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Awesome, anyone know when the arkham campaign book, aquaman, and cater man go up for sale?
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Post by: drazz
Aquaman, AK NIghtwing, AK Penguin, Catwoman, and probably Supergirl are likely next month's releases.
AK campaign book is probably before summer.
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As a retailer I'm still waiting for that call saying I can't sell my stock that I own.... because it's not coming. KM may have a legal agreement that expired but the stock that's out there is out there. People who own it (including shops) can do what they want with it. If it's vanished it's because it's sold out not because any legal pressure from an evil empire.
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Post by: inmygravenimage
Pre-orders up till 28th. Supergirl is DCU mg only. Penguin gets another large Henchmen too.
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AK book is in that mix, btw.
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Post by: Necros
So wait... back when I was into comics.. wasn't Jason todd one of Batman's Robins, who got killed? I remember my copy of that issue was worth like $100 at one point.. now it's probably worth $2.
Was he really not dead all along? Or brought back to life in a hideous experiment gone wrong?
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 inmygravenimage wrote:Pre-orders up till 28th. Supergirl is DCU mg only. Penguin gets another large Henchmen too.
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AK book is in that mix, btw.
Cool! I hope the book makes its way onto US online retailers with the pre-order fig soon!
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 Necros wrote:So wait... back when I was into comics.. wasn't Jason todd one of Batman's Robins, who got killed? I remember my copy of that issue was worth like $100 at one point.. now it's probably worth $2.
Was he really not dead all along? Or brought back to life in a hideous experiment gone wrong?
tl;dr He was dead, resurrected by the Lazarus Pit 
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Post by: Kanluwen
Necros wrote:So wait... back when I was into comics.. wasn't Jason todd one of Batman's Robins, who got killed? I remember my copy of that issue was worth like $100 at one point.. now it's probably worth $2.
Was he really not dead all along? Or brought back to life in a hideous experiment gone wrong?
Watch the DC Animated movie "Under the Red Hood".
It basically explains all of this, at least the way the comics did it. "Arkham Knight" went a different (and IMO far darker) route that I won't spill the beans on here. If you want to know it, PM me.
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Post by: drazz
Next month's releases: Catwoman (modern; DCU and BMG), Supergirl (DCU), Aquaman (DCU), AK NIghtwing, AK Penguin Crew, AK Penguin Lieutenant.
Also, pre-orders for the AK Campaign Book, with the alternate Arkham Knight model, are up at Knight Models. Keep an eye out for other retailers having the pre-order.
A few pics:
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Post by: Mymearan
How many Marvel models did they have? Were many people playing the game? Seems like a pretty huge bomb to drop on people who had invested in it.
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Post by: drazz
By my very bad count, 44 total Marvel 35mm models in production, about 5 of which never had official Marvel Universe game releases. (Plus 32 70mm Marvel models, and an additional 5-6 alternate sculpts.)
And, yes, the announcement came pretty quickly, after months of speculation.
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Post by: angel of death 007
About 3 weeks ago FRP had all the Knight Models spiderman stuff up for sale plus some others. I ordered the spiderman set, green goblin set, thanos, electra, venom. It showed them to have good stock for all of them They approved my order. Three days back they said they could not get any of the marvel stuff I had ordered. Talk about going from a high to a low. So they refunded me but it sucks because I was looking forward to nabbing that stuff up. Luckily I have all the marvel line models they make except for Thing. I have always been a heavy marvel lover so I will probably buy hero clix figures and make some stat cards for the marvel game. Really sad though. Does anyone know if anyone started making cards for some of the hero clix models that Knight models should have made (thinking most brotherhood models, iceman, bishop, forge, cable, mr sinister strife, sentinels?
I am looking forward to the arkham knight campaign.
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Post by: Paradigm
This link has a bunch of 'leaked' Marvel stuff that was apparently in playtesting before the drop, should give you something to work from:
http://pressganger.blogspot.co.uk/2017/02/even-more-and-all-marvel-universe-leaks.html
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Post by: Siygess
Wow, that's a lot of stuff they had in progress. Kind of makes you think this was all very short notice for KM, too.
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Post by: drazz
Maybe? KM had gone something close to 6 months without a new release from Marvel before the announcement. And the last two of their starters (Brotherhood and Dark Avengers) did not come with rule books or scenarios. In fact, I think they were priced higher as well.
Whatever the case, the end came quickly and thuroughly. Looks like KM has also dropped ALL their 70mm models (DC, Lord of the RIngs, and modern military). They are no longer on their site.
