plastictrees wrote: Wait, they don't remember his name? Can't they just ask Bjorn? "Oh yeah, that's Steve Ticklefingers, he was the pack clown back in the day. No one could short sheet a wolf bunk like Steverino! Now back to my nap."
The reason they don't know his name, is because Wolves run a lucrative Berserker Dreadnought business, slapping half-dead Wulfen on an old Dread chassis', and selling them to the highest bidding Chaos Warband. Occasionally, they forget one at the back of the storage, where some novice Iron Priest stumbles across it and thinks the Dread is actually a forgotten chapter relic. Not surprisingly, the newly-relocated 'chapter hero' is given a chance to prove his valour, fronting an assault against overwhelming enemy at the next battle. Hence the Dread chassis can be salvaged again, before the Wulfen inside has a chance of having a rare lucid moment with his brothers.
TheKbob wrote: Seriously... Murderclaws. Murderlust. Biting? Forgot his name?
If lowest common denominator is insulting, how about pandering fan service? Like, that's just really, really dumb.
His points value is good compared to other dreads, but he's still an Av12 Walker plodding along. He'll either get kited or killed.
I don't get this argument yeah Murderclaw is silly...
Super Space Warriors with Chainsaw Swords are silly
Fungus Barbarian Berzerkers with ramshackle cars are silly
Space Elves and their evil cousins who absorb pain from other species to save themselves from a rapist god are silly
Anime inspired wannabe communist cow/fish people are silly
You find me the part of Warhammer 40k that's "srs buziness" and not just a mish mash of other companies lumped together to appeal to the largest fanbase.
40k is meant to appeal to the lowest common denominator in general, I say keep it going I have enough "serious" nerd hobbies I'll take a silly crazy back ground full of Murderwolfs and Bleeding Blood Angels if Doom.
Its called suspension of disbelief, the wanting to immerse in something impossible or implausible. Its what happens when you enjoy great fiction.
We can have epic battles or named heroes. Super soldiers, aliens of various origins, mysterious powers of unknown origin.its all make believe that we enjoy to various degrees. Its how it is written and perceived that makes the difference.
The tragic story of Bjorn the Fell Handed is well grounded in the War hammer 40k mythos and lends great character to the Space Wolves. A Dread named Murderfang of great rage and unknown origin, with a fluff defying sculpt, breaks the suspensionnof disbelief and is incredibly lazy. They called his weapons Murderclaws. They gave a berserker dread of unknown origin chapter relics that they named Murderclaws.
That's stupid. And if you didn't get that murder is his MO, he has murder lust.
He's a Khorne character in a wolf book. He's a 5++ away from a daemon engine. He fits the aspect of the Blood God than anything else.
People keep adding words to my statement. I never said idiots or any insult. Its your personal interpretation that I said such a thing. If I said Fisher Price makes toys for babies and you loved some of their stuff, are you mad about this? Did I call you a baby? Only if you're not mature and don't indentify yourself by your likes and dislikes as an adult.
Again, something can be created for the lowest common denomination, like Wolverine McMurderface, and you can like it, but it doesn't mean you're a blathering idiot. You just like something.I enjoy many a bad video game, does that mean I'm an idiot for having fun? Does that make the game suddenly good of everyone likes it? No.
So stop getting upset at someone's opinion on a model. If I had called it stupid and you like it, is it then me saying you're stupid? No.
Keep making passive-aggressive steal insults Kbob, great way to make friends. Maybe you should just stop posting so you don't dig yourself any deeper?
Back on topic, AV12 is kinda a downer but 135 he is dirt cheap, was expecting at least 200 points or something stupid like that. Put him in a drop pod and you have an excellent distraction unit for only 170 pts that will wreck most any unit it gets into CC with.
yeah.. gonna take more then 135 pts worth of shooting to take him out, esp since you can pod him in, get cover from the pod, AND he has IWND.
everything dies in this game, murderfang is a neat unit, with a good niche to fit in,
a minor cosmetic thing like the exposed head is a moot point given the cosmetic AWESOMENESS of the rest of the model, and the BITS BOX good ness that is all the spare bits we get in this kit now...
TheKbob wrote: Hey, great, calling GW out on their marketing is now insulting. Hooray? Thanks for being realistic.
And for every "Murderfang" they make, that's one less box of Wulven or a new Ragnar model we could get. Both are something which many wolves players have wanted.
It's an absolute joke to make a "new" Ragnar out of bits from the Space Wolves Pack.
And why do you need a box of Wulfen if they're not a unit choice?
Well that's my issue. Ragnar is the most iconic Space Wolf character there is; you shouldn't have to make a new one from the Grey Hunter box. Wulfen are also very iconic. We got Exo-frame Wolverine rules instead of Wulfen rules. I don't understand some of the logic. It is somewhat frustrating for me.
I don't get this argument yeah Murderclaw is silly...
Super Space Warriors with Chainsaw Swords are silly
Fungus Barbarian Berzerkers with ramshackle cars are silly
Space Elves and their evil cousins who absorb pain from other species to save themselves from a rapist god are silly
Anime inspired wannabe communist cow/fish people are silly
You find me the part of Warhammer 40k that's "srs buziness" and not just a mish mash of other companies lumped together to appeal to the largest fanbase.
40k is meant to appeal to the lowest common denominator in general, I say keep it going I have enough "serious" nerd hobbies I'll take a silly crazy back ground full of Murderwolfs and Bleeding Blood Angels if Doom.
You want serous go play dropzone
Those other things only sound silly because you've given them silly names. Murderfang is this thing's actual name, and that's what we're complaining about. 0/10 must try harder
Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote: Keep making passive-aggressive steal insults Kbob, great way to make friends. Maybe you should just stop posting so you don't dig yourself any deeper?
You're only insulted if you equate your self worth with plastic army men. And that's your problem, not mine. I didn't realize I had to think of someone's feelings when I critique a model. The same happens on video games with reviews quite often. Objectively identifying issues is taken as a personal slight, which isn't healthy.
I certainly hope there is room in the release for updates of core character models. One should not have to kitbash Ragnar, its not like he has novels about him or anything. Not like he's said to be inline as the next Chapter Master.
I'm just waiting for the rules. If the Grey Hunters leak is true, it'll be a sad day as it removes a lot of their flavor and efficiencies given to them because they cannot combat squad. Blood Claws getting cheaper is really needed and welcome.
plastictrees wrote: Wait, they don't remember his name? Can't they just ask Bjorn? "Oh yeah, that's Steve Ticklefingers, he was the pack clown back in the day. No one could short sheet a wolf bunk like Steverino! Now back to my nap."
They don't know his name, but they have his pic.
Has that joke been made already? I haven't read the entire thread.
Most things 40k feels silly when it is introduced as a new separate element.
Personally I think the alien nevermelting ice claws far more silly than most of the other stuff.
What they need is a series of fenrisian murder mystery books to establish the character.
Guess who dunnit!
TheKbob wrote: I certainly hope there is room in the release for updates of core character models. One should not have to kitbash Ragnar, its not like he has novels about him or anything. Not like he's said to be inline as the next Chapter Master.
Haven't they said something about not updating certain models which they consider to be 'iconic'? Not that I think the Ragnar model is great (it's not), but I'd hazard the guess that he falls into that category.
Fayric wrote: Most things 40k feels silly when it is introduced as a new separate element.
Personally I think the alien newermelting ice claws far more silly than most of the other stuff.
What they need is a series of fenrisian murder mystery books to establish the character.
Guess who dunnit!
*Dead marine on floor at start of scene*
Logan: Ragnar, did you do this?
Ragnar: No, I just dropped in!
Logan: Bjorn, did you do this?
Bjorn: I was napping.
Logan: Urlik, did you do this?
Urlik: No, Logan. I was keeping an eye on the pups.
Logan: Murderfang , did you do this?
Murderfang: No, I was just ....chillin, bub!
Gnight everyone!
(It was Lukas, because no one remembers him and he has to get the last laugh....puns!)
You know Space Wolves, more than maybe any other chapter, have a sense of humor. Calling the mysterious hero, succumbed to the curse, "Murderfang" is just the thing a Space Wolf might do while lifting a tankard to his glories after battle is done. Loosen up, you grim feths. It's a new model with new possibilities and I'll have fun running it on the board. Jeez, all we do is bitch about everything here. Damn, now I'm bitching about bitching!
easysauce wrote: yeah.. gonna take more then 135 pts worth of shooting to take him out, esp since you can pod him in, get cover from the pod, AND he has IWND.
everything dies in this game, murderfang is a neat unit, with a good niche to fit in,
a minor cosmetic thing like the exposed head is a moot point given the cosmetic AWESOMENESS of the rest of the model, and the BITS BOX good ness that is all the spare bits we get in this kit now...
Niche of slow moving, not very durable, assault unit?
Don't get me wrong, I'm going to use him, but I don't think he's good. He has the issues a lot of bad assault units have, he's slow. He can't hide behind the pod, then jump assault or something awesome back into range. He's a standard walker.
Everything dies, some things die without being efficient. But it doesn't matter, you don't have to play competitively.
Fayric wrote: Most things 40k feels silly when it is introduced as a new separate element.
Personally I think the alien newermelting ice claws far more silly than most of the other stuff.
What they need is a series of fenrisian murder mystery books to establish the character.
Guess who dunnit!
*Dead marine on floor at start of scene*
Logan: Ragnar, did you do this?
Ragnar: No, I just dropped in!
Logan: Bjorn, did you do this?
Bjorn: I was napping.
Logan: Urlik, did you do this?
Urlik: No, Logan. I was keeping an eye on the pups.
Logan: Murderfang , did you do this?
Murderfang: No, I was just ....chillin, bub!
Gnight everyone!
(It was Lukas, because no one remembers him and he has to get the last laugh....puns!)
If he's a character it's not that surprising. They have been separating things exclusive to a character from Wargear and putting it into something fluffy named for awhile.
Things like "Chapter Relics" for Dark Angels or "Remnants of Glory" for Eldar come to mind.
Azreal13 wrote: No, but once in the appropriate place is generally good. Technically, the only thing he is equipped with is a searchlight.
Technically, they have everything that's printed on their page. Each unit gets one page. There's nowhere else the Claws could possibly be than on the model whose page they're printed on.
FYI, every single datasheet in the Ork codex is like this. You're saying that Orks basically don't have any of their unique rules or wargear, because it's not spelled out for you that they have the unique rule that is printed on their page.
Well, unless it says it's included in his profile, it isn't included in his profile. But yeah, not including the claws in his wargear section is very sloppy indeed. If they're changing the format forever, and thus it's deliberate, then fair enough, we don't really have a lot to go on either way with that. Seems to be a new trend, at least.
Bull0 wrote: Well, unless it says it's included in his profile, it isn't included in his profile. But yeah, not including the claws in his wargear section is very sloppy indeed. If they're changing the format forever, and thus it's deliberate, then fair enough, we don't really have a lot to go on either way with that. Seems to be a new trend, at least.
I'm gonna put an end to this nonsense right now. I checked for you people and in Codex Orks it says in the layout explanation page in front of the army list (p52) that the model has everything printed on its page. So there, can we move on from this inane line of thinking?
Bull0 wrote: Well, unless it says it's included in his profile, it isn't included in his profile. But yeah, not including the claws in his wargear section is very sloppy indeed. If they're changing the format forever, and thus it's deliberate, then fair enough, we don't really have a lot to go on either way with that. Seems to be a new trend, at least.
I'm gonna put an end to this nonsense right now. I checked for you people and in Codex Orks it says in the layout explanation page in front of the army list (p52) that the model has everything printed on its page. So there, can we move on from this inane line of thinking?
No because that would be letting facts get in the way.
I have been using a nemesis dreadknight on foot and even though its slow it has done a lot of damage and taken a lot of fire that has won me many games.
