Edit: at the same time, the rules in the storm claw box hint that SW will loose much of its indiviuality,
so im not realistically hoping for much changes and new stuff at all.
I don't see this so much as the supplement rules were basic for new players.
I would hope to see better rules/formations in the actual codex.
Does anyone think Krom Dragongaze might get rules in the new Codex as a Special Character? Might enable them to sell the model separately as a clampak.
Figure "best" we might get is him as an addition in the (eventual) FAQ -- bit like they did with the limited edition DA Chaplain when DV first came out.
Although he disappeared from it as/when they updated the FAQS to their current status.
MasterSlowPoke wrote: In this case he's literally just reading the preview in the White Dwarf like everyone else and extrapolating. I can't see how it's even a rumor.
Because, unlike us, he's positioning it as a 'rumor' from his 'inside sources' whereas we're just speculating.
Fayric wrote: Given the policy of "no model, no rules" would you guys say
1. lonewolf has an actual model.
2. Mark of the wulfen has an actual model.
Both of them might be represented by the plastic boxes, but its still in a grey zone I think.
I would LOVE to see them bring back the Wulfen models from Eye of Terror.
Come to think of it, why DOESN'T GW bring back a lot of those LE models from campaigns? It seems like they would sell like hotcakes.
Wulfen for SW come to mind
as do Slayer Doomseekers, the Goblin Hewer and Garagrim Ironfist from the Fantasy Storm of Chaos Campaign.
Heck, pretty much all the models from any of the campaigns they used to do would still sell quite well I think. Many of them are some of the best they've ever done. Is it that hard to convert molds over to finecast or plastic? You know they've still got the molds lying around somewhere!
Most of those models were not simply available "from the campaigns". The Wulfen, Doomseekers, Goblin Hewer, and Ironfist were available for three or so years before they did the next army books for the factions.
Kanluwen wrote: Most of those models were not simply available "from the campaigns". The Wulfen, Doomseekers, Goblin Hewer, and Ironfist were available for three or so years before they did the next army books for the factions.
Sooooo.....you're saying we could TOTALLY bring them back, right???
I dunno. I guess I really don't know what goes into making molds to use the correct materials.
elStrages wrote: In the description you have put it has a six model transport capacity. This is wrong. It's sixteen!
See bellow, I was a pic of this on page 15 but it was washed out with the flash
So it's better in every way than a Stormraven? (Though, I guess it doesn't get Stormstrikes, but instead gets 4 more slots for people!)
Lascannon, 2 Heavy Bolters, and whatever a Helfrost weapon does. And those heavy bolters can become 2 Multimeltas for 20pts.
It better cost like, 250+ points... it has more firepower than a land raider, and arguably more survivable with that Ceramite. It pretty much crushes the Stormraven by comparison.
EDIT: Just found out it costs 15pts more than a baseline Stomraven. Realllly? Reallllly?
elStrages wrote: In the description you have put it has a six model transport capacity. This is wrong. It's sixteen!
See bellow, I was a pic of this on page 15 but it was washed out with the flash
So it's better in every way than a Stormraven? (Though, I guess it doesn't get Stormstrikes, but instead gets 4 more slots for people!)
Lascannon, 2 Heavy Bolters, and whatever a Helfrost weapon does. And those heavy bolters can become 2 Multimeltas for 20pts.
It better cost like, 250+ points... it has more firepower than a land raider, and arguably more survivable with that Ceramite. It pretty much crushes the Stormraven by comparison.
The points are already leaked.
The transport one you mentioned, Storm Wolf, starts at 215.
I agree I think it's better too, but the Storm Raven has slightly more transport ability.
elStrages wrote: In the description you have put it has a six model transport capacity. This is wrong. It's sixteen!
See bellow, I was a pic of this on page 15 but it was washed out with the flash
So it's better in every way than a Stormraven? (Though, I guess it doesn't get Stormstrikes, but instead gets 4 more slots for people!)
Lascannon, 2 Heavy Bolters, and whatever a Helfrost weapon does. And those heavy bolters can become 2 Multimeltas for 20pts.
It better cost like, 250+ points... it has more firepower than a land raider, and arguably more survivable with that Ceramite. It pretty much crushes the Stormraven by comparison.
EDIT: Just found out it costs 15pts more than a baseline Stomraven. Realllly? Reallllly?
Spoiler:
Okay, let's break this down:
SR
12 Models and Dread
TL - Assault Cannon (can be TL Las or TLPC for free)
TLHB (can be MM for free or Typhoon)
4 Missiles
can pay for Hurricane Bolters
Transport Version
16 Models
TL Lascannon
TL Hell Frost (lesser version)
TLHB (can be Skyhammer for free or MM)
So... This version has more transport (although no dread) but has the Hellfrost instead of the missiles, and cannot add hurricane. So arguably these are much more equivalent to each other.
Shooty Version
6 Models
Hell Destructor (Lance and large blast)
2 Storm Strike Missiles (Upgrade to TL Lascannon)
2 TLHB (Upgrade to Skyhammer for free or TLMM)
This version has much less transport but better (but less) guns
TLDR?
SR carries 4 less than the transport (not counting the dread) and has more guns
The SR has more transport but less valuable guns than the gunship.
The SR is 10-15 points cheaper than either wolf variant and has much better gun arcs.
Fayric wrote: Given the policy of "no model, no rules" would you guys say
1. lonewolf has an actual model.
2. Mark of the wulfen has an actual model.
Both of them might be represented by the plastic boxes, but its still in a grey zone I think.
Lone Wolf is easily represented by the Plastic box, so it has a kit. Either the SM commander with Wolfy bits, or from the SW Pack box, like PA Wolf Guard, Blood Claws, and GH.
Mark of the Wulfen is an upgrade not a model. Even just a painted on symbol could suffice.
I would really love a Space Wolves upgrade sprue, with loads of wolfy pelts, fetishes, muzzles and heads. SO you don't have to buy both a Devastator and Wolf Pack kit to make Long Fangs, or wolf up your Assault Squads, Bikers, or Commanders. Termies are taken care of, not sure if there is a Wolf Scout Box. would love them too.
Deadshot wrote: I would really love a Space Wolves upgrade sprue, with loads of wolfy pelts, fetishes, muzzles and heads. SO you don't have to buy both a Devastator and Wolf Pack kit to make Long Fangs, or wolf up your Assault Squads, Bikers, or Commanders. Termies are taken care of, not sure if there is a Wolf Scout Box. would love them too.
Deadshot wrote: I would really love a Space Wolves upgrade sprue, with loads of wolfy pelts, fetishes, muzzles and heads. SO you don't have to buy both a Devastator and Wolf Pack kit to make Long Fangs, or wolf up your Assault Squads, Bikers, or Commanders. Termies are taken care of, not sure if there is a Wolf Scout Box. would love them too.
Deadshot wrote: I would really love a Space Wolves upgrade sprue, with loads of wolfy pelts, fetishes, muzzles and heads. SO you don't have to buy both a Devastator and Wolf Pack kit to make Long Fangs, or wolf up your Assault Squads, Bikers, or Commanders. Termies are taken care of, not sure if there is a Wolf Scout Box. would love them too.
Automatically Appended Next Post: It doesn't have Termy bits, but the rest is there...
Automatically Appended Next Post: Although if you buy a single wolf pack, it is often enough to bling out 20-30 marines.
Even though this sprue came out in 3rd edition, I still think it's a damn good one. Jes Goodwin is the man. You're right about the wolf pack kit though - it's got more than enough stuff to bling out 30 Marines.
Fayric wrote: Given the policy of "no model, no rules" would you guys say
1. lonewolf has an actual model.
2. Mark of the wulfen has an actual model.
Both of them might be represented by the plastic boxes, but its still in a grey zone I think.
I have been representing them with an unarmed helmet and the two fur covered shoulder pads. On a couple of them I did things like given them two Bolt Guns or Chain Swords.
Fayric wrote: Given the policy of "no model, no rules" would you guys say
1. lonewolf has an actual model.
2. Mark of the wulfen has an actual model.
Both of them might be represented by the plastic boxes, but its still in a grey zone I think.
I have been representing them with an unarmed helmet and the two fur covered shoulder pads. On a couple of them I did things like given them two Bolt Guns or Chain Swords.
All my wulfen are dual CCW and have a Red X across their Left Shoulder pad's company marking (ala DC).
Ian Sturrock wrote: My interpretation is that you have to run it exactly as modelled.
There are a couple of nifty buffs going on there, and you could deep strike the Termies, but I'm not sure how you'd get the other couple of units into the fight. You can't buy dedicated transports for them, so either they hitch a ride elsewhere, or they're relegated to backfield or footslogging use... I guess you could load one of them with Krom onto a Stormfang (that's the 6-transport one, right?), but you'd only have them on the table by T3...
I don't really see you getting all 3 units to somewhere useful till T3 or so, at which point their reroll buffs might just about make up for their inactivity for the first couple of turns, assuming the rest of your army isn't much faster; but said buffs probably don't make up for the loss of Objective Secured, or for having to buy plasma pistols...
I didn't even consider the lack of dedicated transports... but yes if the Formation a) requires the builds as outlined in the titular units and b) does not allow extension upon them this is useless for all but the starter box and beginner in store battles (SW force equates to 600pts to the dot). I'd have to say as a somewhat long term player now I'd be pretty annoyed if this was my entry point and I'd built the models as per the Formation!
I was always going to use them to bolster my SW force anyway, but if the Formation was not so restricted I *may* have tried it out in a few larger point battles; oh well, now to assemble them as planned, that empty Stormwolf needs filling full of eager Blood Claws! Lukas, step forward!
Fayric wrote: Given the policy of "no model, no rules" would you guys say
1. lonewolf has an actual model.
2. Mark of the wulfen has an actual model.
Both of them might be represented by the plastic boxes, but its still in a grey zone I think.
I have been representing them with an unarmed helmet and the two fur covered shoulder pads. On a couple of them I did things like given them two Bolt Guns or Chain Swords.
All my wulfen are dual CCW and have a Red X across their Left Shoulder pad's company marking (ala DC).
Fayric wrote: Given the policy of "no model, no rules" would you guys say
1. lonewolf has an actual model.
2. Mark of the wulfen has an actual model.
Both of them might be represented by the plastic boxes, but its still in a grey zone I think.
I have been representing them with an unarmed helmet and the two fur covered shoulder pads. On a couple of them I did things like given them two Bolt Guns or Chain Swords.
Yeah, but the point is there's no official model called "mark of the wulfen" or "lone wolf", so they are at risk of being chopped like most (all?) things that don't have models.
Though I think MOTW and Lone Wolves probably fall in to the same category as Conscripts, there are no models called "Conscripts", but it's just a different paint job on a regular guardsmen so it didn't get removed from the IG codex like a lot of other things have been.
Fayric wrote: Given the policy of "no model, no rules" would you guys say
1. lonewolf has an actual model.
2. Mark of the wulfen has an actual model.
Both of them might be represented by the plastic boxes, but its still in a grey zone I think.
I have been representing them with an unarmed helmet and the two fur covered shoulder pads. On a couple of them I did things like given them two Bolt Guns or Chain Swords.
Yeah, but the point is there's no official model called "mark of the wulfen" or "lone wolf", so they are at risk of being chopped like most (all?) things that don't have models.
Though I think MOTW and Lone Wolves probably fall in to the same category as Conscripts, there are no models called "Conscripts", but it's just a different paint job on a regular guardsmen so it didn't get removed from the IG codex like a lot of other things have been.
True, I do hope MotW and Lone Wolves stay, I love my Two Lone Wolves: MotW, Storm Shield, CCW and a pair of wolves for only 85 points.
I'm actually really hoping this becomes a weapon for Long Fangs, I'm gonna try and find a good tutorial on how to make icicles, maybe do some kind of backwash from the blast coating part of their Power Armour or something.
Helfrost looks awesome on the flyer, but I can't see it being particularly worthwhile on Long Fangs (it'd be the lesser version of course). I'll probably stick with Missile Launchers and Lascannons.
I'm betting that the Natfka/Voice/Vela train is wrong and we won't see Helfrost on other units. Afterall, you didn't see the DA Flyer's gun on DATac's.
pretre wrote: I'm betting that the Natfka/Voice/Vela train is wrong and we won't see Helfrost on other units. Afterall, you didn't see the DA Flyer's gun on DATac's.
Uh, isn't that more because the DA flyer gun is pure crap?
The DA book though like the chaos one is really a completely different breed of book in that it was a way older look at how they handled codexes. Like how Eldar and Tau are very similar in design. With the release of the new ork codex it is tough to see which of the basically 3 different design formats GW is going to run with. Each had different ways of shifting the armies around.
We didn’t get grav cannons on regular devastators either. Probably because GW didn’t make a marine portable one. If GW makes a new longfang squad, or some new SW sprue and includes the bits for frost guns, I suspect we’ll see them on marines. If not, vehicle only.
If they are getting a dread kit, I’d expect to see them there.
Something I though about if the Grey Hunters Rumors are true.
Take 10 Grey Hunters
Upgrade To the Wolf Guard: Take a Combi-Plasma [I assume this is an option]
Take 2 Plasma Guns
Take 2 Plasma Pistols
Shove them in a Drop Pod
That is a 1st Turn 12" 8x Short Plasma Bubble
Haters are still going to have reasons to Hate them.
Kelly502 wrote: What Im curious about is how they kept this secret, last I heard was Blood Angels, then POW! Wolves. Which is good, Im not complaining.
If I remember right there was always debate on whether SW or BA would come first. Most assumed BA since their codex is older if I remember right.
Kelly502 wrote: What Im curious about is how they kept this secret, last I heard was Blood Angels, then POW! Wolves. Which is good, Im not complaining.
If I remember right there was always debate on whether SW or BA would come first. Most assumed BA since their codex is older if I remember right.
I'm pretty sure the SW codex is older, and by a decent amount. I always thought that it was odd BA were being rumored.
Just checked lexicanum(for whatever that's worth), and it shows the SW codex 6 months older.
I think it may have been like Sister of Battle, the fans were just trying to use willpower to make it happen.
Nevelon wrote: We didn’t get grav cannons on regular devastators either. Probably because GW didn’t make a marine portable one. If GW makes a new longfang squad, or some new SW sprue and includes the bits for frost guns, I suspect we’ll see them on marines. If not, vehicle only.
If they are getting a dread kit, I’d expect to see them there.
We don't have Centurions to mount the guns on though, so maybe they'll slap them on the Long Fangs instead... that said, we haven't heard about new GH or LF boxes so I doubt they'll have man-portable versions.
Anpu42 wrote: Something I though about if the Grey Hunters Rumors are true.
Take 10 Grey Hunters
Upgrade To the Wolf Guard: Take a Combi-Plasma [I assume this is an option]
Take 2 Plasma Guns
Take 2 Plasma Pistols
Shove them in a Drop Pod
That is a 1st Turn 12" 8x Short Plasma Bubble
Haters are still going to have reasons to Hate them.
Yeah that has been debated already, it'll depend on whether the rumours are true though obviously. If it is though...