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Post by: Compel
I'm glad I got the 70mm Superman then (which naturally, I've never touched, a year after I bought him).
Though I've always been tempted by the Wolverine VS Sabertooth fight...
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Post by: angel of death 007
Thank you a ton for posting that link. That was so many of the characters I wanted to add. Do you know if there is a fan base that is working on cards for some of the other missing main players.
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Post by: timetowaste85
The only custom character I could find was Winter Soldier. Anything more I'm missing?
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Post by: drazz
Non-released, but leaked cards are:
Ant Man, Beast, Blob, Bullseye, Capt Marvel, Daken, Falcon, Juggernaut, Mystique, Psylock, Sabertooth, Silver Surfer, Storm, Winter Soldier.
According to at least two sources, these cards were play-tested for nearly a year, and essentially at the point of approval. No known models though.
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Post by: timetowaste85
I've seen that list and the stat cards for them. I'm already working on my Juggernaut and Psylocke and Archangel (using Falcon rules) are on the workbench. They aren't quite "custom"; I thought the FB group was supposed to be presenting custom characters.
If anyone has connections or wants to build characters, I'm requesting custom builds for the following figures:
Cable (neutral X)
Apocalypse (team apocalypse)
4 Horsemen (team apocalypse)
Maverick (neutral X)
Avalanche (evil X)
Domino (neutral X)
Iceman (good X)
Proper Archangel would be nice (good X, team apocalypse)
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Post by: inmygravenimage
Big changes to cost of the Joker - 105 for AC and 90 for Ledger. Sad but glad. They're trying to listen to the community, which is no bad thing.
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Post by: Paradigm
Seems odd to stick a 15 point increase on a model that's been in the game for 5 years now, but probably fair as AC Joker is pretty darn awesome.
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It's also about balancing the meta. Joker swarm is dominating batmatch again. Edit: Interesting to see Ringmaster down to 28 (my feelings on his general rubbishness are well known) Scaling of old stuff is entirely appropriate, and it's good to see the game evolving.
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Post by: Rygnan
Some neat changes in there, the speedster one I'm a big fan of (gotta bring out Barry this weekend methinks) and the change to teams is pretty awesome.
They've added the team bonuses from Batmatch into the regular FAQ, which is something I feel like they needed to be able to stand against some of the horde lists (Joker and Two-Face are 2 I've had experience against which was pretty messy). Teen Titans in particular I feel love this change, as the clarification to team composition means you can pretty effectively remove their downside (AK Nightwing becoming a leader to remove half the inexperience counters, then whatever sidekicks/free agents to taste).
All in all, this FAQ I both like and don't, as it does a lot of work for balancing the game, but also gives me so much more I want to try again (on top of the 12-odd free agents and sidekicks I haven't had a chance to use yet)
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Post by: angel of death 007
I really like the look of the new penguin and street demonz but I am a fan of the AK video game. The only gripe I have is that two of the crew are wearing gasmasks but don't include that as equipment in their card. So do they have it or don't they and why model them with it if they don't?
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Post by: drazz
Arkham City Limits Facebook page is now once again the "official" Facebook for BMG. https://www.facebook.com/groups/batman.miniatures.game/
Take that as you want it.
The Penguin crew does seem more thematic instead of WYSIWYG. Pretty sure Penguin can take gas masks for his crew though.
EDIT: The New AK Campaign book promises more vehicles. Here's an example:
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Post by: .Mikes.
That's a little too serious for Joker IMO. I would have preferred something like this.
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Post by: drazz
Knight Models has updated their site. New downloads are pretty handy. And there are now articles related to the games.
https://www.knightmodels.com/
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Post by: partisan_nick
But not the complete rules on the site any more?
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Post by: drazz
DC Universe rules are still there. Bottom of the page.
https://www.knightmodels.com/downloads/
Batman rules have not been on the website for quite a while, I believe. At this point you need 2 different rulebooks; main book and the Flash/Arrow book for some traits, team rules, equipment lists and new scenarios. And then the rules from the Arkham Knight book will be added.
There is supposed to be a soft cover rules book with all the compiled info coming this year though.
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Post by: LunarSol
 .Mikes. wrote:That's a little too serious for Joker IMO. I would have preferred something like this.
It's directly lifted from something VERY specific and VERY spoiler filled.
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Post by: The Warp Forge
I hope Pyg comes next month..
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Post by: AduroT
 drazz wrote:DC Universe rules are still there. Bottom of the page.
https://www.knightmodels.com/downloads/
Batman rules have not been on the website for quite a while, I believe. At this point you need 2 different rulebooks; main book and the Flash/Arrow book for some traits, team rules, equipment lists and new scenarios. And then the rules from the Arkham Knight book will be added.