I like muderfang and I see him filling a similar role. In general you cant afford to ignore him as there will be some aspect of your army that he can catch and at 135 points he only really needs to catch 1/2 units to be worth while.
Now if you send him in un-supported then yea, he is going to die. But if you design a list such as drop pod wolves I could see him fitting in pretty well.
Space wolf Rumors - July 2014
via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
Hey there some info about the new SW codex. Not a lot but a couple tie bits. Came from someone who works for GW New Logan grimnar model- can be on foot or in a landsled pulled by, yes a thunder wolf. He is a lord of war
New dreadnought model called murderfang has a storm shield and he has 7 attacks +D3 FALSE Murderfang/venerable/Bjorn are a plastic multi kit ALREADY TRUE
Posting rumors after the leaks have already posted and they are still half wrong.
Bull0 wrote: Well, unless it says it's included in his profile, it isn't included in his profile. But yeah, not including the claws in his wargear section is very sloppy indeed. If they're changing the format forever, and thus it's deliberate, then fair enough, we don't really have a lot to go on either way with that. Seems to be a new trend, at least.
I'm gonna put an end to this nonsense right now. I checked for you people and in Codex Orks it says in the layout explanation page in front of the army list (p52) that the model has everything printed on its page. So there, can we move on from this inane line of thinking?
But if I was a Space Wolves player (I'm not) or some other person who picked up the new shiny because I wanted to add it to my Imperial army, how would I know that explanation was in the Ork codex? Why wouldn't I assume it was the same as it has been previously, and think that I must need the codex entry in order to see how many points his various weapon combinations cost, including the Murderfang upgrade?
I'm not saying this is what I think, I'm merely pointing out yet another example of half-arsedery from the GW rules team.
plastictrees wrote: Wait, they don't remember his name? Can't they just ask Bjorn? "Oh yeah, that's Steve Ticklefingers, he was the pack clown back in the day. No one could short sheet a wolf bunk like Steverino! Now back to my nap."
They don't know his name, but they have his pic.
Has that joke been made already? I haven't read the entire thread.
NEXT we have up. Spacewolves Murderfang, Murder-FANG, MURDERFANG! Our sources say.....
Bull0 wrote: Well, unless it says it's included in his profile, it isn't included in his profile. But yeah, not including the claws in his wargear section is very sloppy indeed. If they're changing the format forever, and thus it's deliberate, then fair enough, we don't really have a lot to go on either way with that. Seems to be a new trend, at least.
I'm gonna put an end to this nonsense right now. I checked for you people and in Codex Orks it says in the layout explanation page in front of the army list (p52) that the model has everything printed on its page. So there, can we move on from this inane line of thinking?
Yeah, that's good enough for me. I haven't read that page. Thanks. Did you need to be an arse about it?
Azreal13 wrote: No, but once in the appropriate place is generally good. Technically, the only thing he is equipped with is a searchlight.
Plus, is the bonus attack included for a pair of weapons? That normally needs clarifying.
If it doesn't say it's included, then I think it's assumed(in a non dick way) it isn't included.
How about them both being Mastercrafted....does that mean he gets 1 reroll..or do you split his attacks into 2 equal batches and 1 reroll each batch?
You still just use one of the claws for abilities and rules, the other is just for extra attack.
The way they point out its two weapons make me think it may not not included in the profile. Sure he has no options, but if one arm is destroyed the profile would not include the extra attack.
So, base 4 +2 for rage, +1 for extra weapon, +d3 for rampage, is lots of murder on the assault..
Azreal13 wrote: No, but once in the appropriate place is generally good. Technically, the only thing he is equipped with is a searchlight.
Plus, is the bonus attack included for a pair of weapons? That normally needs clarifying.
If it doesn't say it's included, then I think it's assumed(in a non dick way) it isn't included.
How about them both being Mastercrafted....does that mean he gets 1 reroll..or do you split his attacks into 2 equal batches and 1 reroll each batch?
You still just use one of the claws for abilities and rules, the other is just for extra attack.
The way they point out its two weapons make me think it may not not included in the profile. Sure he has no options, but if one arm is destroyed the profile would not include the extra attack.
So, base 4 +2 for rage, +1 for extra weapon, +d3 for rampage, is lots of murder on the assault..
As someone who has stopped playing the game but still loves most everything else, this is my take.
If you love your Space Wolves you will need to get the new toys. They all just look too awesome to not have in your SW collection. They all look very iconic to this chapter and have some really good detail.
However, if you are a competitive player, I can see leaving the dreads at home as they rarely are a good take for their points / vs performance and as such I think most bandwagoneers will leave them at home. The flyer will get used, just like the chibihawk still gets used. They both have enough umph behind their points to make them good inclusions into your army.
If however, you have become disenchanted with GW due to pricing issues, I think your out of luck. I can't see the dread kit going for less than 55 and those flyers are what 85 each? Ouch.
Bulldogging wrote: I don't think it's as simple as saying give him support.
To clarify, he is going to be one of the highest target priorities because 1) He is strong in assault 2) He dies easy to shooting.
It doesn't matter if you pod him, it doesn't matter if he has some Dreadbros walking by him. He is going to be the one shot first.
You could give him a FW Drop pod, and then he has a cover save while he sits and waits for the ridiculous no assault when you DS rules to wear off. Which is what I'll be doing.
Yes it is all about target priority, this is my example:
[spoiler]Turn one 5 Pods Land
1] Murderfang
2] Venerable Dreadnaught with Storm Shield
3] 10 man Wolf Guard with lots of Combi-Weapons and a few Storm Shield
4] Grey Hunter Pack with Multiple Plasma Weapons
5] Grey Hunter Pack with Flamers
Down the field you have some TWC, more Grey Hunters and Logan with his Sled. Long Fangs with a Rune Priest. On a Landing pad is a Stormwolf filled with Blood Claws and a Wolf Priest.
In reserve are 4 more pods Filled with more Wolf Guard and Grey Hunters
The Murderfang is your 1st Priority?
Given what you describe sounds like about 3000pts, Murderfang might not be priority #1 given it consists of less than 5% of your points, but for whatever anti-tank weapons you have lying around he's high enough priority that he won't get in to combat.
That's the thing, he's not that hard to kill that he needs to be priority #1, it's not like a Wraithknight or Imperial Knight or whatever that you have to throw a ton of firepower at to bring down before he reaches combat.
There's a reason people think Dreadnoughts suck, especially close combat Dreadnoughts. They're just too easy to kill.
Yes they are easy to kill, but I have seen to many people just throw one out there and him go.
Even if I want to 5 starting pods one a 2k list if it take more than one unit to take him down that is firepower not pointed at other things. Putting the 3++ Venerable Dread and the Murderfang along with Wolf Guard Terminators in your face on Turn 1 should give me a good chance of 1/3 of your available firepower going at him.
I do this now with my Dreadnaught supported Loganwing. With the proper use of terrain [Including my own Pods] I can cut Available Firepower in half if not by a 1/3.
I am familiar with the concept of target saturation. The thing is, because we play a game to a certain number of points, target saturation isn't simply "imagine all these scary things drop podded in front of you!". At the core of target saturation is the idea that you have some models that are BOTH high threat and hard to kill, so your opponent spends an inordinate number of points trying to kill those high threat units while other not-much-lower-threat units survive. Murderfang (and assault Dreadnoughts in general) are not like that (not unless you're playing against someone who doesn't know how to play). Murderfang's threat is high because of the sheer number of attacks, but is lowered because he's slow and he's not hard to kill at all. That makes him a poor target saturation unit.
You can say "well drop pod him next to another dreadnought and then you have target saturation, even if they kill Murderfang it's taken heat off the other Dread!" Except you could have just spent the same points on another regular dreadnought with SS and been even harder to kill or spent it on another regular dreadnought with a ranged weapon and actually got some shots off before it got permanently removed from the table. Your opponent has already spent the points on the anti-tank to kill Dreadnoughts.
Target saturation works on things like many MC's because they genuinely take a decent amount of firepower to kill AND they have a high threat.
I don't play SW, but if I were to look across the table at a few dreads with storm shields and some thunderwolf cav with storm shields......I might break out the lube cuz the game will most likely be rough.
Fayric wrote: Most things 40k feels silly when it is introduced as a new separate element.
Personally I think the alien newermelting ice claws far more silly than most of the other stuff.
What they need is a series of fenrisian murder mystery books to establish the character.
Guess who dunnit!
*Dead marine on floor at start of scene*
Logan: Ragnar, did you do this?
Ragnar: No, I just dropped in!
Logan: Bjorn, did you do this?
Bjorn: I was napping.
Logan: Urlik, did you do this?
Urlik: No, Logan. I was keeping an eye on the pups.
Logan: Murderfang , did you do this?
Murderfang: No, I was just ....chillin, bub!
Gnight everyone!
(It was Lukas, because no one remembers him and he has to get the last laugh....puns!)
If someone greenstuff's Wolverine's hair and a comically big cigar on Murderfang, I think I'll be able to die a happy man.
Ive been having good luck with psyfulman dreads and they usually survive pretty well.
I can see the venerable versions of things now that there is no explode on a 6 getting a huge boost simply by being able to re-roll the few weapons that can take it out of the fight. Combined with a 3+ invul and you got something that is either going to be ignored or take a crap ton of fire.
I think a lot of it will be down to the stats on the venerables side weapon.
According to the Wolf a Guard text, it includes everything in the LF edition, plus Champions of Fenris (the supplement, early) and 6 additional prints. Limited to 500 copies.
The LF includes Companies of Fenris (not Champions...), a book about 4 companies of the Wolves. Limited to 1000 copies.
I'm trying to understand why they gave Murderfang Furious Charge, when the Murderclaws already have a Strength value and can't be modified. If they said S: User, then I could see it. So what's the benefit of giving Murderfang Furious Charge? The Rampage special rule does not take into account base size or anything else when it comes to being outnumbered. Seems kind of funny then that Murderfang will just about always have +d3 attacks every round. It will be funny the first time he is challenged though. "Monstrosity! I challenge you! Come and... oh dear Gawd! What have I... no... ahhh!" screams abruptly cut off to be replaced with the sound of Murderclaws eviscerating the challenger. Murderclaw: "RAOR!" The additional wounds carried over into the unit are people falling dead in fear, or being incidentally hit by the huge, whirling Murderclaws...
If I were a technologically advanced race going to war with a Space Marine chapter with a robot named 'Murderfang', I might be pooping in my pants a little. Let's say I was a Tau Crisis Shas'vre. I was born into the Fire Warrior caste, and studied war/fought in wars for my entire life. My actions and deeds have allowed me to rise through the ranks, and I have brought much honor to my people until I'm now piloting a XV8-B MK II Crisis Suit. It has a built in darksun filter, multispectrum targeting and scanning system, advanced salvo micro missile system, and the new GH-23 Kinetic Fusion Blaster weapon system. I have fought the forces of the Imperium before, and have not been impressed except by their barbarity on the battlefield. Now, on the eve of battle, I'm handed intelligence on a new threat: A hulking, primitive robot machine piloted by the (mostly) dead carcass of a fallen warrior named 'MURDERFANG'. Its primary armament is listed as two claw like weapons made of a cold, almost icelike metal that never melts called "MURDERCLAWS". Appended is the last video recordings of Murderfang charging a unit of Fire Warriors, belching fire from a secondary weapon and both Murderclaws whirling before blood and screams are heard in the video. A Crisis suit lands nearby, and unloads both it's Kinetic Fusion Blasters at point blank range into Murderfang. An unearthly howl of rage comes from Murderfang as he simply... guts the crisis suit with the still dripping, bloody Murderclaws just recently used on the Fire Warriors. It's brutal, and savage on a level never seen before, and it's hard to believe that Humans are considered a technology advanced race. Who, or what kind of race would create such a...thing for war?
