all my guys today, and the casts were good. A little bit of flash, some vents, the normal stuff. I really like the extra bits that came with the Hired Gun guys!
Buildings were built earlier this week, and OMG I love them... they really are perfect for this game!
My order was actually short several buildings and a rule book. I contacted GamSalute and a second package was sent the same day, scheduled for delivery today! Massive kudos to GameSalute for responsiveness! 
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Post by: Necros
Here's some screenshots for the final digital sculpts for Wilde's Rangers
It's in the Dakka gallery, so you can click the image if you want to zoom in and stuff.
I'll just post the final sculpts here since that's more newsworthy, but if you want to see more I'm posting WIP shots from the sculptors as I get them in the game forum here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/495549.page
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Post by: MagickalMemories
Man, that's going to be a sharp looking group.
Eric
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Post by: Necros
So, a little bird just told me that they will probably be sending out the Pledge Manager links shortly
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Post by: Catyrpelius
In my comment it should have been a was not a wasn't...
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Post by: sparkywtf
got my pledge filled out! Hopefully I got my username right.
So tempted to add more, but oh so broke.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Well the pledge manager links have gone out,
but it seems they havn't put much thought into those living outside the USA
The address form seems to require a US State entry even if you are in a different country
It does not recognise a UK zip/postcode (or no zip/postcode at all either for countries that don't use them)
A UK phone number (or a UK phone number with the international dialing code added to it) is not acceptable
so I can't submit the form.
Oh well hopefully they'll get this sorted out quickly
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Post by: Necros
Great!
Looks like it's only working for US backers right now, some address issues for international folks. Hopefully they can fix it quick.
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yeah, we were all testing from the US and I guess no one noticed that the state was required .. but it sounds like an easy fix.
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Post by: Alpharius
Form keeps crashing over 'phone number format'.
I've no freaking idea what mystery format they need it to be in...
Since I can't get past that, I'm not sure if there's another section where I'll be asked exactly what gangs I'd like to receive...
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Post by: sparkywtf
 Alpharius wrote:Form keeps crashing over 'phone number format'.
I've no freaking idea what mystery format they need it to be in...
Since I can't get past that, I'm not sure if there's another section where I'll be asked exactly what gangs I'd like to receive...
I just did straight numbers, no formatting. It autoformatted to the wanted version when I went to the next box
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Post by: Alpharius
Not doing that for me, and it will NOT let me past that point.
Weird!
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UPDATE!
It isn't working for me in FIREFOX, so I switched to Explorer (Ack!) and it worked fine...
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Post by: DaveC
Yep I've got around the issue with international addresses by swapping to Chrome from Firefox and it seems to let you leave the state and Zip code boxes blank however I can't get around the telephone number as it seems to be in a US format that my number won't fit no matter what I try.
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Post by: Necros
they're working on it Will be making the state field not required, and allow more characters for the zip/postal code and the phone #. Hopefully that will take care of the majority of issues
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
The issues I had have been sorted out (so thanks to game salute there)
although I found I still had to enter something in the state/ province box I was able to use my county
(I also found it didn't work in IE or firefox... But in Chrome it submitted fine)
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Post by: DaveC
Thanks Orlando finally got it to work using Chrome by re-entering my city again in the state box and it accepted none in the Zip/Post code box as we don't use post codes here.
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Post by: Mad4Minis
How long is the manager going to stay open? Id like to add on a bit, but wont have the money until next friday.
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Post by: Necros
I'll ask just to be sure .. I'd hope at least another week or so. Not everyone gets the emails in time. Hell I had one guy just email me a week ago about the old campaign, he forgot all about it and never got the email since everything from KS was coming up as junk mail for him.
But I think they will want to close it pretty soon.. it's going to take a while to order some stuff. Like last time it took something like 9-10 weeks to get all the dice made. But who knows.. maybe they'll just order extras but keep the manager up for good for any stragglers that come along..?
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Post by: BrookM
Question to all non-US backers of the first campaign, has your FedEx bill come in yet?
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Post by: Bolognesus
How do you mean? I have my shipment if that's what you mean?
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Post by: BrookM
Expect a letter from FedEx soon with some extra charges..
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Post by: Bolognesus
Well they can, to use a complicated legal term, go snuff it as far as I'm concerned. On what grounds do they expect you to actually pay?
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Post by: BrookM
Because the box contained "delen bowlinginstallatie, draagbare spelcomputer met beeldscherm, tafels v casinospellen" or in English.. "Parts of a bowling installation, portable gaming console with screen, tables for casino games"
So, that's almost €10 over something they declared as $30
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Post by: Catyrpelius
 BrookM wrote:Because the box contained "delen bowlinginstallatie, draagbare spelcomputer met beeldscherm, tafels v casinospellen" or in English.. "Parts of a bowling installation, portable gaming console with screen, tables for casino games"
So, that's almost €10 over something they declared as $30
Damn your box must have been considerably bigger then mine.
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Post by: BrookM
It was a big box, had zero weight to it and was unopened, I guess they did a blind check then?
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Post by: Bolognesus
BrookM wrote:Because the box contained "delen bowlinginstallatie, draagbare spelcomputer met beeldscherm, tafels v casinospellen" or in English.. "Parts of a bowling installation, portable gaming console with screen, tables for casino games"
So, that's almost €10 over something they declared as $30
None of which means you have to pay them. If they were holding the package hostage you'd have little choice (practically at the very least) but really? You just accepted a package without agreeing to pay that - they actually don't have much to work with to make you pay. Well, whatever you like - but if/when I get such a letter they'll be in for a... colourful reply.
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Post by: BrookM
Bolognesus wrote: BrookM wrote:Because the box contained "delen bowlinginstallatie, draagbare spelcomputer met beeldscherm, tafels v casinospellen" or in English.. "Parts of a bowling installation, portable gaming console with screen, tables for casino games"
So, that's almost €10 over something they declared as $30
None of which means you have to pay them. If they were holding the package hostage you'd have little choice (practically at the very least) but really? You just accepted a package without agreeing to pay that - they actually don't have much to work with to make you pay. Well, whatever you like - but if/when I get such a letter they'll be in for a... colourful reply.
If it happens, I hope yours is easier to read, mine is faded as all feth, they were probably too stingy to buy new toner or something.
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Post by: Bolognesus
I'll let you know if it gets here.
Hell, I might do a video response, just for them come to think of it
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Post by: Mad4Minis
BrookM wrote: Bolognesus wrote: BrookM wrote:Because the box contained "delen bowlinginstallatie, draagbare spelcomputer met beeldscherm, tafels v casinospellen" or in English.. "Parts of a bowling installation, portable gaming console with screen, tables for casino games"
So, that's almost €10 over something they declared as $30
None of which means you have to pay them. If they were holding the package hostage you'd have little choice (practically at the very least) but really? You just accepted a package without agreeing to pay that - they actually don't have much to work with to make you pay. Well, whatever you like - but if/when I get such a letter they'll be in for a... colourful reply.
If it happens, I hope yours is easier to read, mine is faded as all feth, they were probably too stingy to buy new toner or something.
Perhaps they were hoping that if you had trouble reading it you would be more likely to just pay up and move along. Sadly, there are some people who fall for that kind of thing.
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Post by: Necros
Howdy Folks!
So I just wanted to announce that Feb 1st, 2013 will be the official retail release date for Blackwater Gulch! It will be available in fine game shops all over. You can find stores that carry or can order BWG at GameStoreLocator.com, or you can order them directly from the source at shop.GameSalute.com.
The initial release will include The Clancy Gang Starter Set, The Vigilance Committee Starter Set, Los Bandidos Mexicanos Starter Set, The Bloodwolf Tribe Starter Set, Hired Guns: Desperados Support Pack and the full color Blackwater Gulch Rulebook. We actually sold out of our Hired Guns already! getting more made now
Next order of business, seems a bunch of backers for the new campaign never got the email from Kickstarter for the Pledge Manager update. So, here's a link to it. It's only open to backers, not for the public (sorry!)