Anpu42 wrote: Something I though about if the Grey Hunters Rumors are true.
Take 10 Grey Hunters
Upgrade To the Wolf Guard: Take a Combi-Plasma [I assume this is an option]
Take 2 Plasma Guns
Take 2 Plasma Pistols
Shove them in a Drop Pod
That is a 1st Turn 12" 8x Short Plasma Bubble
Haters are still going to have reasons to Hate them.
If this is one of the true rumours, I can see Plasma Hunters becoming a commonly seen strategy. If you figure that's only one troop unit, imagine having all those shots but times three coming down in drop pods on turn one?
Was it just GH in rumours that could do this or are BC getting the one plasma pistol per 5 models as well? (according to rumours)
I'm still not seeing it, are you sure you aren't confusing it for the "They can also take plasma pistols at 1 per 5 in addition to special weapons" because I'm pretty sure they mean you can get your 2 special weapons AND the plasma pistols.
Thorgrim Bloodcrow wrote: I'm still not seeing it, are you sure you aren't confusing it for the "They can also take plasma pistols at 1 per 5 in addition to special weapons" because I'm pretty sure they mean you can get your 2 special weapons AND the plasma pistols.
Possibly, but with the Blood Claws who knows. We are still unsure about the Plasma Pistol Rumor.
I just have to say that I LOVE the new flyer. It looks like the FW assault ram but better. Say what you like about the stubby wings but I think it suites the design rather well and doesn't detract from the battering ram shape it has. I sure hope that the price will be decent as I may have to pick one up and Thousand Son it up...
pretre wrote: I'm betting that the Natfka/Voice/Vela train is wrong and we won't see Helfrost on other units. Afterall, you didn't see the DA Flyer's gun on DATac's.
Any unit that gets a new model has decent chances of getting new guns. Obviously they won't add new gun options to old units that have no models to represent it.
So the Long Fang box and Long Fangs getting access to little freeze whatevers will both be true or both be false, IMO. Same for other units.
Commander Cain wrote: I just have to say that I LOVE the new flyer. It looks like the FW assault ram but better. Say what you like about the stubby wings but I think it suites the design rather well and doesn't detract from the battering ram shape it has. I sure hope that the price will be decent as I may have to pick one up and Thousand Son it up...
I'm actually really excited to see what some people do to suit it more towards another chapter. Mate of mine is already fiddling around with ideas for his Raven Guard and got another friend of ours thinking about how he could change it up for his Salamanders.
New rumors look terrible, mix-n-match TDA and PA was basically my favorite element of the book right beside super cheap killy GH squads :(
If all those ice-gun rumors are true, I am going to just load up on them in every unit that can take them and make terrible Batman and Robin quotes every time I fire them until my opponents quit:
Also, looking at the sprues, it appears to take Rhino doors like the Stormraven. So if you place the Missiles/Multimeltas etc elsewhere, you can use FW Chapter Rhino doors and back hatch.
Azreal13 wrote: So the Space Wolves release is going to be eked out over the rest of the summer much like the Orks one has been running since Christmas?
Invalidates all the new daemons rumours by the sounds of it.
Shame.
Not necessarily...
Space Wolves book could be leading up to another "Stormclaw" styled box featuring Wolves and Daemons.
Azreal13 wrote: So the Space Wolves release is going to be eked out over the rest of the summer much like the Orks one has been running since Christmas?
Invalidates all the new daemons rumours by the sounds of it.
Shame.
Not necessarily...
Space Wolves book could be leading up to another "Stormclaw" styled box featuring Wolves and Daemons.
It isn't impossible that it's the new release format I guess, but considering I was already skeptical about the new daemons rumours, this isn't exactly making me more optimistic.
I don't like how the pilot's legs are molded into the seat. Gonna make it hard to paint for most (not me since I always just paint over the canopy sky blue, makes my life so much easier.)
I saw somewhere (BoW forum? or BoW facebook I can't really remember) that somebody was saying the next campaign box would be Blood Angels and Dark Eldar
which might be made up nonsense but I'd almost believe as BA will be up reasonably soon (just coz they are amongst the only old SMs left), but Dark Eldar seem an odd choice to pair them with so it just might be real
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: I saw somewhere (BoW forum? or BoW facebook I can't really remember) that somebody was saying the next campaign box would be Blood Angels and Dark Eldar
which might be made up nonsense but I'd almost believe as BA will be up reasonably soon (just coz they are amongst the only old SMs left), but Dark Eldar seem an odd choice to pair them with so it just might be real
Blood Suckers versus Soul drinkers?
Must admit very tempted to get one of these Stormfangs
Pacific wrote: I .. I .. I .. I know I shouldn't post here, I don't play the game, but it's in the 'N&R' section so fair game as far as I'm concerned, and this utter monstrosity demands comment!
As shocking as the design of this miniature, how crude and toy-like and completely disregarding of the physics that govern existence, even more shocking has been the general reaction of "Wow, actually that looks OK!"
My only thought must be that GW has set the bar so low that anything that isn't a red hot needle to the eye gets met with encouragement, that you positively have to scrape through the mud and grime at the bottom of the barrel to find anything so absolutely, positively, hideous to look at.
Even with a genetically enhanced ugly tree (made to look as bad as possible), hit with the ugly stick so hard, again and again, and an involvement somewhere of the fowl, stinking bowels of satan, I struggle to think how anything so monumentally abysmal could have been produced.
Honestly an absolutely fething terrible 'miniature', and I am shocked and appalled at the lack of artistic and creative critique applied here by some of the members of Dakka!
IMO this beats the ogre cheerleader, by far the worst looking miniature that GW has ever produced it just fails on absolutely every level. It's like someone took the essence of Adrian Childs, the arse of a baboon, a 1930's tractor, combined it with some chewing gum and threw it into the teleporter from 'The Fly'.
It actually hurts my eyes to look at it..
Or people like different things. Shocking, I know.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: I saw somewhere (BoW forum? or BoW facebook I can't really remember) that somebody was saying the next campaign box would be Blood Angels and Dark Eldar
which might be made up nonsense but I'd almost believe as BA will be up reasonably soon (just coz they are amongst the only old SMs left), but Dark Eldar seem an odd choice to pair them with so it just might be real
I want it, I have to wait to buy it, but I will be grabbing 1. Hot DAMN. This is THEE space marine flyer. Bulky ignorant but at the same time awesome. En mass they look awesome, But I think whats putting a lot of people off is the way that they are modeled on the bases, leaning forward. If they were all flying level, I think people would like them more.
That is a lot of molded on SW iconography. It clearly is going to be a chapter specific unit for quite some time.
Not that I mind. I feel that 40K has lost a lot of its identity with the pay to win and to hell with FOC shenanigans that have been prevalent over the last few years.
So, is anyone else going to fething point out how this model is the ugliest most useless fething model in the game?
It looks like a penis or a fething coffin. ITS UGLY.
SPACE WOLVES DO NOT fething FLY.
I mean...omfg.
Its blocky, ugly...that thing in the middle on top of the ship that looks like an open exposed engine. This is without a doubt the ugliest model in the game. More so than any other flyer.
Citation needed. We've gone over this ground plenty in this thread. Maybe take a sip of a frosty beverage, lean back in your chair and read through the previous posts.
Vasarto wrote: So, is anyone else going to fething point out how this model is the ugliest most useless fething model in the game?
It looks like a penis or a fething coffin. ITS UGLY.
SPACE WOLVES DO NOT fething FLY.
I mean...omfg.
Its blocky, ugly...that thing in the middle on top of the ship that looks like an open exposed engine. This is without a doubt the ugliest model in the game. More so than any other flyer.
I could make a better looking flyer than that.
I think the Storm Talon still holds that top spot personally. In any case, I'm not a fan of this model but I don't think either of your comparisons are accurate. If anything, it looks like that little german dog's head that someone posted earlier in the thread.
Vasarto wrote: So, is anyone else going to fething point out how this model is the ugliest most useless fething model in the game?
It looks like a penis or a fething coffin. ITS UGLY.
SPACE WOLVES DO NOT fething FLY.
I mean...omfg.
Its blocky, ugly...that thing in the middle on top of the ship that looks like an open exposed engine. This is without a doubt the ugliest model in the game. More so than any other flyer.
I could make a better looking flyer than that.
Good thing people have different opinions on stuff. I find both the Chibi Hawk, Storm Talon, and DA upgraded land speeder hands down worse looking than this assault ship. I like it because it specifically has a landing craft look to it (ala WWII) and with a little imagination, old school viking Long Boats. It just needs a dragon head on the front and a row of shields along its flank.
I like it. It looks like the baby brother of the Caestus Assault Ram. The transport version's one hell of a fluffy flyer for the Wolves: 16 angry, angry SW inside ready to leave the ship as soon as it lands and rip them to shreds
Oh, and SW do Fly... it would be stupid if they didn't since, ya know, FREAKIN' SPACE SHIPS.
Quite glad it looks like you can easily just not add most SW iconography: I'm thinking it'll be pretty easy to mod one to be either a pseudo-caestus or pseudo-storm...whatever (the standard Marine one).
TheDraconicLord wrote: I like it. It looks like the baby brother of the Caestus Assault Ram. The transport version's one hell of a fluffy flyer for the Wolves: 16 angry, angry SW inside ready to leave the ship as soon as it lands and rip them to shreds
Oh, and SW do Fly... it would be stupid if they didn't since, ya know, FREAKIN' SPACE SHIPS.
The sayings is more to do with the fact that only Blood Claws (new recruits) are vainglorious and battlehungry enough to use Jump Packs (or bikes). Oldder Wolves, like, Grey Hunter and up, prefer to fight with their feet firmly on the ground.
TheDraconicLord wrote: I like it. It looks like the baby brother of the Caestus Assault Ram. The transport version's one hell of a fluffy flyer for the Wolves: 16 angry, angry SW inside ready to leave the ship as soon as it lands and rip them to shreds
Oh, and SW do Fly... it would be stupid if they didn't since, ya know, FREAKIN' SPACE SHIPS.
The sayings is more to do with the fact that only Blood Claws (new recruits) are vainglorious and battlehungry enough to use Jump Packs (or bikes). Oldder Wolves, like, Grey Hunter and up, prefer to fight with their feet firmly on the ground.
That was retconned in to the 3rd ed codex and then retconned out of the 5th ed one (the current rules almost every HQ and also Wolf Guard can take jump packs).
Not enough wingspan on that craft. It looks like a rocket designed to launch forward guns blazing before it skids along the ground and the survivors jump out and fight.
The sad thing is, it would look really cool with a decent wingspan. The cockpit and body etc actually dont look bad for a SM flyer.
I really like this flyer. Between this and the Nephilim, all SM now have a good-looking dropship and a good-looking interceptor to proxy those horrid Chibi Hawks and Storm Guppies with.
Swastakowey wrote: It looks like a rocket designed to launch forward guns blazing before it skids along the ground and the survivors jump out and fight.
Yep, that's exactly the idea. Except the aim is to smash through the hull of an enemy starship. Assuming this IS supposed to be a smaller Caestus Assault Ram. If not, well, bang on the money!
Swastakowey wrote: It looks like a rocket designed to launch forward guns blazing before it skids along the ground and the survivors jump out and fight.
Yep, that's exactly the idea. Except the aim is to smash through the hull of an enemy starship. Assuming this IS supposed to be a smaller Caestus Assault Ram. If not, well, bang on the money!
Ok, well then it looks like exactly what it was designed for haha. Maybe
Despite how it is lacking a bit in some areas honestly this is better looking that the DA special speeder for sure. I like how in general it feels very wolfy. It looks like it is there for a specific job and that is its goal. To look fraking angry as all get out and dakka or carry troops to the front lines. Also all its guns really do have the space wolf feel to them too being that they are all mid ranged guns. Sure they are on a flyer though most all of what it does is 24"
TheDraconicLord wrote: I like it. It looks like the baby brother of the Caestus Assault Ram. The transport version's one hell of a fluffy flyer for the Wolves: 16 angry, angry SW inside ready to leave the ship as soon as it lands and rip them to shreds
Oh, and SW do Fly... it would be stupid if they didn't since, ya know, FREAKIN' SPACE SHIPS.
The sayings is more to do with the fact that only Blood Claws (new recruits) are vainglorious and battlehungry enough to use Jump Packs (or bikes). Oldder Wolves, like, Grey Hunter and up, prefer to fight with their feet firmly on the ground.
Putting the Flying/Teleporting debate to one side, it does seem like GW are pushing towards 16 BCs/15 BCs & IC, (remains to be seen whether the current maximum of 15 will increase to the rumoured 20), cramming into the Storm Wolf, which supports at least the meta that the young, impulsive wolves will engage in foolhardy, reckless tactics (BC, SC) whilst the older wolves will be more stoic and measured (GH, WG, LF).
10 GHs and an IC, (and possibly an additional WG, rule change dependent), still leaves 2 spots free, (and that's if the IC and WG are both in Terminator Armour, 4 spots if in regular Power Armour). Obviously 8 WG Terminators/7 & IC being the alternative, TH/SS at least having a decent chance to survive the AP1 hits when the thing is blown apart and smashes into the landscape!
I'm not sure if I'd bother to put anything in the Stormfang, potentially a basic 5 man squad of BCs... (for the cheapest option), but I don't see the point beyond last minute objective grabbing, and even then I don't think I'd want to drop this thing into Hover mode before the AA has been destroyed.
I wanted to get both... but out of sheer terror for my wallet of what might come next I'm leaning towards the Stormfang as I'm new to flyers, (having only ever played SWs), and because I think that pie plate of doom with MM and Lascannon/Missiles (but which one?) will be useful regardless of the coming changes.
Now I'm just waiting to see how the Dread/Bjorn combo kit looks, as well as the Wolf Lord kit. I hope to God its a combo kit with Ragnar, that would be an excellent trend for GW to start.
I like the thrusters on the bottom. At least now it looks like it can fly in atmosphere. Figure it stays up with some combination of the thrusters and anti-grav plates on the front maybe?
Thorgrim Bloodcrow wrote: I like the thrusters on the bottom. At least now it looks like it can fly in atmosphere. Figure it stays up with some combination of the thrusters and anti-grav plates on the front maybe?
It looks like they added plating to the underside of the main body to help protect it as it bounces along the ground to its target, propelled by its engines. Just helps ensure at least some of the crew make it to the destination with their shins.
Then how to they travel to different words? Willpower?
This reminds me of the old 3.5 CSM codex and the rules for Blood Rage on MoK units - to summarise, on a 1-2 each turn they would get out of their vehicle and start running.
In theory this meant the World Eaters would never have gotten from planet to planet...
As someone rolls the 1 and the entire warband jumps out the ship and starts running through space....
Got to the point where a friend was willing to pay 15 points for child locks on his vehicles if he could.
I am making a Khorne wolves list. Very barbaric, I will have tons of fun tacking on crucified loyalists to the sides with various stages of re-entry burns on them
someone else said it right. they look like flying coffins. really not much imagination put into their designs, it lo
looks like.