Just for this visual alone will I have to purchase Murderfang. Though it's absurd with the use of 'Murder <noun>' everywhere, the psychological impact on my opponent would be worth it. "And now Murderfang charges. He has two Murderclaws and Murderlust, meaning 4 base attacks, +1 for two claws, +2 for rampage, and oh! You out number me so I'll get +d3 more attacks... with rerolls..."
Tamwulf wrote: I'm trying to understand why they gave Murderfang Furious Charge, when the Murderclaws already have a Strength value and can't be modified.
The Companies of Fenris book sounds really interesting as I was just planning to build my new SW army around Sven Bloodhowl because I wanted to paint my marines with a reddish orange color to go with the dark grey blue. I also love his fascination with fire...can't wait to see how he actually look...maybe he'll even be a special character in the codex...
now I wonder if that book will be available separately because I'm not paying 220$ CAN and I doubt anyone will scan this anytime soon
Man, it's like each limited edition is less edition and more limited!
This one doesn't even seem to come with the objective coins that the Ork one came with. Also note the "as yet unreleased" Companies of Fenris that is included. That can be read as "book which will be released the next week, without a ridiculous mark up for some tiny art prints".
I don't begrudge anyone buying this (I buy plastic toys that I have to put together myself--and I pay more for it--so who am I to judge) but I could honestly believe that there is some guy at GW who secretly hates the idea of limited edition books but who has to put each release together to keep his job, so he keeps releasing each one at a higher price with less content, but they just keep selling!
If they had released something really nice, like the Wraight limited edition that came with Arjac's shield, I can understand it, but this stuff seems to be "new cover which is less interesting than the normal cover, supplement, supplement we will sell next week, tiny prints that no one will frame, and a box". I am a HUGE ork fan, so I almost bought the ork one (until I realized I liked the normal covers better), but even then, I felt like a nob for thinking about buying it.
Don't be confused there's two new books in two different editions:
1. the supplement detailing Grimmar's Great Company is called Champion of Fenris and obviously ill be released as a later date
2. the other is called Company of Fenris ans is a pure fluff book detailing four Great Company's uniforms and background and it might only be included in this limited edition
Tamwulf wrote: I'm trying to understand why they gave Murderfang Furious Charge, when the Murderclaws already have a Strength value and can't be modified. If they said S: User, then I could see it. So what's the benefit of giving Murderfang Furious Charge? The Rampage special rule does not take into account base size or anything else when it comes to being outnumbered. Seems kind of funny then that Murderfang will just about always have +d3 attacks every round. It will be funny the first time he is challenged though. "Monstrosity! I challenge you! Come and... oh dear Gawd! What have I... no... ahhh!" screams abruptly cut off to be replaced with the sound of Murderclaws eviscerating the challenger. Murderclaw: "RAOR!" The additional wounds carried over into the unit are people falling dead in fear, or being incidentally hit by the huge, whirling Murderclaws...
If I were a technologically advanced race going to war with a Space Marine chapter with a robot named 'Murderfang', I might be pooping in my pants a little. Let's say I was a Tau Crisis Shas'vre. I was born into the Fire Warrior caste, and studied war/fought in wars for my entire life. My actions and deeds have allowed me to rise through the ranks, and I have brought much honor to my people until I'm now piloting a XV8-B MK II Crisis Suit. It has a built in darksun filter, multispectrum targeting and scanning system, advanced salvo micro missile system, and the new GH-23 Kinetic Fusion Blaster weapon system. I have fought the forces of the Imperium before, and have not been impressed except by their barbarity on the battlefield. Now, on the eve of battle, I'm handed intelligence on a new threat: A hulking, primitive robot machine piloted by the (mostly) dead carcass of a fallen warrior named 'MURDERFANG'. Its primary armament is listed as two claw like weapons made of a cold, almost icelike metal that never melts called "MURDERCLAWS". Appended is the last video recordings of Murderfang charging a unit of Fire Warriors, belching fire from a secondary weapon and both Murderclaws whirling before blood and screams are heard in the video. A Crisis suit lands nearby, and unloads both it's Kinetic Fusion Blasters at point blank range into Murderfang. An unearthly howl of rage comes from Murderfang as he simply... guts the crisis suit with the still dripping, bloody Murderclaws just recently used on the Fire Warriors. It's brutal, and savage on a level never seen before, and it's hard to believe that Humans are considered a technology advanced race. Who, or what kind of race would create such a...thing for war?
Just for this visual alone will I have to purchase Murderfang. Though it's absurd with the use of 'Murder <noun>' everywhere, the psychological impact on my opponent would be worth it. "And now Murderfang charges. He has two Murderclaws and Murderlust, meaning 4 base attacks, +1 for two claws, +2 for rampage, and oh! You out number me so I'll get +d3 more attacks... with rerolls..."
Broadside Bob: What's the blue box screaming about? Broadside Ted: I dunno... I think he's coming for us, though. B.B.: Hmm, it sounds like he's saying something over and over again, though. B.T.: I think I hear it? What's with the weird claws on his primitive arms? B.B.: Is he saying "MurderMurderMurderMurder?" *bolter fire peppers the two* B.T.: Awe, that's cute... look, he's trying to get to us so fast! B.B.: Yea, he got wedged on the piece of rough grass for a bit, shame. Hey, wanna end the stupid murder chant and grab some kroot wings? B.T.: *Lifts up Missile Batteries* Dibs on the blue things. *FWOOSH**FWOOSH**FWOOSH**FWOOSH**FWOOSH**FWOOSH**FWOOSH**FWOOSH* *BOOM**BOOM**BOOM**BOOM**BOOM**BOOM**BOOM**BOOM*
Sorry, thought I'd forge the actual narrative that would happen to Mr. Wolverine McStabby-IceClaws. Replace Bob and Ted with Garry and Harry, two Wave Serpent Pilots, or Jill and Sue, two Exorcist players, or... you get the point. This scenario plays out with any Av12 dread. It's either easily offed or simply "backing up" works.
(I might add that your story is cool and that's how Dreads SHOULD be. That I how I saw them in Dawn of War and Dawn of War 2. I was gutted, as a newbie payer, when told I don't want them as they are just a fancy paperweight to hold your list down after the first turn in games. That was in 5E. Two editions later, still awful save the Av13 variants from BA, SM, and the FW patterns.)
Fayric wrote: Most things 40k feels silly when it is introduced as a new separate element.
Personally I think the alien newermelting ice claws far more silly than most of the other stuff.
What they need is a series of fenrisian murder mystery books to establish the character.
Guess who dunnit!
*Dead marine on floor at start of scene*
Logan: Ragnar, did you do this?
Ragnar: No, I just dropped in!
Logan: Bjorn, did you do this?
Bjorn: I was napping.
Logan: Urlik, did you do this?
Urlik: No, Logan. I was keeping an eye on the pups.
Logan: Murderfang , did you do this?
Murderfang: No, I was just ....chillin, bub!
Gnight everyone!
(It was Lukas, because no one remembers him and he has to get the last laugh....puns!)
If someone greenstuff's Wolverine's hair and a comically big cigar on Murderfang, I think I'll be able to die a happy man.
I so want one now. Paint him Yellow with Black tiger stripes along the side and blue highlights, and the cigar.
Broadside Bob: What's the blue box screaming about?
Broadside Ted: I dunno... I think he's coming for us, though.
B.B.: Hmm, it sounds like he's saying something over and over again, though.
B.T.: I think I hear it? What's with the weird claws on his primitive arms?
B.B.: Is he saying "MurderMurderMurderMurder?"
*bolter fire peppers the two*
B.T.: Awe, that's cute... look, he's trying to get to us so fast!
B.B.: Yea, he got wedged on the piece of rough grass for a bit, shame. Hey, wanna end the stupid murder chant and grab some kroot wings?
B.T.: *Lifts up Missile Batteries* Dibs on the blue things.
*FWOOSH**FWOOSH**FWOOSH**FWOOSH**FWOOSH**FWOOSH**FWOOSH**FWOOSH*
*BOOM**BOOM**BOOM**BOOM**BOOM**BOOM**BOOM**BOOM*
Sorry, thought I'd forge the actual narrative that would happen to Mr. Wolverine McStabby-IceClaws.
Yeah, the narrative that will be forged against most armies is:
Random soldier 1: "Holy crap, they're falling from the skies!" *drop pod falls to ground* Random soldier 2: "Why is that blue box they dropped standing there flailing at us?" Random soldier 1: "Oh it's one of those dread-thingoes, oh, it's moving slowly toward us" Random soldier 2: "Don't worry, Fred over there is equipped with a *insert name of anti tank weapon"
*BOOOM*
Random soldier 1: "Thank goodness for Fred, it would have been really worrying if that flailing blue box stumbled close enough to hurt us" Random soldier 2: "Yep, good ol' Fred with his *insert name of anti tank weapon*"
Whumbachumba wrote: So, the Wolf Guard is essentially the same amount of stuff that the Warboss edition got, but $85 more? GW is all over the place with their pricing...
Not quite. Warboss edition is equivalent to the Long Fang version. Two books, 6 art prints, 6 coins.
The WG edition adds 6 more prints and an additional book (three total books). At a $70 upcharge.
In truth, I'll assume the books are $50 each. That is either $100 or $150. So you pay $80 extra for the LF packaging, 6 prints, and 6 coins. Or $100 extra for that, plus 6 more prints.
Whumbachumba wrote: So, the Wolf Guard is essentially the same amount of stuff that the Warboss edition got, but $85 more? GW is all over the place with their pricing...
Not quite. Warboss edition is equivalent to the Long Fang version. Two books, 6 art prints, 6 coins.
The WG edition adds 6 more prints and an additional book (three total books). At a $70 upcharge.
In truth, I'll assume the books are $50 each. That is either $100 or $150. So you pay $80 extra for the LF packaging, 6 prints, and 6 coins. Or $100 extra for that, plus 6 more prints.
You're right. I keep seeing the case for Warboss and thinking it's a book.
Hopefully the coins find their way online because I don't need all the extra books and like others have said I prefer the look of the regular codex but I can't say no to Space Wolves coins
Whumbachumba wrote: So, the Wolf Guard is essentially the same amount of stuff that the Warboss edition got, but $85 more? GW is all over the place with their pricing...
Not quite. Warboss edition is equivalent to the Long Fang version. Two books, 6 art prints, 6 coins.
The WG edition adds 6 more prints and an additional book (three total books). At a $70 upcharge.
In truth, I'll assume the books are $50 each. That is either $100 or $150. So you pay $80 extra for the LF packaging, 6 prints, and 6 coins. Or $100 extra for that, plus 6 more prints.
I have a feeling that "The Great Companies" might be like the Imperial Knight Companion book...which would easily be worth another $50 or so.
If someone greenstuff's Wolverine's hair and a comically big cigar on Murderfang, I think I'll be able to die a happy man.
I so want one now. Paint him Yellow with Black tiger stripes along the side and blue highlights, and the cigar.
Have you seen my work? I will gladly do this.
Looks...
Spoiler:
Build Wolverine McStabby-IceClaws so he can Murder it !!
Not sure if compliment or to be insulted! I meant the Ginyu Dreadknights. I think I'll only buy GW models to make silly things out them. GrimDark™ Serious.
I keep reading "six prints" as "six pints." If middle aged men have replaced little timmy as the target demographic, including a six pack of a decent beer would be an awesome way to push the Space Wolves limited editions.
As cool as the LE packages are, I'm not dumb enough to pay GW's prices for them...
Oh, and just to chime in, Murderfang's fluff has to be the worst I've seen since Ward stopped writing Codices for 40k at the end of 5th ed... or did he? (DUN DUN DUN)
Nevelon wrote: I keep reading "six prints" as "six pints." If middle aged men have replaced little timmy as the target demographic, including a six pack of a decent beer would be an awesome way to push the Space Wolves limited editions.
that's the week deal offer at my surf shop...
when someone rents a board for a week, they receive a free bar of wax, and an 8-pack of Pacifico...
the customers love it!!!
as a longtime fan of Space Wolves, i can't say there is anything here that gets me excited, model-wise...