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/springboard/blackwater-gulch-rebels-and-reinforcements/posts/383771
Lastly, I finally got the shipment of figures for the pro-painted gangs from the first campaign. They look really great. I'll be sending those orders out on Saturday
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I suspect some got the update but are deliberatly not acting on it so they can 'add more money at KS prices' when they have it
You can see some quite clear examples in the relic knights discussions of this
you'll also have the usuall lost emails, and the 'we'll that project's finished I don't need to read this' bunch
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Post by: Bolognesus
That link in the update gives me this: "ERROR: We couldn't find your form. Please check the URL and try again. "
(I had it open on my iPad a few days ago - didn't fill it in then because it'd be easier on a desktop I thought, and I couldn't find how to upgrade pledge level. I'm considering bumping $30 to $100 but not in add-ons; I'd like the pledge level. how do I do that?)
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Post by: filbert
Do Game Salute have UK distro or are we poor plebs forced to pay US shipping rates?
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Post by: Mad4Minis
Congrats on going to retail...hope it brings much success.
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Post by: Necros
Hmm that's strange, the link works for me though.. try it again, maybe it was something funky with the interwebs for a sec?
I do know a few US distributors are carrying it, but I don't know about the ones in Europe. But I do know a couple of stores were going to stock the game. There was one in Germany that I was talking to, Pumika... http://www.pumika.de/shop/modellbau-tabletop/blackwater-gulch/
But you should be able to find others on GameStoreLocator.com
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Post by: The_Stormrider
I figured I'd post here since I haven't gotten any response from gamesalute. I still have not received my rewards from the original kickstarter. I have been out of town for a few weeks dealing with a personal matter but my house was attended to someone was at my home. I emailed gamesalute again tonight but was hoping that perhaps Necros you might make mention of it. It was frustrating to see the miniatures for sale at Black Diamond Games in concord today (maybe he also pledged?) when I have not yet seen mine. I was understanding of the delays in production and packaging but I expect that this will be resolved. To hear nothing back after my first email was disappointing.
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Post by: MagickalMemories
That's odd. Every time I emailed them, I heard back the next business day.
I've heard the stories about them and, while I wish they'd been more pro-active about my situation (they didn't have an address for me, though, somehow, they had my order and knew what I was getting), I was satisfied with the level of communication I received.
I'm going to ask the typical stupid question; Have you checked your spam folder?
Regardless, I hope you get your models.
Eric
P.S. Necros, I sure hope your packaging gets updated when you need to order more. With the pics on the front of these boxes, I'd have never bought them off of the shelf - they don't do the models justice.
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Post by: Necros
Sorry you haven't gotten your order yet. I'm not sure what the issue could have been. But, you should send an email to warehouse@gamesalute.com and they should be able to sort it out. Include your name and address, your pledge level and what you ordered, and also your kickstarter user name too. And yes also check your spam folder and add their email to your address book too just in case. I thought the only ones left were the pro painted gangs, and I personally sent those out myself on saturday and monday.
I agree about the boxes. I had to paint those figures myself, because we didn't have time to wait around even longer for pro painters. Once we run out of boxes we'll be doing them in a different format too, but for now it is what it is
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Post by: Empchild
Necros wrote:Sorry you haven't gotten your order yet. I'm not sure what the issue could have been. But, you should send an email to warehouse@gamesalute.com and they should be able to sort it out. Include your name and address, your pledge level and what you ordered, and also your kickstarter user name too. And yes also check your spam folder and add their email to your address book too just in case. I thought the only ones left were the pro painted gangs, and I personally sent those out myself on saturday and monday.
I agree about the boxes. I had to paint those figures myself, because we didn't have time to wait around even longer for pro painters. Once we run out of boxes we'll be doing them in a different format too, but for now it is what it is
Damn pro painters!!! I will say great models that paint up easily which in my eyes is always a plus.
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Post by: MagickalMemories
Necros wrote:I agree about the boxes. I had to paint those figures myself, because we didn't have time to wait around even longer for pro painters. Once we run out of boxes we'll be doing them in a different format too, but for now it is what it is
Honestly, the paint job is only part of the problem. There's a focus problem on the pics, too.
I mean, don't get me wrong... the paint jobs don't help. LOL - Don't take that the wrong way, BTW. If you remember, I had no intention of supporting the initial KS because my group only plays 40K... you and your models convinced me, however, and I ended up supporting BOTH KS's, talking my group into playing the game, AND one guy in my group just dropped a couple hundred bucks on building kits. So, yeah... LOL... I'm a fan. : ) I just meant that the pain jobs don't "sell" the minis, either.
So, if you don't mind spilling the beans, what's the new format? Since you said it was a new format, rather than new pics, I'm presuming you'll go with an illustration? Maybe the art from the KS? Will the boxes still have pics on them of what the models actually look like?
Eric
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The new format will be on the new gang boxes.. basically the same as it is now, just vertical instead of horizontal. Some kind of gaming market research says that works best on the store shelf I want to do a model photo on the front since that's what all the other minis companies do, but they'll also be pro-painted with some better scenery. We could do art on the front and minis on the back, but I think models on the front works best for minis.
And then we're going to do 3-man support packs and single hired guns in a smaller box, about the size of a deck of cards but thicker. Decided to do the hired guns all separate going forward because they're more about adding that 1 extra special guy to your gang, not buying 2 guys you don't want just to get the 1 that you do. And the gatling gun will be in a small box too
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Post by: MagickalMemories
That sounds cool.
Personally, I prefer the models on the front of the box, so what you're doing is GREAT IMO. I'd much rather see pro painted models on the front than art on the front and unpainted examples on the back.
Very cool.
I'm looking forward to getting my stuff from the second KS, now.
They were coming out in Feb., right? The first week? Tomorrow?
; )
Eric
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Post by: Necros
No idea when.. we have till July I'm thinking and hoping it'll be like April/may or so. As usual sculpting is taking a long time. Hoping to have everything sculpted by the end of Feb. Then printing will take a while, so no idea when the new stuff will be ready for retail but I'm hoping for Gencon at the latest.
Planning out some gencon events now. Gonna be doing demos the whole time, also thinking about doing a train robbery event with long & thin board with train tracks down the middle, and like 8-10 people bring their own 5 man gang and whoever is the last one standing wins something.
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Post by: MagickalMemories
"The Battle for Blackwater Depot!"
LOL
I can see it now... a huge board with train tracks going straight down the middle, maybe raised up a few inches above the level of the rest of the board. The gangs face off across from each other.
Do you kill the guy across from you, or team up with the people on your side, take out the other side, then fight it out amongst yourselves at the end?
How long do treaties and agreements last? Will you honor your bargain or take out your "friends" as soon as they turn their backs?
The last gang standing has successfully defended/overtaken the depot and, saved (or stolen) the shipment of gold on its' way to Fort Lixx.
Those kinds of battles are always the best. It's how we used to play Chainmail years ago, when it was new, fresh and popular.
Eric
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Yeah, I'm gonna have to hang out at the train shop with the grumpy old guys so I can find and old timey train to use. I was going to make it a 2'x8' board with a train going straight across dividing the board in half.. or maybe corner to corner to make it interesting. And I'll have the train move something like 6" every game turn. But as the engine moves and enough spaces is behind it we'll add a new car to the back of it, so eventually it will take up a big chunk of space. But if you can aim at someone between the cars or under them then that counts as a heavy cover shot
I was going to suggest that people mostly try and fight the guy across from them.. but maybe teams would work better? And you have to bring your own gang of 5 BWG models and use the pre-made characters. I'll also have a few extras for people that don't have models. Maybe if you bring your own you get extra points?
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Post by: rosafari
Sounds fantastic - be sure to have some ladders and open box cars too, so players can get onto and through the train, otherwise the two sides will be too isolated.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
You need a gattling gun hidden in a random boxcar for a gang to use of they're willing to take the risk of opening the doors up
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Post by: Necros
I was planning to have a box car with a gatling gun inside.. or a flatbed car with one on top.. whoever gets to it can use it. And another car with crates of TNT, if you're next to a crate you can throw sticks of dynamite at people
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Post by: Necros
Got some new stuff to share... Just got the Pro Paint today for Kurt Wyatt We went with a more traditional color scheme for him instead of the movie's all black look, since that might have come out look kind of dull or boring on a mini.
And we got some new sculpts going.. Here is Jule from the Tranquility Crew by James Van Schaik
And here is Clinton Wales by Brother Vinni
And here is Chiang of the Secret Fist WIP 3D sculpt by Steve Eserin. Might be a few tweaks to him, we might have to make the elbows be a the joint so he can cast properly so he might get some kind of elbow pads, or halfy sleeves on his shirt.
The pics are all in the dakka gallery, so you can click them for bigger versions
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So Vinni isn't dead, and is just completely ignoring us?