'just glue some cannons to a box, put a ramp on the front, and include lots of wolfy bitz. they'll buy it.'
gw impresses me less and less, lately.
Vasarto wrote: I ordered the model. I will have it in a week or so.
After looking at its rules. Having a Blast jaws of the world wolf cannon seems pretty fething cool.
Yeah the rules on the gunship are epic, I'll enjoy rocking it. The roof-mounted weapons worry me though, I have a feeling it won't be worth upgrading them to lascannons cuz you'll rarely hit anything with them.
Brother Payne wrote: I cease to be amazed at the GW design team. How the FETH does that thing fly?! I mean seriously.
38,000 years into the future I'm going to guess they figured out a way to handle not needing to worry about aerodynamics. They even have expressed that it uses some sort of anti-grav plating. Especially since atmosphere is not the only arena they fight in.
We went from riding horses to rockets to the moon in about 100 years. I'm sure it's not hard to imagine them figuring something out in 38 thousand years.
Realistically speaking, very few sci-fi flyers(including outside of 40k) are anything close to what we consider air worthy today.
Brother Payne wrote: I cease to be amazed at the GW design team. How the FETH does that thing fly?! I mean seriously.
How does a Landspeeder fly? A Thunderhawk? Even the vaguely 'plane-shaped Forgeworld fighters are hardly sleek aerodynamic designs.
Seriously people will happily sit down and play a game opposite flying metal pyramids and French breakfast pastries, but the Stormwolf is the line that cannot be crossed? GW deserves a LOT of flag for a LOT of reasons, the plausibility of the flight model of Space Marine aerobricks in a sci-fantasy universe with antigrav tech is not one of them; if you don't like the aesthetics, just say so, you don't need a technical reason for your dislike to make it a valid opinion.
Except this is very much not how anti-gravity technology works, as established in the fluff. Handwaving it with "anti-grav" doesn't work unless it's suddenly an Eldar skimmer.
Frozen Ocean wrote: Except this is very much not how anti-gravity technology works, as established in the fluff. Handwaving it with "anti-grav" doesn't work unless it's suddenly an Eldar skimmer.
So how does the fluff define anti-gravity technology?
Vasarto wrote: I ordered the model. I will have it in a week or so.
After looking at its rules. Having a Blast jaws of the world wolf cannon seems pretty fething cool.
Yeah the rules on the gunship are epic, I'll enjoy rocking it. The roof-mounted weapons worry me though, I have a feeling it won't be worth upgrading them to lascannons cuz you'll rarely hit anything with them.
The ship actually looks to be angled toward the dirt so I am betting it has better LOS then most other fliers out there.
The flying brick is not supposed to be like a conventional aircraft as it clearly lacks landing gear. It looks like something that would drop in to the atmosphere from an orbiting space ship and 'fly' using brute force to smash through an enemy fortification and unload troops.
The biggest offender from the 360 for me is turning out to be the air intake on the "hood." They went and made it look like a dogs nose from the side, should be an easy enough piece to alter or leave off though. That and the pointless front end fins, I doubt those would do much and they look kind of out of place like they were added after the fact.
I don't think its bad at all though. Had this been a blood angel flier I bet the leap toward dog head wouldn't be a thing. Honestly if you look at the Castus AR it looks like a giant dog head too and I believe someone else pointed out that it looks like a luck dragon in another thread Yet it is considered a great model, probably because it is a vanilla craft making the connection much less natural.
Brother Payne wrote: I cease to be amazed at the GW design team. How the FETH does that thing fly?! I mean seriously.
Same way the Thunderhawk can fly. Through sheer defiance.
It's a little known fact that if you tell the laws of physics to piss off hard enough, and if you are bad ass enough, then the laws of aerodynamics simply cease to apply.
The Orks understand this well
Brother Payne wrote: I cease to be amazed at the GW design team. How the FETH does that thing fly?! I mean seriously.
Same way the Thunderhawk can fly. Through sheer defiance.
It's a little known fact that if you tell the laws of physics to piss off hard enough, and if you are bad ass enough, then the laws of aerodynamics simply cease to apply.
The Orks understand this well
Brother Payne wrote: I cease to be amazed at the GW design team. How the FETH does that thing fly?! I mean seriously.
Same way the Thunderhawk can fly. Through sheer defiance.
It's a little known fact that if you tell the laws of physics to piss off hard enough, and if you are bad ass enough, then the laws of aerodynamics simply cease to apply.
The Orks understand this well
Brother Payne wrote: I cease to be amazed at the GW design team. How the FETH does that thing fly?! I mean seriously.
Same way the Thunderhawk can fly. Through sheer defiance.
It's a little known fact that if you tell the laws of physics to piss off hard enough, and if you are bad ass enough, then the laws of aerodynamics simply cease to apply.
The Orks understand this well
via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
Bjorn, New , SW unique Drednaught with Rampage and Furios Charge. Ap2 talons with shred.
And Space Wolves codex
Well it looks like I'm one rumour ahead then, I heard from someone on here that it looks likely there is going to be a plastic tech priest. + other plastic characters most likely a rune priest too.
As for the fliers, I like them. They're no more ridiculous than any other Imperial flier, and I do like their "Flying brick of death" thing they've got going.
ChrisB wrote: There's also the 'murderfang' will try and upload a picture of Bjorn
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I....hmm. I'll have to wait for the sprue pics for that one; first glance it's got too much gaudy detail, but a lot of GW releases lately have looked like arse because of the OTT paintjobs, so it's possible it will look fantastic with a more restrained palette.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: Murderfang...I was not aware Dethklok was part of the design team.
And in my book, you win this thread. I can't take Bjorn seriously after my buddies and I renamed our friend's Space Wolf army into "Space Bears", and every unit, rule, or weapon has the word "Bear" in it. Thus, Bjorn Bearhand. We imagine he would have half a live bear as one of his hands.
I was reading the latest White Dwarf that detailed the Stormfang, and I read Nic Ho's justification for the design. It made me cringe. "They are afraid to fly." Okay look, I know they arn't fond of jump packs, and they aren't fond of teleportation, but you really expect me to believe that the Space Marine Chapter that calls itself the SKY WARRIORS are afraid to fly?
I still think that skyboat looks ugly, and I can't bring myself to get one. I'll run my Storm Raven as one if I have to, but that Stormfang looks literally like a brick with wings.
ChrisB wrote: There's also the 'murderfang' will try and upload a picture of Bjorn
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That is a lot of bling. I wonder how much is optional and how much is sculpted; I'd probably give Bjorn the works and tone it down for any further Dreadnoughts. Good to see they haven't moved too far away from the original chassis either, (doesn't invalidate my custom dreads). I always wanted to pick Bjorn up but his old mold was simply too unrefined, (I would much prefer they redid Bjorn/Dreadnought, Ulric/Wolf Priest and Ragnar/Wolf Lord than say Logan, even if he is a little off scale in his TDA).
Overall I like it, although I pray to the Allfather he comes with a few ranged options. If the claw is indeed AP2, Rampage and Furious Charge then Bjorn is charging straight down the middle... you know, as long as he is survivable. What were the old options, Assault Cannon or Plasma Cannon?
ChrisB wrote: There's also the 'murderfang' will try and upload a picture of Bjorn
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That is a lot of bling. I wonder how much is optional and how much is sculpted; I'd probably give Bjorn the works and tone it down for any further Dreadnoughts. Good to see they haven't moved too far away from the original chassis either, (doesn't invalidate my custom dreads). I always wanted to pick Bjorn up but his old mold was simply too unrefined, (I would much prefer they redid Bjorn/Dreadnought, Ulric/Wolf Priest and Ragnar/Wolf Lord than say Logan, even if he is a little off scale in his TDA).
Overall I like it, although I pray to the Allfather he comes with a few ranged options. If the claw is indeed AP2, Rampage and Furious Charge then Bjorn is charging straight down the middle... you know, as long as he is survivable. What were the old options, Assault Cannon or Plasma Cannon?
AC, plasma Cannon, or LC. Like I said I really hope he has an option to take a second CCW. Bjorn is made for melee, not shooting crap, BS6 or not...
C'mon, guys - if there is a dreadnought that SHOULD be covered in bling and gaudy, it's Bjorn - the oldest living Space Marine. When the mark of service to the Emperor is a carpet tack in your forehead for a mere hundred years, and Bjorn has served over 10,000...damn right he should have gold wolves and stuff everywhere.
Yeah a bit disappointing. Just a regular Dread with too much bling and an oversized claw. They didn't even do the claw like it is on the cover of Battle of the Fang which would have looked cooler.
The Forge World SW Dread looks a million times better.
It's fluff accurate. I guess hoping they retconned him into a different chassis isn't unreasonable, but they have a lot of background for him being in that chassis.
Bulldogging wrote: It's fluff accurate. I guess hoping they retconned him into a different chassis isn't unreasonable, but they have a lot of background for him being in that chassis.
When is that chassis from? I thought Bjorn himself was fluff inaccurate because they retconned in different chassis for earlier dreads and since Bjorn is so old he'd be on one of the older chassis. But since Bjorn came out in 2nd before the older chassis were introduced, he got stuck with the standard dread pattern (the Bjorn model is one of the oldest still available).
Bulldogging wrote: It's fluff accurate. I guess hoping they retconned him into a different chassis isn't unreasonable, but they have a lot of background for him being in that chassis.
When is that chassis from? I thought Bjorn himself was fluff inaccurate because they retconned in different chassis for earlier dreads and since Bjorn is so old he'd be on one of the older chassis. But since Bjorn came out in 2nd before the older chassis were introduced, he got stuck with the standard dread pattern (the Bjorn model is one of the oldest still available).
It's a weird progression, honestly. This is the "original" dreadnought chassis right here:
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Obviously, Bjorn didn't end up in one of those old things, he ended up in the "current" dreadnought iteration. Or at least, the design that was "current' when Bjorn was interred:
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Then Forge World was like "nah bros, like, during 30k the space marines used these dreadnoughts!"
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I actually asked the question of why Bjorn didn't end up in one, and the answer was basically "those frames were already 'old' when Bjorn needed to be interred, and they didn't make them anymore", which of course makes no sense as that would mean any currently run contemptor dreads would have space marines older than Bjorn who fought along side the Emperor.
streamdragon wrote: I actually asked the question of why Bjorn didn't end up in one, and the answer was basically "those frames were already 'old' when Bjorn needed to be interred, and they didn't make them anymore", which of course makes no sense as that would mean any currently run contemptor dreads would have space marines older than Bjorn who fought along side the Emperor.
A dreadnought can have multiple occupants over its in-service lifetime.
Which marks of dreadnought, if any, we're introduced post heresy?
Just fanwank here, but perhaps Bjorn's original chassis was so old and battle-worn that it became irreparable and he had to be interred in a newer model of Dreadnought?
I've heard a few things about it, I can't remember all the sources.
1) He isn't in a contemptor because they are considered bad mojo. Dark Sagas.
2) He isn't in a contemptor because the Mark V is more reliable/easier to repair and it was the most common. So it was likely the only option anyway. Space Marines don't tend to kick people out of them for other people.
That's of course to make the fluff fit, which leaves
3) He is in one because that was the model he was put in when first made, and countless official GW images have him in a Mark V. So he's a Mark V.
I personally love the Grim darkness of a Coffin with legs. The contemptor is awesome, but, just off for me somehow.
One thing to remember, he was not interned during the Heresy, but some time after it.
I would be kind of sensible to interpret it that way. I mean, heck, was the original version of Epic- called Space Marine- older than the original Bjorn sculpt? Because that version of Epic took place between Marines during the Horus Heresy, and the dreadnought sculpts therein were what FW used as inspiration for their Contemptors.
So it's possible that with hindsight, even when the original Bjorn came out, he was in a modern-day dreadnought model. So maybe his Contemptor was indeed just too far damaged so he was moved to a new pattern chassis.
AegisGrimm wrote: I would be kind of sensible to interpret it that way. I mean, heck, was the original version of Epic- called Space Marine- older than the original Bjorn sculpt? Because that version of Epic took place between Marines during the Horus Heresy, and the dreadnought sculpts therein were what FW used as inspiration for their Contemptors.
So it's possible that with hindsight, even when the original Bjorn came out, he was in a modern-day dreadnought model. So maybe his Contemptor was indeed just too far damaged so he was moved to a new pattern chassis.
Another very possible reason.
In other words, there are any number of viable reasons he is in a Mark V.
That's true too. They are like power armor MK's, just extremely more rare.
So if a Chapter has a Contemptor left, then it would probably go to the most respected and lauded Marine upon his "rebirth", even if there are older marines in other, newer Dreadnoughts. Thuogh probably it would go to the oldest, for the same above reasons.
Bulldogging wrote: I've heard a few things about it, I can't remember all the sources.
1) He isn't in a contemptor because they are considered bad mojo. Dark Sagas.
Source is IA Apocalypse 2nd edition. Though Björn isn't mentioned.
*Space Wolves always had very few Contemptors
*dark reputation that also taints the inhabitants
*Iron Priests began to put only warriors in who were already kinda difficult/dark in life
*Sagas: Oathes of Sundered Brotherhood, Hubris and Master of Slaughter
Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote: I'm honestly not seeing why so many people love the contemptor design. It looks way too retro-50s-Iron-Giant for me...
It fits the chain of Contemptor -> TDA -> Power Armour in terms of aesthetics much more than the traditional Dreadnought does. Which is fine when you consider that Dreads are vehicles, but people like continuity of design, even if just subconsciously.
As for Bjorn, yeah, I'll just put some bling on a Contemptor. Never really liked the traditional Dread design that much.
General Information about Codex: Space Wolves
Sagas are out, replaced with Warlord Traits
6 new Space Wolves Tactical Objectives
New Space Wolves Psychic Discipline: Tempestas (Source didn't get any actual rules though)
'Space Wolves Unleashed' Detachment FOC:
Identical to standard FOC, except may take up to 6 HQs May re-roll Warlord Traits
Each unit joined by an Independent Character rolls a d6, on a 6+ that unit gains Outflank. Troops choices get +2 on this roll.
Great Company Formation:
1 Wolf Lord
1 Wolf Guard Battle Leader
1 unit of Wolf Guard
5 units of Grey Hunters
1 unit of Wolf Scouts
5 units chosen from [Blood Claws, Swiftclaws, or Skyclaws]
2 units of Long Fangs
Grants two special rules, source did not get them
Space Wolves Relics (Source didn't get rules, just name and type of item)
Armor of Russ (Armor)
Bite of Fenris (Bolter with two fire modes)
Black Death (Frost Axe, Rule: Whirldwind of Death)
Helm of Durfast (Wargear)
Fangsword of the Ice Wolf (Frost Sword)
Wulfenstone (Wargear)
Logan Grimnar - Lord of War
Epic new model, comes with a sort of grav-chariot called 'Stormrider' pulled by two enormous Fenrisian wolves, but he can be used without it as well.
Stormrider
Treated as a vehicle, didn't get AVs, has a 4+ Invulnerable save and cannot suffer Penetrating hits (all Pens are reduced to Glances).