Logan had better be even more awesome than his current version...
if the wolf-sled is cool looking, even better, but i was not sold on the High Elf eagle-boat, so we'll see...
Bjorn is not bad, but i already own the old metal one...
i might paint up the storm shield and axe version of this plastic kit, but right now nothing is making me reach for my money...
the transport looks alright, but not enough to collect it for it's own sake...
oh well, at least i still have the awesome Termie kit to mess with...
i am looking forward to the Great Companies book, though...
Nevelon wrote: I keep reading "six prints" as "six pints." If middle aged men have replaced little timmy as the target demographic, including a six pack of a decent beer would be an awesome way to push the Space Wolves limited editions.
It would fit the fluff of Space Wolves and let's be honest, if they started marketing 40k brand beer like Fenrisian Ale or Lion El'Lager, who among us wouldn't buy that?
I don’t think Close Combat Dreadnaughts NEVER get into combat. I think it is difficult not impossible. Both of the examples above given to not taking a few things, like bad rolls, sucky rolls on Armor Penetration, Rolling a 1 on the Damage Table. I know this is not 5th Edition, but it is not 6th either, you still need to roll a 7+ to cause and explosion [And with Venerable Status that becomes harder] or you have to Glance them to death.
MurderFang has some advantages than most Close Combat Dreads, “It Will Not Die”. So you don’t kill him, he could be regaining Hull Points every turn.
As I stated earlier if you do thing right only a few units will get the shot at the 3 units that just came in Drop Pods.
Most of us who field them also are not fielding them for their combat ability. We are fielding them because they look fun and the “Cool Factor”. If we can get MurderFang into combat and kill off 5-7models once every 3 or 4 games we are happy little Wolf-Campers.
Tamwulf wrote: I'm trying to understand why they gave Murderfang Furious Charge, when the Murderclaws already have a Strength value and can't be modified.
1) fluff
2) Weapon destroyed results
No i think you are wrong on that, i have the new white dwarf in front of me and it reads like this:
"Add in his high Weapon Skill, the fact that the Murderclaws are Master-crafted and they have Shred, and you'll be hitting and wounding with around seven Strength 8 AP2 Attacks a turn against most foes."
Tamwulf wrote: I'm trying to understand why they gave Murderfang Furious Charge, when the Murderclaws already have a Strength value and can't be modified.
1) fluff
2) Weapon destroyed results
No i think you are wrong on that, i have the new white dwarf in front of me and it reads like this:
Add in his high Weapon Skill, the fact that the Murderclaws are Master-crafted and they have Shred, and you'll be hitting and wounding with around seven Strength 8 AP2 Attacks a turn against most foes.
Yeah, because White Dwarf ALWAYS gets rules right when they are writing about new models and/or codices.
"As a celebrated warrior of the Chapter, the Venerable Dreadnought can choose his wargear from the Chapter's extensive armory. This multi-part plastic kit includes many of those weapons, from the apocalyptically cold helfrost cannon to the great wolf claw - a larger, more powerful version of the lightning claws carried into battle by Wolf Guard Terminators. Other Dreadnought pilots eschew the use of ranged weaponry entirely, preferring to carry a Fenrisian great axe and Blizzard Shield, two of the Chapter's most revered artefacts and deadly weapons in the gauntlets of such esteemed warriors."
Automatically Appended Next Post: Just found something else about the new detachment:
The Wolves Unleashed Detachment
"This is a different way of fielding your Space Wolves - you must have 2 HQ choices (but you can have up to 6) and 2 troops. This homes in on the heroic nature of the Space Wolves - almost every unit in the army could have a character leading it. Not only that, troops led by Independent Characters hunt as a pack, and gain the Outflank ability on a 4+."
Not sure if compliment or to be insulted! I meant the Ginyu Dreadknights. I think I'll only buy GW models to make silly things out them. GrimDark™ Serious.
It was meant as a compliment. That model qulaifies as the most disturbing 40K I have ever seen.
Wow the writijg m just keeps getting worse..blizard shield? Apocalypticly cold helfrost cannon? Imperium doesn't invent new tech except they do all the time now. Such a fluff killer that each chapter of space marines uses unique wargear..who the hell makes it or designed it? Variations...sure but new stuff? Thats just blatantly against imperium fluff.
Kirasu wrote: Imperium doesn't invent new tech except they do all the time now.
Except that they always did. They just do so slowly.
And most of the 'new' tech that has been introduced over the years isn't actually 'new', but is instead retconned 'old' tech. Once it's introduced into the fluff, it's always been there.
Space Wolf player must replace half of his words with murder or some other Beowulfesque fantasy era vocabulary while Murderfang is in play.
Opposing player gains d6VP for murdering Murderfang, thus beating him at his own game. However, the Space wolf player also gains the d6VPs rolled since a murder happened regardless."
Dreadnought Axe and Shield:
Fenrisian Greataxe S=userx2 AP2 - Mastercrafted
Blizzard Shield S=user AP2 - Grants a 3+ Invulnerable save against all attacks originating from the Dreadnought's front side
Wolf Scouts Special Rules (the significant ones):
Infiltrate
Move Through Cover
Scout
So no 'Behind Enemy Lines' anymore
Wolf Guard upgrades for Blood Claws and Grey Hunters can indeed have TDA
Wolf Guard Terminator Heavy Weapons are 1 per 5 full models as before (clarification)
Wolf Guard Terminators have also overcome their distrust of teleporters, they can now Deep Strike.
Power Armor Wolf Guard Ranged Weapon options:
Stormbolter 5 points
Combi-bolter 10 points
Plasma Pistol 15 points
That wolfguard in terminator armor squad leaders actually sounds pretty cool, sure I could come up with some interesting stuff with that(I know they could before, but now I can do it with an allied detachment easily)
Leth wrote: That wolfguard in terminator armor squad leaders actually sounds pretty cool, sure I could come up with some interesting stuff with that(I know they could before, but now I can do it with an allied detachment easily)
Iron Hands players are foaming at the mouth right now.
Dreadnought Axe and Shield:
Fenrisian Greataxe S=userx2 AP2 - Mastercrafted
Blizzard Shield S=user AP2 - Grants a 3+ Invulnerable save against all attacks originating from the Dreadnought's front side
That's really awesome, will definitely field one of them
a dread with a shield + hellfrost cannon could probably be really powerful too
Dreadnought Axe and Shield:
Fenrisian Greataxe S=userx2 AP2 - Mastercrafted
Blizzard Shield S=user AP2 - Grants a 3+ Invulnerable save against all attacks originating from the Dreadnought's front side
That's really awesome, will definitely field one of them
a dread with a shield + hellfrost cannon could probably be really powerful too
Unless the axe and shield are a combo...
I like how the shield has a weapon profile, so can be destroyed... (And is ap2)
The 3++ is as much as we could hope for with the Dread.
And, indeed, if you can somehow manage to slap a helfrost cannon and the shield onto it, well... that'll be one hell of a rifle-nought.
My eternal cynicism says that you'll have to exchange a Dread's ranged weapons to take the axe and shield as a pair though, like the Wraithknight's option to swap both Wraithcannons for the sword and shield.
Unless it's a relic, like the flavour text implied. Or costs 30+ pts. Makes me wonder how much a helfrost will cost on a dread, seeing as it doubles between a weaker plasma cannon and a lance.
BlaxicanX wrote:The 3++ is as much as we could hope for with the Dread.
And, indeed, if you can somehow manage to slap a helfrost cannon and the shield onto it, well... that'll be one hell of a rifle-nought.
My eternal cynicism says that you'll have to exchange a Dread's ranged weapons to take the axe and shield as a pair though, like the Wraithknight's option to swap both Wraithcannons for the sword and shield.
Yeah, and since it apparently is Venerable only, you'd end up with a really expensive Dreadnought with 3 attacks(assuming the shield grants one more from being a weapon)
That's not really that scary.
Crazyterran wrote:Unless it's a relic, like the flavour text implied. Or costs 30+ pts. Makes me wonder how much a helfrost will cost on a dread, seeing as it doubles between a weaker plasma cannon and a lance.
Wrong Helfrost, the one listed in the blurb about the plastic box set says Helfrost Cannon, which is much weaker and is worse than a Multimelta in most ways.
Helfrost cannon
dispersed - R24" S6 AP3 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Blast
focussed - R24" S8 AP1 Heavy 1, Helfrost
Helfrost destructor
dispersed - R24" S6 AP3 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Large Blast
focussed - R24" S8 AP1 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Lance
The quote I'm going off of
" This multi-part plastic kit includes many of those weapons, from the apocalyptically cold helfrost cannon to the great wolf claw"
I think the Helfrost is like the melta for characters as opposed to vehicles considering it's an instant removal if the model hit by it fails its strength test.
BlaxicanX wrote:The 3++ is as much as we could hope for with the Dread.
And, indeed, if you can somehow manage to slap a helfrost cannon and the shield onto it, well... that'll be one hell of a rifle-nought.
My eternal cynicism says that you'll have to exchange a Dread's ranged weapons to take the axe and shield as a pair though, like the Wraithknight's option to swap both Wraithcannons for the sword and shield.
Yeah, and since it apparently is Venerable only, you'd end up with a really expensive Dreadnought with 3 attacks(assuming the shield grants one more from being a weapon)
That's not really that scary.
Crazyterran wrote:Unless it's a relic, like the flavour text implied. Or costs 30+ pts. Makes me wonder how much a helfrost will cost on a dread, seeing as it doubles between a weaker plasma cannon and a lance.
Wrong Helfrost, the one listed in the blurb about the plastic box set says Helfrost Cannon, which is much weaker and is worse than a Multimelta in most ways.
Helfrost cannon
dispersed - R24" S6 AP3 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Blast
focussed - R24" S8 AP1 Heavy 1, Helfrost
Helfrost destructor
dispersed - R24" S6 AP3 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Large Blast
focussed - R24" S8 AP1 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Lance
Lame. Guess it's only good for the mediocre plasma cannon part. Still probably going to be 15 or so points. Only 24 inch range though... Idk how'll they'll price the helfrost rule, which is meh considering you'll likely spend his shots on tac marines or bikes.
Now... Helfrost vs eternal warrior, go!
I was thinking helfrost would be good vs characters, but most are s6 or have a 2+ save. (Against the blast) or a good invuln vs focused. But Los, short range, and lack of ap2 on. The blast... Meh
Thorgrim Bloodcrow wrote: I think the Helfrost is like the melta for characters as opposed to vehicles considering it's an instant removal if the model hit by it fails its strength test.
It would mainly be useful for single targets in that regard, since characters will LOS in a unit.
Using a Carnifex as an example(poor nids). Assuming it is twin-linked(it better be to be worth it IMO), it will take on average about 8 shots to insta kill a Carnifex. And that's not even factoring in how often that will just be removing the last wound and killing the model anyway. The switch from I to S check(jaws to helfrost) has really been in the favor of MC. So not very reliable, but funny when it happens.
If they had it made it the helfrost destructor that would have been great. If only.
VS eternal Warrior is a non issue. It is not an instant death effect from the wound but from failing an strength check. Instant death being outlined as is I do not think there is any need to try and spark that argument.
Kavik_Whitescar wrote: VS eternal Warrior is a non issue. It is not an instant death effect from the wound but from failing an strength check. Instant death being outlined as is I do not think there is any need to try and spark that argument.
The helfrost canon is just a fancy missile launcher with half the range. I really don't get all that exitement for it. The S test is just a gimmick that might have an effect once in a few games.
Given how huge the destructor is on the flier, I don't think it would fit on another vehicle
The shield... it is AP2 ... It can be used as a weapon! This is why I love Space Wolves.