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
You should as Nosegoblin how he's contacting Vinnie
(maybe it's just a bag of cash and an art direction and he doe'snt actually TALK to him at all)
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Yeah he's still alive, just need to keep emailing him. I think he's just super backed up with work.
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Post by: Cyporiean
Necros wrote:Yeah he's still alive, just need to keep emailing him. I think he's just super backed up with work.
Been doing that daily for over a month now, it's getting ridiculous that he can't hit reply. :/
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Post by: Necros
Yeah.. took him a while to get this sculpt done, he did mention that he just moved recently so I guess he's just been busier than ever. I guess just keep trying.
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Post by: Empchild
He definitely looks better with your photography . I love the new sculpts btw.
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Post by: MagickalMemories
Necros wrote:I was planning to have a box car with a gatling gun inside.. or a flatbed car with one on top.. whoever gets to it can use it. And another car with crates of TNT, if you're next to a crate you can throw sticks of dynamite at people
Can they also shoot at those crates to blow you up?
That would be hilarious.
I think rules for jumping on the train would be awesome. I can just picture gangs fighting ON the train.
Very cool.
Eric
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Post by: sparkywtf
Be cool to have a gang or 2 protecting the train too (so its cops vs robbers). But they wouldn't be able to move around really as they are already going to be moving every turn as the train goes
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Post by: Necros
We just submitted our events for GenCon. Planning on the same thing for both friday and saturday..
1-5pm will be 4 1-hour blocks for demo/intro games. These will be 2 1-on-1 games where you and a friend or stranger can play the game and I'll talk you through the rules as you go. We'll supply the minis and everything you need. We'll leave out some of the more advanced rules like morale, and mostly just focus on the core mechanics. Mostly meant for new players.
then from 6-8 PM we'll have the Gang War game both nights. This will be a 4-on-4 team game, 5 models (1 starter gang) per side, or maybe 6 models to throw in a hired gun for each. The object is just to wipe out the other side, last team standing wins. Points will be awarded for taking out enemies, holding objectives or collecting loot. Whoever gets the most points at the end wins a special prize, plus glory and fame. This winner could be someone on the losing team if he happened to score enough points before getting wiped out. This game will be on a 8' x 2' board (well, 8 x however wide the table is), with a train going down the middle if I can get a suitable model in time. We can supply the minis and everything else, but if you bring your own fully painted gang of BWG minis you will get extra points New players welcome, but experience will help make things go smoother
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Post by: Necros
So, Game Salute has closed down the Pledge Manager. They're going to be gathering up everyone's orders so we know what we need and start ordering the 3rd party stuff. I know last time around it took a good 8-9 weeks to get the dice made, buildings took just as long. Hopefully when they're done we'll also have a bunch of figures ready to go too so we can start sending some orders out early Automatically Appended Next Post: oh .. 1 more thing. I have an explosive new scenario I'm going to be finishing up in the next week or so that will be a downloadable PDF. Planning to add something new like that, or a painting or modeling guide or whatever else at least once every month. If anyone has any ideas or suggestions for what you'd like to see let me know
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Can you please PM me a timeline of when this stuff will be in stores? I'd like to hurry up and get some stuff up and running. I have a few people interested in the game and I want to demo some right before it comes to stores.
So far, my Reaper crews are up and running, but it would be more fitting to have either some boxes, or some figures along for the look.
Miner 49'er Vs claim Jumpers is always a good one. I took some pebbles and glued them to the smaller square bases and painted them gold. Spread them around the table and run those varments off, while you run around the table gathering up the gold. Easy, quick, and has a good feel to it. You can easily teach basics, and have a work out with the combat rules.
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Post by: Necros
Everything from the original campaign is in stores now Not quite sure which stores are actively stocking it yet, but at the very least you can find a list of stores that could order it at GameStoreLocator.com.
I'm hoping we can have all of the new box sets from the new campaign ready for retail in time for GenCon in August. After that I'm hoping we can start doing regular releases with new figures coming out each month.
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Post by: MagickalMemories
Necros wrote:So, Game Salute has closed down the Pledge Manager. They're going to be gathering up everyone's orders so we know what we need and start ordering the 3rd party stuff. I know last time around it took a good 8-9 weeks to get the dice made, buildings took just as long. Hopefully when they're done we'll also have a bunch of figures ready to go too so we can start sending some orders out early
So, if we hadn't filled out the pledge manager, they'll be contacting us?
I'm only asking because I don't know which ones I'm getting yet. I won't know until after all of the sculpts are finished, as I can be a bit picky. For example, I was going to get Bloodwolves in the last KS, but decided against it, once I saw the sculpts. So, at this time, i don't know which crews I want. The only one I'm certain about are the Rangers.
Or, are you saying that they'll just be checking on add-ons?
Thanks.
Eric
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They closed it so they can start figuring out how many of each item we're going to need. But they also said they will be contacting everyone manually who didn't use the pledge manager so you'll probably get an email or KS message from Game Salute soon
I'm hoping we'll have most of the sculpts done by the end of the month.. that was my deadline, let's see which sculptors decide to be late ... The only one that might be late for sure is the Widowmakers, they ended up getting handed around a bunch.. they went from the very top of the list to the very bottom. Hopefully saving the best for last then...
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Post by: MagickalMemories
LOL They're one of the ones I am waiting to see.
Thanks for the time frame.
Eric
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Post by: Necros
Just got the screenshots for the rest of the Secret Fist .. here they are Still some minor tweaks to do but this is pretty much how they'll look. It's a Dakka gallery image so you can click it to zoom in and stuff...
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
If I may?
The lady's face screams caucasian, for some reason. I think her features are a bit too strong.
And her boots, can we square the toe a bit and make it less of a bulge? It looks like she is wearing modern combat boots, more than anything.
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Post by: Necros
Yep 1 step ahead of ya. Boots are going to be more cowgirlish. I think the artwork had them more like a laced-up ladylike boot but it got lost in translation.
Still have to add the bottom tabs and the separate some of the arms. After that we'll have the Widowmakers done soon after The art for them was a little more modern, so expect some more trench coats and more westerny things for them too.
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Post by: MagickalMemories
Nice looking models, but not my cup of tea.
Speaking of bottom tabs... You might want to use smaller tabs. Every model I got with the first Kickstarter (18 of them) had foot tabs that were wider than the base. I had to trim all of the tabs to be about half as deep as they came... they just stuck out from the bottom of the base.
Eric
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Post by: Necros
Yeah, noticed that too. We're fixing that with the new sculpts, so newer ones won't be like that. For the 3D sculpts though we're making the tab longer so that we can add extra bitz to it if we need to.. like Corporal Thompson in Wilde's Rangers will have his rifle attached to the tab. Makes it so we can do each figure as a 1-piece cast instead of needing extra mini-sprues that drive up the costs a bit and also could get lost or they could forget to add it to the box when they pack em up. Just more efficient all around. So you might have to trim some tabs on the sides but they shouldn't be taller than the bases anymore
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Post by: MagickalMemories
That's cool.
Longer would be absolutely fine with me. It makes sense. Also, it's easier to trim length than height. LOL
Good to know you're on it. Don't know why I didn't automatically assume that already were. : )
Eric
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Post by: Necros
Howdy folks!
We just put together an all new scenario for you to play, Boom Went the Dynamite. In this scenario, your gangs will be fighting over crates of dynamite and if you get close enough, you can toss sticks at your enemies!
This scenario was inspired by Aetherwork's terrain, namely their crates of TNT and carts. They also make a lot of great laser cut wood building kits too.
So, you can click below to download the PDF. Have fun!
http://blackwatergulch.com/blog/2013/02/new-scenario-boom-went-the-dynamite/
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Post by: Necros
GameCraft miniatures just put together a new set of laser cut wood store signs personalized for Blackwater Gulch, they should work great for any building kit out there
http://store.gcmshop.com/p/1905/old-west-signs-blackwater-gulch-28mwest100-1
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
Is a bunk house where one would bunk, or to buy bunk (train fuel)?
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Post by: Empchild
Those are pretty cool signs... me thinks an order is inbound as I finally have my gaming table back!
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
In Western usage 'Bunk House' refers to either
a building on a ranch where the hired hands (cowboys) sleep, usually in a single open room with multiple beds
or less commonly in a town to a building where you can hire a bed for a night at much lower prices than a hotel (again this may well be a single room with muliple beds, but could have blankets/cloths hung up to act as 'walls)
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Post by: Necros
Yeah it's basically like a hostel nowadays.