Gives Logan 4 S5 Ap- attacks on a turn when he charges.
Logan loses Deep Strike if he takes Stormrider
Lots of other cool rules, but didn't get those.
Njal Stormcaller
No new model shown in codex
Looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Ragnar Blackmane
No new model shown in codex
Also looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Ulrik the Slayer
No new model shown in codex
Also looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Canis Wolfborn
Again, looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Harald Deathwolf
The resin Thunderwolf Cavalry character model assigned a name
Didn't get the rules/stats.
Bjorn the Fell-Handed
Epic new plastic model, part of a box that makes a regular SW Venerable Dreadnought, Bjorn, or a new special character Dreadnought named 'Murderfang'.
No longer becomes a VP objective when he dies.
Wolf Lord
Mostly the same, no specific information.
Rune Priest
Mostly the same.
Specifically noted as starting at Mastery Level 2.
No other information.
Wolf Priest
Mostly the same, no specific information
Wolf Guard Battle Leader
Mostly the same, no specific information
Blood Claws Pack
Wolf Guard Leader upgrade available
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
No other information
Lukas the Trickster
No specific information, probably the same.
Grey Hunters Pack
Any model may add a Close Combat Weapon for +2 points
One Special weapon per full five models still, but costs raised to same as C:SMs Wolf Guard Upgrade available
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
No other information
Dreadnought
Not sure, but might have an option for a Helfrost Cannon
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
Murderfang
Crazy-awesome special character Venerable Dreadnought
Wolverine + Dreadnought + Extra Insanity = Murderfang
Wargear:
Searchlight
'Murderclaws' with underslung Storm Bolter and Heavy Flamer
Special Rules:
Furious Charge
It Will Not Die
Rage
Rampage
Murderlust
Options:
May take a Drop Pod
'Murderclaws' - A pair of enormous, even for a Dreadnought, Lightning Claws made of 'alien ice that never melts or loses sharpness'
S7 AP2 - Melee, Master-Crafted, Shred, Specialist Weapon
Venerable Dreadnought
Definitely has an option for a Helfrost Cannon
Can also have an enormous Power Axe and Storm Shield, said to look incredible.
Some special rules, but didn't get them
Iron Priest
No new model shown in codex
Options appeared to be nearly identical to old codex,
Can take a unit of 1-5 Servitors, rules also looked the same as old codex
No other information
Lone Wolf
Rules nearly identical to old codex, didn't get points cost
Owning player no longer gains a VP if they die
No other information
Wolf Guard Pack
This unit is just for Wolf Guard in Power Armor.
Have a similarly wide array of options as in the old codex, couldn't get specifics though
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
Wolf Guard Terminator Pack
What it says on the tin, Wolf Guard in TDA with Storm Bolter and Power Weapon base
Options (any model in the unit can take these, this isn't all of the options though):
Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield
Pair of Wolf Claws
Power Fist
Frost Axes
Frost Sword
Combi-weapon
Heavy Flamer
Assault Cannon
Cyclone Missile Launcher
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
Arjac Rockfist
Mostly the same, no specific information
Wolf Scouts
Source totally forgot to look at them. Sorry guys.
Swiftclaw Pack
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
Skyclaw Assault Pack
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
Thunderwolf Cavalry
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
As noted previously:
Stormwolf - Fast Attack
BS4 - F12 S12 R12 HP3 - Vehicle (Flyer, Hover, Transport)
Wargear:
Twin-linked helfrost cannon
Twin-linked lascannon
Two twin-linked heavy bolters - May be replaced with a Skyhammer launcher for free, or two twin-linked multi-meltas
Ceramite Plating
Special Rules:
Assault Vehicle
Power of the Machine Spirit
Transport:
Transport Capacity - sixteen models
Fire Points - none
Access Points - One ramp at the front of the hull
Stormfang Gunship - Heavy Support
BS4 - F12 S12 R12 HP3 - Vehicle (Flyer, Hover Transport)
Wargear:
Helfrost destructor
Two twin-linked heavy bolters - May be replaced with a Skyhammer launcher for free, or two twin-linked multi-meltas
Two Stormstrike missiles - May be replaced with a twin-linked lascannon
Ceramite Plating
Special Rules:
Power of the Machine Spirit
Transport:
Transport Capacity - six models
Fire Points - none
Access Points - One at rear of the hull
Helfrost cannon
dispersed - R24" S6 AP3 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Blast
focussed - R24" S8 AP1 Heavy 1, Helfrost
Helfrost destructor
dispersed - R24" S6 AP3 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Large Blast
focussed - R24" S8 AP1 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Lance
Helfrost - If a model suffers one or more unsaved wounds from this weapon, it must pass a separate Strength test for each wound suffered or be removed from play
Land Speeder Squadron
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Fenrisian Wolf Pack
Nearly identical to old codex, no specific information
Long Fangs Pack
Couple of new options for squad leader, who is now called a 'Long Fang Ancient'
Source did not get if they had an option for Flakk Missiles
Might be able to take a Stormwolf/Stormfang as a Dedicated Transport, not sure about this though
Otherwise nearly identical to old codex, no other information
Predator
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Whirlwind
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Vindicator
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Land Raider and variants
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Rhino and Razorback
No Helfrost Cannon option for the Razorback, same as Codex: Space Marines
Drop Pod
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Notable Exclusions from Codex: Space Marines
No Stormtalon
No Storm Raven
No Hunter or Stalker
Space Wolves AA options: Stormwolf, Stormfang, ADL gun emplacement, and Allies
I do NOT like what I'm hearing so far IF this is true. 2pts for GH to get a CCW? No new model for Ragnar?
Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote: I'm honestly not seeing why so many people love the contemptor design. It looks way too retro-50s-Iron-Giant for me...
I'm with you on this one brother. I'm so grateful they went for the traditional chassis for Bjorn, both in terms of me preferring the standard Mark V and in terms of not throwing my existing Mark V 'conversions' (read: wolf-blinged) out of whack. Just want a decent eyes-on that sprue, (although I'll probably just make Bjorn and use him as a 'counts-as' if needs be, can't imagine I'll need two right away).
General Information about Codex: Space Wolves
Sagas are out, replaced with Warlord Traits
6 new Space Wolves Tactical Objectives
New Space Wolves Psychic Discipline: Tempestas (Source didn't get any actual rules though)
'Space Wolves Unleashed' Detachment FOC:
Identical to standard FOC, except may take up to 6 HQs May re-roll Warlord Traits
Each unit joined by an Independent Character rolls a d6, on a 6+ that unit gains Outflank. Troops choices get +2 on this roll.
Great Company Formation:
1 Wolf Lord
1 Wolf Guard Battle Leader
1 unit of Wolf Guard
5 units of Grey Hunters
1 unit of Wolf Scouts
5 units chosen from [Blood Claws, Swiftclaws, or Skyclaws]
2 units of Long Fangs
Grants two special rules, source did not get them
Space Wolves Relics (Source didn't get rules, just name and type of item)
Armor of Russ (Armor)
Bite of Fenris (Bolter with two fire modes)
Black Death (Frost Axe, Rule: Whirldwind of Death)
Helm of Durfast (Wargear)
Fangsword of the Ice Wolf (Frost Sword)
Wulfenstone (Wargear)
Logan Grimnar - Lord of War
Epic new model, comes with a sort of grav-chariot called 'Stormrider' pulled by two enormous Fenrisian wolves, but he can be used without it as well.
Stormrider
Treated as a vehicle, didn't get AVs, has a 4+ Invulnerable save and cannot suffer Penetrating hits (all Pens are reduced to Glances).
Gives Logan 4 S5 Ap- attacks on a turn when he charges.
Logan loses Deep Strike if he takes Stormrider
Lots of other cool rules, but didn't get those.
Njal Stormcaller
No new model shown in codex
Looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Ragnar Blackmane
No new model shown in codex
Also looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Ulrik the Slayer
No new model shown in codex
Also looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Canis Wolfborn
Again, looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Harald Deathwolf
The resin Thunderwolf Cavalry character model assigned a name
Didn't get the rules/stats.
Bjorn the Fell-Handed
Epic new plastic model, part of a box that makes a regular SW Venerable Dreadnought, Bjorn, or a new special character Dreadnought named 'Murderfang'.
No longer becomes a VP objective when he dies.
Wolf Lord
Mostly the same, no specific information.
Rune Priest
Mostly the same.
Specifically noted as starting at Mastery Level 2.
No other information.
Wolf Priest
Mostly the same, no specific information
Wolf Guard Battle Leader
Mostly the same, no specific information
Blood Claws Pack
Wolf Guard Leader upgrade available
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
No other information
Lukas the Trickster
No specific information, probably the same.
Grey Hunters Pack
Any model may add a Close Combat Weapon for +2 points
One Special weapon per full five models still, but costs raised to same as C:SMs Wolf Guard Upgrade available
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
No other information
Dreadnought
Not sure, but might have an option for a Helfrost Cannon
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
Murderfang
Crazy-awesome special character Venerable Dreadnought
Wolverine + Dreadnought + Extra Insanity = Murderfang
Wargear:
Searchlight
'Murderclaws' with underslung Storm Bolter and Heavy Flamer
Special Rules:
Furious Charge
It Will Not Die
Rage
Rampage
Murderlust
Options:
May take a Drop Pod
'Murderclaws' - A pair of enormous, even for a Dreadnought, Lightning Claws made of 'alien ice that never melts or loses sharpness'
S7 AP2 - Melee, Master-Crafted, Shred, Specialist Weapon
Venerable Dreadnought
Definitely has an option for a Helfrost Cannon
Can also have an enormous Power Axe and Storm Shield, said to look incredible.
Some special rules, but didn't get them
Iron Priest
No new model shown in codex
Options appeared to be nearly identical to old codex,
Can take a unit of 1-5 Servitors, rules also looked the same as old codex
No other information
Lone Wolf
Rules nearly identical to old codex, didn't get points cost
Owning player no longer gains a VP if they die
No other information
Wolf Guard Pack
This unit is just for Wolf Guard in Power Armor.
Have a similarly wide array of options as in the old codex, couldn't get specifics though
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
Wolf Guard Terminator Pack
What it says on the tin, Wolf Guard in TDA with Storm Bolter and Power Weapon base
Options (any model in the unit can take these, this isn't all of the options though):
Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield
Pair of Wolf Claws
Power Fist
Frost Axes
Frost Sword
Combi-weapon
Heavy Flamer
Assault Cannon
Cyclone Missile Launcher
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
Arjac Rockfist
Mostly the same, no specific information
Wolf Scouts
Source totally forgot to look at them. Sorry guys.
Swiftclaw Pack
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
Skyclaw Assault Pack
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
Thunderwolf Cavalry
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
As noted previously:
Stormwolf - Fast Attack
BS4 - F12 S12 R12 HP3 - Vehicle (Flyer, Hover, Transport)
Wargear:
Twin-linked helfrost cannon
Twin-linked lascannon
Two twin-linked heavy bolters - May be replaced with a Skyhammer launcher for free, or two twin-linked multi-meltas
Ceramite Plating
Special Rules:
Assault Vehicle
Power of the Machine Spirit
Transport:
Transport Capacity - sixteen models
Fire Points - none
Access Points - One ramp at the front of the hull
Stormfang Gunship - Heavy Support
BS4 - F12 S12 R12 HP3 - Vehicle (Flyer, Hover Transport)
Wargear:
Helfrost destructor
Two twin-linked heavy bolters - May be replaced with a Skyhammer launcher for free, or two twin-linked multi-meltas
Two Stormstrike missiles - May be replaced with a twin-linked lascannon
Ceramite Plating
Special Rules:
Power of the Machine Spirit
Transport:
Transport Capacity - six models
Fire Points - none
Access Points - One at rear of the hull
Helfrost cannon
dispersed - R24" S6 AP3 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Blast
focussed - R24" S8 AP1 Heavy 1, Helfrost
Helfrost destructor
dispersed - R24" S6 AP3 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Large Blast
focussed - R24" S8 AP1 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Lance
Helfrost - If a model suffers one or more unsaved wounds from this weapon, it must pass a separate Strength test for each wound suffered or be removed from play
Land Speeder Squadron
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Fenrisian Wolf Pack
Nearly identical to old codex, no specific information
Long Fangs Pack
Couple of new options for squad leader, who is now called a 'Long Fang Ancient'
Source did not get if they had an option for Flakk Missiles
Might be able to take a Stormwolf/Stormfang as a Dedicated Transport, not sure about this though
Otherwise nearly identical to old codex, no other information
Predator
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Whirlwind
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Vindicator
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Land Raider and variants
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Rhino and Razorback
No Helfrost Cannon option for the Razorback, same as Codex: Space Marines
Drop Pod
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Notable Exclusions from Codex: Space Marines
No Stormtalon
No Storm Raven
No Hunter or Stalker
Space Wolves AA options: Stormwolf, Stormfang, ADL gun emplacement, and Allies
I do NOT like what I'm hearing so far IF this is true. 2pts for GH to get a CCW? No new model for Ragnar?
Thanks for the post dude... let the chaos begin!
My main concern at this time is the way the close combat options are listed for WG Termies, i.e. "a pair of wolf claws" or "a powerfist/a chainfist" as I have five models in TDA all with a wolf claw and powerfist/chainfist, (cheesy way of having two specialist weapons for the +1 attack and yet be able to choose between them). I guess I expected this after the standardisation of Codex: Space Marines but was hoping we might retain our 'flair' somewhat. Worse than that however is my Wolf Lord on Thunderwolf with the same loadout... reallllly hate ripping models apart; I've left my Stormclaw Termies on the sprue for this very reason.
Murderfang sounds ridiculous, both in the vernacular and gameplay sense, (although I came to terms with the former the day I chose Wolves). Perhaps I will need two of those new Dreadnought kits after all... damn.
Glad to see Canis in the book after rumours of his removal, interested to see what Harald will bring to the table, (rumoured TWC as Troops choice seems a bit harsh to all those Orks players out there that lost Nob bikers!)
Finally, a proper use for Acute Senses!
I'm fine with not having the Codex: Space Marines omissions as above, and it makes sense from a fiscal sense for GW to only throw the Helfrost weapons on the new kits, as much as it pains me to admit it.
Those Logan rumours seem waaaaay and beyond what even I would deem to be a bit much for us Wolves players but damn do I want one if it turns out to be true, a) crazy chariot rules, b) for the hobbyist in me and c) just to hear the calamitous complaints from every single non-Wolves player-opponent.
Although again, I wish they would make dual kits for Ulric/Wolf Priest and Ragnar/Wolf Lord, or even just new kits - Iron Priest has already had some work done for the flyer too, (the former just making more sense), those guys fall into the same camp as old Bjorn in my book - too old school for me to want to put in my army. The whole mannequin/staring directly forward pose really doesn't do it for me.
Really? Of all the unique and interesting things they could have done with the space wolves, they decided that YET ANOTHER dreadnought kit was the way to go. Amazingly creative, god i love the design department sometimes. When it comes to loyalist chapters they could just install a copy machine and fire the staff.