For the record, I like Murderfang's fluff. The idea of a name being lost but the legend living on is very SW, As for the naming, it's no worse than a lot of other things.
Paradigm wrote: The shield... it is AP2 ... It can be used as a weapon! This is why I love Space Wolves.
For the record, I like Murderfang's fluff. The idea of a name being lost but the legend living on is very SW, As for the naming, it's no worse than a lot of other things.
Also means your 3++ can be blown off by a weapon destroyed result. :/
Paradigm wrote: The shield... it is AP2 ... It can be used as a weapon! This is why I love Space Wolves.
For the record, I like Murderfang's fluff. The idea of a name being lost but the legend living on is very SW, As for the naming, it's no worse than a lot of other things.
Also means your 3++ can be blown off by a weapon destroyed result. :/
Technicalities. You can hit stuff with it until that point, which is just awesome.
WG pack leaders being able to take TDA again is my biggest concern, so pleased rumors say they can again. I really love that this release is all good if I can have my TDA troop leaders.
Paradigm wrote: The shield... it is AP2 ... It can be used as a weapon! This is why I love Space Wolves.
For the record, I like Murderfang's fluff. The idea of a name being lost but the legend living on is very SW, As for the naming, it's no worse than a lot of other things.
Also means your 3++ can be blown off by a weapon destroyed result. :/
Technicalities. You can hit stuff with it until that point, which is just awesome.
So we've gone from maybe we'll get a 3++ but unlikely to we get a 3++ that you can thump people with
Although surely this means that the dread is basically Captain America...
Paradigm wrote: The shield... it is AP2 ... It can be used as a weapon! This is why I love Space Wolves.
For the record, I like Murderfang's fluff. The idea of a name being lost but the legend living on is very SW, As for the naming, it's no worse than a lot of other things.
Also means your 3++ can be blown off by a weapon destroyed result. :/
Technicalities. You can hit stuff with it until that point, which is just awesome.
So we've gone from maybe we'll get a 3++ but unlikely to we get a 3++ that you can thump people with
Although surely this means that the dread is basically Captain America...
Sweet, first we have Wolverine-Dread, now we have Captain Dread. I'm gonna get another one with a seismic hammer and put a cape on him for DreadThor. Anyone know where I can get a shapely dread clad in skintight leather for Dread Widow?
Paradigm wrote: The shield... it is AP2 ... It can be used as a weapon! This is why I love Space Wolves.
For the record, I like Murderfang's fluff. The idea of a name being lost but the legend living on is very SW, As for the naming, it's no worse than a lot of other things.
Also means your 3++ can be blown off by a weapon destroyed result. :/
Technicalities. You can hit stuff with it until that point, which is just awesome.
So we've gone from maybe we'll get a 3++ but unlikely to we get a 3++ that you can thump people with
Although surely this means that the dread is basically Captain America...
Sweet, first we have Wolverine-Dread, now we have Captain Dread. I'm gonna get another one with a seismic hammer and put a cape on him for DreadThor. Anyone know where I can get a shapely dread clad in skintight leather for Dread Widow?
Capdread: shield and gun (hopefully)
Wolverdread: Murderfang
Starkdread: Rifleman
Hulkdread: Ironclad with 2 fists
Thordread: Ironclad with hammer
Hawkdread: Contempt or Mortis
Strangedread: Furioso Librarian
Paradigm wrote: The shield... it is AP2 ... It can be used as a weapon! This is why I love Space Wolves.
For the record, I like Murderfang's fluff. The idea of a name being lost but the legend living on is very SW, As for the naming, it's no worse than a lot of other things.
Also means your 3++ can be blown off by a weapon destroyed result. :/
Technicalities. You can hit stuff with it until that point, which is just awesome.
So we've gone from maybe we'll get a 3++ but unlikely to we get a 3++ that you can thump people with
Although surely this means that the dread is basically Captain America...
Sweet, first we have Wolverine-Dread, now we have Captain Dread. I'm gonna get another one with a seismic hammer and put a cape on him for DreadThor. Anyone know where I can get a shapely dread clad in skintight leather for Dread Widow?
Capdread: shield and gun (hopefully)
Wolverdread: Murderfang
Starkdread: Rifleman
Hulkdread: Ironclad with 2 fists
Thordread: Ironclad with hammer
Hawkdread: Contempt or Mortis
Strangedread: Furioso Librarian
Avengers Assemble!
Literally assemble, can someone get the Techpriests to reattach Hulkdread's left arm? He keeps taking it off.
Kavik_Whitescar wrote: VS eternal Warrior is a non issue. It is not an instant death effect from the wound but from failing an strength check. Instant death being outlined as is I do not think there is any need to try and spark that argument.
This, no different to Jaws and Warp Rift.
Yeah, no different, except for the fact it's completely different.
Jaws was "if model is on line, take Ini test". Helfrost is "roll to hit, roll to wound, roll save if you have one, if unsaved wound, THEN roll strength test". The chance of pulling it off is much slimmer and most things you're going to want to use it against are S5 or higher so that they only have a 1/6 chance of failing.
It's something that every now and then might make a difference, but most the time you'll kill them with regular wounds before you Helfrost them to death. Though I do think it's a bit of a stupid rule because it's one of those things that most games will do nothing and then one game will take out a Wraithknight first shot... it's one of those things that's highly luck dependent and the results swing from "not remotely significant" to "wow that's awesome".
Kavik_Whitescar wrote: VS eternal Warrior is a non issue. It is not an instant death effect from the wound but from failing an strength check. Instant death being outlined as is I do not think there is any need to try and spark that argument.
This, no different to Jaws and Warp Rift.
Yeah, no different, except for the fact it's completely different.
Jaws was "if model is on line, take Ini test". Helfrost is "roll to hit, roll to wound, roll save if you have one, if unsaved wound, THEN roll strength test". The chance of pulling it off is much slimmer and most things you're going to want to use it against are S5 or higher so that they only have a 1/6 chance of failing.
It's something that every now and then might make a difference, but most the time you'll kill them with regular wounds before you Helfrost them to death. Though I do think it's a bit of a stupid rule because it's one of those things that most games will do nothing and then one game will take out a Wraithknight first shot... it's one of those things that's highly luck dependent and the results swing from "not remotely significant" to "wow that's awesome".
Paradigm wrote:I think he meant in interaction with Eternal Warrior.
Sweet, first we have Wolverine-Dread, now we have Captain Dread. I'm gonna get another one with a seismic hammer and put a cape on him for DreadThor. Anyone know where I can get a shapely dread clad in skintight leather for Dread Widow?
Ally in a wraithlord. Shapely and elegant is a xenos trait, not imperial. Alternatively: Penitent engine.
Thorgrim Bloodcrow wrote:
Literally assemble, can someone get the Techpriests to reattach Hulkdread's left arm? He keeps taking it off.
But wait until he’s done beating people to death with his own arm before getting to work.
I thought this had been removed since 5th edition :S, do anyone have a page-number for reference?
Well considering Unwieldy was only brought into existence in 6th...
Prior to that, Power/Chainfists and Thunderhammers simply struck at Int1. But no walker were equipped with them, they all had Dreadnought Close Combat Weapons which was a Power Weapon (ignore armour saves) and doubled your strength.
Sweet, first we have Wolverine-Dread, now we have Captain Dread. I'm gonna get another one with a seismic hammer and put a cape on him for DreadThor. Anyone know where I can get a shapely dread clad in skintight leather for Dread Widow?
Ally in a wraithlord. Shapely and elegant is a xenos trait, not imperial. Alternatively: Penitent engine.
Thorgrim Bloodcrow wrote:
Literally assemble, can someone get the Techpriests to reattach Hulkdread's left arm? He keeps taking it off.
But wait until he’s done beating people to death with his own arm before getting to work.
If I had the wealth to do so, I would totally do this
Just curious, say you only got to choose one, would people rather get one of the new Dreadnoughts or a flier?
Edit: Not to bring back up the whole debate on the fliers but I was playing around with the 360 view and just noticed a couple of propulsion engines under the front end. You can just barely notice them protruding but they're there.
Something else with the Blizzard shield - Walkers are +1 Attack for every close combat weapon and with its profile I would expect it counts as a close combat weapon. So instead of losing an attack, the dread with a blizzard shield gains an attack.
I'd go with the dread any day. As much as the flier is probably more useful, the dread just looks too damn cool to pass up. Its also very versatile, what with the weapon variety and what looks to be an easy-to-swap setup. With a pin/magnet or two, you could have Bjorn one game and an axe-and-board dread the next.
I can't see the shield being to many point either. Especially if you give up your ranged weapons (though hopefully you still get one underslung arm weapon). Still super pumped for this. Plus, I want the flyer.....bad...Even if I have to do a bunch of filling in and filing to make it fit my Iron Warriors.
I just wish that GW had better information stream so that I could have saved up earlier in the summer. No I've spent too much money on other companies so GW will have to wait until maybe late October...
Just noticed most of the char. models are out of stock despite being promoted to day. Also just noticed GW is no longer promoting them as Finecast, just highly detailed resin. Maybe that means the next batch will be back to temperature stable plastics.
Hulksmash wrote: I can't see the shield being to many point either. Especially if you give up your ranged weapons (though hopefully you still get one underslung arm weapon). Still super pumped for this. Plus, I want the flyer.....bad...Even if I have to do a bunch of filling in and filing to make it fit my Iron Warriors.
I hope not... losing a DCCW or a gun shouldn't make it cost more than 10-15pts imho.
Given the position of the arms, the Axe replaces the gun (as it is shown on the right where the gun normally is) and the Shield replaces the DCCW on the left. Unless they are bought as a set.
barnowl wrote: Just noticed most of the char. models are out of stock despite being promoted to day. Also just noticed GW is no longer promoting them as Finecast, just highly detailed resin. Maybe that means the next batch will be back to temperature stable plastics.
I'd replace my arjac, canis, and nyjal in a heart beat if it's not finecrap...just to paint.
Of course you have to be able to tear at the xeno flesh with your teeth to get the blood all over your face and in between your teeth to show them you mean murder!
Because having unmeltable alien ice fangs installed would be awkward heresy! Why would you add xeno filth into your body that isn't the blood you drink as you gingerly snack on them between murder sessions!
As a heads up, if you placed any orders via GW Direct in the past week you should have gotten a pin with Krom Dragongaze's Great Company heraldry on it.
Was kind of surprising when I picked up Illic Nightspear.
I'm sure its worded like, an upgrade to a wolfguard unit for either boodclaw o grey hunters are just wolfguards. While the Wolguard pack leader is the leader of a wolfguard pack.
if it isn't, LOL
I'll toss a termi with a bloodclaw unit inside of a stormfang.
Triszin wrote: I'm sure its worded like, an upgrade to a wolfguard unit for either boodclaw o grey hunters are just wolfguards. While the Wolguard pack leader is the leader of a wolfguard pack.
if it isn't, LOL
I'll toss a termi with a bloodclaw unit inside of a stormfang.
Well by Wolf Guard Pack Leader I was talking about the Upgraded Character, I just realized I did not make that clear.
I have found that I do not like Terminator Armor with my Blood Claws, it prevents them from making Sweeping Advances.
With Grey Hunters, I am rethinking that.
dienekes96 wrote: Then why doesn't he have some humongous unmeltable ice FANGS?!?
Explain.
I think it would make sense. Would make all the warm beer instantly cool when it hits his mouth. Now that I think about it, I think he also needs a beer helmet to keep him going.
Anpu42 wrote: What is thing going to mean for Grey Hunters and Blood Claws?
Same thing as it always has except now it won't take an elites slot if you want Termi leaders with no associated WG pack.
I wonder if the wolf guard upgrade replaces a pack member (so that you can have a full strength pack and still use rhinos and drop pods).
From what I have read, yes.
