As the post count indicates, I'm new to rumormongering, as is my source. Releasing things a bit at a time was what they wanted. Since everybody is hungry for details and 'credibility' though, I pressed them to give me everything they've got. Here it is:
Stormwolf - Fast Attack - Points = Land Raider minus 35
BS4 - F12 S12 R12 HP3 - Vehicle (Flyer, Hover, Transport)
Wargear:
Twin-linked helfrost cannon
Twin-linked lascannon
Two twin-linked heavy bolters - May be replaced with a Skyhammer launcher for free, or two twin-linked multi-meltas for 20pts
Ceramite Plating
Special Rules:
Assault Vehicle
Power of the Machine Spirit
Transport:
Transport Capacity - sixteen models
Fire Points - none
Access Points - One ramp at the front of the hull
Stormfang Gunship - Heavy Support - Points = Land Raider minus 30
BS4 - F12 S12 R12 HP3 - Vehicle (Flyer, Hover Transport)
Wargear:
Helfrost destructor
Two twin-linked heavy bolters - May be replaced with a Skyhammer launcher for free, or two twin-linked multi-meltas for 20 pts
Two Stormstrike missiles - May be replaced with a twin-linked lascannon for 15 pts
Ceramite Plating
Special Rules:
Power of the Machine Spirit
Transport:
Transport Capacity - six models
Fire Points - none
Access Points - One at rear of the hull
Helfrost cannon
dispersed - R24" S6 AP3 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Blast
focussed - R24" S8 AP1 Heavy 1, Helfrost
Helfrost destructor
dispersed - R24" S6 AP3 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Large Blast
focussed - R24" S8 AP1 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Lance
Helfrost - If a model suffers one or more unsaved wounds from this weapon, it must pass a separate Strength test for each wound suffered or be removed from play
We have some information regarding upcoming Space Wolf releases, which includes quite a bit of plastic. Space Wolves would be a fun release, if only we could get there a little faster. (its too hot outside to have patience today).
Please remember that these are rumors.
via Voice of the Chaos Gods
Plastic models for the Sons of Fenris
-Wolf Lord in Terminator Armor / Lorgan Grimnar
-Wolf Lord / Ragnar Blackmane
-Wolf Priest / Ulrik
-Iron Priest with Thralls Box
-Rune Warriors with Rune Priest / Wolf Guard Box
via an must remain anonymous source on Faeit 212
Your information on space wolves main units is a bit off.
Grey Hunters are not cheaper, they are still 15/model.
They come with Bolter, Bolt Pistol, grenades, ATSKNF, Counter Attack and Acute Senses.
They can have one model upgraded to a Wolf Guard, for +10 points, who gets +1Ld/attack and access to wargear. (Same as veteran sergeants, except that if not taken, there isn't a "character" in the unit the way normal sergeants are).
They can take 1 special weapon, or 2 at 10 man. They are limited only to special weapons and not heavy as per normal. They pay the same points as space marines now, not a discount and not a free one at 10.
They can also take plasma pistols at 1 per 5 in addition to special weapons.
They can swap their bolter for a chainsword at no cost, on a model-by-model basis, and it specifies that it must also be represented on the model.
Wolf banners are still in, but aren't as good and cost 15 points not 10.
Bloodclaws are 13 points per model, minimum 5 up to 20. Similar as above for upgrades. Unlike what's in stormclaw, if you upgrade a Bloodclaw to a Wolf Guard he gets +1 WS and BS (to take him to 4/4). They have rage now instead of their former +d3 attacks on the charge.
Wolf Guard terminators are now an entry, as are Wolf Guard non terminators, so no mixing and matching. No more pack leader separating of Wolf Guard to join other squads. Just upgrades in unit.
While I'm sure that a lot of people will be flipping over the loss of certain iconic character elements for space wolves, the new stuff in the book isn't just "Wolf This" "Wolf That" and they still remain sufficiently divergent from normal marines, with points costs that are now in line with them. Though I won't deny that they definitely were toned down in a lot of ways (that they weren't really overpowered in by any real means) they have been compensated for by gaining access to things like space marine AA tanks, a new flyer and some really nifty formations.
I took some time staring at the unboxing video, here are my findings on the new SW.
So there is a video of some unboxing of stormclaw [1] . In the video, the guy flips through the pages a bit, this shows us the points, upgrades and special rules on the units.
Here is what I gathered from it all.
It seems that SW now have standard Sgt upgrades. I am assuming this is 10pt, like other space marine chapters. Even wolf guard seem to have this, though the Sgt upgrade has nothing aside from (character) different from normal WG.
* Grey hunters seem to remain at the same point cost. They have the same special rules. Their wargear however I cannot really tell. It seems like they still have the same loadout. All come with CC wep and BP, one also has a bolt gun, so they may all have the bolter and just replaced it with special equipment. Seems like they dont have the CSM style "1pt bolter", as the unit is not a strange number and only 1 shows to have a bolter.
* Blood claws again, basing info on the 10pt sgt upgrade, blood claws are now 3pt cheaper. Lost the crazy leadership test or no shooting and gained RAGE!!!
* Wolf Guard with the loadout used in the scenario are 15pt less than wolf guard used in the current box. Combine that with the Sgt upgrade and we are looking at 5pt less per model, most likely taken out of the TDA cost. Seems to put us on par with SMTDA for cost.
* Wolf Lords Dramatic cost decrease, it is hard to compare to SM dudes as orbital bombardment and all, plus wargear differences. I can say that a Wolf lord with frost axe and belt of russ is currently 20pt more than this dude. This guy has furious charge and a bonus weapon skill to top him off. This also does not include the saga, as they have drastically changed it seems.
* All units in the box have ATSKNF, Counter attack and Acute senses (really on acute senses? Maybe we get some more outflank possibilities..)
* Frost axes and swords remain unchanged in profile.
* TDA for SW can now deepstrike, as the wargear section states so.
That is all I could gather, it might all be right, it could all be a horrible ruse from GW. Either or, I like the way it is heading. Blood claws might become usable! Considering that 15 of them is possibly only 180pt and will put out 60 attacks, that ins't all too shabby. Especially if you can prescience them! I wonder if the jump/bike variants will be more than 3pt off.
We have already seen a lot now of the new flyers for Space Wolves, the Stormwolf and Storm Fang. For the most part it is getting great reviews among the community for its rules, and for its model. So what is coming next week? Lets take a look at what we know.
It shows us that we are going to be getting releases like this.
2 weeks of releases without a codex, but with rules in the White Dwarf
1 codex release
possibly a release afterwards.
There is a leaked image from this weekend's White Dwarf that shows us what to expect next week.
It simply says,
Issue 27 on Sale: Saturday 2 August
Ancient Warriors of Fenris
Parade Ground
More Rules, More Painting Guides
I also had this in my inbox earlier, but have been waiting for another response.
via an anonymous source that gave us the early flyer information
Next week after the flyer there will be another Space Wolves release. But no codex yet. It looks as GW will make a habbit of 3-4weeks long release, just like with Orks.
Next week it looks like we are going to be seeing a new Venerable Dreadnought box set release for Space Wolves. A box set to make Bjorn the Fell-Handed would be a good release set next week. This rumor makes a lot of sense based on the "Ancient Warriors of Fenris" hint from White Dwarf.
Please remember that this is a rumor. Here is the image of the Blood of Asaheim he is talking about.
via an anonymous source on the cover of the Space Wolf codex and next week's releases.
It' looks like the Blood of Asaheim Novel cover, but different.
I heared next week GW will bring an Bjorn/Venerable SW Dreadnought Box.
It sounds like the Space Wolves are going to have a similar release to the Orks. Here is what's doing the rounds:
Latest Space Wolves Rumor Releases: 7-23-2014
August 2nd: Stormwolf/StormFang Combo-kit
August 9th: Dreadnought/Bjorn Combo-kit (includes new "freeze/cold" cannon and DCCW weapons)
August 16th:
- WolfLord (Frost axe/pistol)
- IronPriest (Servo-harness w "freeze/cold" weapon, T-hammer, pistol)
August 23rd:
- Codex Space Wolves
- Artbook
August 24th:
- Long Fangs ("freeze/cold" cannons)
- Rune Priest (Termy, (helmet/bare heads) Force staff, SB)
Rumor reliability: Medium-Low, coming from both known and unknown sources
This evening I received a confirmation of next week's releases from a separate source. This always helps to hear this from multiple sources. Next week is looking to be a Venerable/Dreadnaught with the option to build Bjorn the Fell Handed.
Please remember that these are still rumors.
via Voice of the Chaos Gods
I can confirm;
my sources say next week Space Wolves Dreadnaught with option on venerable and Björn the Fell-Handed and various weapon options.
General Information about Codex: Space Wolves
Sagas are out, replaced with Warlord Traits
6 new Space Wolves Tactical Objectives
New Space Wolves Psychic Discipline: Tempestas (Source didn't get any actual rules though)
'Space Wolves Unleashed' Detachment FOC:
Identical to standard FOC, except may take up to 6 HQs May re-roll Warlord Traits
Each unit joined by an Independent Character rolls a d6, on a 6+ that unit gains Outflank. Troops choices get +2 on this roll.
Great Company Formation:
1 Wolf Lord
1 Wolf Guard Battle Leader
1 unit of Wolf Guard
5 units of Grey Hunters
1 unit of Wolf Scouts
5 units chosen from [Blood Claws, Swiftclaws, or Skyclaws]
2 units of Long Fangs
Grants two special rules, source did not get them
Space Wolves Relics (Source didn't get rules, just name and type of item)
Armor of Russ (Armor)
Bite of Fenris (Bolter with two fire modes)
Black Death (Frost Axe, Rule: Whirldwind of Death)
Helm of Durfast (Wargear)
Fangsword of the Ice Wolf (Frost Sword)
Wulfenstone (Wargear)
Logan Grimnar - Lord of War - Points = Land Raider
Epic new model, comes with a sort of grav-chariot called 'Stormrider' pulled by two enormous Fenrisian wolves, but he can be used without it as well.
Stormrider - Points = Land Speeder + 20
Treated as a vehicle, didn't get AVs, has a 4+ Invulnerable save and cannot suffer Penetrating hits (all Pens are reduced to Glances).
Gives Logan 4 S5 Ap- attacks on a turn when he charges.
Logan loses Deep Strike if he takes Stormrider
Lots of other cool rules, but didn't get those.
Njal Stormcaller
No new model shown in codex
Looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Ragnar Blackmane
No new model shown in codex
Also looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Ulrik the Slayer
No new model shown in codex
Also looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Canis Wolfborn
Again, looked to be mostly the same, no specific information
Harald Deathwolf
The resin Thunderwolf Cavalry character model assigned a name
Didn't get the rules/stats.
Bjorn the Fell-Handed
Epic new plastic model, part of a box that makes a regular SW Venerable Dreadnought, Bjorn, or a new special character Dreadnought named 'Murderfang'.
No longer becomes a VP objective when he dies.
Wolf Lord
Mostly the same, no specific information.
Rune Priest
Mostly the same.
Specifically noted as starting at Mastery Level 2.
No other information.
Wolf Priest
Mostly the same, no specific information
Wolf Guard Battle Leader
Mostly the same, no specific information
Blood Claws Pack
12 points per model
Wolf Guard Leader upgrade available
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
No other information
Lukas the Trickster
No specific information, probably the same.
Grey Hunters Pack
14 points per model with a Bolter and Bolt Pistol
Any model may add a Close Combat Weapon for +2 points
One Special weapon per full five models still, but costs raised to same as C:SMs Wolf Guard Upgrade available
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
No other information
Dreadnought
Not sure, but might have an option for a Helfrost Cannon
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
Murderfang - Points = Vindicator + 20
Crazy-awesome special character Venerable Dreadnought
Wolverine + Dreadnought + Extra Insanity = Murderfang
WS5 BS3 S6 F12 S12 R10 I4 A4 HP3
Wargear:
Searchlight
'Murderclaws' with underslung Storm Bolter and Heavy Flamer
Special Rules:
Furious Charge
It Will Not Die
Rage
Rampage
Murderlust
Options:
May take a Drop Pod
'Murderclaws' - A pair of enormous, even for a Dreadnought, Lightning Claws made of 'alien ice that never melts or loses sharpness'
S7 AP2 - Melee, Master-Crafted, Shred, Specialist Weapon
Venerable Dreadnought
Definitely has an option for a Helfrost Cannon
Can also have an enormous Power Axe and Storm Shield, said to look incredible.
Some special rules, but didn't get them
Iron Priest
No new model shown in codex
Options appeared to be nearly identical to old codex, probably a couple points changes though
Can take a unit of 1-5 Servitors, rules also looked the same as old codex
No other information
Lone Wolf
Rules nearly identical to old codex, didn't get points cost
Owning player no longer gains a VP if they die
No other information
Wolf Guard Pack
This unit is just for Wolf Guard in Power Armor.
Same cost per model as before
Have a similarly wide array of options as in the old codex, couldn't get specifics though
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
Wolf Guard Terminator Pack
What it says on the tin, Wolf Guard in TDA 33 points per model with Storm Bolter and Power Weapon base
Options (any model in the unit can take these, this isn't all of the options though):
Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield - 15 points
Pair of Wolf Claws - 15 points
Power Fist - 10 points
Frost Axe - 5 points
Frost Sword - 5 points
Combi-weapon - 5 points
Heavy Flamer - 10 points
Assault Cannon - 20 points
Cyclone Missile Launcher - 25 points
May take a Stormwolf as a Dedicated Transport
Arjac Rockfist
Mostly the same, no specific information
Wolf Scouts
Source totally forgot to look at them. Sorry guys.