General Information about Codex: Space Wolves
Sagas are out, replaced with Warlord Traits
6 new Space Wolves Tactical Objectives
New Space Wolves Psychic Discipline: Tempestas (Source didn't get any actual rules though)
'Space Wolves Unleashed' Detachment FOC:
Identical to standard FOC, except may take up to 6 HQs May re-roll Warlord Traits
Each unit joined by an Independent Character rolls a d6, on a 6+ that unit gains Outflank. Troops choices get +2 on this roll.
Great Company Formation:
1 Wolf Lord
1 Wolf Guard Battle Leader
1 unit of Wolf Guard
5 units of Grey Hunters
1 unit of Wolf Scouts
5 units chosen from [Blood Claws, Swiftclaws, or Skyclaws]
2 units of Long Fangs
Grants two special rules, source did not get them
Space Wolves Relics (Source didn't get rules, just name and type of item)
Armor of Russ (Armor)
Bite of Fenris (Bolter with two fire modes)
Black Death (Frost Axe, Rule: Whirldwind of Death)
Helm of Durfast (Wargear)
Fangsword of the Ice Wolf (Frost Sword)
Wulfenstone (Wargear)
Logan Grimnar - Lord of War
Epic new model, comes with a sort of grav-chariot called 'Stormrider' pulled by two enormous Fenrisian wolves, but he can be used without it as well.
Stormrider
Treated as a vehicle, didn't get AVs, has a 4+ Invulnerable save and cannot suffer Penetrating hits (all Pens are reduced to Glances).
Gives Logan 4 S5 Ap- attacks on a turn when he charges.
Logan loses Deep Strike if he takes Stormrider
Lots of other cool rules, but didn't get those.
Njal Stormcaller
No new model shown in codex
Looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Ragnar Blackmane
No new model shown in codex
Also looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Ulrik the Slayer
No new model shown in codex
Also looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Canis Wolfborn
Again, looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Harald Deathwolf
The resin Thunderwolf Cavalry character model assigned a name
Didn't get the rules/stats.
Bjorn the Fell-Handed
Epic new plastic model, part of a box that makes a regular SW Venerable Dreadnought, Bjorn, or a new special character Dreadnought named 'Murderfang'.
No longer becomes a VP objective when he dies.
Wolf Lord
Mostly the same, no specific information.
Rune Priest
Mostly the same.
Specifically noted as starting at Mastery Level 2.
No other information.
Wolf Priest
Mostly the same, no specific information
Wolf Guard Battle Leader
Mostly the same, no specific information
Blood Claws Pack
Wolf Guard Leader upgrade available
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
No other information
Lukas the Trickster
No specific information, probably the same.
Grey Hunters Pack
Any model may add a Close Combat Weapon for +2 points
One Special weapon per full five models still, but costs raised to same as C:SMs Wolf Guard Upgrade available
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
No other information
Dreadnought
Not sure, but might have an option for a Helfrost Cannon
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
Murderfang
Crazy-awesome special character Venerable Dreadnought
Wolverine + Dreadnought + Extra Insanity = Murderfang
Wargear:
Searchlight
'Murderclaws' with underslung Storm Bolter and Heavy Flamer
Special Rules:
Furious Charge
It Will Not Die
Rage
Rampage
Murderlust
Options:
May take a Drop Pod
'Murderclaws' - A pair of enormous, even for a Dreadnought, Lightning Claws made of 'alien ice that never melts or loses sharpness'
S7 AP2 - Melee, Master-Crafted, Shred, Specialist Weapon
Venerable Dreadnought
Definitely has an option for a Helfrost Cannon
Can also have an enormous Power Axe and Storm Shield, said to look incredible.
Some special rules, but didn't get them
Iron Priest
No new model shown in codex
Options appeared to be nearly identical to old codex,
Can take a unit of 1-5 Servitors, rules also looked the same as old codex
No other information
Lone Wolf
Rules nearly identical to old codex, didn't get points cost
Owning player no longer gains a VP if they die
No other information
Wolf Guard Pack
This unit is just for Wolf Guard in Power Armor.
Have a similarly wide array of options as in the old codex, couldn't get specifics though
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
Wolf Guard Terminator Pack
What it says on the tin, Wolf Guard in TDA with Storm Bolter and Power Weapon base
Options (any model in the unit can take these, this isn't all of the options though):
Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield
Pair of Wolf Claws
Power Fist
Frost Axes
Frost Sword
Combi-weapon
Heavy Flamer
Assault Cannon
Cyclone Missile Launcher
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
Arjac Rockfist
Mostly the same, no specific information
Wolf Scouts
Source totally forgot to look at them. Sorry guys.
Swiftclaw Pack
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
Skyclaw Assault Pack
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
Thunderwolf Cavalry
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
As noted previously:
Stormwolf - Fast Attack
BS4 - F12 S12 R12 HP3 - Vehicle (Flyer, Hover, Transport)
Wargear:
Twin-linked helfrost cannon
Twin-linked lascannon
Two twin-linked heavy bolters - May be replaced with a Skyhammer launcher for free, or two twin-linked multi-meltas
Ceramite Plating
Special Rules:
Assault Vehicle
Power of the Machine Spirit
Transport:
Transport Capacity - sixteen models
Fire Points - none
Access Points - One ramp at the front of the hull
Stormfang Gunship - Heavy Support
BS4 - F12 S12 R12 HP3 - Vehicle (Flyer, Hover Transport)
Wargear:
Helfrost destructor
Two twin-linked heavy bolters - May be replaced with a Skyhammer launcher for free, or two twin-linked multi-meltas
Two Stormstrike missiles - May be replaced with a twin-linked lascannon
Ceramite Plating
Special Rules:
Power of the Machine Spirit
Transport:
Transport Capacity - six models
Fire Points - none
Access Points - One at rear of the hull
Helfrost cannon
dispersed - R24" S6 AP3 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Blast
focussed - R24" S8 AP1 Heavy 1, Helfrost
Helfrost destructor
dispersed - R24" S6 AP3 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Large Blast
focussed - R24" S8 AP1 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Lance
Helfrost - If a model suffers one or more unsaved wounds from this weapon, it must pass a separate Strength test for each wound suffered or be removed from play
Land Speeder Squadron
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Fenrisian Wolf Pack
Nearly identical to old codex, no specific information
Long Fangs Pack
Couple of new options for squad leader, who is now called a 'Long Fang Ancient'
Source did not get if they had an option for Flakk Missiles
Might be able to take a Stormwolf/Stormfang as a Dedicated Transport, not sure about this though
Otherwise nearly identical to old codex, no other information
Predator
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Whirlwind
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Vindicator
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Land Raider and variants
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Rhino and Razorback
No Helfrost Cannon option for the Razorback, same as Codex: Space Marines
Drop Pod
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Notable Exclusions from Codex: Space Marines
No Stormtalon
No Storm Raven
No Hunter or Stalker
Space Wolves AA options: Stormwolf, Stormfang, ADL gun emplacement, and Allies
I do NOT like what I'm hearing so far IF this is true. 2pts for GH to get a CCW? No new model for Ragnar?
My troll whiskers are twitching.
Not you, FS, but the source for the poster on BoLS. What I suspect we have here is a bunch of wishlist carefully adjusted to sound informed and blended with what we already know or suspect.
I may be wrong, but Grimnar in a super hover chariot is stretching my credulity.
General Information about Codex: Space Wolves Sagas are out, replaced with Warlord Traits 6 new Space Wolves Tactical Objectives New Space Wolves Psychic Discipline: Tempestas (Source didn't get any actual rules though)
'Space Wolves Unleashed' Detachment FOC: Identical to standard FOC, except may take up to 6 HQs May re-roll Warlord Traits Each unit joined by an Independent Character rolls a d6, on a 6+ that unit gains Outflank. Troops choices get +2 on this roll.
Great Company Formation: 1 Wolf Lord 1 Wolf Guard Battle Leader 1 unit of Wolf Guard 5 units of Grey Hunters 1 unit of Wolf Scouts 5 units chosen from [Blood Claws, Swiftclaws, or Skyclaws] 2 units of Long Fangs Grants two special rules, source did not get them
Space Wolves Relics (Source didn't get rules, just name and type of item) Armor of Russ (Armor) Bite of Fenris (Bolter with two fire modes) Black Death (Frost Axe, Rule: Whirldwind of Death) Helm of Durfast (Wargear) Fangsword of the Ice Wolf (Frost Sword) Wulfenstone (Wargear)
Logan Grimnar - Lord of War Epic new model, comes with a sort of grav-chariot called 'Stormrider' pulled by two enormous Fenrisian wolves, but he can be used without it as well. Stormrider Treated as a vehicle, didn't get AVs, has a 4+ Invulnerable save and cannot suffer Penetrating hits (all Pens are reduced to Glances). Gives Logan 4 S5 Ap- attacks on a turn when he charges. Logan loses Deep Strike if he takes Stormrider Lots of other cool rules, but didn't get those.
Njal Stormcaller No new model shown in codex Looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Ragnar Blackmane No new model shown in codex Also looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Ulrik the Slayer No new model shown in codex Also looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Canis Wolfborn Again, looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Harald Deathwolf The resin Thunderwolf Cavalry character model assigned a name Didn't get the rules/stats.
Bjorn the Fell-Handed Epic new plastic model, part of a box that makes a regular SW Venerable Dreadnought, Bjorn, or a new special character Dreadnought named 'Murderfang'. No longer becomes a VP objective when he dies.
Wolf Lord Mostly the same, no specific information.
Rune Priest Mostly the same. Specifically noted as starting at Mastery Level 2. No other information.
Wolf Priest Mostly the same, no specific information
Wolf Guard Battle Leader Mostly the same, no specific information
Blood Claws Pack Wolf Guard Leader upgrade available May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport No other information
Lukas the Trickster No specific information, probably the same.
Grey Hunters Pack Any model may add a Close Combat Weapon for +2 points One Special weapon per full five models still, but costs raised to same as C:SMs Wolf Guard Upgrade available May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport No other information
Dreadnought Not sure, but might have an option for a Helfrost Cannon Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
Murderfang Crazy-awesome special character Venerable Dreadnought Wolverine + Dreadnought + Extra Insanity = Murderfang
Wargear: Searchlight 'Murderclaws' with underslung Storm Bolter and Heavy Flamer Special Rules: Furious Charge It Will Not Die Rage Rampage Murderlust Options: May take a Drop Pod 'Murderclaws' - A pair of enormous, even for a Dreadnought, Lightning Claws made of 'alien ice that never melts or loses sharpness' S7 AP2 - Melee, Master-Crafted, Shred, Specialist Weapon
Venerable Dreadnought Definitely has an option for a Helfrost Cannon Can also have an enormous Power Axe and Storm Shield, said to look incredible. Some special rules, but didn't get them
Iron Priest No new model shown in codex Options appeared to be nearly identical to old codex, Can take a unit of 1-5 Servitors, rules also looked the same as old codex No other information
Lone Wolf Rules nearly identical to old codex, didn't get points cost Owning player no longer gains a VP if they die No other information
Wolf Guard Pack This unit is just for Wolf Guard in Power Armor. Have a similarly wide array of options as in the old codex, couldn't get specifics though May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
Wolf Guard Terminator Pack What it says on the tin, Wolf Guard in TDA with Storm Bolter and Power Weapon base Options (any model in the unit can take these, this isn't all of the options though): Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield Pair of Wolf Claws Power Fist Frost Axes Frost Sword Combi-weapon Heavy Flamer Assault Cannon Cyclone Missile Launcher May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
Arjac Rockfist Mostly the same, no specific information
Wolf Scouts Source totally forgot to look at them. Sorry guys.
Swiftclaw Pack Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
Skyclaw Assault Pack Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
Thunderwolf Cavalry Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
As noted previously: Stormwolf - Fast Attack BS4 - F12 S12 R12 HP3 - Vehicle (Flyer, Hover, Transport)
Wargear: Twin-linked helfrost cannon Twin-linked lascannon Two twin-linked heavy bolters - May be replaced with a Skyhammer launcher for free, or two twin-linked multi-meltas Ceramite Plating
Special Rules: Assault Vehicle Power of the Machine Spirit
Transport: Transport Capacity - sixteen models Fire Points - none Access Points - One ramp at the front of the hull
Stormfang Gunship - Heavy Support BS4 - F12 S12 R12 HP3 - Vehicle (Flyer, Hover Transport)
Wargear: Helfrost destructor Two twin-linked heavy bolters - May be replaced with a Skyhammer launcher for free, or two twin-linked multi-meltas Two Stormstrike missiles - May be replaced with a twin-linked lascannon Ceramite Plating
Special Rules: Power of the Machine Spirit
Transport: Transport Capacity - six models Fire Points - none Access Points - One at rear of the hull
Helfrost cannon dispersed - R24" S6 AP3 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Blast focussed - R24" S8 AP1 Heavy 1, Helfrost
Helfrost destructor dispersed - R24" S6 AP3 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Large Blast focussed - R24" S8 AP1 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Lance
Helfrost - If a model suffers one or more unsaved wounds from this weapon, it must pass a separate Strength test for each wound suffered or be removed from play
Land Speeder Squadron Same as Codex: Space Marines
Fenrisian Wolf Pack Nearly identical to old codex, no specific information
Long Fangs Pack Couple of new options for squad leader, who is now called a 'Long Fang Ancient' Source did not get if they had an option for Flakk Missiles Might be able to take a Stormwolf/Stormfang as a Dedicated Transport, not sure about this though Otherwise nearly identical to old codex, no other information
Predator Same as Codex: Space Marines
Whirlwind Same as Codex: Space Marines
Vindicator Same as Codex: Space Marines
Land Raider and variants Same as Codex: Space Marines
Rhino and Razorback No Helfrost Cannon option for the Razorback, same as Codex: Space Marines
Drop Pod Same as Codex: Space Marines
Notable Exclusions from Codex: Space Marines No Stormtalon No Storm Raven No Hunter or Stalker Space Wolves AA options: Stormwolf, Stormfang, ADL gun emplacement, and Allies
I do NOT like what I'm hearing so far IF this is true. 2pts for GH to get a CCW? No new model for Ragnar?
My troll whiskers are twitching.
Not you, FS, but the source for the poster on BoLS. What I suspect we have here is a bunch of wishlist carefully adjusted to sound informed and blended with what we already know or suspect.
I may be wrong, but Grimnar in a super hover chariot is stretching my credulity.
The thing is, Azreal13, it sounds so ludicrous it must be true. That's the thing, if you were trying to sound legit surely you could come up with something that sounds more believable? Or do you think someone is trolling us really hard with this one?
This stormrider grav chariot seems like gak. I doubt that they would relaese a plastic kit only for a special character. Unless the kit is in finecast, but even then, I doubt they would release such a big model in resin. Hopefully, it's only a troll job, since it'd probably the worst idea I ever heard. Wolves pulling a grav chariot
streetsamurai wrote: This stormrider grav chariot seems like gak. I doubt that they would relaese a plastic kit only for a special character. Unless the kit is in finecast, but even then, I doubt they would release such a big model in resin. Hopefully, it's only a troll job, since it'd probably the worst idea I ever heard. Wolves pulling a grav chariot
The only way I think it could be true is if it was also an upgrade for a wolf lord as well as Logan. So I'm guessing troll. A smart try if so.