The thing about the Terminator armor is that it removes some transport options
>Rhino/Razorback: No Terminator Armor
>Drop Pod: Loose the 10th Model
>Stormwolf [Rumored as a Dedicated Transport]: Good for both Grey Hunters and Blood Claws
>Stormfang Gunship: A flying Razorback that won't be affected by the Terminator Armor.
It's a shame we don't have the points on the axe/shield dread. I'd love to figure out how many of those I could fit into an unbound list.
Or do a huge list of nothing but ven dreads in drop pods surrounded by TWC... the carnage... the cheese... It'd probably suck but that would be an amazingly fun list.
Kanluwen wrote: As a heads up, if you placed any orders via GW Direct in the past week you should have gotten a pin with Krom Dragongaze's Great Company heraldry on it..
I don't order direct, but that's a cool bonus in the box.
Kanluwen wrote: As a heads up, if you placed any orders via GW Direct in the past week you should have gotten a pin with Krom Dragongaze's Great Company heraldry on it..
I don't order direct, but that's a cool bonus in the box.
I thought I would mention it in case anyone is planning on getting the Wolf Guard or Long Fang editions.
Anpu42 wrote: I wonder if Terminator Armor will be an option for Wolf Scouts or Long Fangs.
Terminator lead Would Scouts would be funny.
Since they don't have BEL anymore, I imagine you could attach one of your 6HQs to them.
That's hardly a consolation...
I wonder if they'll still be Elites then since that gets rid of the only real thing making them any special. This is one leak I hope is totally wrong...
Anpu42 wrote: I wonder if Terminator Armor will be an option for Wolf Scouts or Long Fangs.
Terminator lead Would Scouts would be funny.
Since they don't have BEL anymore, I imagine you could attach one of your 6HQs to them.
That's hardly a consolation...
I wonder if they'll still be Elites then since that gets rid of the only real thing making them any special. This is one leak I hope is totally wrong...
I hope they don't mess with them to much, I just recently finished up converting some Warzone models.
Triszin wrote: I'm sure its worded like, an upgrade to a wolfguard unit for either boodclaw o grey hunters are just wolfguards. While the Wolguard pack leader is the leader of a wolfguard pack.
if it isn't, LOL
I'll toss a termi with a bloodclaw unit inside of a stormfang.
Well by Wolf Guard Pack Leader I was talking about the Upgraded Character, I just realized I did not make that clear.
I have found that I do not like Terminator Armor with my Blood Claws, it prevents them from making Sweeping Advances.
With Grey Hunters, I am rethinking that.
It will depend on what the wolf banner does (if it still exists). Termi armor when combined with the banner was a great way to soak one round of combat damage. That IMO was the only reason to take termi armor on your pack leading wolf guard since it was a fair trade off for loosing sweeping advance and in some cases transport space. If the banner has changed how it works, I think TDA starts to loose a lot of its attractiveness.
I always assumed that if one guy can SA, that's enough. For example a PA Captain in a Termy squad allows a SA, and a TDAHQ in a PA squad does not stop the squad from doing it.
Paradigm wrote: I always assumed that if one guy can SA, that's enough. For example a PA Captain in a Termy squad allows a SA, and a TDAHQ in a PA squad does not stop the squad from doing it.
There is nothing to assume. Afair the rules for the terminator armor state outright, that one model in TDA is enough to stop the whole squad from performing a sweeping advance.
It's in the rules for sweeping advances, rather than the rules for TDA. In the Disallowed Sweeping Advances section: "When a victorious unit contains one or more models that are not allowed to make a Sweeping Advance, the enemy always manages to disengage safely - there is no need to roll."
I wonder if the Chariot option will allow Logan/Wolf Lords to join TWC units, or even Fenrisian Wolves as a retinue/wound soaker, (works both ways depending on whether the Chariot comes with 4++ or such).
WallaceMerrett wrote: I wonder if the Chariot option will allow Logan/Wolf Lords to join TWC units, or even Fenrisian Wolves as a retinue/wound soaker, (works both ways depending on whether the Chariot comes with 4++ or such).
Seems really, really unlikely. Vehicles as independent characters could really break a lot of the rules. Or maybe not, if handled well then could work I suppose. Would likely be a great wound soak as you say. Seems unlikely though.
WallaceMerrett wrote: I wonder if the Chariot option will allow Logan/Wolf Lords to join TWC units, or even Fenrisian Wolves as a retinue/wound soaker, (works both ways depending on whether the Chariot comes with 4++ or such).
Seems really, really unlikely. Vehicles as independent characters could really break a lot of the rules. Or maybe not, if handled well then could work I suppose. Would likely be a great wound soak as you say. Seems unlikely though.
Since this is a huge matter of contention already with Necron CCB's they would be wise to write in a clear answer since this is a 7th ed codex. It would help resolve the CCB as well.
Space Wolf Rumors - July 2014
via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
Yes next week is Logan pre-orders.
He is indeed on a chariot.
The chariot is an option for any Wolf Lord, but not Wolf Guard Battle Leaders.
pretre wrote: Space Wolf Rumors - July 2014
via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
Yes next week is Logan pre-orders.
He is indeed on a chariot.
The chariot is an option for any Wolf Lord, but not Wolf Guard Battle Leaders.
I think the chariot rules are fine as they are. But i think if the space wolves chariot rules are true... thats going to be really good, of course if its points arnt insane and from what we have already seen i rekon they will be kinda cheap.... sadly
This is awesome, I converted my wolf lord and thunderwolves to be riding vipers instead of T-Wolves. If the chariot rules are true then I can bust them out again.
May not be good, but they were tons of fun on the field.
WallaceMerrett wrote: I wonder if the Chariot option will allow Logan/Wolf Lords to join TWC units, or even Fenrisian Wolves as a retinue/wound soaker, (works both ways depending on whether the Chariot comes with 4++ or such).
Seems really, really unlikely. Vehicles as independent characters could really break a lot of the rules. Or maybe not, if handled well then could work I suppose. Would likely be a great wound soak as you say. Seems unlikely though.
Since this is a huge matter of contention already with Necron CCB's they would be wise to write in a clear answer since this is a 7th ed codex. It would help resolve the CCB as well.
Okay after having read the Chariot rules properly for the first time, (having never fielded or faced one), I imagine it would be a little unfair to be joined by another unit that can confer additional wounds and/or invulnerable saves, although you could still field a small unit of Fenrisian Wolves to run in front conferring a cover save in the odd occurrence that a Wolf Lord is fielded in Power Armour without a Belt of Russ (why?!), the TDA 5++ and/or Belt of Russ 4++ superseding the cover save.
I know we're going from garbled images here but does it appear to have propulsion engines? Regular wheels would be a little odd and it looks, (at least to me), to be hovering i.e. the Fenrisian Wolves/Thunderwolves are providing the momentum but the chariot itself is suspended by grav technology, (akin to the thrusters on the Stormwolf/Stormclaw). For me, this is how I hope it is modelled, (with only two Fenrisian Wolves on a 60mm base, or two Thunderwolves on a large round base). At a long shot this would perhaps also confer the Skimmer rule, (Jink if not also Heavy). Although the wolves of both varieties are not slowed by difficult terrain I think it would be rather unlikely to have a Chariot that can end it's turn on top of impassable terrain such as a mountainside... I'd settle for the propulsion look without the Skimmer rule, (especially if Logan/Wolf Lord becomes stranded upon being Immobilised or Wrecked with no ranged weapons and no way to disembark).
Please correct me if I'm wrong on any of the following but... If it matches the F/S/R armour of the Necron CCB of 11 all around then bolter and small arms fire can't even glance the thing so you allocate the wounds to the Chariot and invalidate the shooting altogether? For high strength, high AP you let the TDA armour save take the saves, for high strength, low AP you hope the Belt of Russ/SS 4++/3++ can stop them ja? Sounds good to me!
I know Chariots are few and far between, but outside of the Necron Ever-Living SR, does any other Chariot unit have a model that can survive the destruction of the Chariot itself, i.e. a rule that suggests on say, a 4+ the character is safely ejected from the chariot, hurtled D6 in a random direction (scatter), suffers a S6 hit, (saves allowed), and then counts as a separate Infantry model for the rest of the game, (on the roll of a 1/2/3 the character is destroyed alongside the Chariot).
If that is, or could be the case GW have my money as soon as we have eyes on those rules! Appreciate a lot of this is a) wishful thinking and b) my own personal taste but such is my opinion! Discuss.
Leth wrote: This is awesome, I converted my wolf lord and thunderwolves to be riding vipers instead of T-Wolves. If the chariot rules are true then I can bust them out again.
May not be good, but they were tons of fun on the field.
My TWC surf wolves. Should be an easy conversion to chariots.
The rules are really gonna make or break this thing. I have a hard time seeing it being cheaper than a regular TW mount, and I would not bet on it being better than joining a TWC Lord to a unit of 3 TWC. It might work out as a decent one-model Deathstar on the cheap, but I'm having a hard time imagining this being a better option than joining a unit. That said, it'll all come down to the rules in the end, as I said before.
How havent we heard about the rules for Bjorn yet? I want to know what range weapons he can take, can he be drop podded, what can his claw do now?!
it would be so lame if he stays the same as in last codex while we get soooo incredible other dreds. But we are dealing with GW here so Im expecting mayor.... up
I don't like the look of that Frost Cannon at all, to be honest, but I'm completely sold on the Dread kit. Looks like a metric ton of options on there.
It gives some more info on the "Space Wolves Unleashed" Detachment as it is described in the first post:
'Space Wolves Unleashed' Detachment FOC:
Identical to standard FOC, except may take up to 6 HQs May re-roll Warlord Traits
Each unit joined by an Independent Character rolls a d6, on a 6+ that unit gains Outflank. Troops choices get +2 on this roll.
So that's apparently not entirely true. According to page 28, you are actually required to take a minimum of 2 HQs. Furthermore, any Troops unit that is lead by an Independent Character gets Outflank on a 4+.
(Unless my German reading comprehension is completely failing me)
FireWolf698 wrote: Can anyone identify what exactly is in the Wolf Guard and Long Fang editions?
We covered it a couple pages ago.
LF: Codex, Fluff Book, 6 Art Prints, Fancy Book Box WG: All of the above, 6 metal objectives, first SW supplement, 6 more art prints.
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Terreed wrote: It gives some more info on the "Space Wolves Unleashed" Detachment as it is described in the first post:
'Space Wolves Unleashed' Detachment FOC: Identical to standard FOC, except may take up to 6 HQs May re-roll Warlord Traits Each unit joined by an Independent Character rolls a d6, on a 6+ that unit gains Outflank. Troops choices get +2 on this roll.
So that's apparently not entirely true. According to page 28, you are actually required to take a minimum of 2 HQs. Furthermore, any Troops unit that is lead by an Independent Character gets Outflank on a 4+.
(Unless my German reading comprehension is completely failing me)
Not particularly interesting, but there it is.
Well +2 on the roll is the same as a 4+.
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The ordinary Ven. Dread helmet looks interesting. Kind of crusadery (like one of the Black Templar upgrade helmets). I'd be interested to see that closer and how feasible it would be to scrape the wolf icon off the forehead.
I don't get all that excitement for the helfrost canon. Why should it be taken over a multi-melta? Just for the minimal chance that you wound something that isn't already insta-killed? And fails a S test to boot (most likely on 5+ or 6+).
The only real advantage is that it can be snapfired, but not being twin-linked on the dreadnought that isn't much on an improvement either,
Terreed wrote: It gives some more info on the "Space Wolves Unleashed" Detachment as it is described in the first post:
'Space Wolves Unleashed' Detachment FOC:
Identical to standard FOC, except may take up to 6 HQs May re-roll Warlord Traits
Each unit joined by an Independent Character rolls a d6, on a 6+ that unit gains Outflank. Troops choices get +2 on this roll.