Guess we need a story about a bunk house where travelers stay and then get drugged and kidnapped by supermodel grils and little kids that work for candy. They wake up in a crusty old werehouse where mean skinwalkers chop them up and eat them for sport.
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
Well, that escalated quickly.
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Post by: Necros
Celebrate International Tabletop Day at Little Shop of Magic in Las Vegas this Saturday!
Mike Edmunds will be running some special games of Blackwater Gulch. Lots of gunfights and the Clint Eastwood Challenge, see how many henchmen he can kill before someone takes him down!
So stop by and play if you're in the area!
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Post by: Necros
We now have all of the sculpts done for all of the new figures from the last Kickstarter, except for 1 from the Tranquility Crew we're still waiting on. Here's the most recent WIP shots.. some will still be tweaked a bit .. the pics are in the Dakka gallery so you can click them to enlarge
Widowmakers
Clinton Wales
Shamus McFox
Doc Lloyd
Rooster Morrison
Dr. Kilmer
Reverend Sheppard, Tranquility Crew
Captain Reinhold, Tranquility Crew
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Post by: Necros
We got photos of the last sculpt for the Tranquility Crew today, Adam James. He was the last figure we needed for the last gang and for the Kickstarter campaign.
Here's pics of each sculpt. From top to bottom we have Captain Nathan Reinholdt, Dr. Simmons, Adam James, Julie the ship's mechanic and Reverend Shepard. The whole gang was sculpted by James Van Schaik.
Also, we have the character cards all ready to go for the gang, click below to download a PDF, if you want to see what they can do!
http://www.blackwatergulch.com/tranquility-crew/pdf/tranquility-crew-cards.pdf
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Post by: bbb
Looks good!
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Post by: Bellygrub
Nathans arm looks a little on the long side but otherwise the crew looks fantastic!
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Post by: Necros
Hey folks, got some pics of some new painted models
Here are the Dockside Drifters, followed by the hired guns Nevada Dave, Marshall Stewart and Father Al. Yep, I know I need a better pic of Al, but my camera battery died so I gotta wait for a recharge.
Anyhow, they're in the dakka gallery so you can click the pic for bigger versions. Next up I'll be working on the Secret Fist
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Post by: Mad4Minis
Where are things at as far as the Kickstarter pledges?
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Post by: Necros
Everything is right on schedule
We're ordering everything we need now. Iron Wind is about to start producing all of the minis and we'll have all of the 3rd party add-ons in stock soon. Backers that ordered the Battleflag building bundle will be getting their buildings separately, directly from Battleflag, but everything should be arriving around the same time.
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Awesome.
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Post by: Necros
Some day I'll actually have time to finish the redesign on my website that I started 3 months ago. For now, I'm doing 1 page at a time Here is the new Dockside Drifters gang bio page, along with a photo gallery and PDF for the character cards.
http://www.blackwatergulch.com/dockside-drifters/
Eventually going to allow players to send in photos of their own models to add to the photo galleries too. I'll have to see if there's a good automated way to do it with Flickr or Instragram or something.
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Post by: Necros
Hey folks, I posted a poll about the upcoming boxed game format over in the game forum, thought I'd cross post here. Check it out and vote Curious to see what you'd all like to see...
here it is:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/529402.page
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Post by: Necros
Howdy folks!
GenCon is fast approaching and I'm looking forward to meeting some of you and/or seeing you again!
For this year, I set up a few official demo events and multi-player Gang War events for Friday & Saturday.
Demos events will be 1 hour blocks from 1-4PM, for up to 4 players each and I'll personally teach you how to play. These games will be using 5-man starter gangs on a 2'x2' board, and it's intended to show you the basics of the game mechanics. The demo blocks will last for 1 hour each, but games won't last that long. You can probably play a couple of games in the time allotted. I'll supply all miniatures and other supplies or you can bring your own if you have them.
Gang Wars start at 6 PM and will be up-to-8 player games with 2 gangs of 20, each player will get a 5 man gang and form 2 4-on-4 teams. The game will be played on a cramped 2x8' board that should ensure maximum carnage. I might be able to make the board a little bigger, will depend on how much space is available. I'll supply all of the miniatures, but if you bring your own painted 5-man gang of BWG miniatures you will get extra points
Click here for a direct link to the events calendar if you'd like to sign up in advance
If the link doesn't work, you should be able to get to the list on GenCon's site if you just search for Blackwater Gulch
The games will not be in the dealer area, I'll have a special section in Game Salute's HQ in gaming hall "E".
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Post by: Bossk_Hogg
The real question is when are the Flying Zarconis being released?!
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Post by: Necros
Well, I made a stupid mistake.. apparently all of the events are already sold out! I didn't notice that.. They sold out within a week of them getting posted, but I never saw them till now and thought there were openings. Anyway, I don't know how GenCon handles it, but there should be openings if people drop out, and open gaming after the gang wars if anyone wants to walk up and play.
For the Zarconis.. we'll get to them soon I hope Have to wait till we get all of the new models done then I'll see if Game Salute will green light those sculpts and maybe a few new ones for the other gangs too
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Post by: Alfndrate
If people show up to your event with generic tickets equal to the monetary value of the tickets being sold for your event, you can accept those in place, but people that have the actual event ticket get first priority.
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Post by: MagickalMemories
Necros wrote:For the Zarconis.. we'll get to them soon I hope Have to wait till we get all of the new models done then I'll see if Game Salute will green light those sculpts and maybe a few new ones for the other gangs too
Seem to me that the Zarconis might just be a perfect gang to fit into a supernatural setting. Thinking about the "sideshow freaks" they tend to have around, as well as the myriad creepy things people associate with them... I would see them fitting in NICELY.
Heck, considering the "freaks," they could be an interesting band, indeed. Maybe they're allowed to take "monsters" as choices. Like, there must be 2 henchmen monsters per professional monster (I forget what you call them, off hand) and there must be less "monsters" than humans? Or, maybe there's an alternate human gang leader that allows you to overlook that rule or tweak it slightly?
Eric
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Or, they're specialized "monster hunters" and have specific anti-monster rules. Possibly with one or 2 "monster" choices that are actually "good" monsters.
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Yeah I was thinking they would get some creatures as circus sideshow freaks I was going to do it like "If Mr. Zarconi leads your gang, you may substitute any amount of henchmen for minions"
Minions are the supernatural henchmen, fiends are the professionals, and monsters are the gang leaders & hired gun types.
Only thing though is later on when we expand to undead stuff, zombies would be minions too.. dunno if they would really fit.
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Post by: MagickalMemories
Easily enough fixed by adding a word or two...
"If Mr. Zarconi leads your gang, you may substitute any amount of [living/non-undead] henchmen for minions"
Either that... or let the man have zombies. LOL Are zombies going to be any more powerful than minions?
Unless, of course, you're talking about "fluff" issues with mixing living & undead, which I get.
Maybe you can make a Mr. Zarconi undead version that can only take zombies for henchmen? You know, because HIS circus only performs at night. LOL
Eric
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that might work.. thinking now though maybe it will be better to make it 3 different races/factions.. So it would be Human, Beast or Undead. I was going to have beasts and undead lumped in together but it might just work better this way. Eventually there will be a 4th race for "people that live underground" with a pre-human race of baddies called Shonokins who I'm going to make kind of gobliny. Hmm .. cowboy night goblins? That'll be a long way off though, still doing some research and stuff. I'd like to try and do that one as a different type of board game though, more like an adventure game like Descent or space hulk, only in old abandoned mines. All the other rules would be the same though.
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Post by: MagickalMemories
only in old abandoned mines
...and they'd have gotten away with it, if it wasn't for those meddling kids!
Sounds fun.
Eric
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Just thought I would leave this here
Concept art I just got from Heath Foley, this is Croatoan, Alpha Werewolf and leader of The Wicked beast pack. He'll be the boss monster in the boxed game
The Wicked is a vicious skinwalker pack bent on destroying the civilizations of man and keeping the world as wild as can be, lead by an Alpha Werewolf known as Croatoan. No one knows how old he is, but his handywork dates back at least as far as the early colonies, where some hunters speculate he was associated with a local tribe of the same name. He was thought to be destroyed by the monster hunter John White at Roanoke 300 years ago.