General Information about Codex: Space Wolves
Sagas are out, replaced with Warlord Traits
6 new Space Wolves Tactical Objectives
New Space Wolves Psychic Discipline: Tempestas (Source didn't get any actual rules though)
'Space Wolves Unleashed' Detachment FOC:
Identical to standard FOC, except may take up to 6 HQs May re-roll Warlord Traits
Each unit joined by an Independent Character rolls a d6, on a 6+ that unit gains Outflank. Troops choices get +2 on this roll.
Great Company Formation:
1 Wolf Lord
1 Wolf Guard Battle Leader
1 unit of Wolf Guard
5 units of Grey Hunters
1 unit of Wolf Scouts
5 units chosen from [Blood Claws, Swiftclaws, or Skyclaws]
2 units of Long Fangs
Grants two special rules, source did not get them
Space Wolves Relics (Source didn't get rules, just name and type of item)
Armor of Russ (Armor)
Bite of Fenris (Bolter with two fire modes)
Black Death (Frost Axe, Rule: Whirldwind of Death)
Helm of Durfast (Wargear)
Fangsword of the Ice Wolf (Frost Sword)
Wulfenstone (Wargear)
Logan Grimnar - Lord of War
Epic new model, comes with a sort of grav-chariot called 'Stormrider' pulled by two enormous Fenrisian wolves, but he can be used without it as well.
Stormrider
Treated as a vehicle, didn't get AVs, has a 4+ Invulnerable save and cannot suffer Penetrating hits (all Pens are reduced to Glances).
Gives Logan 4 S5 Ap- attacks on a turn when he charges.
Logan loses Deep Strike if he takes Stormrider
Lots of other cool rules, but didn't get those.
Njal Stormcaller
No new model shown in codex
Looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Ragnar Blackmane
No new model shown in codex
Also looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Ulrik the Slayer
No new model shown in codex
Also looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Canis Wolfborn
Again, looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Harald Deathwolf
The resin Thunderwolf Cavalry character model assigned a name
Didn't get the rules/stats.
Bjorn the Fell-Handed
Epic new plastic model, part of a box that makes a regular SW Venerable Dreadnought, Bjorn, or a new special character Dreadnought named 'Murderfang'.
No longer becomes a VP objective when he dies.
Wolf Lord
Mostly the same, no specific information.
Rune Priest
Mostly the same.
Specifically noted as starting at Mastery Level 2.
No other information.
Wolf Priest
Mostly the same, no specific information
Wolf Guard Battle Leader
Mostly the same, no specific information
Blood Claws Pack
Wolf Guard Leader upgrade available
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
No other information
Lukas the Trickster
No specific information, probably the same.
Grey Hunters Pack
Any model may add a Close Combat Weapon for +2 points
One Special weapon per full five models still, but costs raised to same as C:SMs Wolf Guard Upgrade available
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
No other information
Dreadnought
Not sure, but might have an option for a Helfrost Cannon
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
Murderfang
Crazy-awesome special character Venerable Dreadnought
Wolverine + Dreadnought + Extra Insanity = Murderfang
Wargear:
Searchlight
'Murderclaws' with underslung Storm Bolter and Heavy Flamer
Special Rules:
Furious Charge
It Will Not Die
Rage
Rampage
Murderlust
Options:
May take a Drop Pod
'Murderclaws' - A pair of enormous, even for a Dreadnought, Lightning Claws made of 'alien ice that never melts or loses sharpness'
S7 AP2 - Melee, Master-Crafted, Shred, Specialist Weapon
Venerable Dreadnought
Definitely has an option for a Helfrost Cannon
Can also have an enormous Power Axe and Storm Shield, said to look incredible.
Some special rules, but didn't get them
Iron Priest
No new model shown in codex
Options appeared to be nearly identical to old codex,
Can take a unit of 1-5 Servitors, rules also looked the same as old codex
No other information
Lone Wolf
Rules nearly identical to old codex, didn't get points cost
Owning player no longer gains a VP if they die
No other information
Wolf Guard Pack
This unit is just for Wolf Guard in Power Armor.
Have a similarly wide array of options as in the old codex, couldn't get specifics though
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
Wolf Guard Terminator Pack
What it says on the tin, Wolf Guard in TDA with Storm Bolter and Power Weapon base
Options (any model in the unit can take these, this isn't all of the options though):
Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield
Pair of Wolf Claws
Power Fist
Frost Axes
Frost Sword
Combi-weapon
Heavy Flamer
Assault Cannon
Cyclone Missile Launcher
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
Arjac Rockfist
Mostly the same, no specific information
Wolf Scouts
Source totally forgot to look at them. Sorry guys.
Swiftclaw Pack
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
Skyclaw Assault Pack
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
Thunderwolf Cavalry
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
As noted previously:
Stormwolf - Fast Attack
BS4 - F12 S12 R12 HP3 - Vehicle (Flyer, Hover, Transport)
Wargear:
Twin-linked helfrost cannon
Twin-linked lascannon
Two twin-linked heavy bolters - May be replaced with a Skyhammer launcher for free, or two twin-linked multi-meltas
Ceramite Plating
Special Rules:
Assault Vehicle
Power of the Machine Spirit
Transport:
Transport Capacity - sixteen models
Fire Points - none
Access Points - One ramp at the front of the hull
Stormfang Gunship - Heavy Support
BS4 - F12 S12 R12 HP3 - Vehicle (Flyer, Hover Transport)
Wargear:
Helfrost destructor
Two twin-linked heavy bolters - May be replaced with a Skyhammer launcher for free, or two twin-linked multi-meltas
Two Stormstrike missiles - May be replaced with a twin-linked lascannon
Ceramite Plating
Special Rules:
Power of the Machine Spirit
Transport:
Transport Capacity - six models
Fire Points - none
Access Points - One at rear of the hull
Helfrost cannon
dispersed - R24" S6 AP3 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Blast
focussed - R24" S8 AP1 Heavy 1, Helfrost
Helfrost destructor
dispersed - R24" S6 AP3 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Large Blast
focussed - R24" S8 AP1 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Lance
Helfrost - If a model suffers one or more unsaved wounds from this weapon, it must pass a separate Strength test for each wound suffered or be removed from play
Land Speeder Squadron
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Fenrisian Wolf Pack
Nearly identical to old codex, no specific information
Long Fangs Pack
Couple of new options for squad leader, who is now called a 'Long Fang Ancient'
Source did not get if they had an option for Flakk Missiles
Might be able to take a Stormwolf/Stormfang as a Dedicated Transport, not sure about this though
Otherwise nearly identical to old codex, no other information
Predator
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Whirlwind
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Vindicator
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Land Raider and variants
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Rhino and Razorback
No Helfrost Cannon option for the Razorback, same as Codex: Space Marines
Drop Pod
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Notable Exclusions from Codex: Space Marines
No Stormtalon
No Storm Raven
No Hunter or Stalker
Space Wolves AA options: Stormwolf, Stormfang, ADL gun emplacement, and Allies
I do NOT like what I'm hearing so far IF this is true. 2pts for GH to get a CCW? No new model for Ragnar?
My troll whiskers are twitching.
Not you, FS, but the source for the poster on BoLS. What I suspect we have here is a bunch of wishlist carefully adjusted to sound informed and blended with what we already know or suspect.
I may be wrong, but Grimnar in a super hover chariot is stretching my credulity.
The thing is, Azreal13, it sounds so ludicrous it must be true. That's the thing, if you were trying to sound legit surely you could come up with something that sounds more believable? Or do you think someone is trolling us really hard with this one?
It would depend on if I were a 14 year old boy or not. As a fully grown man, sure, I'd probably aim conservative in order to be plausible, but we have no concept of the sort of person who has originated this stuff. There's a substantial amount here that was already known/strongly suspected, remove that, account for all the stuff that hasn't been changed at all, and all we're left with is a handful of slightly dubious sounding stuff (isn't Murderfang just a DC Dread ripoff?)
I'm not prepared to outright say I don't believe it, I'm just saying people shouldn't get too excited/angry about it just yet.
General Information about Codex: Space Wolves
Sagas are out, replaced with Warlord Traits
6 new Space Wolves Tactical Objectives
New Space Wolves Psychic Discipline: Tempestas (Source didn't get any actual rules though)
'Space Wolves Unleashed' Detachment FOC:
Identical to standard FOC, except may take up to 6 HQs May re-roll Warlord Traits
Each unit joined by an Independent Character rolls a d6, on a 6+ that unit gains Outflank. Troops choices get +2 on this roll.
Great Company Formation:
1 Wolf Lord
1 Wolf Guard Battle Leader
1 unit of Wolf Guard
5 units of Grey Hunters
1 unit of Wolf Scouts
5 units chosen from [Blood Claws, Swiftclaws, or Skyclaws]
2 units of Long Fangs
Grants two special rules, source did not get them
Space Wolves Relics (Source didn't get rules, just name and type of item)
Armor of Russ (Armor)
Bite of Fenris (Bolter with two fire modes)
Black Death (Frost Axe, Rule: Whirldwind of Death)
Helm of Durfast (Wargear)
Fangsword of the Ice Wolf (Frost Sword)
Wulfenstone (Wargear)
Logan Grimnar - Lord of War
Epic new model, comes with a sort of grav-chariot called 'Stormrider' pulled by two enormous Fenrisian wolves, but he can be used without it as well.
Stormrider
Treated as a vehicle, didn't get AVs, has a 4+ Invulnerable save and cannot suffer Penetrating hits (all Pens are reduced to Glances).
Gives Logan 4 S5 Ap- attacks on a turn when he charges.
Logan loses Deep Strike if he takes Stormrider
Lots of other cool rules, but didn't get those.
Njal Stormcaller
No new model shown in codex
Looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Ragnar Blackmane
No new model shown in codex
Also looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Ulrik the Slayer
No new model shown in codex
Also looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Canis Wolfborn
Again, looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Harald Deathwolf
The resin Thunderwolf Cavalry character model assigned a name
Didn't get the rules/stats.
Bjorn the Fell-Handed
Epic new plastic model, part of a box that makes a regular SW Venerable Dreadnought, Bjorn, or a new special character Dreadnought named 'Murderfang'.
No longer becomes a VP objective when he dies.
Wolf Lord
Mostly the same, no specific information.
Rune Priest
Mostly the same.
Specifically noted as starting at Mastery Level 2.
No other information.
Wolf Priest
Mostly the same, no specific information
Wolf Guard Battle Leader
Mostly the same, no specific information
Blood Claws Pack
Wolf Guard Leader upgrade available
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
No other information
Lukas the Trickster
No specific information, probably the same.
Grey Hunters Pack
Any model may add a Close Combat Weapon for +2 points
One Special weapon per full five models still, but costs raised to same as C:SMs Wolf Guard Upgrade available
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
No other information
Dreadnought
Not sure, but might have an option for a Helfrost Cannon
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
Murderfang
Crazy-awesome special character Venerable Dreadnought
Wolverine + Dreadnought + Extra Insanity = Murderfang
Wargear:
Searchlight
'Murderclaws' with underslung Storm Bolter and Heavy Flamer
Special Rules:
Furious Charge
It Will Not Die
Rage
Rampage
Murderlust
Options:
May take a Drop Pod
'Murderclaws' - A pair of enormous, even for a Dreadnought, Lightning Claws made of 'alien ice that never melts or loses sharpness'
S7 AP2 - Melee, Master-Crafted, Shred, Specialist Weapon
Venerable Dreadnought
Definitely has an option for a Helfrost Cannon
Can also have an enormous Power Axe and Storm Shield, said to look incredible.
Some special rules, but didn't get them
Iron Priest
No new model shown in codex
Options appeared to be nearly identical to old codex,
Can take a unit of 1-5 Servitors, rules also looked the same as old codex
No other information
Lone Wolf
Rules nearly identical to old codex, didn't get points cost
Owning player no longer gains a VP if they die
No other information
Wolf Guard Pack
This unit is just for Wolf Guard in Power Armor.
Have a similarly wide array of options as in the old codex, couldn't get specifics though
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
Wolf Guard Terminator Pack
What it says on the tin, Wolf Guard in TDA with Storm Bolter and Power Weapon base
Options (any model in the unit can take these, this isn't all of the options though):
Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield
Pair of Wolf Claws
Power Fist
Frost Axes
Frost Sword
Combi-weapon
Heavy Flamer
Assault Cannon
Cyclone Missile Launcher
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
Arjac Rockfist
Mostly the same, no specific information
Wolf Scouts
Source totally forgot to look at them. Sorry guys.
Swiftclaw Pack
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
Skyclaw Assault Pack
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
Thunderwolf Cavalry
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
As noted previously:
Stormwolf - Fast Attack
BS4 - F12 S12 R12 HP3 - Vehicle (Flyer, Hover, Transport)
Wargear:
Twin-linked helfrost cannon
Twin-linked lascannon
Two twin-linked heavy bolters - May be replaced with a Skyhammer launcher for free, or two twin-linked multi-meltas
Ceramite Plating
Special Rules:
Assault Vehicle
Power of the Machine Spirit
Transport:
Transport Capacity - sixteen models
Fire Points - none
Access Points - One ramp at the front of the hull
Stormfang Gunship - Heavy Support
BS4 - F12 S12 R12 HP3 - Vehicle (Flyer, Hover Transport)
Wargear:
Helfrost destructor
Two twin-linked heavy bolters - May be replaced with a Skyhammer launcher for free, or two twin-linked multi-meltas
Two Stormstrike missiles - May be replaced with a twin-linked lascannon
Ceramite Plating
Special Rules:
Power of the Machine Spirit
Transport:
Transport Capacity - six models
Fire Points - none
Access Points - One at rear of the hull
Helfrost cannon
dispersed - R24" S6 AP3 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Blast
focussed - R24" S8 AP1 Heavy 1, Helfrost
Helfrost destructor
dispersed - R24" S6 AP3 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Large Blast
focussed - R24" S8 AP1 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Lance
Helfrost - If a model suffers one or more unsaved wounds from this weapon, it must pass a separate Strength test for each wound suffered or be removed from play
Land Speeder Squadron
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Fenrisian Wolf Pack
Nearly identical to old codex, no specific information
Long Fangs Pack
Couple of new options for squad leader, who is now called a 'Long Fang Ancient'
Source did not get if they had an option for Flakk Missiles
Might be able to take a Stormwolf/Stormfang as a Dedicated Transport, not sure about this though
Otherwise nearly identical to old codex, no other information
Predator
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Whirlwind
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Vindicator
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Land Raider and variants
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Rhino and Razorback
No Helfrost Cannon option for the Razorback, same as Codex: Space Marines
Drop Pod
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Notable Exclusions from Codex: Space Marines
No Stormtalon
No Storm Raven
No Hunter or Stalker
Space Wolves AA options: Stormwolf, Stormfang, ADL gun emplacement, and Allies
I do NOT like what I'm hearing so far IF this is true. 2pts for GH to get a CCW? No new model for Ragnar?