So that's apparently not entirely true. According to page 28, you are actually required to take a minimum of 2 HQs. Furthermore, any Troops unit that is lead by an Independent Character gets Outflank on a 4+.
(Unless my German reading comprehension is completely failing me)
Not particularly interesting, but there it is.
Well +2 on the roll is the same as a 4+.
Why bother, after having carefully read the German, doing anything more than to just quickly skim over the English, right?
The only other thing I'm reading here are little hints for what this new Psychic Discipline is supposed to grant us. Apparently some Lightning Strike that will even make the ground itself devour the enemy, so I'm guessing pass an Initiative Test or be removed from play? Similar idea as Helfrost, I suppose. You're also able to conjure up some storm filled with shards of ice, Large Blast with AP - or 6 (perhaps Rending)?
Ugh, I know it has been said many times now, but Murderfang's exposed head is even stupider when you see it up close. Thankfully there's enough options that you can work around it, and the kit's epic otherwise.
Triszin wrote: plastic rune priest in termi armor in that 3rd pic?
It's blurry as Hell but to me initially it looked like standard Wolf Guard Terminator parts, (the cape and the wolf pelt over the left shoulder, as well as the right hand wielded SB all look exactly like those I've got modeled on my standard Wolf Guard Terminators... however, it appears to be welding a Crozius Arcanum in the left hand, a wolf skull helmet and perhaps additional detail on the right leg too... hopefully some high-res screens will reveal all. I kind of expected a Power Armour Wolf Priest/Ulric double pack though, as if memory serves, (and the rules on this stay constant), I thought only a Wolf Priest without TDA, Bike or Jump Pack could utilise Saga of the Hunter? Perhaps with the changes however Wolf Priest/Ulric have the Outflank by default, and the rules as above for rolling to utilise are significantly lower/automatic for these guys?
The model mentioned above very much reminds me of this guy: http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Space-Marine-Terminator-Chaplain (a conversion I never quite got around to). I'll be miffed if he is released in the same vein as the Terminator Captain in the Space Marine Strike Force Alpha, I simply do not need any more Space Wolves Packs/Wolf Guard Terminators after the eBay Bonanza known as Stormclaw
Thoughts on the new images for the Dreadnoughts:
Really love the heraldry on Bjorn upon closer inspection. He is the oldest of the living Wolves and deserves the bling. However, the Helfrost Cannon is a little disappointing visually for me, and looks off balanced when compared to the sheer weight and size of his Claw. In terms of the rules though, assuming it doesn't get hot it still wounds regular marines on a 2+ and the additional strength test for any ICs in the squad. As long as the points are hiked to high Heaven I'll still most likely run my 5 Plasma Cannons to deal with TDA. I think it gives you another option on the field, and the single shot can cleave through light armour and decimate ICs with high/no invulnerable saves. Would probably pop this on Bjorn, points pending, in place of the Autocannon or Plasma Cannon.
I really, really, really wanted to make myself like the Murderclaw head, but the main reason I like the Mark V sarcophagus is that I can imagine the charred remains of a once great soldier in there, fused with cybernetics and life support. I can suspend my disbelief I guess, I'll convince myself that his enhanced Wulfen senses are superior to tactical overlays/hampen his senses... yeah. Would be a shame to take away from his fluff... maybe I just need to stare long and hard at the sprue and come to terms with it! If there were some sexy new Wulfen models to accompany him, in say... a Wulfen Formation, *cough* GW are you there Margaret it's me *cough* it would be easier to swallow! I am glad there is a standard head in there though, not too keen on the Wolf Skull head either for the same reasons as the sarcophagus above, (appreciate it doesn't mean he has the remains of his head there, but aesthetically not for me).
Picture 6 clearly shows a Plasma Cannon far right and what would appear to be a Lascannon centre, so there are Bjorn's standard options accounted for, mounted on Venerable Dreadnoughts. Long Fangs equipped with Missile Launcher, Lascannon and Heavy Bolter, (from left to right), so no Helfrost Cannon there.
It'll be the regular Codex: Space Wolves for me. As much as I love gubbins, those are some damn expensive gubbins and I'd rather Pimp Logan's Ride
Triszin wrote: plastic rune priest in termi armor in that 3rd pic?
Spoiler:
It's blurry as Hell but to me initially it looked like standard Wolf Guard Terminator parts, (the cape and the wolf pelt over the left shoulder, as well as the right hand wielded SB all look exactly like those I've got modeled on my standard Wolf Guard Terminators... however, it appears to be welding a Crozius Arcanum in the left hand, a wolf skull helmet and perhaps additional detail on the right leg too... hopefully some high-res screens will reveal all. I kind of expected a Power Armour Wolf Priest/Ulric double pack though, as if memory serves, (and the rules on this stay constant), I thought only a Wolf Priest without TDA, Bike or Jump Pack could utilise Saga of the Hunter? Perhaps with the changes however Wolf Priest/Ulric have the Outflank by default, and the rules as above for rolling to utilise are significantly lower/automatic for these guys?
The model mentioned above very much reminds me of this guy: http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Space-Marine-Terminator-Chaplain (a conversion I never quite got around to). I'll be miffed if he is released in the same vein as the Terminator Captain in the Space Marine Strike Force Alpha, I simply do not need any more Space Wolves Packs/Wolf Guard Terminators after the eBay Bonanza known as Stormclaw
Thoughts on the new images for the Dreadnoughts:
Really love the heraldry on Bjorn upon closer inspection. He is the oldest of the living Wolves and deserves the bling. However, the Helfrost Cannon is a little disappointing visually for me, and looks off balanced when compared to the sheer weight and size of his Claw. In terms of the rules though, assuming it doesn't get hot it still wounds regular marines on a 2+ and the additional strength test for any ICs in the squad. As long as the points are hiked to high Heaven I'll still most likely run my 5 Plasma Cannons to deal with TDA. I think it gives you another option on the field, and the single shot can cleave through light armour and decimate ICs with high/no invulnerable saves. Would probably pop this on Bjorn, points pending, in place of the Autocannon or Plasma Cannon.
I really, really, really wanted to make myself like the Murderclaw head, but the main reason I like the Mark V sarcophagus is that I can imagine the charred remains of a once great soldier in there, fused with cybernetics and life support. I can suspend my disbelief I guess, I'll convince myself that his enhanced Wulfen senses are superior to tactical overlays/hampen his senses... yeah. Would be a shame to take away from his fluff... maybe I just need to stare long and hard at the sprue and come to terms with it! If there were some sexy new Wulfen models to accompany him, in say... a Wulfen Formation, *cough* GW are you there Margaret it's me *cough* it would be easier to swallow! I am glad there is a standard head in there though, not too keen on the Wolf Skull head either for the same reasons as the sarcophagus above, (appreciate it doesn't mean he has the remains of his head there, but aesthetically not for me).
Picture 6 clearly shows a Plasma Cannon far right and what would appear to be a Lascannon centre, so there are Bjorn's standard options accounted for, mounted on Venerable Dreadnoughts. Long Fangs equipped with Missile Launcher, Lascannon and Heavy Bolter, (from left to right), so no Helfrost Cannon there.
It'll be the regular Codex: Space Wolves for me. As much as I love gubbins, those are some damn expensive gubbins and I'd rather Pimp Logan's Ride
I still don't like Bjorn, still think the wolf's skull head looks silly and still think murderfang's exposed head looks silly.
But it looks like there's enough parts in there to make basically whatever you want, so it's all good.
I do wonder how Bjorn would look if the designs on his "chest" were not painted gold, but rather painted like the old banner. That might make it look alright.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: I still don't like Bjorn, still think the wolf's skull head looks silly and still think murderfang's exposed head looks silly.
But it looks like there's enough parts in there to make basically whatever you want, so it's all good.
I do wonder how Bjorn would look if the designs on his "chest" were not painted gold, but rather painted like the old banner. That might make it look alright.
It is panted like that in one of the pics on page 57 or 58 and it looks ace
AllSeeingSkink wrote: I still don't like Bjorn, still think the wolf's skull head looks silly and still think murderfang's exposed head looks silly.
But it looks like there's enough parts in there to make basically whatever you want, so it's all good.
I do wonder how Bjorn would look if the designs on his "chest" were not painted gold, but rather painted like the old banner. That might make it look alright.
It is panted like that in one of the pics on page 57 or 58 and it looks ace
Oh so it is, I totally missed that, yeah, it does make it look a lot better.
Could someone who is more knowledgeable about GW limited edition stuff tell me if the book that is coming with the Longfang edition will be available at a later time.
Bulldogging wrote: Could someone who is more knowledgeable about GW limited edition stuff tell me if the book that is coming with the Longfang edition will be available at a later time.
In regards to the Companion book?
No clue.
The supplement(Champions of Fenris) coming with the Wolf Guard edition will be out a week later or so.
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Yay, for this picture. I was uncertain just how big the new flyer was. This image really helps in the decision process. Its nice that it appears to be rather beefy. As a modeler/painter first I like that it will look good on display.
Bulldogging wrote: Could someone who is more knowledgeable about GW limited edition stuff tell me if the book that is coming with the Longfang edition will be available at a later time.
In regards to the Companion book?
No clue.
The supplement(Champions of Fenris) coming with the Wolf Guard edition will be out a week later or so.
I read about it today in the White Dwarf upcoming releases in the shop, as well.
Its all about the presentation, this year. The books are friggin insane, and all about the marketing.
"A reminder of what is coming out this weekend
Space Wolves This weekend
Space Wolves Venerable Dreadnought/Bjorn/Murderfang $54
1 model
Codex Space Wolves $49.50
104pags
Codex Space Wolves Wolf Guard Edition $250
boxed three volume set with accessories- online only
Codex Space Wolves Long Fang Edition $180
boxed two volume set with accessories- online only
Codex Space Wolves Digital Edition
ebook and ibook editions
Datacards Space Wolves $8
7 psychic power cards, and 36 tactical objective cards"
Reposted from link/ and can verify from what I read today.
I am liking the dreadnought designs but Murderfangs exposed head is just stupid, that is something chaos would do, and i though marines interned into dreadnought were inside a fluid sack (similar like in the matrix)?
I don't want to jump to conclusions because I know the Helfrost cannon has only been seen on Bjorn but isn't it generally GW's policy of putting all available weapons for a model in the box it comes in?
What are the chances the shield/helfrost Dread can happen?
Triszin wrote: plastic rune priest in termi armor in that 3rd pic?
Spoiler:
It's blurry as Hell but to me initially it looked like standard Wolf Guard Terminator parts, (the cape and the wolf pelt over the left shoulder, as well as the right hand wielded SB all look exactly like those I've got modeled on my standard Wolf Guard Terminators... however, it appears to be welding a Crozius Arcanum in the left hand, a wolf skull helmet and perhaps additional detail on the right leg too... hopefully some high-res screens will reveal all. I kind of expected a Power Armour Wolf Priest/Ulric double pack though, as if memory serves, (and the rules on this stay constant), I thought only a Wolf Priest without TDA, Bike or Jump Pack could utilise Saga of the Hunter? Perhaps with the changes however Wolf Priest/Ulric have the Outflank by default, and the rules as above for rolling to utilise are significantly lower/automatic for these guys?
The model mentioned above very much reminds me of this guy: http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Space-Marine-Terminator-Chaplain (a conversion I never quite got around to). I'll be miffed if he is released in the same vein as the Terminator Captain in the Space Marine Strike Force Alpha, I simply do not need any more Space Wolves Packs/Wolf Guard Terminators after the eBay Bonanza known as Stormclaw
Thoughts on the new images for the Dreadnoughts:
Really love the heraldry on Bjorn upon closer inspection. He is the oldest of the living Wolves and deserves the bling. However, the Helfrost Cannon is a little disappointing visually for me, and looks off balanced when compared to the sheer weight and size of his Claw. In terms of the rules though, assuming it doesn't get hot it still wounds regular marines on a 2+ and the additional strength test for any ICs in the squad. As long as the points are hiked to high Heaven I'll still most likely run my 5 Plasma Cannons to deal with TDA. I think it gives you another option on the field, and the single shot can cleave through light armour and decimate ICs with high/no invulnerable saves. Would probably pop this on Bjorn, points pending, in place of the Autocannon or Plasma Cannon.