Once a native medicine man, it is believed Croatoan acceped the Skinwalker curse to stop the white man from colonizing the new world, but even his great supernatural powers are not enough to halt progress. He often carries a large totem staff into battle, carved by his own clawed hands. His fur is caked with old blood, and he wears leather straps displaying bones of his prey hanging from his shoulders.
Croatian and his Wicked pack have set their sites upon Blackwater Gulch, and his pack has slowly been growing as they kidnap those who stray too far from town. There is something here that he wants, and he will not stop until he has his prize, or he is destroyed.
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Post by: Alpharius
Yeah, that's awesome!
I like where this is going!
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Love it love it love it!!!!
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Post by: Necros
Yeah I'm loving the way he came out We're still a ways away from really getting down to the development since Game Salute has several other projects to get out of the way first. So I figured I'll just get the ball rolling with a few concepts here and there in the meantime. I have the rules pretty much done, but a lot of fluff to write up still.
The boxed game will also have a werebear, cat and bird so I'll probably get those done up next.
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Post by: MagickalMemories
I think it looks good. To me, I think it has a little more "gnoll" look than werewolf... but that isn't a complaint.
I like the concept and 'fluff.'
He often carries a large totem staff into battle, carved by his own clawed hands.
So, did he LITERALLY carve it with his claws? If so, you might want to send a note to the sculptor that the totem should probably not be as nice & neat as it looks in the concept.
What kind of bird are you planning for the skinwalkers? Any ideas?
Eric
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Well I guess it should be "They say he carved it with his own hands" but yeah, I think it will be rougher looking in the end. But, I do love the idea of the totem wings really being blades, so maybe it's a totem battle axe? Maybe I'll just call it his totem weapon just to keep it simple. Will basically just be a sledge hammer as far as stats go.
Not sure what bird yet.. eventually I hope to do a lot of different ones. I'd like to do an eagle but maybe that's too obvious.. so maybe an owl or a condor kind of thing? But, I'm thinking it will be kind of like GW's lord of change where the wings are separate and he still has normal arms.
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Post by: MagickalMemories
I know you do a great amount of research, so I know I'm not telling you anything you don't know or wouldn't find on your own anyway, but, conversationally speaking, different animals have different meanings to Native Americans, in regards to totems; strength, wisdom, etc.
I had a book a long time ago that I got and intended to use for a shamanic druid that I never got around to playing. It had a list of animals - a hundred, at least- and what they meant as totems. If you get an idea what you want each model/character to be, that information could select the specifics for you (like, which bird to use).
Did a quick Google search:
http://www.google.com/#output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=native+american+totems+and+their+meaning&oq=native+american+totems+and+&gs_l=hp.3.0.0j0i22i30l3.1137.5843.0.7378.27.20.0.7.7.4.639.5780.2-15j3j0j2.20.0...0.0...1c.1.17.psy-ab.RM6E4pFz5LU&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.47883778,d.dmQ&fp=e6b77b9a3837525a&biw=1280&bih=611
Eric
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Thanks for the link .. that is kind of what I was going for .. different animal forms represent different things, if not in rules it would be in fluff at least. So if someone turns into a skinwalker, the animal they become will be like their personality.
A lot of people want their freedom, but still have that family bond, and that's why wolves are so common. Someone that was mean or manipulative might become a snake, or a rat if they were the type that would turn on their friends, or a bull or bison if they were a big & strong manly type, a wise old guy could become an owl.. stuff like that
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Post by: MagickalMemories
I like where you're going with that.
Eric
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Post by: Alfndrate
Since I gave WWX crap about having the natives being the animals, I'm going to do the same here (just so no one calls me a hypocrite ).
And here is how I determine how far down this rabbit hole I go: I may have missed it, but how does someone become a skinwalker? Will there be "civilized" skinwalkers, or is it completely relegated to the native Americans?
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Post by: Necros
Anyone can become one.. skinwalker = classic lycanthrope werewhatever. If you get attacked by one and live, chances are you're going to turn into one in a month or so.
So, Croatoan might be a former native american, but in their former life they they could have been cowboys, miners, lumberjacks, housewives or politicians
So some of them will have the native look, others might have the remains of a shreded duster hanging off their backs or a confederate officer's uniform or whatever else.
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Post by: Alfndrate
Necros wrote:Anyone can become one.. skinwalker = classic lycanthrope werewhatever. If you get attacked by one and live, chances are you're going to turn into one in a month or so.
So, Croatoan might be a former native american, but in their former life they they could have been cowboys, miners, lumberjacks, housewives or politicians
So some of them will have the native look, others might have the remains of a shreded duster hanging off their backs or a confederate officer's uniform or whatever else.
THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!
I don't need to go down this hole any more
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I'm eventually hoping to have tons of different ones over the years.. Some animal types will also be based on your region, so a werecroc or gator might be a cajuny guy that comes Louisiana. Someone also mentioned doing Asian inspired themes for Chinese railroad workers.
One thing I'm planning from a fluff perspective is once you change you never go back. Always thought it was kind of silly to just change back and forth all the time. I guess this would be more like a mutation that happens. Also for fluff I'm kind of on the fence about if I want to have them able to talk that would make things kind of cartooony, or if I should just keep them like beasts that can just understand each others growls. Leaning more toward the latter.
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Post by: Cyporiean
Well, since your not opposed to doing homage characters...
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Post by: MagickalMemories
Necros wrote:Anyone can become one.. skinwalker = classic lycanthrope werewhatever. If you get attacked by one and live, chances are you're going to turn into one in a month or so.
Presuming you have campaign rules one day, are you going to include rules for this, as well?
Eric Automatically Appended Next Post: Necros wrote:just keep them like beasts that can just understand each others growls
This.
This very much. Growls and "body language."
MAYBE they can understand language when spoken to them...
Are you keeping them intelligent? If so, there should be SOME sort of communication possible. I don't think this should be by speaking, though.
I mean, if they're as smart as they were in life, then they should be smart enough to communicate with basic signs, pointing, written language (when possible), etc. They should be able to surrender, etc. in a manner understandable to human, as well.
Eric
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Yeah that's what I was thinking.. basic sign language, growls, chirps, whatever. A skinwalker is still just as smart as the day he was turned, they just would rather eat people than go back to their boring job at the general store.
And yes, they will be in the campaign rules It'll be optional though, up to the GM or group to decide if they want to do that, since people will need the right models.
At the end of a game you make a casualty roll for everyone that was out of action. If someone was taken out by a skinwalker, there's a chance they will become one a few days later.. same deal with undead. So your favorite gang leader could turn into a brain eating zombie If a gang member gets turned into something, their XP gets set back to 0 and they start over as their new race, but can stay in the gang.
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So, hypothetically... a gang leader gets turned into a werewolf... he doesn't retain any of his old skills?
I understand the zombie example, of course. Some creatures (werewolves, vampires, etc) are typically portrayed as intelligent/aware. So, while I'd understand a werewolf losing the ability to shoot a gun (due to his size), I wouldn't understand the inability to use abilities that are "intelligence" based or that don't require a certain amount of manual dexterity/small hands.
Something like a weremonkey, on the other hand (seems appropriate for Asian gangs) should retain abilities with a gun, I'd think, though(?).
Hmm... the more I think about it, the more potentially complicated it gets.
Two questions come to mind:
Could skinwalker "birds" fly?
Will "turned' humans roll randomly for the creature they become, or will they become whatever the creature was that turned them?
Eric
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I haven't gotten too far into the campaign rules yet, so I'm still making them up as I go
I guess we could make it that they retain their skills, but not weapons. They can't really use guns very well because their hands turn into paws and claws, but could use more primitive weapons like bows or melee weapons. So if someone was a gunslinger with a RC of 6, then they might never use that attribute again.
I thought people would get to pick whatever animal they want though, really just so they can use the models they have. I could force people to buy new minis, but that's too GWish for my tastes Folks can also just say that their guy wandered off into the forest and was never seen again after the beast too over, and just recruit a new human member. But we could do a table to roll on, or match up certain animals with certain professions?
Birds, bats and bugs can fly, but they will need the flying ability that will add to their XP cost just like a weapon does. Flying is more like jumping and gliding, they're too heavy to fly like a normal bird. But it will be a 9" move instead of 6", and you can fly over terrain. You can land on a roof, but you can't land inside a building.. and you can just walk instead too if you want to go inside.