My troll whiskers are twitching.
Not you, FS, but the source for the poster on BoLS. What I suspect we have here is a bunch of wishlist carefully adjusted to sound informed and blended with what we already know or suspect.
I may be wrong, but Grimnar in a super hover chariot is stretching my credulity.
I'm inclined to believe it as at 4 seconds in the teaser video we have 2 wolves that appear to be pulling... something. Plus Grimnar is in the same piece at 25 seconds.
I really really want it to be wrong but I really would not be surprised given what GW have released in the recent past.
Well, I don't have a wolf in this fight, as I don't play them, and my idea for a SW force some time in the future wouldn't use a whole lot of GW models.
But if they have wolfed the Wolves straight up the wolf, as this post suggests, then I guess they're just the latest in a long line of wolf-wolfings that factions have been receiving recently.
Azreal13 wrote: Well, I don't have a wolf in this fight, as I don't play them, and my idea for a SW force some time in the future wouldn't use a whole lot of GW models.
But if they have wolfed the Wolves straight up the wolf, as this post suggests, then I guess they're just the latest in a long line of wolf-wolfings that factions have been receiving recently.
Grimnar in chariot pulled by 2 giant fenrisian wolves... I kinda dig this. My urge to convert this into a murderous Santa Clause is overwhelming. But no mention of storm talons or storm ravens or any AA at all is a shame. Namely because I have 2 ST and 1 SR that needs a home somewhere.
I was out of the hobby for a few years and must say that I love coming back to some wolf-love! I've been playing many years and can't say enough how awesome the new flyer is. So what it looks like a flying wolfs head? So what that it looks blunt and to the point? It fits the Wolves aesthetic 100%! And this blurb about Logan riding a grav sled pulled by fenrisian wolves? F-yeah!
Bjorn looks just as awesome and ostentatious as he should. Bring on the Murderfang! Ha, I love the explanation of the blades made from 'alien ice that doesn't melt or loose sharpness. You can't take all this too seriously, afterall!
I hate to sound like I'm trying to be an old timer, but some of the GW bashing makes some of you sound like spoiled children who can never be pleased. Back in the old days we didn't have fliers, but we always dreamt of what they would/could look like! What a wonderful time for this hobby of ours!
General Information about Codex: Space Wolves
Sagas are out, replaced with Warlord Traits
6 new Space Wolves Tactical Objectives
New Space Wolves Psychic Discipline: Tempestas (Source didn't get any actual rules though)
'Space Wolves Unleashed' Detachment FOC:
Identical to standard FOC, except may take up to 6 HQs May re-roll Warlord Traits
Each unit joined by an Independent Character rolls a d6, on a 6+ that unit gains Outflank. Troops choices get +2 on this roll.
Great Company Formation:
1 Wolf Lord
1 Wolf Guard Battle Leader
1 unit of Wolf Guard
5 units of Grey Hunters
1 unit of Wolf Scouts
5 units chosen from [Blood Claws, Swiftclaws, or Skyclaws]
2 units of Long Fangs
Grants two special rules, source did not get them
Space Wolves Relics (Source didn't get rules, just name and type of item)
Armor of Russ (Armor)
Bite of Fenris (Bolter with two fire modes)
Black Death (Frost Axe, Rule: Whirldwind of Death)
Helm of Durfast (Wargear)
Fangsword of the Ice Wolf (Frost Sword)
Wulfenstone (Wargear)
Logan Grimnar - Lord of War
Epic new model, comes with a sort of grav-chariot called 'Stormrider' pulled by two enormous Fenrisian wolves, but he can be used without it as well.
Stormrider
Treated as a vehicle, didn't get AVs, has a 4+ Invulnerable save and cannot suffer Penetrating hits (all Pens are reduced to Glances).
Gives Logan 4 S5 Ap- attacks on a turn when he charges.
Logan loses Deep Strike if he takes Stormrider
Lots of other cool rules, but didn't get those.
Njal Stormcaller
No new model shown in codex
Looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Ragnar Blackmane
No new model shown in codex
Also looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Ulrik the Slayer
No new model shown in codex
Also looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Canis Wolfborn
Again, looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Harald Deathwolf
The resin Thunderwolf Cavalry character model assigned a name
Didn't get the rules/stats.
Bjorn the Fell-Handed
Epic new plastic model, part of a box that makes a regular SW Venerable Dreadnought, Bjorn, or a new special character Dreadnought named 'Murderfang'.
No longer becomes a VP objective when he dies.
Wolf Lord
Mostly the same, no specific information.
Rune Priest
Mostly the same.
Specifically noted as starting at Mastery Level 2.
No other information.
Wolf Priest
Mostly the same, no specific information
Wolf Guard Battle Leader
Mostly the same, no specific information
Blood Claws Pack
Wolf Guard Leader upgrade available
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
No other information
Lukas the Trickster
No specific information, probably the same.
Grey Hunters Pack
Any model may add a Close Combat Weapon for +2 points
One Special weapon per full five models still, but costs raised to same as C:SMs Wolf Guard Upgrade available
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
No other information
Dreadnought
Not sure, but might have an option for a Helfrost Cannon
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
Murderfang
Crazy-awesome special character Venerable Dreadnought
Wolverine + Dreadnought + Extra Insanity = Murderfang
Wargear:
Searchlight
'Murderclaws' with underslung Storm Bolter and Heavy Flamer
Special Rules:
Furious Charge
It Will Not Die
Rage
Rampage
Murderlust
Options:
May take a Drop Pod
'Murderclaws' - A pair of enormous, even for a Dreadnought, Lightning Claws made of 'alien ice that never melts or loses sharpness'
S7 AP2 - Melee, Master-Crafted, Shred, Specialist Weapon
Venerable Dreadnought
Definitely has an option for a Helfrost Cannon
Can also have an enormous Power Axe and Storm Shield, said to look incredible.
Some special rules, but didn't get them
Iron Priest
No new model shown in codex
Options appeared to be nearly identical to old codex,
Can take a unit of 1-5 Servitors, rules also looked the same as old codex
No other information
Lone Wolf
Rules nearly identical to old codex, didn't get points cost
Owning player no longer gains a VP if they die
No other information
Wolf Guard Pack
This unit is just for Wolf Guard in Power Armor.
Have a similarly wide array of options as in the old codex, couldn't get specifics though
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
Wolf Guard Terminator Pack
What it says on the tin, Wolf Guard in TDA with Storm Bolter and Power Weapon base
Options (any model in the unit can take these, this isn't all of the options though):
Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield
Pair of Wolf Claws
Power Fist
Frost Axes
Frost Sword
Combi-weapon
Heavy Flamer
Assault Cannon
Cyclone Missile Launcher
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
Arjac Rockfist
Mostly the same, no specific information
Wolf Scouts
Source totally forgot to look at them. Sorry guys.
Swiftclaw Pack
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
Skyclaw Assault Pack
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
Thunderwolf Cavalry
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
As noted previously:
Stormwolf - Fast Attack
BS4 - F12 S12 R12 HP3 - Vehicle (Flyer, Hover, Transport)
Wargear:
Twin-linked helfrost cannon
Twin-linked lascannon
Two twin-linked heavy bolters - May be replaced with a Skyhammer launcher for free, or two twin-linked multi-meltas
Ceramite Plating
Special Rules:
Assault Vehicle
Power of the Machine Spirit
Transport:
Transport Capacity - sixteen models
Fire Points - none
Access Points - One ramp at the front of the hull
Stormfang Gunship - Heavy Support
BS4 - F12 S12 R12 HP3 - Vehicle (Flyer, Hover Transport)
Wargear:
Helfrost destructor
Two twin-linked heavy bolters - May be replaced with a Skyhammer launcher for free, or two twin-linked multi-meltas
Two Stormstrike missiles - May be replaced with a twin-linked lascannon
Ceramite Plating
Special Rules:
Power of the Machine Spirit
Transport:
Transport Capacity - six models
Fire Points - none
Access Points - One at rear of the hull
Helfrost cannon
dispersed - R24" S6 AP3 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Blast
focussed - R24" S8 AP1 Heavy 1, Helfrost
Helfrost destructor
dispersed - R24" S6 AP3 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Large Blast
focussed - R24" S8 AP1 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Lance
Helfrost - If a model suffers one or more unsaved wounds from this weapon, it must pass a separate Strength test for each wound suffered or be removed from play
Land Speeder Squadron
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Fenrisian Wolf Pack
Nearly identical to old codex, no specific information
Long Fangs Pack
Couple of new options for squad leader, who is now called a 'Long Fang Ancient'
Source did not get if they had an option for Flakk Missiles
Might be able to take a Stormwolf/Stormfang as a Dedicated Transport, not sure about this though
Otherwise nearly identical to old codex, no other information
Predator
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Whirlwind
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Vindicator
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Land Raider and variants
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Rhino and Razorback
No Helfrost Cannon option for the Razorback, same as Codex: Space Marines
Drop Pod
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Notable Exclusions from Codex: Space Marines
No Stormtalon
No Storm Raven
No Hunter or Stalker
Space Wolves AA options: Stormwolf, Stormfang, ADL gun emplacement, and Allies
I do NOT like what I'm hearing so far IF this is true. 2pts for GH to get a CCW? No new model for Ragnar?
My troll whiskers are twitching.
Not you, FS, but the source for the poster on BoLS. What I suspect we have here is a bunch of wishlist carefully adjusted to sound informed and blended with what we already know or suspect.
I may be wrong, but Grimnar in a super hover chariot is stretching my credulity.
Yeah, I'm not really inclined to believe this stuff. A Wolverine Dreadnought character that he haven't had any inkling of yet? A Logan resculpt (on a freaking chariot!?!)?
The outflank thing and relics sound pretty cool though. I almost hope that there's at least some true stuff in there.
I hate to sound like I'm trying to be an old timer, but some of the GW bashing makes some of you sound like spoiled children who can never be pleased. Back in the old days we didn't have fliers, but we always dreamt of what they would/could look like! What a wonderful time for this hobby of ours!
I hate to sound like I'm trying to be an old timer, but some of the GW bashing makes some of you sound like spoiled children who can never be pleased. Back in the old days we didn't have fliers, but we always dreamt of what they would/could look like! What a wonderful time for this hobby of ours!
Back in the real old days, we had Epic.
I'm still pissed off GW/FW dropped Aeronautica Imperialis, so many cool fliers and a game that actually suited fliers... rather than shoehorning supersonic fliers in to a game that takes place on a battlefield the size of a football field.
I've been disappointed in the appearance of the newer models recently, turns out not to be the actual kit but it's the GW painting. I'm sure Bjorn, and the SW flyer will be bada$$ kits once you get your hands on them, and I know there is some serious talent out there that smoke the GW work we've seen.
I hate to sound like I'm trying to be an old timer, but some of the GW bashing makes some of you sound like spoiled children who can never be pleased. Back in the old days we didn't have fliers, but we always dreamt of what they would/could look like! What a wonderful time for this hobby of ours!
Back in the real old days, we had Epic.
I'm still pissed off GW/FW dropped Aeronautica Imperialis, so many cool fliers and a game that actually suited fliers... rather than shoehorning supersonic fliers in to a game that takes place on a battlefield the size of a football field.
And X Wing is exploding all over the shop. Wonderful timing eh?
I hate to sound like I'm trying to be an old timer, but some of the GW bashing makes some of you sound like spoiled children who can never be pleased. Back in the old days we didn't have fliers, but we always dreamt of what they would/could look like! What a wonderful time for this hobby of ours!
Back in the real old days, we had Epic.
True - I didn't forget about Epic, it's just bringing it up makes everyone sad these days...
Six HQ's? Seriously? I'm all for epic heroes and stuff but what game short of an apocalypse match would you even be able to fit that many into?
I love the new Bjorn model but for some reason I can't stop imagining him with a cane and pimp hat to go with all that bling. And is it bad I kind of really, really want to see what this "Murderfang" will look like? Because he sounds like an absolute nightmare in close combat.
Little gutted about the GH if that is true but an extra two points is still cheaper than Codex Marines so not too bad right?
Kelly502 wrote: I've been disappointed in the appearance of the newer models recently, turns out not to be the actual kit but it's the GW painting. I'm sure Bjorn, and the SW flyer will be bada$$ kits once you get your hands on them, and I know there is some serious talent out there that smoke the GW work we've seen.
Yeah, it's long been postulated that GW mediate their painting of display models to make them look "achievable" for your average hobbyist, especially the younger ones who might get easily discouraged when their first Marine isn't a Slayer Sword winner, which, frankly, isn't a problem solely confined to GW.
Frankly, I don't hate the flyer, I just have no use for it, and Bjorn is exactly what he was always going to be, there's very little that could be done with him within the confines of everything that was already established, especially when the dread chassis is so limited in terms of poseability.
To everyone who doesn't believe the logan-chariot could be a thing: I'm not saying it's definitely true, but if you look at the release trailer, you can see (quite early on) two wolves chained to something, which could be interpreted as a hint...
Kas40k wrote: To everyone who doesn't believe the logan-chariot could be a thing: I'm not saying it's definitely true, but if you look at the release trailer, you can see (quite early on) two wolves chained to something, which could be interpreted as a hint...
Not to mention that the artwork for Logan later in the same video, shows a nice wolf ear infront of him. Looks like he's following on behind a Fenrisian Wolf that's just out of shot.
Also interesting how both the images of the chained wolves, and the later image of Logan, are both running in the same direction.
Baseless speculation but I suspect they are the same picture!
Kas40k wrote: To everyone who doesn't believe the logan-chariot could be a thing: I'm not saying it's definitely true, but if you look at the release trailer, you can see (quite early on) two wolves chained to something, which could be interpreted as a hint...
The image in question for those who'd like to see a still image..
Well, if you look at the video again you will relize that they are actually pulling something with the front that is eerily akin to a Viking boat, inscribed with that Nordic line art. And at the end of the video Logan can be seen riding something wooden, with a flag at the back.
I will now take all bets that Logan on a Chariot/Longboat is a real thing, you heard it here folks step right up and place your bets on the 9th wonder of the GW universe.
I hope the latest rumors are true and at the same time I am hesitant to believe them, it looks like everyone gets the Cargo-Container-Of-Flying-Doom as a dedicated Transport.
Is there some significance to him being made a Lord of War? A wooden wolfboat doesn't sound very threatening compared to what I assume fills that slot for other armies.
We haven't seen it yet but a chariot pulled by wolves... Seriously! Man that is super cheese. I normally don't worry have such a hard time with GW's new models (STalin, Cents, Helchicken) but that just sounds so bad. I cannot imagine a way it would look good. Poor SW players. I think they might become the new comedy army. I play Chaos so maybe the jokes about Dinobots will be replaced by sledging SW's.