Swiftclaw Pack
-5 points per model from old codex
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
Skyclaw Assault Pack
-3 points per model from old codex
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
Thunderwolf Cavalry
-10 points per model from old codex
Otherwise similar to old codex, no other information
As noted previously:
Stormwolf - Fast Attack - Points = Land Raider minus 35
BS4 - F12 S12 R12 HP3 - Vehicle (Flyer, Hover, Transport)
Wargear:
Twin-linked helfrost cannon
Twin-linked lascannon
Two twin-linked heavy bolters - May be replaced with a Skyhammer launcher for free, or two twin-linked multi-meltas for 20pts
Ceramite Plating
Special Rules:
Assault Vehicle
Power of the Machine Spirit
Transport:
Transport Capacity - sixteen models
Fire Points - none
Access Points - One ramp at the front of the hull
Stormfang Gunship - Heavy Support - Points = Land Raider minus 30
BS4 - F12 S12 R12 HP3 - Vehicle (Flyer, Hover Transport)
Wargear:
Helfrost destructor
Two twin-linked heavy bolters - May be replaced with a Skyhammer launcher for free, or two twin-linked multi-meltas for 20 pts
Two Stormstrike missiles - May be replaced with a twin-linked lascannon for 15 pts
Ceramite Plating
Special Rules:
Power of the Machine Spirit
Transport:
Transport Capacity - six models
Fire Points - none
Access Points - One at rear of the hull
Helfrost cannon
dispersed - R24" S6 AP3 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Blast
focussed - R24" S8 AP1 Heavy 1, Helfrost
Helfrost destructor
dispersed - R24" S6 AP3 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Large Blast
focussed - R24" S8 AP1 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Lance
Helfrost - If a model suffers one or more unsaved wounds from this weapon, it must pass a separate Strength test for each wound suffered or be removed from play
Land Speeder Squadron
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Fenrisian Wolf Pack
Nearly identical to old codex, no specific information
Long Fangs Pack
Couple of new options for squad leader, who is now called a 'Long Fang Ancient'
Source did not get if they had an option for Flakk Missiles
Might be able to take a Stormwolf/Stormfang as a Dedicated Transport, not sure about this though
Otherwise nearly identical to old codex, no other information
Predator
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Whirlwind
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Vindicator
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Land Raider and variants
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Rhino and Razorback
No Helfrost Cannon option for the Razorback, same as Codex: Space Marines
Drop Pod
Same as Codex: Space Marines
Notable Exclusions from Codex: Space Marines
No Stormtalon
No Storm Raven
No Hunter or Stalker
Space Wolves AA options: Stormwolf, Stormfang, ADL gun emplacement, and Allies
CCW are 2ppm
1 per squad may take a power weapon at 15ppm or Power fist at 25ppm
One GH can replace his Bolt Pistol for a plasma pistol 15ppm
For every 5 models, one may take a Special weapon.
One GH may become a WG Pack Leader 15pts
1 GH per detachment may take what I can only assume is a Wolf Banner/Standard. Can't make it out properly.
The WGPL may take weapons from the Melee Weapons and Ranged Weapons lists and may take Melta Bombs.
The WGPL may exchange his BP, CCW, PA and Grenades for TDA, Stormbolter and Power Weapon.
A WGT Pack Leader may take only from the Terminator Weapons 15pts
May take a Rhino, Razorback or Drop Pod or Stormwolf Assault Craft
Deadshot wrote:Dreadnought 95pts
Wargear
MM Power Fist with Built in Storm Bolter
Searchlight
Can take from Dreadnought weapons list.
Can swap PF for
Wolf Claw (retain SB) 5pts
Missile Launcher 10pts
Twin Linked Autocannon 15pts
Can swap SB for Heavy Flamer 10pts
Take Extra Armour 10pts
Smoke Launchers 5pts
Can upgrade to Venerable Status 25pts
One Venerable Dreadnought (must be Venerable, one per army) can swap their MM and PF+SB for the Axe of Fenris and Blizzard Shield. 25pts
May take a Drop Pod
Special Rules
Venerable
Adds 1 to Steal the Initiative
5+ Invulnerable Save
options
Can swap Assault Cannon for
Plasma or Helfrost Cannon for free
TL Lascannon for 5pts.
Relic: "True Claw?"
Str 10
AP 2
Master Crafted, Shred
Drop Pod option.
Deadshot wrote:
Harald Deathwolf.
190pts base
Wargear
Power Armour
Frost Axe
Bolt Pistol
Grenades
Storm Shield
Thunderwolf Mount. Apparently TW are now Wargear.
Special Rules
Counterattack
Outflank
Independent Character
Acute Senses
ATSKNF
Space Wolf units with the Unit Type Beasts or Cavalry can use his Ld value while within 12" of him.
Saga of the Wolf
Can take up to 2 Fenrisian Wolves for 8ppm
Relic: Mantle of King Ice Trolls (Literal translation).
More logical translation= Mantle of the King of the Ice Trolls
Makes Harald Deathwolf immune to the effects of Pyromancy Psychic Powers and Flamer Weapons as detailed in Warhammer 40, 000: The Rules
Wolf Scouts
Wargear
Scout Armour
Bolter
Bolt Pistol
Grenades
Power Armour for WGPL
Special Rules
Counterattack
Acute Senses
Infiltrate
Scouts
Move Through Cover
ATSKNF
5-10 Scouts per unit, 14ppm
Can take Camo Cloaks for 2ppm
One model may become WGPL for 10ppm
WGPL may take Ranged and Melee Weapons and Melta Bombs
Any Scout can swap their Bolter for a Shotgun or CCW for free, or a Sniper Rifle for 1ppm
Up to 2 Scouts may swap their Bolter for a Plasma Pistol or Power Weapon for 15ppm per weapon.
One Scout may swap his Bolter for a Heavy or Special Weapon.
Deadshot wrote:
Blood Claws
5-15 Blood Claws, 12ppm
Wargear
Power Armour
BP CCW Grenades
Special Rules
ATSKNF Acute Senses
Counterattack
Rage
Options
One may swap BP for Plasma Pistol 15pts
One may swap their CCW for a Power Weapon (15pts) or Power Fist (25pts)
One Blood Claw may take a Special Weapon and if the squad numbers 15 models, another Blood Claw may take one too.
One Blood Claw upgrade to WGPL for 10pts
May take Melee and Ranged weapons and Melta Bombs (5pts)
May swap all his gear for TDA, Power Weapon and Stormbolter, and then may take only from the Terminator Weapons for 15pts
Squad may take Rhino, Razorback, Drop Pod or Stormwolf Assault Craft
Skyclaws
5-10 Skyclaws, 15ppm
Wargear
Power Armour
BP CCW Grenades
Jump Pack
Special Rules
ATSKNF Acute Senses
Counterattack
Rage (Skyclaws Only)
Options
2 Skyclaws may swap their Bolt Pistols for
Flamer 5pts
Meltagun 10pts
Plasma Gun or Pistol 15pts
One Skyclaw may swap his CCW for a
Power Weapon 15pts
Power Fist 25pts
One may upgrade to a Wolf Guard Sky Leader
May take from Ranged and Melee Weapons
May take Melta Bombs for 5pts
No option to remove Jump Packs or get a transport of any kind.
Deadshot wrote:
Wolf Guard 90pts base
4 WG, 1 WGPL
Wargear
Wargear
Power Armour
BP CCW Grenades
Special Rules
ATSKNF Acute Senses
Counterattack
Options
+5 Wolf Guard 18ppm
Any model may swap their Bolter for a CCW for free (mix and match allowed)
Any model may take from Ranged and Melee weapons (mix and match allowed)
Any model may have Melta Bombs for 5ppm
The unit may have Jump Packs for 3ppm or Bikes for 7ppm!!!
May take a Rhino, Razorback, Drop Pod or Stormwolf Assault Craft OR any of the Land Raiders
NO OPTION FOR TERMINATOR ARMOUR. POSSIBLE IT IS NOW A SEPERATE UNIT
Deadshot wrote:Long Fangs 30pts base
1 Long Fang
1 Long Fang Ancient (sergeant)
Wargear
Bolt Pistol
CCW Grenades
Power Armour
Special Rules
Counterattack
Acute Senses
Split Fire
ATSKNF
Options
+4 Long Fangs 15ppm
Ancient may swap his pistol or Chainsword for a Power Weapon or Plasma Pistol (15pts) or Power Fist 25pts
Ancient may have Melta Bombs 5pts
Any Long Fang can have Heavy Weapons and Ancient can have a Special weapon.
One Long Fang can be upgraded to a WGPL for 10pts (only use for the awkward 5th Long Fang I think) for 10pts
May take Melee and Ranged weapons and Melta Bombs (5pts)
May swap all his gear for TDA, Power Weapon and Stormbolter, and then may take only from the Terminator Weapons 15pts
Squad may take Rhino, Razorback, Drop Pod or Stormwolf Assault Craft
Deadshot wrote:Logan Grimnar. Unknown base cost. Lord of War
Wargear
Terminator Armour
Stormbolter
Belt of Russ
Saga of Majesty
Special Rules
Eternal Warrior
Independent Character
Acute Senses
Counterattack
Stubborn
ATSKNF
May take Stormrider at +70pts
Relics
Axe of Morkai
Grimnar may elect to use the Axe of Morkai one handed or Two Handed. He may freely choose which attack is going to be (ie, can choose 3x 1 handed and 1x 2 handed). This decision must be made before any blows are struck.
While riding Stormrider, Logan may move 12" in the movement phase. Stormrider itself has a 4+ Invulnerable Save. All Penetrating Hits against Stormrider count instead as Glancing Hits. Grimnar loses its special rule Deep Strike (which is given by his Terminator armor) can not join another unit or be joined by Independent Characters. While riding Stormrider, Logan may make an additional 4 Attacks at Str 5, AP- with the "Steely?" Special Rule. "This may provide an additional motion during combat to Join?" I'm thinking it means he has additional charge range but none is specified.
Psychic Powers
Primaris, Warp Charge 1
Witchfire with the following profile
Rg 18"
Str 7
AP-
Assault 3, Shock
Shock: Rolls of 6 to Hit automatically cause 2 more hits, unless Snap Firing.
1- Name Unknown, Warp Charge 1
This is a Blessing that targets the caster and his unit. For the remainder of the turn, the Psyker and his unit are Obscured.
2- Wrath of the Storm, Warp Charge 1
This is a Malediction that targets a single enemy unit within 18". For the remainder of the turn, that unit has -1 BS, and treats all terrain as Dangerous Terrain, even open Terrain. If the unit is a Jump, Jet, Jetbike, FMC, Flyer or Skimmer unit, or Immobilised, it must immediately take a Dangerous Terrain Test.
3- Thunderclap, Warp Charge 1
Nova with profile
Rg 12"
Str 3
AP-
Assault 2D6
5- Fury of the Wolf Spirits, Warp Charge 2
Witchfire
When manifesting this power the Psyker can shoot with the 2 profiles shown below, one at a time in any order. Both must target the same unit.
Range 18"
str 6 --- 5
AP - ---- 6
Assault 4----- Assault 2, Precision Shots
Jaws of the World Wolf, Warp Charge 2
Focussed Witchfire, Range 18"
Model hit takes Initiative Test, if it fails remoce it from play. Monstrous Creatures automatically pass the test and vehicles cannot be targetted.
Sagas/Warlord Traits
1- of the Warrior Born
Reroll failex hits in CC.
2- of the Wolf
The Warlord and any unit of Beasts or Cavalry he joins from Faction:Space Wolves has Stubborn. Also, any Beasts or Cavalry units from Faction Space Wolves within 12" of the Warlord gains Furious Charge until the end of the assault Phase
3- of the Beastslayer
Grants the Warlord Monster Hunter
4- of the Bear
Grants the Warlord Feel No Pain (6+)
5- of the Hunter
Grants the Warlord Scout and Outflank
6- of Majesty
Any unit of Space Wolves within 12" may reroll Morale and Pinning
Deadshot wrote:Special Rules in the summary Section. The pattern goes from top left to bottom right.
Murderlust
Murderfang is immune to Crew Shaken and Crew Stunned but still loses a Hull Point.
Drop Pod Assault
As normal
Cunning of the Wolf (Great Company Formation ONLY)
During deployment, roll a D6 for each unit in the formation and add +2 if they are troops or have an IC from the Formation attached to the unit. On a roll of 6+, the unit gains the Outflank rule. Additionally, at the start of any turn except the first, you may choose which units to keep in deployment instead of rolling. These units enter ongoing reserves and come in automatically next turn.
Howl of War?
Ragnar Blackmane and his unit have Furious Charge
Howl of the Wolf? (Great Company only)
The Wolf Lord from the formation and his unit have Furious Charge and Fleet.
Mindlock
As normal
"Demented Bravado"
Ragnar Blackmane must issue and accept challenges where possible.
Grimnar's Champion
Arjac Rockfist must issue and accept challenges where possible, and may reroll to hit rolls in a challenge.
The Last Laugh
If Lukas the Trickster is slain in a challenge, each player must roll a dice. If the Space Wolf player rolls high, Lukas' opponent is also removed as a casualty.
Great Company Formation
Note these Rules apply to this formation ONLY!
Composition
1 Wolf Lord
1 Wolf Guard Battle Leader
1 Unit of Wolf Guard
1 Unit of Wolf Scouts
2 Units of Long Fangs
3 Units chosen from; Blood Claws, Skyclaws, Swiftclaws, in any combination.
5 Units of Grey Hunters. One unit must have the Wolf Standard.
Formation special rules
Cunning of the Wolf
During deployment, roll a D6 for each unit in the formation and add +2 if they are troops or have an IC from the Formation attached to the unit. On a roll of 6+, the unit gains the Outflank rule. Additionally, at the start of any turn except the first, you may choose which units to keep in deployment instead of rolling. These units enter ongoing reserves and come in automatically next turn.
Howl of the Wolf
The Wolf Lord and his unit from this Formation have the Furious Charge and Fleet special rule.
Jarl of Russ (Jarl is SW lingo)
The Warlord may reroll his Saga if chosen from this Formation.
If OP or a Mod could swap out the translation in the OP for this post, its got the entire set of leaked pics translated.
Voice of the Chaos Gods - Total rumors: (5 TRUE) / (5 FALSE) / (1 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)
Automatically Appended Next Post: Voice has also predicted SW for January 2015, February 2015 and Sept 2014 (both predicted within weeks of each other).
New Logan Grimnar doesn't seem likely- he's fairly new. Ragnar Blackmane and Ulrik however, are screaming for new models. A plastic Wolf Lord in TDA would be cool.
angelofvengeance wrote: New Logan Grimnar doesn't seem likely- he's fairly new. Ragnar Blackmane and Ulrik however, are screaming for new models. A plastic Wolf Lord in TDA would be cool.
Um, what? Logan's model is over 20 years old. If I remember right he and Dante are the oldest character models GW still uses.
angelofvengeance wrote: New Logan Grimnar doesn't seem likely- he's fairly new. Ragnar Blackmane and Ulrik however, are screaming for new models. A plastic Wolf Lord in TDA would be cool.
Um, what? Logan's model is over 20 years old. If I remember right he and Dante are the oldest character models GW still uses.
Wrong- Ragnar Blackmane is over 20yrs old. Logan Grimnar only came out in 5th.
New characters would be awesome to see, even better if they are dual kits with options.
A squad of 'Rune Warriors' that either boost the power of or otherwise buff a Priest would be pretty cool, even better if they can split off like Wolf Guard to add psychic potential to squads.
4 plastic characters but only one new unit box sounds unlikely, though.
angelofvengeance wrote: New Logan Grimnar doesn't seem likely- he's fairly new. Ragnar Blackmane and Ulrik however, are screaming for new models. A plastic Wolf Lord in TDA would be cool.
Um, what? Logan's model is over 20 years old. If I remember right he and Dante are the oldest character models GW still uses.