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Post by: Bolognesus
Really, though? shooting a bow requires every bit as much manual dexterity as a firearm - if not a bit more finesse. I know it's a fantasy world and it might be convenient for game balance but that'd really, really bug me. In fact, I suspect firing a gun with cumbersome claws would be easier to get accustomed to than shooting a bow. Retaining just the use of thrown weapons, I can live with
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Post by: Kanluwen
Necros wrote:Just thought I would leave this here
Concept art I just got from Heath Foley, this is Croatoan, Alpha Werewolf and leader of The Wicked beast pack. He'll be the boss monster in the boxed game
Croatoan?
Why not Roanoke?
Looking great, Necros!
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Post by: Necros
What I meant was, they might have the ability to shoot a gun.. but a werewolf's finger-claws are gonna be too big to fit inside a little trigger guard loop for example. I'm sure some of them could make it work, but a skinwalker's usual method of attack is going to be to make a beeline for the nearest enemy and rip them to shreds. They're primarily melee fighters, but even Tyranids have shooty units so we can have the same thing here. I figured giving them primitive weapons would be ok, but most of them won't have any weapons at all, just claws and fangs and special attacks like venomous bits or tail swipe knockdowns. If someone wants guns in their skinwalker pack, they can always bring some human henchmen along They'll be men who were recently turned and already heeding the call of the wild.
Roanoke is where Croatoan is from The last surviving settler carved the name in a log as a warning to all, right before he was carried off into the woods and gobbled up by fearsome beasties.
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Post by: Kanluwen
That's speculation and slander!
No such fearsome beasties were ever confirmed.
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Post by: MagickalMemories
Damned Croatan apologists!
; )
LOL
Eric
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Post by: Mad4Minis
Love that werewolf art.
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Post by: Alfndrate
Any plans down the road to have a blackwater gulch volunteer program?
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Post by: Necros
You mean like demoing at cons? Yep Actually, you can do it now, but through Game Salute's game ambassador program.
http://gamesalute.com/volunteer/
You get Game Salute store credit for the amount of time you spend demoing, and they will also pay for your badge too if you do enough hours. They only have the next few major cons listed, but if it's not listed you can just list the con you're planning on in the comments.
I might set up my own one of these days but for now it's easier to just go through Game Salute since they already have the system in place
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Post by: Alfndrate
Cons are definitely one of the things I was thinking of, but I was mostly thinking of store demoing and what not, which the Game Salute program seems to be missing.
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Post by: Necros
You could mention that in the comments part and see what they say. maybe they would let you count your store demo time toward your next con's badge or something like that?
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Post by: porkuslime
Necros wrote:You mean like demoing at cons? Yep Actually, you can do it now, but through Game Salute's game ambassador program.
http://gamesalute.com/volunteer/
You get Game Salute store credit for the amount of time you spend demoing, and they will also pay for your badge too if you do enough hours. They only have the next few major cons listed, but if it's not listed you can just list the con you're planning on in the comments.
I might set up my own one of these days but for now it's easier to just go through Game Salute since they already have the system in place
Awwww crud. Wish I had known that prior to this weekend..
I successfully ran 3 sessions of Blackwater Gulch, for 2 hours a session. That allowed us to get in 2 scenarios per session, so, 6 total games. I had 6 players, then 8 players, and then 6 over the course of 3 days. 1 repeat person.
During each and every game, I had a player (during day 2 I had 2), whip out his Idevice and hit the website for the free download rules, and then hit GameSalute in the exhibitor hall.. When I checked in with the GameSalute folks on Sunday, they were mostly out of BWG stuff... so, there ya go.
Post con thoughts.. a GREAT time was had, people got into their gangs, and cinematic attacks and actions were attempted. During one 4 gang, winner takes the town, scenario.. it came down to 2 Henchmen trying to off each other.. the other 18 had expired..
My club saw the fun, and saw the passer-by watching us, and for next year, we are building a game board specifically for BWG events.. and have all asked me to run a few games for us to get in on the trash talking, dice slinging dirt eating fun.
We have some photos, that I will try to upload asap for y'all..
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Post by: Necros
Cool! now I'm sad that I didn't go :( I'm going to do GenCon, have a bunch of demos and gang war events set up for friday and saturday. Next year I want to try and do Adepticon too.
Definitely contact Game Salute next time you want to run demos
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Post by: Empchild
Necros wrote:Cool! now I'm sad that I didn't go :( I'm going to do GenCon, have a bunch of demos and gang war events set up for friday and saturday. Next year I want to try and do Adepticon too.
Definitely contact Game Salute next time you want to run demos
I'll see you at Gencon though I am only going to compete in the painting comps but I will swing by your stand.
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Post by: Necros
I don't have a booth or anything.. Game Salute will but I probably won't be there much. I'll be just running demos, in Hall E where all the other game salute events will be going on.. so thats where you'll find me
If i'm not there I'm probably pushing my way through the crowd somewhere. I think someone should sell special GenCon t-shirts that say "YES! You are in my way" in big letters on the front
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Post by: Necros
New news!
I just received word from the manufacturer that the miniatures are all finished and just left the building. 319 pounds of metal cowboys are on their way to Game Salute's warehouse right now. I'm a wimp, and glad I don't have to lift those boxes
Next, I just got the the concept art for the Werebear, by Heath Foley. This one isn't an Alpha Skinwalker like Croatoan, so he will be more man-sized... in height anyway. The theme I was going for was instead of a native look, this would have been like a trapper or mountain man that got on the wrong side of a skinwalker one day. So he's got his poweder horn from hunting, and a little raccoon trophy left over from the good ole days before he had claws...
Here's the info from his rules:
Incredibly territorial hunters, werebears are renowned for their strength and ferocity. Their imposing size makes them a formidable foe, and they have been known to crush their victims into a bloody pulp with powerful bear-claw fists.
The bear aspect grants the Skinwalker +1 Strength, already added to their Character Card.
Pummel - in melee combat, every roll of 6 to hit lowers his target's DP by 1 for this attack.
Wadaya think?
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Post by: Alfndrate
Huh, a veritable Grizzly Adams...
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Post by: Necros
I still haven't decided if the normal skinwalkers will be named or just generic yet.. if I do I was actually going to call him Adam Grizzlies
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Post by: MagickalMemories
Necros wrote:I still haven't decided if the normal skinwalkers will be named or just generic yet.. if I do I was actually going to call him Adam Grizzlies
I think you should do both.
You can have generic skinwalkers and a few named characters. Maybe those named characters are more XP and have better stats or abilities.
A regular skinwalker can be a skinwalker, while a named one can be, either, a "Skinwalker Legend" or "Legendary Skinwalker."
So, you could always increase this guy's abilities somehow and call him, "Adam Grizzlies, Legendary Skinwalker."
Two notes:
Not fond of the name. Seems like something a kid would come up with. Adam Ursine, maybe? Hmm... even that is better in thought than spoken out loud.
Maybe Legendary Skinwalkers could have a limitation of who/what they can be aligned with?
If you do a named werewolf, maybe you could call him London? You know, like the movie... An American Werewolf in London?
Eric
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Post by: Alfndrate
Grizzeled Adam!
I don't know much about skinwalkers in the fluff of your game, but if they are just lycanthropes... could we see "pre-beast mode" versions of them sometime down the road?
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Post by: bbb
I'd say lose the powder horn. It would have to have stayed on his belt for however long he's been a werebear. With those paws I dont' think he'd be able to re-attach it if it came off.
But it is a cool concept sketch!
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Post by: Necros
Yes skinwalkers are just traditional lycanthropes and were-things, just with a wild west spin. But in the fluff once you turn you're stuck that way forever. I was toying with the idea of having 2 figures where 1 is human mode and the other is beast mode and you could switch around in the game, but I thought that would get too cumbersome. I'm all about making the games quick & fun.
I could call him just "Adams" and let nerds like us figure out who we mean But, I was going to just have just the Alphas be named, anything lesser would be a generic beast, so the character card would just say "Werebear" at the top.
In the fluff, once you turn the only thing on your mind is hunting, killing and eating and a lot will lose the idea of what their former self was like. Eventually after a few decades or so the rage starts to go away a little and you can start to think and plot and scheme a little better. After hundreds of years you would be an alpha commanding a large pack of all different of beats that are drawn to you. You might not be able to talk, but you can communicate with grunts and growls and a kind of 6th sense among the pack. Not exactly telepathy but similar, the beasts you command just know what you want them to do. I guess kind of hive-mind-ish in a way. An Alpha's name is usually given to him by a human hunter so they can be like "Jeepers, it's Croatoan! I'm gonna die", the alpha doesn't even have a name for himself anymore, he just knows he's the leader of the pack and that's all that matters to him.