There is supposed to be a soft cover rules book with all the compiled info coming this year though.
Actually you're up to three books now to have all the rules with Suicide Squad.
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Post by: drazz
It isn't much, but this was just teased over at KM Facebook:
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Post by: inmygravenimage
Coo...
Not to thread jack, but I've got a bat rep and discussion in my P&m blog just now (link in Sig) about running ac Joker post faq.
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Post by: drazz
Knight Models has announced their first painting competition. You have until April 30 to submit self-painted KM 35mm figures, as singles or crews. Enter as often as you like.
(I personally feel like entering a bunch of Marvel minis.)
Also, that's a Darseid in the pic.
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Post by: The Warp Forge
Surprised no ones mentioned the Paradeamons yet...
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Post by: rybackstun
Looks like Captain Marvel is coming to the DCUMG as well! Can't wait! 
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Post by: Paradigm
We might have seen these in some of the AK pics, but here's Pyg and the henchmen:
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Post by: rybackstun
I wonder if they'll actually sell those drones or if players will have to make them.
WANT tho
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Post by: drazz
I'm guessing the drone will be official, but under the "Legends" line, so direct order only. They definitely look tough, but Scarecrow is off my list (as one of only about 3 bands I don't have).
Prof Pyg looks pretty nice, both as a set of models and rules. Arrest and three Desensitized bodyguards for Pyg for relatively cheap is going to make a lot of lists, I think.
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Post by: inmygravenimage
^Also Medic for folk other than bats/Scarecrow.
Afaik the drones will not just be direct. Also, though this is unrelated, they don't have the keyword Legend so are playable in regular games 
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Post by: Paradigm
First Organised Crime set, the Falcone family:
Pretty cool.
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Post by: LunarSol
They need Matches Malone in their lineup. 
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Post by: inmygravenimage
so true
Falcone's ability is terrifying: For the Family - all of your Henchmen (NOT just affiliated henchmen) gain Bodyguard and do not have to spend SC to use Bodyguard, unless Selina Kyle is in play.
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Post by: Compel
How do you find out what the "For the family" trait does?
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Post by: inmygravenimage
It's buried in a reply in the announcement thread on fb by Bruno Diaz (who is km staff).
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Post by: inmygravenimage
Came home yesterday to a large box from Spain...  That's... A lot of toys. Review of Arkham Knight here on bigcomicpage.com - tl;dr it's really good, has a strong Necromunda/Warhammer Historical vibe to progression - but read the article, share it and you can win your own copy I'm free to answer any questions you may have, though.
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Post by: GiraffeX
The contents of that box look very exciting!
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Post by: inmygravenimage
Dude, you have no idea. Arkham Knight and Penguin crew come with new uncut flagstone bases, too.
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Post by: AduroT
Saw pictures of those. A definite step up from the ugly rubble bases everything comes with, but I'd still rather they came with plain bases and left you to decorate them yourself.
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Post by: Aeneades
I have been waiting for the new bases for a while as I have a load of miniatures to base, hopefully they start to sell them separately soon.
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Post by: drazz
New releases for the month: Falcone Starter, Alberto Falcone, Professor Pyg, Darkseid, Shazam, and dual game Parademon.
Cards for the DC game below.
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Post by: Alpharius
I was annoyed at them for getting rid of the Marvel game, but I'm getting tempted by the DC Universe one...
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Post by: LunarSol
Mildly curious what Omega (Apokalypse?) Villain wouldn't also be a JL villain.
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Post by: drazz
Speculation is that Team Cards may just address the additional symbol and not the individual characters.
That way KM does not have to know ahead of time all the models they might produce for a specific team, rather just say "this team requires x models with the Omega symbol."
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Post by: timetowaste85
I realize it's a red attack, one use only, but the Onega beam (I'm not as DC as I am Marvel, but I think it's Onega) is brutal!!
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Post by: Alpharius
Unless there's a joke here that I'm missing, it is definitely Omega Beams...
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Post by: Compel
Yeah, it's Omega beams.
If memory serves, generally speaking, it's the most powerful attack and ability in the DC Universe (aside, perhaps, from instances where a writer decides I'm going to top the Omega Beam). So yeah, it's sufficiently brutal. If I remember right, it typically wipes someone from existence.
Watching the Superman / Batman Apocalypse film is a good primer on this sort of thing. Although, there's "Justice League: War" as well. But, meh... Not much of a fan of the New 52 style they do for those films.