ChrisB wrote: There's also the 'murderfang' will try and upload a picture of Bjorn
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While it would have been nice to have some movement in the legs (why do all of GW's dreads have to be just standing in place?) that's a really nice re-imagining of the Bjorn model.
I particularly like the howling wolf smoke launcher...
Zanderchief wrote: We haven't seen it yet but a chariot pulled by wolves... Seriously! Man that is super cheese. I normally don't worry have such a hard time with GW's new models (STalin, Cents, Helchicken) but that just sounds so bad. I cannot imagine a way it would look good. Poor SW players. I think they might become the new comedy army. I play Chaos so maybe the jokes about Dinobots will be replaced by sledging SW's.
Zanderchief wrote: We haven't seen it yet but a chariot pulled by wolves... Seriously! Man that is super cheese. I normally don't worry have such a hard time with GW's new models (STalin, Cents, Helchicken) but that just sounds so bad. I cannot imagine a way it would look good. Poor SW players. I think they might become the new comedy army. I play Chaos so maybe the jokes about Dinobots will be replaced by sledging SW's.
Oi!
You better watch out, you better not cry, you'd better not pout, I'm telling you why...
I'll agree that a dreadnaught with an advancing leg pose would be nice, but then a stable firing platform is both feet planted. Plus having a model of that size balancing on one leg can be rather precarious.
Sign me up! I am gonna go grab 3 Dreads, Get my that new Bjorn and make a Helfrost army!
Things I want for Bjorn:
1. Take a drop pod dammit
2. Some other kind of special rule that makes it harder to kill him, other then a invulnerable save for vehicles that REALLY sets him appart from vens.
3. Another special rule that has to do with after the game bas begun combat.
4. Higher armor. He needs to be a 14/14/12 to show how awesome he is. He fought with Russ for crying out loud. He is so special that he only wakes up once a 1000 years to tel stories or if something REALLY goes wrong.
I also want to see a new tank. Like, maybe let us take that new Guard tank that has those half tracks or something cool like that.
The wolves are absolutely pulling something. And Little Bird was right last week. He will be right again here. While I don't like the idea of a chariot, that is apparently what we are getting. I'd rather have a clampack Wolf Priest or clampack Rune Priest or a resculpt of Ragnar or Ulrik. But we'll be getting Logan and this vehicle, so I just hope they are good.
It's not too hard to imagine that 20 years from now, kids playing 40K will look at things like Bjorna Claus on his sleigh and the flying wolf's head the same way we look at zoats and biker space dwarves on trikes now. The difference will be that back then, the designers didn't know better and now they do, they just don't really care
Well, this pic do make it look like we will indeed get a gakky grav chariot pulled by wolves. The only redeeming quality about this, is that it wont be available for regular hq, and since I pretty much ignore special character, i wont get to see this crap disgrace my gaming tables. Hopefully it's not a plastic kit, so we still get another or two of them in this release.
Grey elder wrote: Did what I could to splice the images, it certainly looks like something boat like being pulled by wolves...
Good God, I hope that GW's pulling our leg... I guess we'll have to see the model itself, but still... this sounds ridiculous. And that'd mean that the other rumours in that set are all true too.
Kelly502 wrote: I'll agree that a dreadnaught with an advancing leg pose would be nice, but then a stable firing platform is both feet planted.
The great stonking claw on his other arm doesn't need a stable firing platform.
Plus having a model of that size balancing on one leg can be rather precarious.
I have a plastic dreadnought converted into a running pose, done back when the plastic dreadnought was first released. It's survived ok so far.
And having some motion in the legs doesn't have to mean running.
Duh, I forgot they're plastic now... I still use metal dread's. I have'nt finished any of the plastics yet. I did however go dig out my new Furioso... (snickers gleefully....)
Grey elder wrote: Did what I could to splice the images, it certainly looks like something boat like being pulled by wolves...
Assuming the Logan picture fits in to that, I'm going to guess that the animal head in the bottom left of Logan's picture is the dragon/wolf head on the bow of the dragon boat and the small bit of claw you can see just above the guy shooting the bolt pistol is part of Logan's wolf cape.
forgot to raise the image on the left, oh well. Banner from sled on upper right image, images were distorted to hie the sled, tried my best to make it fit.
It looks like a raven wing jetbik meets santaclause.... How did this get past the design studio?
Triszin wrote: Posting the pic in a sec, I modified the images
forgot to raise the image on the left, oh well. Banner from sled on upper right image, images were distorted to hie the sled, tried my best to make it fit.
It looks like a raven wing jetbik meets santaclause.... How did this get past the design studio?
I doubt it is the cover given the recent trend since 6th edition of single charcter embossed images on the covers. It might however be a full page interior piece of artwork.
Hm I like Bjorn but at the same time I don't, it is a great model but I think I'll try and combine it with a ven dread. Would have been great if they had made him in Contemptor armor since then we would have a plastic contemptor :(
Not liking the rumoured rules much, but what else is new - bloody random warlord traits replacing sagas, all the wolf guard changes, not to mention the lack of the new AA tanks and fliers!
And, yes, whoever decided Murderfang was a good name for something needs to be dismissed from the naming committee as soon as possible. Might've made more sense if it was a pattern name, I guess, eg "Murderfang Dreadnought".
Fayric wrote: Id rather seen the flying wolf chariot, driven by jetpack thunderwolves, but this rumoured flyer sounds nice as long as it has transport capacity.
Hey, I almost called this chariot thing back on page 9
Anyway, those pics from the teaser dont look like thunderwolfes, far to small and realistic. Looks more like regular fenrisian wolfes bought as companions for a HQ.
Dog sled is a thing in polar regions though...
Bull0 wrote: Not liking the rumoured rules much, but what else is new - bloody random warlord traits replacing sagas, all the wolf guard changes, not to mention the lack of the new AA tanks and fliers!
You never know long fangs might get flakk missiles. This would be really good with their split fire rule so you may not need that AA tank. It looks like either of the new fliers is fine AAbtw.
I'll guess Murderfang turns out to be a Fenrisian wolf stuck in a dreadnaught, rather than a SM,
beloved pet of chapter master X when it heroically fell defending it's master from grey knights/orks/the monster under the bed he ordered the aritficers to preserve it in a sarcophagus not actuall believing it would survive, but it did so he had it build into a dreadnaught where it could continue to serve the Wolf Lords of the future
Ouze wrote: C'mon, guys - if there is a dreadnought that SHOULD be covered in bling and gaudy, it's Bjorn - the oldest living Space Marine. When the mark of service to the Emperor is a carpet tack in your forehead for a mere hundred years, and Bjorn has served over 10,000...damn right he should have gold wolves and stuff everywhere.
I'm not into SW but I like the model.
I agree. Looks like a natural progression of the original Bjorn model, and it makes perfect sense to release a new one - presumably in plastic - to replace what must be one of the oldest if not the oldest model in GW's range.
Yeah. I'm of the opinion that if the name of your unit could double as the name of a death metal band or, worse, sounds like something out of Metalocalypse, then it's probably a bad name for a 40K unit.
If I played any other army than what I do, I'd be excited for the prospect of a Venerable Dreadnought with a Storm Shield (and hey, a Dreadnought with a 3++ might actually be worth fielding, depending on price!), but as a Black Templars player all I can think is "sigh, that's another item we've had on the wish list for Emperor knows how long that someone else got to first".
I want wolf guard and grey hunters to be able to take the new flying ship as dedicated transports. So I can use like 12 of these and have my entire army come in off on reserves.
I want wolf guard and grey hunters to be able to take the new flying ship as dedicated transports. So I can use like 12 of these and have my entire army come in off on reserves.
12? With their point costs your army will be smaller than a drop pod one!
P.s. - any news on the Grey Hunters? Do they retain their chainsword in spite of Stormclaw's entry showing them without a melee weapon(unless bought)?
I want wolf guard and grey hunters to be able to take the new flying ship as dedicated transports. So I can use like 12 of these and have my entire army come in off on reserves.
12? With their point costs your army will be smaller than a drop pod one!
P.s. - any news on the Grey Hunters? Do they retain their chainsword in spite of Stormclaw's entry showing them without a melee weapon(unless bought)?
The most recent leak has them at 14 PPM+2(for CCW) more for the old loadout.
"Grey Hunters Pack
14 points per model with a Bolter and Bolt Pistol
Any model may add a Close Combat Weapon for +2 points
One Special weapon per full five models still, but costs raised to same as C:SMs Wolf Guard Upgrade available
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
No other information"
I want wolf guard and grey hunters to be able to take the new flying ship as dedicated transports. So I can use like 12 of these and have my entire army come in off on reserves.
12? With their point costs your army will be smaller than a drop pod one!
P.s. - any news on the Grey Hunters? Do they retain their chainsword in spite of Stormclaw's entry showing them without a melee weapon(unless bought)?
Rumour is it will be a +2 pts to purchase one. Making them either 16 or 17 points each.
I actually quite like the idea of this grav-chariot thing. Hey, if we're going to have to endure a "ermagerd yolo awesumz" big kit, this is, like the flier, probably the least-worst option - at least it isn't a werewolf with wolf claws riding a giant thunderwolf.
Plus, I would not say no to a new plastic Logan Grimnar, as long as they don't try and be gits and pose him so he can't be used on a regular base.
Winter wrote: P.s. - any news on the Grey Hunters? Do they retain their chainsword in spite of Stormclaw's entry showing them without a melee weapon(unless bought)?
Rumour is it will be a +2 pts to purchase one. Making them either 16 or 17 points each.
I hope this is true, I'd be more than willing to pay 16pts for CCW/BP/BG Grey Hunters.
Yodhrin wrote: I actually quite like the idea of this grav-chariot thing. Hey, if we're going to have to endure a "ermagerd yolo awesumz" big kit, this is, like the flier, probably the least-worst option - at least it isn't a werewolf with wolf claws riding a giant thunderwolf.
Plus, I would not say no to a new plastic Logan Grimnar, as long as they don't try and be gits and pose him so he can't be used on a regular base.
Yeah... I'm not liking the sounds of it, but I guess whether I get it will come down to the look of the model, the price and the rules... although I'm sure that 2/3 of those criteria will be not so good.
Chariot Mounted Logan: Sounds epic and is on my “Must Get List” right now.
Stormwolf: I like the looks of it and am going to get one. I like it better than other Marine fliers so I will be using it as a proxy for them.
Bjorn: New model, Cool, Getting back his Lighting Claw/Wolf Claw…YES! He have been house ruling that for years. As a Lord of War, Works for me!
Grey Hunters: Paying +2 for the CCW, I am good with that [though there many out there will still probably say we should be paying 5 PPM when mixed with Counter-Attack]. Wolf Guard Upgrade, Yay! More Plasma/Melta/Flamer Weapons! Add LD9 at fill size in a transport even better. Getting a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport…Yes if it true!, No I don’t want to eat rammen from now to X-Mas.
Murderfang: Cool, especially if it is a Dreadnaught-ed Wolf, who cares about the Rules or Fluff at that mount if the model is cool. Will probably be used as a proxy for my Chaos Marines.
Chariot Mounted Logan: Sounds epic and is on my “Must Get List” right now.
Stormwolf: I like the looks of it and am going to get one. I like it better than other Marine fliers so I will be using it as a proxy for them.
Bjorn: New model, Cool, Getting back his Lighting Claw/Wolf Claw…YES! He have been house ruling that for years. As a Lord of War, Works for me!
Grey Hunters: Paying +2 for the CCW, I am good with that [though there many out there will still probably say we should be paying 5 PPM when mixed with Counter-Attack]. Wolf Guard Upgrade, Yay! More Plasma/Melta/Flamer Weapons! Add LD9 at fill size in a transport even better. Getting a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport…Yes if it true!, No I don’t want to eat rammen from now to X-Mas.
Murderfang: Cool, especially if it is a Dreadnaught-ed Wolf, who cares about the Rules or Fluff at that mount if the model is cool. Will probably be used as a proxy for my Chaos Marines.
I can't exalt this enough.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Weren't the HH wolves using Murder quite a bit? Like 'The murdermake begins..' etc?
I saw the Logan chariot coming a long time ago. When they first added chariot rules to 6th edition. There were going to be marines or guard being pulled by something. They couldn't just have it be a xenos thing.
As to how I feel about it, well, I'm just going to reserve judgement until I see the model and rules. If it truly ups Logans power to proper LOW status (IE not Gazzy but some awesome MC) then it will be all good.
What I find funny is that this rumored Logan model is pretty close to what a lot of people thought TWC should have been modeled as originally. A marine "walking" a large tethered wolf. Well, now they can get what they really want. lol
Bull0 wrote: Not liking the rumoured rules much, but what else is new - bloody random warlord traits replacing sagas, all the wolf guard changes, not to mention the lack of the new AA tanks and fliers!
And, yes, whoever decided Murderfang was a good name for something needs to be dismissed from the naming committee as soon as possible. Might've made more sense if it was a pattern name, I guess, eg "Murderfang Dreadnought".
Probably Mat Ward. I mean he renamed Dark Elf Warriors with spears to be "Dreadspears", sword and shield were named "Bleakswords" and Repeater Crossbows were renamed "Darkshards".
tarnish wrote: Wulfen aren´t really wolves, just space wolves that have been lost to the inner wolf and mutated slightly. Unpredictable at best.
Like the old chaos dreadnoughts who where tied down until the fighting got a goin then you send them in with there wire arm and gun and lets have fun watching what it can do....until it turned around.
Oh and if there is a chariot it better be pulled by Slepnir!!!!!!!!!!! 7 legged horse? just awesom.
Aw man, now im torn between the murderclaw and the Imperial Knight for my robot shenanigans. I wonder if the murderclaw plus pod will end up having a similar cost, lord knows its gonna be pricy with those stats.
Jayden63 wrote: There are a lot of Norse imagry of their warriors being on charriots being pulled by giant rams.
Pint to the first person who manages to reinterpret that to be pulled by two Stormwolves (they look a bit like battering rams...) and model the chariot accordingly.
ultimentra wrote: Aw man, now im torn between the murderclaw and the Imperial Knight for my robot shenanigans. I wonder if the murderclaw plus pod will end up having a similar cost, lord knows its gonna be pricy with those stats.
Murderfang, for what we know now, is a single character. That means no duplicates.
Imperial Knights (barring Gerantius) are generic units so you can have duplicates.
Bull0 wrote: Not liking the rumoured rules much, but what else is new - bloody random warlord traits replacing sagas, all the wolf guard changes, not to mention the lack of the new AA tanks and fliers!
And, yes, whoever decided Murderfang was a good name for something needs to be dismissed from the naming committee as soon as possible. Might've made more sense if it was a pattern name, I guess, eg "Murderfang Dreadnought".
Probably Mat Ward. I mean he renamed Dark Elf Warriors with spears to be "Dreadspears", sword and shield were named "Bleakswords" and Repeater Crossbows were renamed "Darkshards".
I think you nailed it. Ward... literally worse than Hitler
Murderfang sounds like something a giant kitted out Frenrisian wolf would be. Kind of like the Space Wolves equivalent to the CSM maulerfiend . Count me in.