Anyway, that's the general idea I had
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Post by: Necros
Just sent an update off to Game Salute to post on the KS page, but here's the info
Howdy folks!
Sorry it's been so long since the last update. I've been posting some comments here and there, but I've been pretty busy handling the graphic design for the box art and character cards for the new models, and also painting the figures for the box photos.
As I'm sure you're aware, it's July and this is when we said you would be getting your orders, so I'm sure many if you want a status update. As of this very moment, everything we need has been ordered and things are starting to show up at the Game Salute warehouse, including 319 pounds worth of miniatures! We have about 17,000 plastic bases coming to us from the manufacturer in the UK, and the cards are all being printed up now. Everything is pretty much on schedule save for a small delay with the Secret Weapon bases, we ended up ordering a lot of those. So i'm hoping all of your orders will start going out very soon. Those of you who ordered the Battle Flag building bundle will be getting those buildings separately, they will ship directly from Battle Flag. Thank you all for being so patient, it won't be long now!
We showed the Dockside Drifters in the last update, so now I thought I'd share the finished pics of the other new gangs .. the Secret Fist, Tranquility Crew, Widowmakers and WIlde's Rangers.. here they are!
I also added some info about the new game, but I've already been posting that here. But just a few minutes ago I got the concept art for the Werecat .. here he is
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Post by: sparkywtf
Do you have any idea when these will ship? And who should I contact about changing my shipping address?
Can't wait for more of my precious metal wild west gangs!
(and some day I will get around to painting and playing!)
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Post by: Necros
You can just PM your info to me, I'm the keeper of the master list at the moment
I really can't say when exactly. I'm hoping as soon as the plastic bases and cards show up they'll start packing up the orders so the only ones that might be a little delayed are the secret weapon orders and I don't think those will really be delayed much.. definitely won't be 6 months late like last time
I would guesstimate most orders will start going in a couple of weeks if all goes well.. I know they have all the other stuff at the warehouse now like the battlefoam bags and gamecraft buildings, just a couple things still in transit...
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Post by: bbb
Isotherm base type changed to lipped? Also, everything looks great!
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Post by: Necros
they've always been lipped but the 40k style 25mm kind are fine too. In fact, the figs in the boxed game will probably have a 23mm round base so they can fit inside the 1" board squares.. and that's also the perfect size to fit inside the lip as a base topper kind of thing, if you want to.
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Post by: sparkywtf
Awesome, sent you a message.
Can't wait for shipping. Now on to the boxed game
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Post by: RiTides
Those gangs look good! Just need bigger pics
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Post by: Necros
The smaller pics hide my bad paint jobs I just can't paint faces at all :(
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Post by: bbb
Necros wrote:they've always been lipped but the 40k style 25mm kind are fine too. In fact, the figs in the boxed game will probably have a 23mm round base so they can fit inside the 1" board squares.. and that's also the perfect size to fit inside the lip as a base topper kind of thing, if you want to.
okay, my memory is just faulty then
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Post by: Necros
Game Salute got my update posted on the KS page finally.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/gamesalute/blackwater-gulch-rebels-and-reinforcements/posts/541589
Same as what I posted a few replies up, but they just said today that it looks like the orders will be shipping at the end of August. They said it's because they're still waiting on the cards to get finished and also a lot of 3rd party items haven't arrived yet. And then GenCon is going to happen and that puts every project on hold for like 2 weeks...
So, sorry about the delay. I'm kind of hoping the late items show up sooner than expected so they can start packing up orders sooner. Those of you who ordered Battle Flag buildings should get them in the next couple of weeks though.
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Post by: porkuslime
So, is any of the new BWG showing up at GenCon this year for folks to acquire?
-P
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Post by: Necros
Probably no new stuff for sale at GenCon. Game Salute wants them to be all finished and in the retail boxes before they'll sell them to stores and at cons, and I think the boxes are still being printed. Plus we'd rather make sure all the backers got their orders before they start selling them. They will be selling the original starter sets and the rulebook though, just not the stuff from Rebels & Reinforcements.
But I will have the new models for demo games and the gang war friday and saturday if you want to check them out in person
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Post by: Alfndrate
I will have to stop by and learn how to play this game .
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Post by: Necros
I'm not sure if Game Salute will have a demo going at their booth, I won't be there .. my demos will be at the game salute gaming area in Hall E. At 1, 2, 3, and 4 PM there's 1-hour demo events you can sign up for... but I think they might be all sold out. I think you can buy some kind of generic ticket that you can use if someone signed up doesn't show. I'm also going to see if I can set up extra boards if there's space.
The gang war is also a sign up event for 8 players, everyone gets a 5 man gang, you get split into 2 teams and fight right in the middle of Main Street on a cramped 2x8' board. Whoever gets the most kills will get 2 sets of our custom dice (1 set from each campaign we did) and possibly some other prizes.
I'm saving up now, hopefully next year I'll have my own booth in the dealer area
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Post by: Necros
So, I'm headed out to GenCon this week and I'll be there on Friday and Saturday. I won't be at a dealer booth, I'll be running demos and a special Gang War event in the Game Salute gaming area in Hall E. If the printer isn't too slow I should have a big sign right by where I'll be.
I believe all of the demo events and the gang war are sold out, but if space permits I might be able to set up a couple of extra demo boards. You have to have a ticket to play though cuz of screwy con rules. So any $2 generic ticket will work, or you can also use a ticket for another event you decided not to go to I think, however people that actually signed up for the demo and gang war events get first dibs.
Weather you come to play or not feel free to stop by and say hi Also, all original BWG models and the rulebook will be for sale at the Game Salute dealer booth #1735. We can't sell any of the new models until all of the Kickstarter orders go out, so they won't be available at the con unfortunately (and Game Salute says they'll start shipping when they get back from the con). I'll also have a handful of the new blue colt 45 dice for demos if you want to see em they came out real nice.
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Post by: Necros
New shipping update from Game Salute!
Hey folks,
We're gearing up for shipping! Just a reminder: if your address has changed since you completed the pledge manager, please shoot an email by High Noon, Thursday, August 28th to:
Service@gamesalute.com, subject: "Blackwater Gultch backer change of address"
The packing and shipping process will likely stretch into next week, but you can expect email tracking information as soon as yours is out the door!
-Jon
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Post by: Necros
Game Salute just posted a shipping update today. Looks like everything is going to start going out on Wednesday
Whew.
That took a bit longer than expected! My apologies. This campaign is a bit... expansive. The number of potential combinations and individual attention required for each order made things a bit hard to estimate
Up to this point, the warehouse crew has been focusing on organisation and prep - this means packaging gangs and solo pieces separately in readiness for picking and packing. The prep work is wrapping up today, and I am told that packing/shipping will proceed in force first thing Wednesday.
I'll send you folks a message when this begins! Given the scope of the packing process it may take some time before yours is on its way to you, but as soon as it leaves our warehouse you'll be receiving tracking information via email.
-Jon
I'll also be posting the rules update / errata PDF in the next couple of days
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Post by: CptJake
Just got my shipping notification from Games Salute for the Kickstater figures!
WooHoo!
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Post by: Necros
Cool!
Really glad stuff is shipping now
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
My notification's in too
yippee!
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Post by: MagickalMemories
No notification.
<Enter Sad Face Here>
Eric
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Post by: Necros
Aw .. hopefully you'll get it soon. I don't know what kind of order they're going in.
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Post by: sparkywtf
So you are saying it would be rude to rub this box in my face and enjoy my precious metal models.
Pics coming. Although it appears I am missing some models already. Only 3 models in my bag for the Tranquility Crew
Seems like the bonus bag came with some bonus models from the first KS also.
Edit: Yup, got the extra set of 3: The Norwegian, John Blackwood, and Mickey Finn
Edit 2: Missing Captain Nathan Reinholdt and Adam James
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Post by: Necros
Doh! Sorry you were missing some :( send an email to service@gamesalute.com and they will take care of it.
You were supposed to get the guys from the first KS, they were included in the "all bonus items" thing for higher pledges. So if already have them you can use them for conversions or just extra guys in your gang
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Post by: sparkywtf
Necros wrote:Doh! Sorry you were missing some :( send an email to service@gamesalute.com and they will take care of it.