Nope. The logan model is from 3rd. Ulrik, Ragnar and PA Njal are 20 years old though.
angelofvengeance wrote: New Logan Grimnar doesn't seem likely- he's fairly new. Ragnar Blackmane and Ulrik however, are screaming for new models. A plastic Wolf Lord in TDA would be cool.
Um, what? Logan's model is over 20 years old. If I remember right he and Dante are the oldest character models GW still uses.
Wrong- Ragnar Blackmane is over 20yrs old. Logan Grimnar only came out in 5th.
Then why am I seeing a picture of Logan's model in the Space wolves 3rd edition codex?
angelofvengeance wrote: New Logan Grimnar doesn't seem likely- he's fairly new. Ragnar Blackmane and Ulrik however, are screaming for new models. A plastic Wolf Lord in TDA would be cool.
Um, what? Logan's model is over 20 years old. If I remember right he and Dante are the oldest character models GW still uses.
Wrong- Ragnar Blackmane is over 20yrs old. Logan Grimnar only came out in 5th.
Then why am I seeing a picture of Logan's model in the Space wolves 3rd edition codex?
That's when he came out. 3rd edition space wolves came out in 2000.
angelofvengeance wrote: New Logan Grimnar doesn't seem likely- he's fairly new. Ragnar Blackmane and Ulrik however, are screaming for new models. A plastic Wolf Lord in TDA would be cool.
Um, what? Logan's model is over 20 years old. If I remember right he and Dante are the oldest character models GW still uses.
Nope. The logan model is from 3rd. Ulrik, Ragnar and PA Njal are 20 years old though.
Paradigm wrote: New characters would be awesome to see, even better if they are dual kits with options.
A squad of 'Rune Warriors' that either boost the power of or otherwise buff a Priest would be pretty cool, even better if they can split off like Wolf Guard to add psychic potential to squads.
4 plastic characters but only one new unit box sounds unlikely, though.
angelofvengeance wrote: New Logan Grimnar doesn't seem likely- he's fairly new. Ragnar Blackmane and Ulrik however, are screaming for new models. A plastic Wolf Lord in TDA would be cool.
Um, what? Logan's model is over 20 years old. If I remember right he and Dante are the oldest character models GW still uses.
Nope. The logan model is from 3rd. Ulrik, Ragnar and PA Njal are 20 years old though.
Paradigm wrote: New characters would be awesome to see, even better if they are dual kits with options.
A squad of 'Rune Warriors' that either boost the power of or otherwise buff a Priest would be pretty cool, even better if they can split off like Wolf Guard to add psychic potential to squads.
4 plastic characters but only one new unit box sounds unlikely, though.
Not a fan of a psychic boosting unit for SW.
It won't be a psychic boosting unit... It will be a boosting the "drawing on the powers of Fenris" unit And I also don't like the sounds of it (Though we have absurdly little to go on at this time)
angelofvengeance wrote: I know about Njal and Ragnar- I was on about Logan Grimnar's model pretre. I'm still convinced it was a 4th ed/5th ed codex release.
You would be wrong. I'm looking at the 3E SW codex right now and he's in it.
angelofvengeance wrote: I know about Njal and Ragnar- I was on about Logan Grimnar's model pretre. I'm still convinced it was a 4th ed/5th ed codex release.
You would be wrong. I'm looking at the 3E SW codex right now and he's in it.
Yeah, I bet you my metal Logan that you're wrong and Ferrum and I are right.
angelofvengeance wrote: I know about Njal and Ragnar- I was on about Logan Grimnar's model pretre. I'm still convinced it was a 4th ed/5th ed codex release.
Not sure about when he was release but he was definitely out before 5th.
Paradigm wrote: New characters would be awesome to see, even better if they are dual kits with options.
A squad of 'Rune Warriors' that either boost the power of or otherwise buff a Priest would be pretty cool, even better if they can split off like Wolf Guard to add psychic potential to squads.
4 plastic characters but only one new unit box sounds unlikely, though.
angelofvengeance wrote: New Logan Grimnar doesn't seem likely- he's fairly new. Ragnar Blackmane and Ulrik however, are screaming for new models. A plastic Wolf Lord in TDA would be cool.
Um, what? Logan's model is over 20 years old. If I remember right he and Dante are the oldest character models GW still uses.
Nope. The logan model is from 3rd. Ulrik, Ragnar and PA Njal are 20 years old though.
angelofvengeance wrote: New Logan Grimnar doesn't seem likely- he's fairly new. Ragnar Blackmane and Ulrik however, are screaming for new models. A plastic Wolf Lord in TDA would be cool.
Um, what? Logan's model is over 20 years old. If I remember right he and Dante are the oldest character models GW still uses.
Aside from it being Ragnar, as noted - Are they still using Jes Goodwin's 2nd-ed Mephiston and Azrael? What about whatsisname? - The Sanguinary Priest.
Uriels_Flame wrote: Just go back to 2nd ed / Rogue Trader and see what Space Wolves had then.
They will get a flier, they will get something to use during the psychic phase, and they will get an upgrade unit.
Whatever sucks in their codex now will be the new shiny in the new dex.
I'd say bring back their ability to field the Tank named after their Primarch.
Decided to make my first post on Dakka to support this.
Played 40K during 3rd edition (only), and just getting back in with 7th.
I had the Logan Grimnar model (same as current) and he is in the 3rd edition codex.
But I was really upset to see the Russ Exterminators gone when I picked up the 5th ed codex (mainly for the fluff).
I want them back.
Also getting our own dreadnought again would be nice...
Played 40K during 3rd edition (only), and just getting back in with 7th.
I had the Logan Grimnar model (same as current) and he is in the 3rd edition codex.
Yep, Logan was one of the later 3rd edition SW minis, IIRC. Definitely remember playing against him, and almost exclusively played 3rd.
A unit of psychers (a-la warlocks) really makes zero sense fluff-wise for wolves. That list seems VERY thrown together with "uh well it seems to make the most sense for this so sure, why don't I just say its a rumor"
while we're calling guesses rumors: I'm guessing there will be a Wolf flyer, Updated Ragnar, (which will be the only character because of Krom being in the campaign set) and a repackage of the "Wolf Pack" in 5 at $30 like Dire Avengers. Maybe an Ax-wielding variant on the Centurion? Unsure. But I think the odds of those are the same if not better than the odd of that guy's list being accurate. Most updates havent had more than 2 characters, and like I said, Krom already was used for the pack.
angelofvengeance wrote: I know about Njal and Ragnar- I was on about Logan Grimnar's model pretre. I'm still convinced it was a 4th ed/5th ed codex release.
You would be wrong. I'm looking at the 3E SW codex right now and he's in it.
Yeah, I bet you my metal Logan that you're wrong and Ferrum and I are right.
He came out in 1999/2000 because I was in high school when the first space wolf plastic sprue was for sale. He was released fairly early on in 3rd edition. There are other models older than Logan.
Chaos have Abbadon, Kharn, Ahriman, Fabius
Eldar have Eldrad, avatar, all of the Phoenix lords
Blood Angels have Tycho, Dante, Corbulo, and Mephiston
Space Marines have PA Calgar
Dark Angels have azrael, Ezekiel, and brother bethor (standard bearer). Azrael and Ezekiel have been re-released with different banner poles though. Not sure if that counts.
Metal Logan is awesome, one of my favourite models. Always gets the job done too (in his last game he killed a Bloodthirster in assault and then pimp slapped a Daemon Prince and a squad of Bloodletters for kicks).
Rune Warriors... yeah, they sound like either a brotherhood of psykers unit, or perhaps a major psychic defense unit. Not all that sensible really, but oh well... that just means I won't have to buy any new models.
There is a million percent chance that Logan came out in 2000. The SW codex was released in the spring, a month after the long awaited new plastic Land Raider kit. Logan was released a few weeks after the Codex. I'll bet a bazillion dollars on it. I remember how great he looked, and how excited I was to get him. There was nothing in 4th for the Wolves. The 5th edition release in 2009 had Lukas and Njal in TDA for characters. Arjac and the direct only standard bearer came out with the second wave (TWC, Fenrisian Wolves, cyber wolf finecast).
A Wolf Guard PA 5 man kit is my dream, but I don't expect it. If I ran GW, I'd dual kit that with Long Fangs. But I expect they'll get the flyer, maybe some Centurions with CCW and assault cannons, and if were lucky, a plastic Ven Dread with Bjorn options.
dienekes96 wrote: A Wolf Guard PA 5 man kit is my dream, but I don't expect it.
Be careful what you wish for. Given that the current 10-man Wolf box makes Grey Hunters, Blood Claws and Wolf Guard I think it's a pretty safe bet that they'll get Dire Avenger'd and end up as a 5-man box for the same price as the current 10-man one.
dienekes96 wrote: A Wolf Guard PA 5 man kit is my dream, but I don't expect it.
Be careful what you wish for. Given that the current 10-man Wolf box makes Grey Hunters, Blood Claws and Wolf Guard I think it's a pretty save bet that they'll get Dire Avenger'd and end up as a 5-man box for the same price as the current 10-man one.
I fully expect this as well. The sprues are cut perfectly for it too. It's why I just grabbed 60 of them.
If it is all new sculpts and bits a la the Sternguard kit, with bearded heads and runed up armor with wolf pelts (vice capes), I would not complain. I care about new (high quality) parts of my SW infantry. If they want to charge a Sternguard price for that kit, fine by me. If they just want to repack the WP kit as a more expensive 5 man, I won't buy a single box. I doubt any vets would, so I hope they get a lot of new SW fans with Stormclaw who need PA kits.
Anyways, for a bunch of PA troops that are similar to Krom, I'll plop down some coin.
And I know the pack kit can make WG. The Tac kit can make Sternguard and the Death Company. But those kits bring some really nice bits. And again...I'd love some fully bearded heads and more wolf pelts for my Wolves.
I get what you want, and it sounds like a good idea, but my point stands: Be careful what you wish for. GW will find a way to give you want you want with their right hand whilst taking something away with the left. They always do.
Wow.. half of this thread is just different people confirming Logan Grimnar was released a long time ago as a model. Okay we get it, no need for everyone to mention it lol.
SW are in the same boat as BA as far as models.. the only stuff that is missing are redone characters.
Besides the really old characters, are there any kits that really need updating? I thought they had most of their units updated with the last codex.
Bjorn. He is a major character with his own rules, and an ancient (large) Finecast kit. While BA seem to be all about the numbers of Dreadnoughts, Space Wolves hae a lot of fluff about having a lot of ancient ones, so a Space Wolves Venerable Dreadnought kit with parts for Bjorn would seem like a logical kit to come out. Wolves are also lacking a flier and/or anti-air (though they may get say the Storm Raven and Hunter/Stalker imported in)
Besides that, all the Wolf infantry units can be rather well represented with the Wolf Pack box and Wolf Guard terminators. GW could always decide to sell a Long Fangs box, with say the HW sprue from the devastator kit and a 5 man wolf pack sprue, but that would not be a new kit in any way, more like a bundle.
We don't know. We know he wasn't in the 1999 catalogue, but was in the 2000. All that proves really is that he wasn't in the 1999 catelogue, not that he was released between those books.
MajorWesJanson wrote: Bjorn. He is a major character with his own rules, and an ancient (large) Finecast kit.
My Bjorn is made of lead, ya damned children!
Yggdrasil wrote: Any hint about a possible Codex ? As I'm getting Stormclaw soon, I'm debating whether to buy the old 'dex, or waiting for the new one...
I'd hold off for a little bit. Just give it a few months - borrow someone else's in the meantime - and just wait. Last thing you want is to buy a Codex a month or two before the new one comes out.
We don't know. We know he wasn't in the 1999 catalogue, but was in the 2000. All that proves really is that he wasn't in the 1999 catelogue, not that he was released between those books.
We don't know. We know he wasn't in the 1999 catalogue, but was in the 2000. All that proves really is that he wasn't in the 1999 catelogue, not that he was released between those books.
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August 2000. Logan is in the new release section.
SmurfInABlender wrote: A unit of psychers (a-la warlocks) really makes zero sense fluff-wise for wolves. That list seems VERY thrown together with "uh well it seems to make the most sense for this so sure, why don't I just say its a rumor"
I think it would make sense as a Shaman's Bodyguard sort of thing. They could come with Runic Armour (2+ and a 5+ against Psychic) and some kind of latent psychic defence buff, allowing the Rune Priest to focus on offensive and buffing powers rather than defending (fluff-wise at least).
A plastic Bjorn kit would be cool as a new option, far more palatable than a giant monster or mech.
I find it odd that they'd have an Iron Priest and Thrall kit rather than a Tech Marine and Servitor kit that would work for all flavours of Space Marines.
Rune Priest and Rune Warriors... I wonder if they'll be elites? Depending on their rules it might work for a Pre-Heresy Thousand Son army, ha!
pretre and I are having fun. Stop injecting facts!
Indeed!
I agree on the metal Bjorn. It's one of my oldest painted minis (meaning one that hasn't been repainted since I first painted it). That sucker is heavy. Also, I loved the speculation that Bjorn would become a LoW. Give him a little boost and I could completely dig it.
Come on, we're going to get a flying kraken with a blood claw, named Hrojta, riding it. It will be epic! The kind of story that only happens once and will be told for centuries to come.
New summoning spell, like greater daemon summoning, the rune priest change into a great spiritwolf (for sale on big oval base).
Not sure about the named characters. 7th has not been about great special characters. Some get cut and many get nerfed so hard they dont even get considered in friendly games.
Then again, SW is all about the colorful heroes and their sagas.
-Retinue of the Wolf Priest - 1x Wolf Priest, 10x Wolf Guard
1x Wolf Priest sprue, 2x Space Wolves sprues, 1x Space Marine Command Squad sprue
-Ragnars Great Company - 1x Wolf Lord, 5x Terminators, 20x Grey Hunters / Blood Claws, 3x Drop Pod
1x Wolf Lord sprue, 1x Space Wolves Terminator sprue, 4x Space Wolves sprues, 3x Drop Pod sprues
Red Corsair wrote: I hope hero hammer style lists are still a possibility. They aren't great, but they are damn fun builds.
Yeah, just think, we were pretty much the first ones to get our own FOC. My guess is that will translate into SPECULATION
New Detachment Type - SW Detachment with 4 HQ slots (i.e. no more two for one). I also think GH get option to buy two weapons at .
-Retinue of the Wolf Priest - 1x Wolf Priest, 10x Wolf Guard
1x Wolf Priest sprue, 2x Space Wolves sprues, 1x Space Marine Command Squad sprue
-Ragnars Great Company - 1x Wolf Lord, 5x Terminators, 20x Grey Hunters / Blood Claws, 3x Drop Pod
1x Wolf Lord sprue, 1x Space Wolves Terminator sprue, 4x Space Wolves sprues, 3x Drop Pod sprues
All of thes sound plausible. But I would really prefer a bunch of new dual plastic HQ kits instead...