I really, really, really wanted to make myself like the Murderclaw head, but the main reason I like the Mark V sarcophagus is that I can imagine the charred remains of a once great soldier in there, fused with cybernetics and life support. I can suspend my disbelief I guess, I'll convince myself that his enhanced Wulfen senses are superior to tactical overlays/hampen his senses... yeah. Would be a shame to take away from his fluff... maybe I just need to stare long and hard at the sprue and come to terms with it! If there were some sexy new Wulfen models to accompany him, in say... a Wulfen Formation, *cough* GW are you there Margaret it's me *cough* it would be easier to swallow! I am glad there is a standard head in there though, not too keen on the Wolf Skull head either for the same reasons as the sarcophagus above, (appreciate it doesn't mean he has the remains of his head there, but aesthetically not for me).
Picture 6 clearly shows a Plasma Cannon far right and what would appear to be a Lascannon centre, so there are Bjorn's standard options accounted for, mounted on Venerable Dreadnoughts. Long Fangs equipped with Missile Launcher, Lascannon and Heavy Bolter, (from left to right), so no Helfrost Cannon there.
It'll be the regular Codex: Space Wolves for me. As much as I love gubbins, those are some damn expensive gubbins and I'd rather Pimp Logan's Ride
good catch, its definitely that.
So here is Naftka supposedly confirming that we will indeed see a new Wolf Priest in TDA model alongside Logan & Chariot week after Dreadnought and Codex
Triszin wrote: plastic rune priest in termi armor in that 3rd pic?
Spoiler:
It's blurry as Hell but to me initially it looked like standard Wolf Guard Terminator parts, (the cape and the wolf pelt over the left shoulder, as well as the right hand wielded SB all look exactly like those I've got modeled on my standard Wolf Guard Terminators... however, it appears to be welding a Crozius Arcanum in the left hand, a wolf skull helmet and perhaps additional detail on the right leg too... hopefully some high-res screens will reveal all. I kind of expected a Power Armour Wolf Priest/Ulric double pack though, as if memory serves, (and the rules on this stay constant), I thought only a Wolf Priest without TDA, Bike or Jump Pack could utilise Saga of the Hunter? Perhaps with the changes however Wolf Priest/Ulric have the Outflank by default, and the rules as above for rolling to utilise are significantly lower/automatic for these guys?
The model mentioned above very much reminds me of this guy: http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Space-Marine-Terminator-Chaplain (a conversion I never quite got around to). I'll be miffed if he is released in the same vein as the Terminator Captain in the Space Marine Strike Force Alpha, I simply do not need any more Space Wolves Packs/Wolf Guard Terminators after the eBay Bonanza known as Stormclaw
Thoughts on the new images for the Dreadnoughts:
Really love the heraldry on Bjorn upon closer inspection. He is the oldest of the living Wolves and deserves the bling. However, the Helfrost Cannon is a little disappointing visually for me, and looks off balanced when compared to the sheer weight and size of his Claw. In terms of the rules though, assuming it doesn't get hot it still wounds regular marines on a 2+ and the additional strength test for any ICs in the squad. As long as the points are hiked to high Heaven I'll still most likely run my 5 Plasma Cannons to deal with TDA. I think it gives you another option on the field, and the single shot can cleave through light armour and decimate ICs with high/no invulnerable saves. Would probably pop this on Bjorn, points pending, in place of the Autocannon or Plasma Cannon.
I really, really, really wanted to make myself like the Murderclaw head, but the main reason I like the Mark V sarcophagus is that I can imagine the charred remains of a once great soldier in there, fused with cybernetics and life support. I can suspend my disbelief I guess, I'll convince myself that his enhanced Wulfen senses are superior to tactical overlays/hampen his senses... yeah. Would be a shame to take away from his fluff... maybe I just need to stare long and hard at the sprue and come to terms with it! If there were some sexy new Wulfen models to accompany him, in say... a Wulfen Formation, *cough* GW are you there Margaret it's me *cough* it would be easier to swallow! I am glad there is a standard head in there though, not too keen on the Wolf Skull head either for the same reasons as the sarcophagus above, (appreciate it doesn't mean he has the remains of his head there, but aesthetically not for me).
Picture 6 clearly shows a Plasma Cannon far right and what would appear to be a Lascannon centre, so there are Bjorn's standard options accounted for, mounted on Venerable Dreadnoughts. Long Fangs equipped with Missile Launcher, Lascannon and Heavy Bolter, (from left to right), so no Helfrost Cannon there.
It'll be the regular Codex: Space Wolves for me. As much as I love gubbins, those are some damn expensive gubbins and I'd rather Pimp Logan's Ride
good catch, its definitely that.
So here is Naftka supposedly confirming that we will indeed see a new Wolf Priest in TDA model alongside Logan & Chariot week after Dreadnought and Codex
I can't see it, guess I'm looking in the wrong place. An interesting comment made on the Naftka post was the fact that we are getting the supplement for Grimnars Great company. It'll be nice for the attention to be taken away from Ragnar so that people realise that there are other colours to paint wolves
I don't think a single Naftka SW rumor has been right. Why start now? The WP in TDA is probably based on the picture that has been discussed, which appears to be a conversion. But hey, I'd love to be wrong. But I'm not hanging my hopes on Naftka speculation.
dienekes96 wrote: I don't think a single Naftka SW rumor has been right. Why start now? The WP in TDA is probably based on the picture that has been discussed, which appears to be a conversion. But hey, I'd love to be wrong. But I'm not hanging my hopes on Naftka speculation.
Do GW ever feature conversions on their first party images? I was under the assumption that they only ever used their own figures, within reason of course i.e. those Long Fangs are clearly Space Wolves Pack legs, torso, head with Space Marine Devastator weapons and backpacks. I've never seen a straight up creative kitbash though, so I'm erring on the side of believing this to be a new Wolf Priest model.
Although I keep banging on about "they should have done a double kit for Power Armour Wolf Priest/Ulric, Power Armour Wolf Lord/Ragnar" I never even considered that they might offer Ulric TDA as an upgrade and this could be that very thing. If it is, then good for you GW!
So about what time (Eastern Time) does stuff go up for pre-order? 1900ish? Trying to figure out if I need to worry about this before I leave work or not.
streamdragon wrote: So about what time (Eastern Time) does stuff go up for pre-order? 1900ish? Trying to figure out if I need to worry about this before I leave work or not.
You should start checking around 1400 to 1420 EST(2-2:20PM). Sometimes the preorders will be live before the page changes over and has all the new art, etc.
SlyasR wrote: Stormwolf is said Landraider - 35 Stormfang gunship is said landraider - 30
not sure about equipment, but info is out on that too
Can't we be adults and write points costs out?
Stormwolf - 215 Stormfang - 220
And most of the info is in the first post.
As the post count indicates, I'm new to rumormongering, as is my source. Releasing things a bit at a time was what they wanted. Since everybody is hungry for details and 'credibility' though, I pressed them to give me everything they've got. Here it is:
Stormwolf - Fast Attack - Points = Land Raider minus 35 BS4 - F12 S12 R12 HP3 - Vehicle (Flyer, Hover, Transport)
Wargear: Twin-linked helfrost cannon Twin-linked lascannon Two twin-linked heavy bolters - May be replaced with a Skyhammer launcher for free, or two twin-linked multi-meltas for 20pts Ceramite Plating
Special Rules: Assault Vehicle Power of the Machine Spirit
Transport: Transport Capacity - sixteen models Fire Points - none Access Points - One ramp at the front of the hull
Stormfang Gunship - Heavy Support - Points = Land Raider minus 30 BS4 - F12 S12 R12 HP3 - Vehicle (Flyer, Hover Transport)
Wargear: Helfrost destructor Two twin-linked heavy bolters - May be replaced with a Skyhammer launcher for free, or two twin-linked multi-meltas for 20 pts Two Stormstrike missiles - May be replaced with a twin-linked lascannon for 15 pts Ceramite Plating
Special Rules: Power of the Machine Spirit
Transport: Transport Capacity - six models Fire Points - none Access Points - One at rear of the hull
Helfrost cannon dispersed - R24" S6 AP3 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Blast focussed - R24" S8 AP1 Heavy 1, Helfrost
Helfrost destructor dispersed - R24" S6 AP3 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Large Blast focussed - R24" S8 AP1 Heavy 1, Helfrost, Lance
Helfrost - If a model suffers one or more unsaved wounds from this weapon, it must pass a separate Strength test for each wound suffered or be removed from play
The teaser has it broken apart in art work segments, another poster noticed it and I helped glue it together. It has a Space wolf Banner attached to the ass end of the sled.
Triszin wrote: The teaser has it broken apart in art work segments, another poster noticed it and I helped glue it together. It has a Space wolf Banner attached to the ass end of the sled.
Look at my 1 gallery image.
Ah yeah I've seen that, was hoping for something real. Shouldn't be long now though.
Triszin wrote:It's the sled. Matches the artwork, surprisingly, THere should be a second wolf.
Front part looks like a viking long boat, but the back kinda morphs into a grav lift/jetbike thing
WallaceMerrett wrote:I know we're going from garbled images here but does it appear to have propulsion engines? Regular wheels would be a little odd and it looks, (at least to me), to be hovering i.e. the Fenrisian Wolves/Thunderwolves are providing the momentum but the chariot itself is suspended by grav technology, (akin to the thrusters on the Stormwolf/Stormclaw). For me, this is how I hope it is modelled, (with only two Fenrisian Wolves on a 60mm base, or two Thunderwolves on a large round base). At a long shot this would perhaps also confer the Skimmer rule, (Jink if not also Heavy). Although the wolves of both varieties are not slowed by difficult terrain I think it would be rather unlikely to have a Chariot that can end it's turn on top of impassable terrain such as a mountainside... I'd settle for the propulsion look without the Skimmer rule, (especially if Logan/Wolf Lord becomes stranded upon being Immobilised or Wrecked with no ranged weapons and no way to disembark).
I know Chariots are few and far between, but outside of the Necron Ever-Living SR, does any other Chariot unit have a model that can survive the destruction of the Chariot itself, i.e. a rule that suggests on say, a 4+ the character is safely ejected from the chariot, hurtled D6 in a random direction (scatter), suffers a S6 hit, (saves allowed), and then counts as a separate Infantry model for the rest of the game, (on the roll of a 1/2/3 the character is destroyed alongside the Chariot).
Totally going to count my outlandish and uninformed wishful thinking as foresight... called it.
WOw, those collectors editions are gawd awful, nice packaging but thats it. I mean reallyfor 250$ thats all you get, 75$+ for one additional book?
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I mean they could make it so much better if with all limited edition and collectors editions they come with a limited run codex cover figure. The main focus of each cover has a actual limited urn model. that'd be great.
That's a TON of stuff on the Dread kit! Looks like it comes with 1left arm with separate hands and then 2 right arms with swappable guns and the other claw. Also many front pieces in there as well.
pretre wrote: Looks like choose your own front-plates and head too, so you can skip the Murderfang head, if you choose.
Automatically Appended Next Post: And Axe dread looks to have up/down, side to side and spin on his arm, so that's how he uses the axe well.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Looks like left side is shield or claw, right is frost, multi-melta, assault cannon or claw.
That's odd, the Plasma Cannon and Lascannons were featured in the previous pictures of the Venerables if memory serve; safe to assume the other Dread kit weapons are interchangeable? Obviously doesn't matter if those options have been removed from the Codex but assumedly not.