The facebook threads have everyone freaking out about this, and how the power creeps all doom and gloom and so on and so forth.
Darkseid is DC's equivalent of Marvel's Thanos. Essentially one of the (if not THE) most powerful beings in the universe.
He'll change the meta, sure. People will need to SERIOUSLY think about having irresistible and magical attacks in their lists, and plan for redundancy with them but no, I don't think the game is broken because of him.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
or just have larger lists, the beam will wipe one hero but them that's it
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Post by: timetowaste85
OK, my bad. My ear always seem to pick up that it was an N, not an M.
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Post by: bbb
 Compel wrote:Darkseid is DC's equivalent of Marvel's Thanos. Essentially one of the (if not THE) most powerful beings in the universe.
I'm much more of a Marvel guy and I love Thanos, but technically Darkseid predates Thanos by 2 or 3 years, so Thanos is Marvel's equivalent to DC's Darkseid.
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Post by: inmygravenimage
Darkseid is not broken, just terrifying I think he's spot on and sets a cap (mostly) on the game. In a broader sense I think he shifts the focus of the game back Up to the Supers and away from BMG characters/power levels (parademons notwithstanding). I think what's interesting is how you really have to have a BIG, non-BMG hitter in a hero team - or two.
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Post by: AduroT
In the old JL cartoon Darkseid comments that Batman was the only person at the time to survive/avoid his Omega Beams. I absolutely love that they have a rule where you have to Keep dodging them.
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Oh, and any chance of someone posting those Parademon cards from something other than Photobucket? Can't read them at all from my phone.
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Post by: Compel
Yeah, the Parademon card for the Batman Minis Game is so you can field on as part of the Secret Six team in the Flarrow book. - He's not available for any other team (Affiliation: None, as opposed to Affiliation: Unknown).
Although, it's tempting to set up a custom scenario where you perhaps have a horde of Parademons invading Gotham as part of Darkseid's invasion...
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Post by: AduroT
At 70pts each it'd take some messing with them to get a decent horde feel out of it.
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Post by: Lockark
I kinda want to start a falcone gang in this game because with the newer stuff coming out they just feel haliouresly normal. Lol They have never talking about doing the Ventriloquist yet right?
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Post by: Compel
 AduroT wrote:At 70pts each it'd take some messing with them to get a decent horde feel out of it.
Well, the idea I had, maybe have 2 sets, if your buddy has them too and see how many your 350 point gang could take down before they're wiped out. Or how many points are left at the end of 6 rounds.
I don't see why you couldn't just transfer over the Brutal and Cruel rules to their equivalents BMG-wise.
Dead parademons come on from the board edge at the start of the next round.
Maybe allow KO parademons to 'self destruct' as an activation, allowing them to come in next round.
If you only have access to a single set, maybe have a smaller play area (30" by 30") and, say, a 275 to 300 point gang?
It'd have to be a situation where after you play, you swap sides and your opponent maybe brings out his own gang to try to top your score total.
There's lots of fun you could have with the concept.
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Post by: drazz
 Lockark wrote:I kinda want to start a falcone gang in this game because with the newer stuff coming out they just feel haliouresly normal. Lol They have never talking about doing the Ventriloquist yet right?
And still quite a decent gang.
Bodyguard on ALL the henchmen is insane, and awesome. They look like the band will be pretty slow, though, so keep that in mind.
That Parademon for BMG is pretty good. Definitely helps Secret Six become more interesting. They're still pretty far behind the power curve though, I think.
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drazz wrote: Lockark wrote:I kinda want to start a falcone gang in this game because with the newer stuff coming out they just feel haliouresly normal. Lol They have never talking about doing the Ventriloquist yet right?
And still quite a decent gang.
Bodyguard on ALL the henchmen is insane, and awesome. They look like the band will be pretty slow, though, so keep that in mind.
That Parademon for BMG is pretty good. Definitely helps Secret Six become more interesting. They're still pretty far behind the power curve though, I think.
They do seem slow but with the new utility vehicles in the AK Book I feel that could give them the speed they want
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Post by: AduroT
So apparently the prices on everything are going up now I'm hearing.
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Post by: The Warp Forge
AduroT wrote:So apparently the prices on everything are going up now I'm hearing.
Apparently so.. Box sets will be around £32 now.
In fairness though KM don't usually do annual price increases so this must be a reaction to the Economy or the License or something along those lines..
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Post by: angel of death 007
@$50 USD for a pack of 4 is getting pretty costly hopefully the single blisters don't go up too. $20 for a single model is a bit high already.
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No cards to show yet, but this just happened:
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Post by: Compel
Oh rodger.