-Ragnars Great Company - 1x Wolf Lord, 5x Terminators, 20x Grey Hunters / Blood Claws, 3x Drop Pod
1x Wolf Lord sprue, 1x Space Wolves Terminator sprue, 4x Space Wolves sprues, 3x Drop Pod sprues
That one sounds really likely, especially when totaling up the price. Assuming the new Wolf Lord is $30, this amounts to $266.25. At a 75% discount (which I assume to be the least amount) the box would be priced at $200. At a discount of 65% (which I assume to be the best amount) it would be priced at $175. Throw in a dreadnought to the box and it could be put at $225 like the Space Marine Strikeforce.
I'm wondering what exactly a "Wolf Lord Sprue" is, unless its part of a new Wolf lord kit. Hope its not referring to the old Space Wolves upgrade sprue or wahtever.
-Retinue of the Wolf Priest - 1x Wolf Priest, 10x Wolf Guard
1x Wolf Priest sprue, 2x Space Wolves sprues, 1x Space Marine Command Squad sprue
-Ragnars Great Company - 1x Wolf Lord, 5x Terminators, 20x Grey Hunters / Blood Claws, 3x Drop Pod
1x Wolf Lord sprue, 1x Space Wolves Terminator sprue, 4x Space Wolves sprues, 3x Drop Pod sprues
Really just sounds like a bunch of 1-click orders from the site / limited store copies besides the Long Fang Pack which will always be there.
Ragnars Great company. Sure, i guess i could see that being an actual boxed set.
Retinue of the Wolf priest. Nope, because someone that would be 16 models in a box. Plus unless they are messing with the fluff by separating wolf priests and apothecaries, then that is an extra reason this box wouldn't happen.
Long fang pack. Plausible.
SkyClaws. Just no.
-Ragnars Great Company - 1x Wolf Lord, 5x Terminators, 20x Grey Hunters / Blood Claws, 3x Drop Pod
1x Wolf Lord sprue, 1x Space Wolves Terminator sprue, 4x Space Wolves sprues, 3x Drop Pod sprues
That one sounds really likely, especially when totaling up the price. Assuming the new Wolf Lord is $30, this amounts to $266.25. At a 75% discount (which I assume to be the least amount) the box would be priced at $200. At a discount of 65% (which I assume to be the best amount) it would be priced at $175. Throw in a dreadnought to the box and it could be put at $225 like the Space Marine Strikeforce.
This would be pretty nice actually, a good core army and enough Pods to go around for once. Give a decent discount on it and it'd be awesome. Wolf Lord Sprue sounds like another single-pose character model, but seeing as this is listed as Ragnar's, there's a chance this could be a dual-kit with options for the man himself.
Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote: I'm wondering what exactly a "Wolf Lord Sprue" is, unless its part of a new Wolf lord kit. Hope its not referring to the old Space Wolves upgrade sprue or wahtever.
I'm guessing it's just the Wolf Lord kit and not an upgrade sprue. The two lines confused me, but the sprue list just seems to be repeating the first line.
Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote: I'm wondering what exactly a "Wolf Lord Sprue" is, unless its part of a new Wolf lord kit. Hope its not referring to the old Space Wolves upgrade sprue or wahtever.
Sweet. As a longtime SW player and collector, to get the two new (small) HQ sprues (which will probably be great), I just need to buy two big box sets including:
-Retinue of the Wolf Priest - 2x Space Wolves sprues, 1x Space Marine Command Squad sprue
-Ragnars Great Company - 1x Wolf Lord sprue, 1x Space Wolves Terminator sprue, 4x Space Wolves sprues, 3x Drop Pod sprues
Let me total that up.
1 WGT kit
3 Wolf Pack kits
3 Drop Pods
1 Space Marine Command Sprue
Sounds great. Buy a bunch of stuff you already have for two HQ sprues. The other new kits are just packs of existing sprues.
Bring it on. I've been hopeful for a Wolf Priest and Wolf Lord sprue. Now they'll just cost me $325.
Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote: I'm hoping they also released a Wolf Lord on Thunderwolf kit that can be made into Canis Wolfborn, but I guess that would be a bit too much...
Seeing as both have fairly recent models, I doubt it.
Surely a plastic Thunderwolf Rider with a pair of LC and a few extra bits works as Canis, though?
My fear is that they will remove the ability to bring wolves into core via canis like they did with orks not able to take bikes into core. I guess with all the unbound and multiple forces type stuff they feel its not needed anymore to have a character that allows a troop to be moved into core but... i really like my fenrisian wolves and love the model and we still play with only one FO allowed at times.
NickF509 wrote: My fear is that they will remove the ability to bring wolves into core via canis like they did with orks not able to take bikes into core. I guess with all the unbound and multiple forces type stuff they feel its not needed anymore to have a character that allows a troop to be moved into core but... i really like my fenrisian wolves and love the model and we still play with only one FO allowed at times.
House rule it. You're already changing the 7th ed core rules, so change the other rules which were only dropped because they are redundant in core 7th.
Yeah. On one hand, we want to say "Cool, TS are mentioned so maybe SW will be accompanied by TS supplement stuff!"
On the other hand, we all remember the excitement when there was a new sculpt for the Thousand Sons rubric marine helm (Thunder Wolf Cav and TW Lord, of course). Everyone was all "TS stuff is imminent!"
So we shall see.
On a side note, I hope Lone Wolves go away. It's very annoying to fight 20+ of them in an Unbound SW army. Not because they're effective or anything... but because watching the player waste time by rolling runs and difficult terrain for each individual model is excruciating. : D for all you who only use one or two, sorry if they go away, haha.
Brometheus wrote: Yeah. On one hand, we want to say "Cool, TS are mentioned so maybe SW will be accompanied by TS supplement stuff!"
On the other hand, we all remember the excitement when there was a new sculpt for the Thousand Sons rubric marine helm (Thunder Wolf Cav and TW Lord, of course). Everyone was all "TS stuff is imminent!"
So we shall see.
On a side note, I hope Lone Wolves go away. It's very annoying to fight 20+ of them in an Unbound SW army. Not because they're effective or anything... but because watching the player waste time by rolling runs and difficult terrain for each individual model is excruciating. : D for all you who only use one or two, sorry if they go away, haha.
Just kite them for 5 turns, don't fire a single weapon. At the end of the game, you get 20D3 Victory Points!
Not sure if it matters too much because I only stumbled across it accidentally but in the Space Wolves 13th Company, their assault specialists are called Storm Claws. Bad choice for the latest campaign by GW or some extraordinarily obscure reference? It can be seen on Lexicanum and all that. On phone so I can't link.
Thorgrim Bloodcrow wrote: Not sure if it matters too much because I only stumbled across it accidentally but in the Space Wolves 13th Company, their assault specialists are called Storm Claws. Bad choice for the latest campaign by GW or some extraordinarily obscure reference? It can be seen on Lexicanum and all that. On phone so I can't link.
There are only so many combinations on the spinner wheels that GW uses to name things. Storm Claws are obviously generated by the same mechanism that gave us all the SM flyers.
Thorgrim Bloodcrow wrote: Not sure if it matters too much because I only stumbled across it accidentally but in the Space Wolves 13th Company, their assault specialists are called Storm Claws. Bad choice for the latest campaign by GW or some extraordinarily obscure reference? It can be seen on Lexicanum and all that. On phone so I can't link.
There are only so many combinations on the spinner wheels that GW uses to name things. Storm Claws are obviously generated by the same mechanism that gave us all the SM flyers.
I figured as much. It had SW in it so of course they needed to add Wolf, Tail, Rune, Fang or Claw in there somewhere.
I feel like Games Workshop really needs to go balls to the fething wall with the next Space Wolves release and just release a new model that's basically a polar-bear wearing lightning claws with shoulder-mounted autocannons.
WS5 BS3 Str6 T5 W3 I3 A3 Ld6 6+sv
40ppm
Can be taken in units of 5 and may deep-strike with no explanation given.
BlaxicanX wrote: I feel like Games Workshop really needs to go balls to the fething wall with the next Space Wolves release and just release a new model that's basically a polar-bear wearing lightning claws with shoulder-mounted autocannons.
WS5 BS3 Str6 T5 W3 I3 A3 Ld6 6+sv
40ppm
Can be taken in units of 5 and may deep-strike with no explanation given.
GH 125p
5x PA with a BP Frag and Krak
Hengist with Power Axe
1x PP/CS 1x PG 2x BG
BC 110
5x PA with frag and Krak
Egil with BP/PF 1x PP/CS 3x BP/CS
I know what you mean about Uber grit, I still hope we haven't lost it. Head strong wasn't really a problem because you could always get around it.
Like in the new ork codex all units come as dataslates, so it should be no problem using him as HQ. Maybe you can even "build" your own Krom with the current SW codex, but I don't have it to make sure. He costs the same as a Ironclad Dread his stats are 6/5/4/4/3/5/4/10, 3+. He is quipped with a Boltpistol,Frag and Krak grenads and the belt of russ (4++). also he has a wyrmtalon, his +2,AP2 mastercrafted axe. USR: ATSKNF,counterattack,furious charge,acute senses, stubborn. His warlord trait is (translated) "Saga of the born warrior": He has to make challenges and accept them whenever possible but can reroll all to hit rolls if he fights in a challenge.
The rules for Krom are covered in the other post, so I'll give you those for Grukk: 5pts cheaper than Krom, 5/2/5/5/3/4/4/9,4+. He has a (excuse me if I don't properly translate the ork weapons, I don't know all their english names) combigun with bazooka, a squig that lets him reroll 1 to hit die in close combat, a bosspole and stikkbombz along with his special Gitripper, a x2,AP2, rending energy claw. USR are green horde, ere we go, furious charge, feel no pain and can call a Waagh. His warlor trait is "roaring tyran" which lets him and all friendly ork units in 12" reroll failed morale or pinning tests.
Judging by the language issues, this seems to be a cut and paste reply from some other source, so its not as reliable as the guy actually having seen it
Right I have the box set sat in front of me.
The rules for Krom are correct.
What I am worried about though is that the grey hunters don't have BP, BG and CCW as standard! By Russ I hope this isn't the case when the codex comes out!
Yeah, Sagas were an inspired idea for the Wolf Codex. Changing them to something you roll randomly cinematically just sounds like a bad way to forge a narrative.
Honestly, with Space Wolves being my last army that hasn't seen a recent update, I was sort of hoping they'd be put on the back burner for awhile. Both because my wallet is hurting enough already, and because frankly I've been super unimpressed by the updates to the rest of my armies sans Imperia-... Astra Milisomethingorother.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Yeah, Sagas were an inspired idea for the Wolf Codex. Changing them to something you roll randomly cinematically just sounds like a bad way to forge a narrative.
Somewhat agreed. I love Sagas but we'll see how they handle it. Being able to buy or choose specific warlord trait would be very cool.
SPECULATION
"Space Wolf Detachment: Up to 4HQs, Each Independent etc can choose one Warlord Trait from the SW list and use it. Although you must choose one character to be a warlord, each IC can still benefit from their Warlord Trait."
Trade that for the Reroll Warlord and ObSec.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Yeah, Sagas were an inspired idea for the Wolf Codex. Changing them to something you roll randomly cinematically just sounds like a bad way to forge a narrative.
Somewhat agreed. I love Sagas but we'll see how they handle it. Being able to buy or choose specific warlord trait would be very cool.
SPECULATION
"Space Wolf Detachment: Up to 4HQs, Each Independent etc can choose one Warlord Trait from the SW list and use it. Although you must choose one character to be a warlord, each IC can still benefit from their Warlord Trait."
Trade that for the Reroll Warlord and ObSec.
Yea I hope sagas aren't relegated to a random chart, I hate to say it, but it sounds so. At least special characters will have them set but it might suck if they only work on the actual warlord. However, its possible they took certain saga traits like saga of the bear for example and made it into an artifact, that and the iron wolf one wouldn't make much sense on a warlord chart but the others would all fit.
Also holy crap is broms axe awesome. I am guessing again that this will be the new frost blades profile and again will become a relic.
No matter what I am excited, but it is a nervous feeling since SW are SO unconventional as I feel that leaves them wide open for unnecessary changes.
Red Corsair wrote: Also holy crap is broms axe awesome. I am guessing again that this will be the new frost blades profile and again will become a relic.
What's cool about it? It's just a MC Frost Axe (+2S, AP2, Unwieldy).
Red Corsair wrote: Also holy crap is broms axe awesome. I am guessing again that this will be the new frost blades profile and again will become a relic.
What's cool about it? It's just a MC Frost Axe (+2S, AP2, Unwieldy).
Bah missed the unwieldy part I have been using an ap3 sword for a while and although its funny beating terminators with it "the hard way" imagining a laughing viking, it would have been nice top strike first and drop em quick.
Well, they didn't post that it was unwieldy, but the 'axe' part of it kinda makes me assume that. If it isn't than he might not be horrible. The low save still hurts though.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Yeah, Sagas were an inspired idea for the Wolf Codex. Changing them to something you roll randomly cinematically just sounds like a bad way to forge a narrative.
Or simply "forging a narrative" if you're from GW...
Sagas being random would be massively annoying and stupid, especially in linked games or army fluff.
Once, Wolf Lord Olaf Engir was a Warrior Born, hackinghis way through the enemy ranks to where the fighting was thickest, never shirking a challenge or resorting to underhand tactics.
This week, Olaf will be mostly Outflanking...
And we better not lose BP/BG/CCW either. Make it a 1ppm paid upgrade a la Characadons or CSM, but leave the option in.
I suppose there's nothing there which precludes the possibility of it being a sort of new Chapter Approved, it isn't explicitly stated that it is solely a fluff thing.
So, SW might be one week away and we really dont know anything about it. But then again, two weeks ago no one had a clue about the storm claw box.
All we really have is some speculation that thousand sons will get a proper beating in the next dwarf.
If they pit the new wolfes against thousand sons and get a fair fight, im worried aboit the new dex.
If they however display some way for wolfes to counter an all tzeench summoning list, Im more intrigued.
Edit: by the way, the next part of sanctus reach, hour of the wolf, might be wolves against thousand sons. So the teaser might well be a hint of a campaign book rather than a new codex, right?
GH 125p
5x PA with a BP Frag and Krak
Hengist with Power Axe
1x PP/CS 1x PG 2x BG
BC 110
5x PA with frag and Krak
Egil with BP/PF 1x PP/CS 3x BP/CS
I know what you mean about Uber grit, I still hope we haven't lost it. Head strong wasn't really a problem because you could always get around it.