You were supposed to get the guys from the first KS, they were included in the "all bonus items" thing for higher pledges. So if already have them you can use them for conversions or just extra guys in your gang
Emailing them in a bit, had to take pictures of it all.
Good to know we were supposed to get them. Probably better trade items for me then anything. Maybe use them to convince someone to pin some stuff more, since I can never figure pinning out.
Edit: Posted some pics and some initial comments on the whole project here http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/553614.page
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Post by: Alpharius
Got my stuff in too - and everything was there except for a missing "Mickey Finn" model.
Got his card and a base, but no miniature.
Off to email service@gamesalute.com ...
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Post by: MagickalMemories
sparkywtf wrote:
So you are saying it would be rude to rub this box in my face and enjoy my precious metal models.
You are a very bad person.
Eric
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Post by: sparkywtf
I know. At least you will love them when you get them in. Other than a few minor tweaks, everything goes together like butter.
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Post by: CptJake
sparkywtf wrote:
I know. At least you will love them when you get them in. Other than a few minor tweaks, everything goes together like butter.
Wait, so this isn't the Sedition Wars thread?
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Post by: Bolognesus
Sw is just like butter. Needs just a bit of heat to become optimally malleable and is great for a lot of things, as long as you just don't try to use it as a game/food on it's own
Hoping to get my gattling gun (oh, and some dudes) on saturday going by usual postage times, mail gods willing.
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Post by: Necros
Sorry about the missing stuff :( I guess they rushed to get everything done and weren't careful enough. Hopefully these will be few and far between.
Anyway, still email service@gamesalute.com if there's anything wrong with your order. if you email me all I can do is forward it to them it's probably more efficient for them to deal directly with you.
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Post by: sparkywtf
Necros wrote:Sorry about the missing stuff :( I guess they rushed to get everything done and weren't careful enough. Hopefully these will be few and far between.
Anyway, still email service@gamesalute.com if there's anything wrong with your order. if you email me all I can do is forward it to them it's probably more efficient for them to deal directly with you.
Just to save some emails, go to http://gamesalute.com/support/missing-or-damaged-parts-form/ and fill it out. They emailed me back and told me to use that form.
Necros, I wouldn't sweat some missing items. It is packed by humans and there are bound to be a few pieces missing. With all the models that were coming in and getting everything packed, it happens. At least the models look fantastic. Automatically Appended Next Post:  CptJake wrote:sparkywtf wrote:
I know. At least you will love them when you get them in. Other than a few minor tweaks, everything goes together like butter.
Wait, so this isn't the Sedition Wars thread?
The tweaks more come on models that arms need to move a bit. One of the hired guns needed his arms bent a bit to get the other arm to fit properly, but nothing as bad as SW.
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Post by: CptJake
All righty then! My box just arrived and all three of the gangs I ordered are complete and look good. All the kickstarter extras are complete and also look good.
Now a quick question.... I bought a hard copy of the rule book WAY BACK when you first had them, before you had the miniatures line. I know I can get a PDF with the updated rules, but I'm a hard copy type of guy. so...
How much of a difference is there between the set I have and what you offer now? (mine is a soft cover with a 2011 date inside if that helps)
Thanks!
Jake
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Post by: Necros
Is your book the big original book that was print-on-demand? Or the small format sized softcover? the latter is current and the same book that was in this campaign too. It's a small sized book like the kind you get in the GW starter boxes.
If you still the original bigger book it should still be fine, there were only a few tweaks .. the biggest change was that you can only lose 1 HP from any attack, it's not like before where every missed save = 1 HP, and usually instant death
There were some other tweaks with the new PDF I just made, but these won't be in the printed book. Nothing earth shattering or game changing, just a couple of small fixes and the rules for Engineers and artillery, but all the rules you need are on the cards anyway.
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Post by: CptJake
It is the original bigger Print On Demand version.
Thanks for the summary of what has changed.
Jake
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Post by: sparkywtf
So about an hour (maybe 2) after using the missing/broken pieces form on the site, I had an email saying everything was packed and shipping out.
Great handling all around. Can't wait to have them in here. They will be the last models I have to put together before I prime everything!
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Post by: MagickalMemories
Well, I still have not received my email from Game Salute.
I did receive my stuff in the mail today, though. LOL
I haven't done a piece-by-piece check yet, but everything looks to be there at first glance.
I'm looking forward to digging in!
Eric
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
I see your no email and package, and raise you two separate emails with different dates for shipping.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
minis and buildings coming separately ?
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Post by: CptJake
I only ordered minis so I couldn't tell you.
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
Both emails mentionned my full order. It seems to be in Londonderry, NH, at the moment. A mere 4.5 hours away by car (barring hassle at the border crossing).
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Post by: Necros
Got some more finished artwork to show off More monsters for the upcoming expansion and the first monster hunter
First here is the Chupacabra
Here is the Jackalope
And here is J. W. Clarkson, Monster Hunter and leader of the Unsung
Next up I'll be getting the other 4 members of the Unsung finished up in a little while
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Post by: Zwan1One
Love the art work. I hope the sculpts turn out accurately. Those long lanky arms are quite creepy. It's good that they aren't all stacked with muscle as its complete over done. There's something sinister in the designs.
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Post by: Necros
Howdy pardners!
Just finished the new holiday scenario, Naughty or Nice.
A crazy old prospector in a red suit and his circus dwarf henchmen dumped fancy looking boxes all over town last night. Time to round up the fellas and grab all the loot!
You can download the pdf here:
http://blackwatergulch.com/blog/2013/12/new-scenario-naughty-or-nice/
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Post by: Necros
Starting tomorrow, Feb 28th, Game Salute will be releasing the new sets from the Rebels & Reinforcements campaign for retail. It took a lot longer than they expected to get all of the sets packed up and boxes printed. They are planning to release 1 new starter set and 2 hired guns each month, so tomorrow they will be releasing The Widowmakers, Kurt Wyatt and Dr Kilmer. Here are the direct links to their online store, or you can find a shop that stocks or can order them at GameStoreLocator.com
The Widowmakers - $30
http://shop.gamesalute.com/collections/front-page-1/products/blackwater-gulch-widowmakers
Kurt Wyatt - $8
http://shop.gamesalute.com/collections/front-page-1/products/blackwater-gulch-kurt-wyatt
Dr. Kilmer - $8
http://shop.gamesalute.com/collections/front-page-1/products/blackwater-gulch-doctor-kilmer
Other sets are available for preorder here:
http://shop.gamesalute.com/collections/front-page-1/gangfight-game-studio
I'm not sure which sets will be released next, but as soon as I do I'll let everyone know
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Post by: Necros
So, Game Salute has just released The Widowmakers, Kurt Wyatt and Doc Kilmer. Here is a list of all future retail release dates from the Rebels & Reinforcements campaign, subject to change. All of these sets are available for preorder now in Game Salute's online store.
March 28, 2014
Tranquility Crew, Doc Lloyd & Shamus McFox
April 25, 2014
Dockside Drifters, Father Al, John Blackwood
May 23, 2014
Wilde's Rangers, Clinton Wales, Marshall Callum Stewart
June 20, 2014
Secret Fist, Rooster Morrisson, Nevada Dave
July 18, 2014
The Norwegian, Mickey Finn
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Post by: Mathieu Raymond
I should really take some purdy pitchers, the new crews are really a step above.
My gaming group is quite taken with "that cowboy game" when we're in the mood for fast action.
Never add ninjas to the mix though. Much deadlier than cowboys...
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Post by: Necros
You could pretend the Secret Fist are cowboy-samurai-ninjas
I'm hoping now that these new sets are getting released they will greenlight some new sculpts without needing a campaign for them. We still have the Traveling Zarconis circus gang, and also the concept art for 6 new characters to add to the other gangs.
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Post by: erratyk
I need that tranquility crew for sure
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Post by: Necros
Game Salute has just released the Dockside Drifters Starter Set, plus the Father Al and John Blackwood Hired Guns!
You can find a shop that carries or can order our miniatures at GameStoreLocator.com, or you can click here to order them direct from shop.GameSalute.com!
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Post by: Theophony
saw the name Marshall Stewart and immediately thought you were putting out a female miniature to help decorate the whore houses or works as a chef in the taverns/saloons . I guess she could also be an escaped prisoner too. Sorry to derail, guess you know the type of home I grew up in now (no not jack Daniels and prostitues  or I'd be better adjusted)
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