Like in the new ork codex all units come as dataslates, so it should be no problem using him as HQ. Maybe you can even "build" your own Krom with the current SW codex, but I don't have it to make sure. He costs the same as a Ironclad Dread his stats are 6/5/4/4/3/5/4/10, 3+. He is quipped with a Boltpistol,Frag and Krak grenads and the belt of russ (4++). also he has a wyrmtalon, his +2,AP2 mastercrafted axe. USR: ATSKNF,counterattack,furious charge,acute senses, stubborn. His warlord trait is (translated) "Saga of the born warrior": He has to make challenges and accept them whenever possible but can reroll all to hit rolls if he fights in a challenge.
The rules for Krom are covered in the other post, so I'll give you those for Grukk: 5pts cheaper than Krom, 5/2/5/5/3/4/4/9,4+. He has a (excuse me if I don't properly translate the ork weapons, I don't know all their english names) combigun with bazooka, a squig that lets him reroll 1 to hit die in close combat, a bosspole and stikkbombz along with his special Gitripper, a x2,AP2, rending energy claw. USR are green horde, ere we go, furious charge, feel no pain and can call a Waagh. His warlor trait is "roaring tyran" which lets him and all friendly ork units in 12" reroll failed morale or pinning tests.
Judging by the language issues, this seems to be a cut and paste reply from some other source, so its not as reliable as the guy actually having seen it
Right I have the box set sat in front of me.
The rules for Krom are correct.
What I am worried about though is that the grey hunters don't have BP, BG and CCW as standard! By Russ I hope this isn't the case when the codex comes out!
Assuming that special weapons have stayed at standard prices, it would appear that GH are now 16pts, but have lost the free Boltgun/Chainsword as well (hopefully they're +1pt for the option at least). Hmm... we'll see what other changes are in store, but 16pts for Grey Hunters sounds fair enough (although +1pt for a bolter or chainsword would be very welcome).
Blood Claws are 14pts. Honestly I could have seen them getting another point shaved off if they haven't changed them in any other ways.
Can't be certain about the Wolf Guard's costs, too many variables in their case to make a proper estimation. However, the squad averages 46pts each... and considering the loadouts, it looks like Space Wolf Termies might actually be competitively priced now! Hooray, no more worries about 700pts+ of useless!
It will depend on how they reprice special weapons, but assuming they go up (as they should), I dont see Grey Hunters being worth 16ppm without bolter/bp/ccw. If special weapon prices dont change (and again, they should), then 16ppm is fine.
It is likely that the not having to pay for the second one will be getting cut out and Grey Hunters will sadly become just another tactical squad. Only difference being that they get two mid range weapons instead of one mid and one heavy. Which by the way is one of the dumbest things in the world in my opinion about tacticals having the heavy weapon. I could never see a point when my tacticals would ever be sitting on their butts long enough to use anything, but a heavy flamer. Pretty solidly a waste of mobility the way all the vanilla marines do it.
Edit: With stormclaw coming out, I'm probably going to start some wolves. I'm actually quite looking forward to it. I'm TOTALLY going to paint up a Leman Russ Exterminator with a Space Wolf tank commander though. Has to happen.
Combat squads are a thing though more often than not 1 missle launcher or lascannon is not such a huge thing when you have dev squads. Also combat squading does have its advantages though also major weaknesses that include less durability of the individual units and giving up more points in a kill point game. I haven't really ever been a fan of them.
Edit: With stormclaw coming out, I'm probably going to start some wolves. I'm actually quite looking forward to it. I'm TOTALLY going to paint up a Leman Russ Exterminator with a Space Wolf tank commander though. Has to happen.
fedorarogue wrote: It is likely that the not having to pay for the second one will be getting cut out and Grey Hunters will sadly become just another tactical squad. Only difference being that they get two mid range weapons instead of one mid and one heavy. Which by the way is one of the dumbest things in the world in my opinion about tacticals having the heavy weapon. I could never see a point when my tacticals would ever be sitting on their butts long enough to use anything, but a heavy flamer. Pretty solidly a waste of mobility the way all the vanilla marines do it.
And people say it's a bad thing when Space Wolves told Guillmon to frell off with his Codex Idiotes!
GH 125p
5x PA with a BP Frag and Krak
Hengist with Power Axe
1x PP/CS 1x PG 2x BG
BC 110
5x PA with frag and Krak
Egil with BP/PF 1x PP/CS 3x BP/CS
I know what you mean about Uber grit, I still hope we haven't lost it. Head strong wasn't really a problem because you could always get around it.
Like in the new ork codex all units come as dataslates, so it should be no problem using him as HQ. Maybe you can even "build" your own Krom with the current SW codex, but I don't have it to make sure. He costs the same as a Ironclad Dread his stats are 6/5/4/4/3/5/4/10, 3+. He is quipped with a Boltpistol,Frag and Krak grenads and the belt of russ (4++). also he has a wyrmtalon, his +2,AP2 mastercrafted axe. USR: ATSKNF,counterattack,furious charge,acute senses, stubborn. His warlord trait is (translated) "Saga of the born warrior": He has to make challenges and accept them whenever possible but can reroll all to hit rolls if he fights in a challenge.
The rules for Krom are covered in the other post, so I'll give you those for Grukk: 5pts cheaper than Krom, 5/2/5/5/3/4/4/9,4+. He has a (excuse me if I don't properly translate the ork weapons, I don't know all their english names) combigun with bazooka, a squig that lets him reroll 1 to hit die in close combat, a bosspole and stikkbombz along with his special Gitripper, a x2,AP2, rending energy claw. USR are green horde, ere we go, furious charge, feel no pain and can call a Waagh. His warlor trait is "roaring tyran" which lets him and all friendly ork units in 12" reroll failed morale or pinning tests.
Judging by the language issues, this seems to be a cut and paste reply from some other source, so its not as reliable as the guy actually having seen it
Right I have the box set sat in front of me.
The rules for Krom are correct.
What I am worried about though is that the grey hunters don't have BP, BG and CCW as standard! By Russ I hope this isn't the case when the codex comes out!
Assuming that special weapons have stayed at standard prices, it would appear that GH are now 16pts, but have lost the free Boltgun/Chainsword as well (hopefully they're +1pt for the option at least). Hmm... we'll see what other changes are in store, but 16pts for Grey Hunters sounds fair enough (although +1pt for a bolter or chainsword would be very welcome).
Blood Claws are 14pts. Honestly I could have seen them getting another point shaved off if they haven't changed them in any other ways.
Can't be certain about the Wolf Guard's costs, too many variables in their case to make a proper estimation. However, the squad averages 46pts each... and considering the loadouts, it looks like Space Wolf Termies might actually be competitively priced now! Hooray, no more worries about 700pts+ of useless!
GHs/BCs have a sergeant type character now with an additional attack. Asssuming those will cost +10 points like for vanillas, this sheds a totally different light on the PPM costs. Someone on warseer mentioned all GHs have BP/CCW, but only those without special equipment have bolters.
GH 125p
5x PA with a BP Frag and Krak
Hengist with Power Axe
1x PP/CS 1x PG 2x BG
BC 110
5x PA with frag and Krak
Egil with BP/PF 1x PP/CS 3x BP/CS
I know what you mean about Uber grit, I still hope we haven't lost it. Head strong wasn't really a problem because you could always get around it.
Like in the new ork codex all units come as dataslates, so it should be no problem using him as HQ. Maybe you can even "build" your own Krom with the current SW codex, but I don't have it to make sure. He costs the same as a Ironclad Dread his stats are 6/5/4/4/3/5/4/10, 3+. He is quipped with a Boltpistol,Frag and Krak grenads and the belt of russ (4++). also he has a wyrmtalon, his +2,AP2 mastercrafted axe. USR: ATSKNF,counterattack,furious charge,acute senses, stubborn. His warlord trait is (translated) "Saga of the born warrior": He has to make challenges and accept them whenever possible but can reroll all to hit rolls if he fights in a challenge.
The rules for Krom are covered in the other post, so I'll give you those for Grukk: 5pts cheaper than Krom, 5/2/5/5/3/4/4/9,4+. He has a (excuse me if I don't properly translate the ork weapons, I don't know all their english names) combigun with bazooka, a squig that lets him reroll 1 to hit die in close combat, a bosspole and stikkbombz along with his special Gitripper, a x2,AP2, rending energy claw. USR are green horde, ere we go, furious charge, feel no pain and can call a Waagh. His warlor trait is "roaring tyran" which lets him and all friendly ork units in 12" reroll failed morale or pinning tests.
Judging by the language issues, this seems to be a cut and paste reply from some other source, so its not as reliable as the guy actually having seen it
Right I have the box set sat in front of me.
The rules for Krom are correct.
What I am worried about though is that the grey hunters don't have BP, BG and CCW as standard! By Russ I hope this isn't the case when the codex comes out!
Assuming that special weapons have stayed at standard prices, it would appear that GH are now 16pts, but have lost the free Boltgun/Chainsword as well (hopefully they're +1pt for the option at least). Hmm... we'll see what other changes are in store, but 16pts for Grey Hunters sounds fair enough (although +1pt for a bolter or chainsword would be very welcome).
Blood Claws are 14pts. Honestly I could have seen them getting another point shaved off if they haven't changed them in any other ways.
Can't be certain about the Wolf Guard's costs, too many variables in their case to make a proper estimation. However, the squad averages 46pts each... and considering the loadouts, it looks like Space Wolf Termies might actually be competitively priced now! Hooray, no more worries about 700pts+ of useless!
GHs/BCs have a sergeant type character now with an additional attack. Asssuming those will cost +10 points like for vanillas, this sheds a totally different light on the PPM costs. Someone on warseer mentioned all GHs have BP/CCW, but only those without special equipment have bolters.
I missed something, where are we getting these newest "facts" from?
I took some time staring at the unboxing video, here are my findings on the new SW.
So there is a video of some unboxing of stormclaw [1] . In the video, the guy flips through the pages a bit, this shows us the points, upgrades and special rules on the units.
Here is what I gathered from it all.
It seems that SW now have standard Sgt upgrades. I am assuming this is 10pt, like other space marine chapters. Even wolf guard seem to have this, though the Sgt upgrade has nothing aside from (character) different from normal WG.
* Grey hunters seem to remain at the same point cost. They have the same special rules. Their wargear however I cannot really tell. It seems like they still have the same loadout. All come with CC wep and BP, one also has a bolt gun, so they may all have the bolter and just replaced it with special equipment. Seems like they dont have the CSM style "1pt bolter", as the unit is not a strange number and only 1 shows to have a bolter.
* Blood claws again, basing info on the 10pt sgt upgrade, blood claws are now 3pt cheaper. Lost the crazy leadership test or no shooting and gained RAGE!!!
* Wolf Guard with the loadout used in the scenario are 15pt less than wolf guard used in the current box. Combine that with the Sgt upgrade and we are looking at 5pt less per model, most likely taken out of the TDA cost. Seems to put us on par with SMTDA for cost.
* Wolf Lords Dramatic cost decrease, it is hard to compare to SM dudes as orbital bombardment and all, plus wargear differences. I can say that a Wolf lord with frost axe and belt of russ is currently 20pt more than this dude. This guy has furious charge and a bonus weapon skill to top him off. This also does not include the saga, as they have drastically changed it seems.
* All units in the box have ATSKNF, Counter attack and Acute senses (really on acute senses? Maybe we get some more outflank possibilities..)
* Frost axes and swords remain unchanged in profile.
* TDA for SW can now deepstrike, as the wargear section states so.
That is all I could gather, it might all be right, it could all be a horrible ruse from GW. Either or, I like the way it is heading. Blood claws might become usable! Considering that 15 of them is possibly only 180pt and will put out 60 attacks, that ins't all too shabby. Especially if you can prescience them! I wonder if the jump/bike variants will be more than 3pt off.
Don't have a rulebook on hand, can anyone give me a brief head's up on what the Rage special rule is? Blood claws are starting to sound very much many interesting. And hopefully the Headstrong rule is gone. Fingers crossed they can get up to BS/WS 4. I still don't understand how they can justify making them the level they did.
I'm not sure but it almost sounds like gwharsh41 is talking about the Grey Hunters literally only coming with one bolter, not that there's only the one. I really do enjoy being able to rapid fire and then get that extra attack in CC. I like when my friends shoot me that small "I hate you for this" glare
Bit gutted if the Sagas get changed but I'm sure I'll get over it with some of these other goodies like deepstriking Wolf Guard Termis
Lol, if they do SW vs. Thousand Sons you know it's gonna be that idiot's "Brotherhood of Dust" army led by Ahriman.. Apparently that's GW's idea of a Thousand Sons army.
It's a Chaos Marine army with a couple of Thousand Sons squads, led by a Thousand Son Sorcerer. But let's not start on what is and what isn't a Legion army.
If I knew someone into Orks, I'd totally pick up the new boxed set.. That frost axe is great.
Hm, I don't think you're being obtuse at all, pretre. but 50 Night Lords and Red Corsairs themed guys doesn't seem very "TS Army". I agree HBMC, I wasn't trying to start that argument so I'll back off.
Brometheus wrote: If I knew someone into Orks, I'd totally pick up the new boxed set.. That frost axe is great.
Pick it up anyways and sell the rest on Swap shop for $50.
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H.B.M.C. wrote: It's a Chaos Marine army with a couple of Thousand Sons squads, led by a Thousand Son Sorcerer. But let's not start on what is and what isn't a Legion army.
I think I will. I'd have a lot of fun painting that SW character and keepin' the mini rulebook.
In the past whenever I purchased a paper-backed codex or rulebook, I've always taken it to Office Max or whatever to cut-and-bind it with a cover and backing. Extends the life greatly and I recommend it
I got a few extra Orks to go with the new box. And when I say "a few" I mean two Mek Mobz, three extra Manz, two boxes of Flash Gitz and the plastic Shokk Attack Gun and Painboy. Hopefully this release is a success for GW and they do further campaigns/campaign boxes.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I got a few extra Orks to go with the new box. And when I say "a few" I mean two Mek Mobz, three extra Manz, two boxes of Flash Gitz and the plastic Shokk Attack Gun and Painboy. Hopefully this release is a success for GW and they do further campaigns/campaign boxes.
Space Wolf Rumors - July 2014 via Voice of the Chaos Gods on Faeit 212 new space Wolves Codex content:
Sagas They are now Warlord Traits like other armies with the difference that you can choose them without to roll dices
HQ Units Like 3rd Edition; One HQ per 750p
Logan Grimnar Lord of War, may take Two Warlord Traits, make Wolf Guard Packs to troops
Ragnar Blackmane When all Units in the detachment take Drop Pods as dedicated Transport, Ragnar will be free. Your Army may only take Unites with an Drop Pod option.
Canis Wolfborn No longer in the Codex
Harald Deathwolf New Character, replace the generic Wolf Lord on Thunderwolf, make Thunderwolf Cavalry to Troops
Bjorn the Fell-Handed Now a Lord of War, becomes "it will not die". When Bjorn is destroyed every Space Wolves Unit within 12" becomes furious charge, fearless and hate the unit, charakter or vehicle that destroyed him
Wolf Guard Pack Leaders are now entries in the Units like Squad Leaders in other Armies. Still no teleport for Terminators
Grey Hunters Close Combat Weapons are now a option that replace the Bolter, 5p cheaper
Blood Claws 3p cheaper
Long Fangs Can't take Rhinos as dedicaded Transports
Automatically Appended Next Post: By the way, I think he totally made this up. How many 'Makes things troops' characters are there in new codexes?
Sagas They are now Warlord Traits like other armies with the difference that you can choose them without to roll dices
Fair enough.
HQ Units Like 3rd Edition; One HQ per 750p
Seems very much a departure from the current system, I'd expect a different FOC with more HQ slots rather than this.
Ragnar Blackmane When all Units in the detachment take Drop Pods as dedicated Transport, Ragnar will be free. Your Army may only take Unites with an Drop Pod option.
What. The. Hell. A free 250 point HQ for taking Pods? No way.
Canis Wolfborn No longer in the Codex
Surprising seeing that he has a model, and a recent-ish one at that.
Harald Deathwolf New Character, replace the generic Wolf Lord on Thunderwolf, make Thunderwolf Cavalry to Troops
Fair enough, so long as normal Lords can take TW as well.
Grey Hunters Close Combat Weapons are now a option that replace the Bolter, 5p cheaper
Don't like the sound of that bit. The plethora of weapons was what makes GH unique and so versatile. Make it an upgrade, but let there be a way to take all 3.
Sagas
They are now Warlord Traits like other armies with the difference that you can choose them without to roll dices
Fair enough.
HQ Units
Like 3rd Edition; One HQ per 750p
Seems very much a departure from the current system, I'd expect a different FOC with more HQ slots rather than this.
Ragnar Blackmane
When all Units in the detachment take Drop Pods as dedicated Transport, Ragnar will be free. Your Army may only take Unites with an Drop Pod option.
What. The. Hell. A free 250 point HQ for taking Pods? No way.
Canis Wolfborn
No longer in the Codex
Surprising seeing that he has a model, and a recent-ish one at that.
Harald Deathwolf
New Character, replace the generic Wolf Lord on Thunderwolf, make Thunderwolf Cavalry to Troops
Fair enough, so long as normal Lords can take TW as well.
Grey Hunters
Close Combat Weapons are now a option that replace the Bolter, 5p cheaper
Don't like the sound of that bit. The plethora of weapons was what makes GH unique and so versatile. Make it an upgrade, but let there be a way to take all 3.
Sounds like nonsense to me.
I have to agree with you on most points...
Oh, and GH 5points cheaper ? IIRC, they were already cheap as hell !!!
So absurd making all the leaders Lords of War.. Instead of attempting to make escalation rules balanced or fun they basically force you to use them IF you want to play with your favorite special characters that have been around for 15+ years...
Sagas
They are now Warlord Traits like other armies with the difference that you can choose them without to roll dices
That seems...a bit silly. They just get to choose warlord traits?
HQ Units
Like 3rd Edition; One HQ per 750p
Hrm, have trouble jiving with this, that would be some major retrograde action that GW has spent a decade getting rid of.
Logan Grimnar
Lord of War, may take Two Warlord Traits, make Wolf Guard Packs to troops
Believable, but doesn't really seem like what Lords of War should be.
Ragnar Blackmane
When all Units in the detachment take Drop Pods as dedicated Transport, Ragnar will be free. Your Army may only take Unites with an Drop Pod option.
Again, GW has been actively removing abilities like this since 4th edition, would be a major retrograde action, and *really* bad game design if true.
Canis Wolfborn
No longer in the Codex
He has a model, a relatively new and shiny model. Would be very odd to see him removed.
Harald Deathwolf
New Character, replace the generic Wolf Lord on Thunderwolf, make Thunderwolf Cavalry to Troops
This sounds absurd.
Bjorn the Fell-Handed
Now a Lord of War, becomes "it will not die". When Bjorn is destroyed every Space Wolves Unit within 12" becomes furious charge, fearless and hate the unit, charakter or vehicle that destroyed him
Again...seems inappropriate for a LoW spot, though so did Ghaz.
Wolf Guard
Pack Leaders are now entries in the Units like Squad Leaders in other Armies.
Hooray!
Grey Hunters
Close Combat Weapons are now a option that replace the Bolter, 5p cheaper
I'm assuming 5p cheaper for the unit? If so, that's probably a fair change.
Blood Claws
3p cheaper
For the unit or per model? If it's per model, that's absurdly cheap for T4 3+svATSKNF infantry.
Long Fangs
Can't take Rhinos as dedicaded Transports
Seems like a pointless change, nobody took Rhino's for them in the first place.
Automatically Appended Next Post: By the way, I think he totally made this up. How many 'Makes things troops' characters are there in new codexes?
It would be nice to have that little WG character in each unit for free, wouldn't it? It's not overpowered of course, and it removes the clunky mechanic of divvying out your WG to different units.. That's just an extra paragraph that wasn't necessary. Just make 'em sergeants and have a standalone WG unit of vets, I say. There's your combi-meltas in drop pods, AND you've got a nice 2 attack character with that powerfist in a unit of GH or something.
I do hope that Grey Hunters don't get any major changes. They work well as a troops choice and fit all the fluff that they have (not the GW seems to be staying with some of the long time fluff but hey). I just don't want to see them basically becoming a vanilla space marines list. Oh and +1ppm for CC for GH would be fine
Grey Hunters
Close Combat Weapons are now a option that replace the Bolter, 5p cheaper
I hope that's not true. The flexibility of Grey Hunters is what makes them so cool.
pretre wrote: Logan Grimnar
Lord of War
Bjorn the Fell-Handed
Now a Lord of War
Bjorn maybe makes sense (especially now that we have the precedent of Gazukull), but Logan? In a slot normally reserved for Titans and Superheavies? That's weird... are they going to make Marneus Calgar or Mephistion into Lords of War next?
pretre wrote: Logan Grimnar
Lord of War
Bjorn the Fell-Handed
Now a Lord of War
Bjorn maybe makes sense (especially now that we have the precedent of Gazukull), but Logan? In a slot normally reserved for Titans and Superheavies? That's weird... are they going to make Marneus Calgar or Mephistion into Lords of War next?
Almost certainly. By the time the codex cycle comes back around, Calgar, Mephiston, Swarmy, Vect, Eldrad, Logan, Abbadon, Imhotek and maybe Celestine will be in that LOW slot.
I can see Canis going away if Harald shows up...tada! Harald model(aka Canis)...should have done that from the beginning.
These rumors seem a longshot though.
I will say, as a collector of drop pods(including the overly nerfed lucius)..I will be repainting my shoulder pads yellow in the name of Ragnar if his rumor is true.
Yea I think that's the new approach for those folks. I get the reasoning, they want to make these epic characters seem larger then they are by throwing them in with titans. Problem is, when I imagine a chaos titan I figure Abadon owns it and is in the vanguard near it. With this approach it is either him OR the titan, while lucius and Kharne get to have their titans and eat it too
Do the Wolves gain access to all the C:SM items they lack? Normally I'd immediately say no as it is a big part of what diferentiates them.
However this will be the first meq codex of the edition which seeks to let you field anything you own. Will the desire to expand the sales of those items trump the desire to keep each faction unique?
Bulldogging wrote: I can see Canis going away if Harald shows up...tada! Harald model(aka Canis)...should have done that from the beginning.
These rumors seem a longshot though.
I will say, as a collector of drop pods(including the overly nerfed lucius)..I will be repainting my shoulder pads yellow in the name of Ragnar if his rumor is true.
The saddest part is even if this is true he will take an HQ slot but worse yet he'll have to come out a pod. Every one knows Ragnar is at his best in a crusader full of similar tempered blokes.
Bulldogging wrote: I can see Canis going away if Harald shows up...tada! Harald model(aka Canis)...should have done that from the beginning.
These rumors seem a longshot though.
I will say, as a collector of drop pods(including the overly nerfed lucius)..I will be repainting my shoulder pads yellow in the name of Ragnar if his rumor is true.
The saddest part is even if this is true he will take an HQ slot but worse yet he'll have to come out a pod. Every one knows Ragnar is at his best in a crusader full of similar tempered blokes.
Except the fluff. If they find a way to make Ragnar good at drop-pod assault, I'd be happy.
Bulldogging wrote: I can see Canis going away if Harald shows up...tada! Harald model(aka Canis)...should have done that from the beginning.
These rumors seem a longshot though.
I will say, as a collector of drop pods(including the overly nerfed lucius)..I will be repainting my shoulder pads yellow in the name of Ragnar if his rumor is true.
The saddest part is even if this is true he will take an HQ slot but worse yet he'll have to come out a pod. Every one knows Ragnar is at his best in a crusader full of similar tempered blokes.
Except the fluff. If they find a way to make Ragnar good at drop-pod assault, I'd be happy.
Oh definitely, I should have said I meant in game play. Maybe we will get a vanguard pod with blind missiles for the launcher.... Pure wishlisting of course.
pretre wrote: Logan Grimnar
Lord of War
Bjorn the Fell-Handed
Now a Lord of War
Bjorn maybe makes sense (especially now that we have the precedent of Gazukull), but Logan? In a slot normally reserved for Titans and Superheavies? That's weird... are they going to make Marneus Calgar or Mephistion into Lords of War next?
Almost certainly. By the time the codex cycle comes back around, Calgar, Mephiston, Swarmy, Vect, Eldrad, Logan, Abbadon, Imhotek and maybe Celestine will be in that LOW slot.
pretre wrote: Logan Grimnar
Lord of War
Bjorn the Fell-Handed
Now a Lord of War
Bjorn maybe makes sense (especially now that we have the precedent of Gazukull), but Logan? In a slot normally reserved for Titans and Superheavies? That's weird... are they going to make Marneus Calgar or Mephistion into Lords of War next?
Almost certainly. By the time the codex cycle comes back around, Calgar, Mephiston, Swarmy, Vect, Eldrad, Logan, Abbadon, Imhotek and maybe Celestine will be in that LOW slot.
Which is, of course, utter stupidity.
Don't forget about Aun'Va
Azrael too.
I'm not liking these Lords of War changes, especially with the lack of beefing them up like we saw with Gaz. Tournaments that are banning LoW now need to rethink it as standard HQ choices are being added to that spot.
pretre wrote: Logan Grimnar Lord of War Bjorn the Fell-Handed Now a Lord of War
Bjorn maybe makes sense (especially now that we have the precedent of Gazukull), but Logan? In a slot normally reserved for Titans and Superheavies? That's weird... are they going to make Marneus Calgar or Mephistion into Lords of War next?
Almost certainly. By the time the codex cycle comes back around, Calgar, Mephiston, Swarmy, Vect, Eldrad, Logan, Abbadon, Imhotek and maybe Celestine will be in that LOW slot.
Which is, of course, utter stupidity.
Don't forget about Aun'Va
But Aun'Va is so easy to forget. Calgar may be the greatest tactician since Gulliman, Eldrad the greatest Farseer the Eldar have seen, Swarmlord is thousands of years of evolution made into a weapon... Aun'Va has a floating chair and a funny hat.
Azreal I'll concede, though, the guy is a badass with an AWESOME hat.
pretre wrote: Logan Grimnar
Lord of War
Bjorn the Fell-Handed
Now a Lord of War
Bjorn maybe makes sense (especially now that we have the precedent of Gazukull), but Logan? In a slot normally reserved for Titans and Superheavies? That's weird... are they going to make Marneus Calgar or Mephistion into Lords of War next?
Almost certainly. By the time the codex cycle comes back around, Calgar, Mephiston, Swarmy, Vect, Eldrad, Logan, Abbadon, Imhotek and maybe Celestine will be in that LOW slot.
Which is, of course, utter stupidity.
Don't forget about Aun'Va
But Aun'Va is so easy to forget. Calgar may be the greatest tactician since Gulliman, Eldrad the greatest Farseer the Eldar have seen, Swarmlord is thousands of years of evolution made into a weapon... Aun'Va has a floating chair and a funny hat.
Azreal I'll concede, though, the guy is a badass with an AWESOME hat.
I'm not liking these Lords of War changes, especially with the lack of beefing them up like we saw with Gaz. Tournaments that are banning LoW now need to rethink it as standard HQ choices are being added to that spot.
Not really - as any named HQ was by opponents permission for a long time.
Now they are basically saying you can't use them unless they are a LOW choice.
It is basically swinging the other way, but understand GW isn't saying you can't use them - it's the TO's.
Of course, FTN wise Ghaz can't be in every ork list at the tourney....
I can't think of anything that would make people hate you more than plopping down your 1850 point army and then explaining that it's actually 2100 points but the other HQ guy is free so it's cool.
Yes lets make Bjorn a LoW, I mean its not like 3 hp is pretty gak. 5++ is going to bounce hits all day. Its not like you can one shot him, with a 2 out of 3 chance.
This LoWbs better turn out to be like the Monstrous Creature hype that never reared its ugly head, After Tau/Eldar.
Turn Bjorn into a 4+ HP Contemptor with Lazannon/Plasma Cannon, Heavy Flamer and Cyclone Missile with Skyfire if stood still.
Logan is a Chapter Master.
Hell going by Ork Codex the end times are here even Mork and Gork said so, so where the hell is Leman Russ, its the Wolf Time so heel you lazy bastard.
Thorgrim Bloodcrow wrote: I can't think of anything that would make people hate you more than plopping down your 1850 point army and then explaining that it's actually 2100 points but the other HQ guy is free so it's cool.
I took some time staring at the unboxing video, here are my findings on the new SW.
So there is a video of some unboxing of stormclaw [1] . In the video, the guy flips through the pages a bit, this shows us the points, upgrades and special rules on the units.
Here is what I gathered from it all.
It seems that SW now have standard Sgt upgrades. I am assuming this is 10pt, like other space marine chapters. Even wolf guard seem to have this, though the Sgt upgrade has nothing aside from (character) different from normal WG.
* Grey hunters seem to remain at the same point cost. They have the same special rules. Their wargear however I cannot really tell. It seems like they still have the same loadout. All come with CC wep and BP, one also has a bolt gun, so they may all have the bolter and just replaced it with special equipment. Seems like they dont have the CSM style "1pt bolter", as the unit is not a strange number and only 1 shows to have a bolter.
* Blood claws again, basing info on the 10pt sgt upgrade, blood claws are now 3pt cheaper. Lost the crazy leadership test or no shooting and gained RAGE!!!
* Wolf Guard with the loadout used in the scenario are 15pt less than wolf guard used in the current box. Combine that with the Sgt upgrade and we are looking at 5pt less per model, most likely taken out of the TDA cost. Seems to put us on par with SMTDA for cost.
* Wolf Lords Dramatic cost decrease, it is hard to compare to SM dudes as orbital bombardment and all, plus wargear differences. I can say that a Wolf lord with frost axe and belt of russ is currently 20pt more than this dude. This guy has furious charge and a bonus weapon skill to top him off. This also does not include the saga, as they have drastically changed it seems.
* All units in the box have ATSKNF, Counter attack and Acute senses (really on acute senses? Maybe we get some more outflank possibilities..)
* Frost axes and swords remain unchanged in profile.
* TDA for SW can now deepstrike, as the wargear section states so.
That is all I could gather, it might all be right, it could all be a horrible ruse from GW. Either or, I like the way it is heading. Blood claws might become usable! Considering that 15 of them is possibly only 180pt and will put out 60 attacks, that ins't all too shabby. Especially if you can prescience them! I wonder if the jump/bike variants will be more than 3pt off.
Does this mean SWTEQ will actually be useful? Cause they are my 2nd favorite of the current Termie models released (After GK).
pretre wrote: By the way, I think he totally made this up. How many 'Makes things troops' characters are there in new codexes?
Definitely, pretty much everything there sounds like utter trash.
Thorgrim Bloodcrow wrote: I can't think of anything that would make people hate you more than plopping down your 1850 point army and then explaining that it's actually 2100 points but the other HQ guy is free so it's cool.
Oh c'mon, Ragnar has to be almost 100pts overcosted...
Thorgrim Bloodcrow wrote: I can't think of anything that would make people hate you more than plopping down your 1850 point army and then explaining that it's actually 2100 points but the other HQ guy is free so it's cool.
There is precedent for it. Remember the current BA codex gives a huge discount for Razorbacks if you give them to assault squads...
Thorgrim Bloodcrow wrote: I can't think of anything that would make people hate you more than plopping down your 1850 point army and then explaining that it's actually 2100 points but the other HQ guy is free so it's cool.
There is precedent for it. Remember the current BA codex gives a huge discount for Razorbacks if you give them to assault squads...
That's still not free though, they have to lose their jump packs for that to happen.
Not that we need to talk about it anyway because the rumour is obviously crap.
streamdragon wrote:I could see the SQUAD dropping 5 points (so 1ppm) to start. Especially if the "losing bolters but can trade their ccw for one" rumors are true.
I hope this isn't true. I don't care if their points get changed to more closely match Codex Marines as long as they get to keep the Bolter/BP/CCW combo.
kb_lock wrote:Wait wasn't this supposed to be blood angels?
That was the rumour for a bit but not anymore. I think I may have heard they were next or next after next? Don't quote me on it.
Pure speculation, as always, but with named characters being cut, and some moving to lords of war slot, it would make sense for GW to release a "supplement: heroes and villans" or simply a lords of war supplement, adding some crazy universal rules for the epic named characters of 40k.
Or perhaps its just me trying to make sense of Gazzys foc slot, hoping for the future to fix it.
The back of the Sanctus reach box has a blurb on it saying to for more Sanctus reach product. Just thinking there might be more campaign boxes in future.
Wrong- Ragnar Blackmane is over 20yrs old. Logan Grimnar only came out in 5th.
Not to mention they've stated in interviews in the past that they keep some of the older models because they feel they are iconic for the range they are part of and help inspire some of the newer sculpts for the army.
Ragnar, Ulrik
Azrael, Ezekiel
Dante, Tycho, Corbulo
Eldrad, The Phoenix Lords
Abaddon, Kharn, Ahriman, Fabius Bile
- You can see their influence in the newer sculpts.
Some sculpts get updated...but crying against the age of a model when it still holds up rather well compared to some of the newer sculpts that followed...well, that just seems silly.
You may cry out against your Ragnar Blackmane...
But you never had to suffer the Gary Morley Possessed.
I recieved some infos again (same source as last time), that we will see these products quite soon (I assume in August). If this is already common knowledge, feel free to delete or close!
Anyway, these items should appear soon:
Codex Space Wolves
Datacards Space Wolves
Companies of Fenris (this is a painting guide, as far as my source knows)
Little Bird - Over at warseer
Before you see the codex you will see something else new under the sun for Space Wolves. Think in terms of the most glaring current gap in the Space Wolves lineup.
Before you see the codex you will see something else new under the sun for Space Wolves. Think in terms of the most glaring current gap in the Space Wolves lineup.
Just incase people haven't seen these.
So a flier then? What else are SW lacking in their lineup?
After reading all these pages I could gather very little information about space wolfs sadly! But I got enough to make it worth the read
If SW are indeed the next army to be updated, do you reckon I should but quite a few of the Grey Hunters box sets due to fear of them being Dire Avengerd? Because I've been debating starting a SW army for a while and this seems like a good time to start Thaaaanks
Before you see the codex you will see something else new under the sun for Space Wolves. Think in terms of the most glaring current gap in the Space Wolves lineup.
Just incase people haven't seen these.
So a flier then? What else are SW lacking in their lineup?
Given the other Marine books have Marines inside other types of armour, the wolves will get a wolf riding a wolf.
Before you see the codex you will see something else new under the sun for Space Wolves. Think in terms of the most glaring current gap in the Space Wolves lineup.
Just incase people haven't seen these.
So a flier then? What else are SW lacking in their lineup?
Yes, it would be a flyer, obviously. I assume this would be like our "Gorka/Morka-naut" type unit. Hopefully it doesn't suck!
Is it bad that I kind of don't care if Space Wolves get a flyer or not? I'd be just as happy getting some skyfire/flakk missiles and some other kind of new toy. Fingers are still permanently crossed in hopes that they become Codex: Vlka Fenryka. And I'm still hoping that these so called "Rune Warriors" are some kind of new anti-psyker shield unit. I'm actually not overly fussed about using psykers anyway. It'd be cool to go against armies that rely on psykers and just nope my way across the field to hit them in the face.
Thorgrim Bloodcrow wrote: Is it bad that I kind of don't care if Space Wolves get a flyer or not? I'd be just as happy getting some skyfire/flakk missiles and some other kind of new toy. Fingers are still permanently crossed in hopes that they become Codex: Vlka Fenryka. And I'm still hoping that these so called "Rune Warriors" are some kind of new anti-psyker shield unit. I'm actually not overly fussed about using psykers anyway. It'd be cool to go against armies that rely on psykers and just nope my way across the field to hit them in the face.
The glaring gap sure sounds like a flyer.
Still the teaser for hour of the wolf has a page with ragnar artwork and a page with headline "the deeds of ragnar blackmane".
Makes me wonder.
There is a new Space Wolf flyer coming next week, that comes with two options. Space Wolves are here!
Please remember that this is still a rumor.
via an anonymous source in Faeit 212
It will come in 2 versions:
First - 215 points
One - assault transport with TL hell frost cannon
Two fire modes:
- s6 ap3, blast, then it forces a Str test. If the test is failed, the enemy dies
- s8 ap1 , heavy 1 - rest is the same
16 models capacity
Heavy Bolters with MMelta or Skyhammer Option
Second: 220 points
6 models capacity
Hell frost cannon (the same as above)
Storm Strike missile
Both flyers have Machine Spirit and Ceramite plating.
There is a new Space Wolf flyer coming next week, that comes with two options. Space Wolves are here!
Please remember that this is still a rumor.
via an anonymous source in Faeit 212
It will come in 2 versions:
First - 215 points
One - assault transport with TL hell frost cannon
Two fire modes:
- s6 ap3, blast, then it forces a Str test. If the test is failed, the enemy dies
- s8 ap1 , heavy 1 - rest is the same
16 models capacity
Heavy Bolters with MMelta or Skyhammer Option
Second: 220 points
6 models capacity
Hell frost cannon (the same as above)
Storm Strike missile
Both flyers have Machine Spirit and Ceramite plating.
streamdragon wrote:I could see the SQUAD dropping 5 points (so 1ppm) to start. Especially if the "losing bolters but can trade their ccw for one" rumors are true.
I hope this isn't true. I don't care if their points get changed to more closely match Codex Marines as long as they get to keep the Bolter/BP/CCW combo.
You and me both. But after my Tyranid and Ork armies got updated...
I guess I'm the only one that actually likes the sound of the name "Hell Frost Cannon"? At least he didn't call it the Wolf Cannon or Fang Cannon or Tail Cannon or *Normal Space Wolves Adjective* Cannon.
But wolves can't fly!! Anyways the "gap" could mean anti-air because wolves do not have this as of yet either. My hopes is for a cool flyer...not that dark angel weird flyer thing that was fail.
Space Wolves getting a Flyer would be so mind-numbingly disappointing to me. Just give them the damn Stormraven/Talon and call it a day, on that end.
If they had to get some big dumb new unit, I'd advocate a Monstrous Creature. Not a giant wolf, but maybe something that they capture on Fenris and then harness for warfare, like a giant kraken-esque thing, or something.
Thorgrim Bloodcrow wrote: I guess I'm the only one that actually likes the sound of the name "Hell Frost Cannon"? At least he didn't call it the Wolf Cannon or Fang Cannon or Tail Cannon or *Normal Space Wolves Adjective* Cannon.
It's very norse, which is cool. Although, I'd like it better if it was Helfrost Cannon. (One L)
BlaxicanX wrote: Space Wolves getting a Flyer would be so mind-numbingly disappointing to me. Just give them the damn Stormraven/Talon and call it a day, on that end.
If they had to get some big dumb new unit, I'd advocate a Monstrous Creature. Not a giant wolf, but maybe something that they capture on Fenris and then harness for warfare, like a giant kraken-esque thing, or something.
while I don't think wolves necessarily deserve their own flyer, I hope they get one because I fething hate the Stormraven/talon.
Lets not make fun of people for creating dumb names.. GW is MORE than capable of matching if not exceeding childish names for SW stuff.
After all, they do quote Leman Russ as saying He will return during the WOLFTIME. Which is quite possibly the STUPIDEST quote by any primarch in the history of 40k.
BlaxicanX wrote: Space Wolves getting a Flyer would be so mind-numbingly disappointing to me. Just give them the damn Stormraven/Talon and call it a day, on that end.
Maybe they can actually make a new Space Marine flyer that actually looks good as currently IMO only the FW ones look cool.....but I doubt it
Kirasu wrote: After all, they do quote Leman Russ as saying He will return during the WOLFTIME. Which is quite possibly the STUPIDEST quote by any primarch in the history of 40k.
Why so if I may ask? I think this is a reference to the Völuspá. You know "Axe-time, sword-time, | shields are sundered, Wind-time, wolf-time, | ere the world fall".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%B6lusp%C3%A1
via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
The Stormfang Gunship has the look of half of a Caestus Assault Ram, and is on the cover of next week's White Dwarf. The previous rumors really list out its abilities well. It comes with a Helfrost Destructor, two twin-linked heavy bolters, two stormstrike missiles and ceramite plating, with power of the machine spirit.
Heavy bolter upgrades to skyhammer missile launcher or two twin linked multi-meltas
stormstrike missiles can be upgraded to a twin linked lascannon.
Kirasu wrote: After all, they do quote Leman Russ as saying He will return during the WOLFTIME. Which is quite possibly the STUPIDEST quote by any primarch in the history of 40k.
Why so if I may ask? I think this is a reference to the Völuspá. You know "Axe-time, sword-time, | shields are sundered, Wind-time, wolf-time, | ere the world fall".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%B6lusp%C3%A1
I think that suits Leman Russ quite good.
Because that quote is part of a codex that uses the word Wolf like 50 times for various things.. It's redundant and sounds incredibly dumb when combined with the absurdity of the Space Wolf codex naming conventions.
Id rather seen the flying wolf chariot, driven by jetpack thunderwolves, but this rumoured flyer sounds nice as long as it has transport capacity.
Sadly I cant bring myself to rely on this fait rumor, half based on another fait rumor, that conviniently pop up.
Honestly, the rumor mongers appear to be totaly lost this last month.
Kirasu wrote: Because that quote is part of a codex that uses the word Wolf like 50 times for various things.. It's redundant and sounds incredibly dumb when combined with the absurdity of the Space Wolf codex naming conventions.
Ah, I see. The repeated use of a single word can indeed spoil an otherwise good approach.
Kirasu wrote: Because that quote is part of a codex that uses the word Wolf like 50 times for various things.. It's redundant and sounds incredibly dumb when combined with the absurdity of the Space Wolf codex naming conventions.
Ah, I see. The repeated use of a single word can indeed spoil an otherwise good approach.
To be fair that quote has been around since 3rd ed at least (probably earlier) when Wolf- was generally used in cases where it made sense (eg, wolf pelt, wolf tail talisman, wolf tooth necklace, etc).
Thorgrim Bloodcrow wrote: I only just realized how perilously close, if it is in fact true, the Hell Frost Cannon could have been called the Bifrost Cannon.
Dear god, think of all the rainbow jokes that might have happened
Jefffar wrote: A thought on HellFrost, if it is there in the codex for real, could this be the Space Wolf alternative to Grav Weapons?
Ooh, *British Accent* Clever girl. I didn't even think of that but it would be pretty interesting depending on how it works out. Of course then I'd be tempted to paint a couple of Grey Hunters with some kind of "freezer burn" on their armour from back blast.
Khine wrote: via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
The Stormfang Gunship has the look of half of a Caestus Assault Ram, and is on the cover of next week's White Dwarf. The previous rumors really list out its abilities well. It comes with a Helfrost Destructor, two twin-linked heavy bolters, two stormstrike missiles and ceramite plating, with power of the machine spirit.
Heavy bolter upgrades to skyhammer missile launcher or two twin linked multi-meltas
stormstrike missiles can be upgraded to a twin linked lascannon.
I'm waiting for the full codex before I get two. See how useful they are compared to the rest. I gotta say though, the idea of 15 blood claws with rage and an Wolf Priest in one makes me tingly.
I'm waiting for the full codex before I get two. See how useful they are compared to the rest. I gotta say though, the idea of 15 blood claws with rage and an Wolf Priest in one makes me tingly.
I've already got pretty much every option for the Wolves (except for Swiftclaws basically), so even if I only use it in Apoc, I still want 2.
I don't particularly like flying transports though, so unless there's some sort of awesome special rule then I'll stick with the gunboat.
Seriously though, if that thing's real that is a Wolf-ton of AP if you go for the upgraded weapons.
Now I'm gonna sit here and pray real real hard that it's not a butt ugly model. What does it mean it has the look of "Half of a Caestus Assault Ram"? I assume it looks like one split in half? For some reason I'm imagining it like one of the fighter ships from Battlestar Galactica.
I think that the transport capabilities of the version described above are going to be limited. The Stormfang is probably more super Stormtalon rather than a troop hauler.
Thorgrim Bloodcrow wrote: Seriously though, if that thing's real that is a Wolf-ton of AP if you go for the upgraded weapons.
Now I'm gonna sit here and pray real real hard that it's not a butt ugly model. What does it mean it has the look of "Half of a Caestus Assault Ram"? I assume it looks like one split in half? For some reason I'm imagining it like one of the fighter ships from Battlestar Galactica.
Thorgrim Bloodcrow wrote: Seriously though, if that thing's real that is a Wolf-ton of AP if you go for the upgraded weapons.
Now I'm gonna sit here and pray real real hard that it's not a butt ugly model. What does it mean it has the look of "Half of a Caestus Assault Ram"? I assume it looks like one split in half? For some reason I'm imagining it like one of the fighter ships from Battlestar Galactica.
via an must remain anonymous source on Faeit 212
Your information on space wolves main units is a bit off.
Grey Hunters are not cheaper, they are still 15/model.
They come with Bolter, Bolt Pistol, grenades, ATSKNF, Counter Attack and Acute Senses.
They can have one model upgraded to a Wolf Guard, for +10 points, who gets +1Ld/attack and access to wargear. (Same as veteran sergeants, except that if not taken, there isn't a "character" in the unit the way normal sergeants are).
They can take 1 special weapon, or 2 at 10 man. They are limited only to special weapons and not heavy as per normal. They pay the same points as space marines now, not a discount and not a free one at 10.
They can also take plasma pistols at 1 per 5 in addition to special weapons.
They can swap their bolter for a chainsword at no cost, on a model-by-model basis, and it specifies that it must also be represented on the model.
Wolf banners are still in, but aren't as good and cost 15 points not 10.
Bloodclaws are 13 points per model, minimum 5 up to 20. Similar as above for upgrades. Unlike what's in stormclaw, if you upgrade a Bloodclaw to a Wolf Guard he gets +1 WS and BS (to take him to 4/4). They have rage now instead of their former +d3 attacks on the charge.
Wolf Guard terminators are now an entry, as are Wolf Guard non terminators, so no mixing and matching. No more pack leader separating of Wolf Guard to join other squads. Just upgrades in unit.
While I'm sure that a lot of people will be flipping over the loss of certain iconic character elements for space wolves, the new stuff in the book isn't just "Wolf This" "Wolf That" and they still remain sufficiently divergent from normal marines, with points costs that are now in line with them. Though I won't deny that they definitely were toned down in a lot of ways (that they weren't really overpowered in by any real means) they have been compensated for by gaining access to things like space marine AA tanks, a new flyer and some really nifty formations.
Interesting, and not good, news about the GH. No cost drop, I think is fine, they're easily worth the 1ppm over Tactical Marines. The special weapons, the same. But losing BP/Bolter/CCW I don't like. I can even accept buying it at an extra +1ppm, but not having the option would be very disappointing.
kodos wrote: No, I will not change my classic Grey Hunters with bolter and chainsword
You may not have to, just remember you won't get all three (Bolter, BP, CCW) without paying extra.
LOL at all those (mostly at Natfka) bitching about this. GH have acutes senses and counterattack. Did you really think they were going to get CHEAPER?
Worth mentioning is that Acute senses hasn't really done anything for most SW units(including Grey Hunters with some small exceptions) in 2 editions now, it's not the same as 5e in case you missed it(not an insult, some people don't know).
kodos wrote: No, I will not change my classic Grey Hunters with bolter and chainsword
You may not have to, just remember you won't get all three (Bolter, BP, CCW) without paying extra.
LOL at all those (mostly at Natfka) bitching about this. GH have acutes senses and counterattack. Did you really think they were going to get CHEAPER?
Worth mentioning is that Acute senses hasn't really done anything for most SW units(including Grey Hunters with some small exceptions) in 2 editions now, it's not the same as 5e in case you missed it(not an insult, some people don't know).
True, but counter-attack alone justifies GH being more expensive than regular SM.
kodos wrote: No, I will not change my classic Grey Hunters with bolter and chainsword
You may not have to, just remember you won't get all three (Bolter, BP, CCW) without paying extra.
LOL at all those (mostly at Natfka) bitching about this. GH have acutes senses and counterattack. Did you really think they were going to get CHEAPER?
Worth mentioning is that Acute senses hasn't really done anything for most SW units(including Grey Hunters with some small exceptions) in 2 editions now, it's not the same as 5e in case you missed it(not an insult, some people don't know).
True, but counter-attack alone justifies GH being more expensive than regular SM.
Interesting, do you consider counter attack to be worth more than FNP 6+ in an edition of shooting?
I guess if you play against a lot of Orks or Tyranids(not that even tyranids assault anymore), it could definitely be worthwhile.
I don't think GH should be cheaper than Codex tacticals, but if they lose true grit I don't think counterattack is worth more than what Codex chapters have.
I'd definitely say CA is better than a 6+ FNP, shooty edition or otherwise. It makes SW so much more dangerous from a tactical standpoint. You drop them in, and the enemy have the following choices:
1) Endure a turn of fire, charge, and take Overwatch and 3 attacks per man.
2) Endure a turn of fire, shoot them, don't charge, get shot again, get charged.
Either way the Wolves can perform well, where most units tend to specialise in one or the other. The Wolves can act or react in any situation, and the enemy is in a lose-lose situation.
kodos wrote: No, I will not change my classic Grey Hunters with bolter and chainsword
You may not have to, just remember you won't get all three (Bolter, BP, CCW) without paying extra.
LOL at all those (mostly at Natfka) bitching about this. GH have acutes senses and counterattack. Did you really think they were going to get CHEAPER?
Worth mentioning is that Acute senses hasn't really done anything for most SW units(including Grey Hunters with some small exceptions) in 2 editions now, it's not the same as 5e in case you missed it(not an insult, some people don't know).
True, but counter-attack alone justifies GH being more expensive than regular SM.
Interesting, do you consider counter attack to be worth more than FNP 6+ in an edition of shooting?
I guess if you play against a lot of Orks or Tyranids(not that even tyranids assault anymore), it could definitely be worthwhile.
That answer should be obvious, but in case it isn't and you were actually asking a serious question:
6+ anything be it FNP or a ++ save is a joke that is only good for a few laughs between you and your opponent when it actually goes off.
Counter Attack makes your troops resistant as hell. You don't have to choose between firing your weapons or making an assault for the extra attack. And yes this is "shooty edition" but guess what people still assault, especially TEQ armies and daemons.
Paradigm wrote: I'd definitely say CA is better than a 6+ FNP, shooty edition or otherwise. It makes SW so much more dangerous from a tactical standpoint. You drop them in, and the enemy have the following choices:
1) Endure a turn of fire, charge, and take Overwatch and 3 attacks per man.
2) Endure a turn of fire, shoot them, don't charge, get shot again, get charged.
Either way the Wolves can perform well, where most units tend to specialise in one or the other. The Wolves can act or react in any situation, and the enemy is in a lose-lose situation.
I thought we were speaking of rumored new GHs, without having true grit setup. I definitely agree 3 attack GHs are worth more than any other tacticals...sorry for my confusion.
I stand by 6+ FNP permanent being equal to 1 extra attack IF someone happens to assault you though.
That's whats interesting and unique about 40k compared to say PC games, people obviously play much different metas everywhere.
Oh, right, I see what you mean now. I still reckon CA is better as its still doubling your attacks when you're charged. 6+ FNP is nice when it works, but not something you can really use tactically, whereas CA works to make the unit a threat in more ways and can make the opponent think differently. CA is active, FNP is passive, and I tend to prefer active abilities from a tactical standpoint.
I think CA (useful) and Accute Senses (worthless) was about equal to Combat Squads (situationally useful) and Chapter Tactics (situationally useful).
Still, if I'm reading this right, when that 10 man grey hunter squad jumps out of their Drop Pod they'll be able to fire up to 5 plasma weapons at the target. That's pretty sweet in a basic troop choice regardless of their special rules.
If the GH rumour is true, my biggest complaint is that I'm going to have to go and change half of my flipping models and I am just dreading the prospect of doing so.
Thorgrim Bloodcrow wrote: If the GH rumour is true, my biggest complaint is that I'm going to have to go and change half of my flipping models and I am just dreading the prospect of doing so.
Why? You can buy weapons per model. Only ones you have to change are bolter and ccw... Oh nm.
kodos wrote: No, I will not change my classic Grey Hunters with bolter and chainsword
You may not have to, just remember you won't get all three (Bolter, BP, CCW) without paying extra.
LOL at all those (mostly at Natfka) bitching about this. GH have acutes senses and counterattack. Did you really think they were going to get CHEAPER?
Worth mentioning is that Acute senses hasn't really done anything for most SW units(including Grey Hunters with some small exceptions) in 2 editions now, it's not the same as 5e in case you missed it(not an insult, some people don't know).
True, but counter-attack alone justifies GH being more expensive than regular SM.
Ummm... What?! Pretty sure combat squads and CT like hit and run are much better then counter attack.
kodos wrote: No, I will not change my classic Grey Hunters with bolter and chainsword
You may not have to, just remember you won't get all three (Bolter, BP, CCW) without paying extra.
LOL at all those (mostly at Natfka) bitching about this. GH have acutes senses and counterattack. Did you really think they were going to get CHEAPER?
People will whine, GH needed a nerf and this is all-in-all as reasonable a nerfing as I could have hoped for. Hopefully I'll have the option to pay extra for a CCW though.
And I modelled almost all my GH with BP/CCW anyway since then I could run them as Blood Claws if I wanted to. Interested to see if the 2x PP rumour ends up being true.
kodos wrote: No, I will not change my classic Grey Hunters with bolter and chainsword
You may not have to, just remember you won't get all three (Bolter, BP, CCW) without paying extra.
LOL at all those (mostly at Natfka) bitching about this. GH have acutes senses and counterattack. Did you really think they were going to get CHEAPER?
People will whine, GH needed a nerf and this is all-in-all as reasonable a nerfing as I could have hoped for. Hopefully I'll have the option to pay extra for a CCW though.
And I modelled almost all my GH with BP/CCW anyway since then I could run them as Blood Claws if I wanted to. Interested to see if the 2x PP rumour ends up being true.
I have no problem paying 15ppm then +1-2 for a ccw. Not having the option will be a bit annoying however. It is already sad we will lose the bility to lead a unit with a termjinator but I am not surprised by this change. Hopefully a Mark of Wulfen is still an upgrade in there.
There was a thread similar to this one a few months ago, much booty bother was had, and I am waiting for the haters to show back up and rage and cry.
However, from the rumors I have seen from The Mexican ork, and BOLS
Sagas as chapter tactics are super fluff oriented and sound really great, they however need to have stipulations for taking instead of pick and choose.
Kavik_Whitescar wrote: There was a thread similar to this one a few months ago, much booty bother was had, and I am waiting for the haters to show back up and rage and cry.
However, from the rumors I have seen from The Mexican ork, and BOLS
Sagas as chapter tactics are super fluff oriented and sound really great, they however need to have stipulations for taking instead of pick and choose.
Posts like these don't help anything. People have a right to express themselves on the forums so long as they are on topic and polite. Calling them whiners never helps a thread though.
The supposed Stormfang Gunship sounds very odd fluffwise - I'd have expected something closer to the Land Speeder Storm, but with more guns and transport capacity, so that a unit of Space Wolves can fly into combat while singing "Ride of the Valkyries" . I suppose it's just possible the Stormfang can carry 10 marines, but surely then it wouldn't be called a gunship???
Kavik_Whitescar wrote: There was a thread similar to this one a few months ago, much booty bother was had, and I am waiting for the haters to show back up and rage and cry.
However, from the rumors I have seen from The Mexican ork, and BOLS
Sagas as chapter tactics are super fluff oriented and sound really great, they however need to have stipulations for taking instead of pick and choose.
Posts like these don't help anything. People have a right to express themselves on the forums so long as they are on topic and polite. Calling them whiners never helps a thread though.
You are correct, I am still a bit bitter. It turned into 20 pages of people with legitimate grudges against tiny plastic men and books ruining the hobby.
Lets get positive tho, What is some stuff you want to see in the new codex which according to my local GW employee drops "Hella Soon."
Clang wrote: The supposed Stormfang Gunship sounds very odd fluffwise - I'd have expected something closer to the Land Speeder Storm, but with more guns and transport capacity, so that a unit of Space Wolves can fly into combat while singing "Ride of the Valkyries" . I suppose it's just possible the Stormfang can carry 10 marines, but surely then it wouldn't be called a gunship???
Stormraven has a transport capacity and it's still called a gunship. Same with the Stormeagle.
Clang wrote: The supposed Stormfang Gunship sounds very odd fluffwise - I'd have expected something closer to the Land Speeder Storm, but with more guns and transport capacity, so that a unit of Space Wolves can fly into combat while singing "Ride of the Valkyries" . I suppose it's just possible the Stormfang can carry 10 marines, but surely then it wouldn't be called a gunship???
Stormraven has a transport capacity and it's still called a gunship. Same with the Stormeagle.
and the AC-130, I hope we get access to the Storm Raven without allies and all that jazz, it can make for a very fun play and goofy stories to be told around the game table
Well as a DA player, I'm not super excited about the fliers we got - there by not using one and thus far have been able to perform well enough.
I am still stoked about getting a Blood/Sky Claw army up and running, but we'll see how the transport options come about and what options Longfang/HS slots will have access to.
I am still stoked about getting a Blood/Sky Claw army up and running, but we'll see how the transport options come about and what options Longfang/HS slots will have access to.
I'm kinda thinking the same thing about the Blood/Sky Claws. Looks like Krom (of Stormclaw fame!) will be a pretty good HQ choice for such an army, at least from a fluff perspective. Lots of young hot-heads and a higher-than-average number of Wolf Guard to support them. Sounds good to me!
Uriels_Flame wrote: Well as a DA player, I'm not super excited about the fliers we got - there by not using one and thus far have been able to perform well enough.
I am still stoked about getting a Blood/Sky Claw army up and running, but we'll see how the transport options come about and what options Longfang/HS slots will have access to.
I would recommend using WG in jump packs for your assault marine needs, I love assault pack marines but the Skyclaws cant cut it with low BS/WSimo, I ran WG in jump packs last night, and they preformed wonderfully!
Hrm I'd like something along the lines of an Ironclad Dreadnought.
for sure! I would love to see a kit for ironclad conversions!
Thorgrim Bloodcrow wrote: Seriously though, if that thing's real that is a Wolf-ton of AP if you go for the upgraded weapons..
Damn you. Now in my head, my Space Wolves will be forever more using the word 'wolf' the way the Smurfs use 'smurf'...
If you weren't already thinking that, you haven't played enough Space Wolves
I don't know about anyone else but as much as I'd love a cool new flyer model, I'm really not overly fussed about it. I'd be just as happy with some anti-air, especially if it meant that this thing on the GH is wrong.
And I know it's disproved but I'm still a little let down that Rune Warriors isn't going to be a thing
I'd still like for Blood Claws to get a boost into usefulness. I'd definitely start fielding more of them.