I don't want another gang.
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Post by: nagash42
A gang of powered suits seems a bit much for the Batman game. A bunch of guys in suits made for fighting kryptonions fighting street gangs and the mob?
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Post by: drazz
Yeah, I won't say they have jumped the shark yet, but it feels like it's getting close. And then there would be no real need for the D.C. Supers game. But, what do I know.
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Post by: Ben2
So these models don't have rules for the superhero game. Just for the Batman game? That seems like a massive wasted opportunity.
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Post by: Aeneades
They haven't revealed the stat cards yet. I wouldn't be surprised if they are multiverse and come with cards for both Batman and DC. We have already seen minions added to the DC game with the Parademons so them also having rules for the power suited Lexcorp troops makes sense.
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Post by: Paradigm
Are they guys in suits? I figured they were probably robots, those tend to be more Lex's thing and he keeps the various suits to himself. Robots would also help with the power level perhaps, as they'd perhaps be a bit flimsier or have a few built-in drawbacks like the Riddler bots.
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I'd guess DCU rules for the suited minions, but not that version of Lex. He doesn't look strong enough to contend in DCU here, I imagine that'll get let to his mini with the power suit.
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Multiverse?
Well. Balls. That would be yet another gang I've bought then.
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Post by: Motograter
The new prices are gonna kill this. It was hard getting folk into the game with previous prices but these new prices are laughable £17 a single figure and between £32 - £45 for a basic crew. A lot of people are selling there stuff off. Knight just keep pushing folks away with the stupidity they show. It's like they want to be the gw of old it's just gw could get away with it. Knight are a tiny company that needs customers. The marvel fiasco, crap customer service and this ridiculous price rise is gonna hit them hard
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Post by: Paradigm
Bloody hell, I didn't realise the prices had gone up that significantly! At this point, I very much doubt I'll be buying much more KM stuff at all, unless the Potter stuff is more reasonably priced when that's released.
I was on the edge of deciding to keep the funds I had for the DCU game and spend big when Fallout launches instead, now that's pretty much certain.
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 Motograter wrote:The new prices are gonna kill this. It was hard getting folk into the game with previous prices but these new prices are laughable £17 a single figure and between £32 - £45 for a basic crew. A lot of people are selling there stuff off. Knight just keep pushing folks away with the stupidity they show. It's like they want to be the gw of old it's just gw could get away with it. Knight are a tiny company that needs customers. The marvel fiasco, crap customer service and this ridiculous price rise is gonna hit them hard
I'm actually pretty happy with their customer service. I ordered the Suicide Squad boxed game from an online vendor and right after I got it KM re-released the version with Harley On Bomb. After a couple emails back and forth with one of the guys at KM, I was able to purchase a Harley On Bomb figure from them without having to get a whole new boxed set. In that order I also ordered a couple packs of dice. They sent one wrong pack, and as soon as I let them know they sent the correct pack out while allowing me to keep the wrong ones. All emails were friendly and they seemed happy to help me out.
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Post by: carlos13th
I feel pretty much the same as the rest of you guys about the new prices. I already thought it was a bit pricey but its way too much now. I may buy one or two more models to round out my BMG gangs but I certainly wont be starting anything new from Knights.
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Post by: ImAGeek
Doubt I'll get them with the new prices, but these models are pretty great
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Post by: jamopower
Well the licensed product has licensed product prices. No surprises there. That said, yes the prices are too high, but at least the number of models required is low. I guess also a big part of Knight customers are collectors who don't care about the game.
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Post by: Vain
I do like the alternate head options.
Keen to see how the prices shake out when they hit the wild.
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Post by: Compel
We haven't seen the rules for Armani Lex's warsuited buddies yet for DCU.
As exciting as it is to shout "KNEEL BEFORE ZOD," between Lex and Darkseid's release last month, plus the price rise it could very well be people end up being cautious and just saying, "I'll buy one..." (Or none)
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Post by: LunarSol
The prices are fairly high, but generally the direction we're seeing single model purchases go; particularly for these games that field less than a half dozen models. A lot of the prices would be more competitive if they did more bundle deals in general though.
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Post by: The Warp Forge
Yeah with all these 'big bads' coming out I wonder if or when we will see Braniac and his goons..........
Also have to wonder if Grodds been kept back because they want a re-sculpt of him in the Injustice 2 skin...
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Post by: Compel
It'd make more sense for them to just make an alternate Grodd for that.
If I were to hazard a guess, considering there's been a few models sighted over time, they're probably having game balance problems with them.
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It's also suggested that KM ate having trouble with Producing Grodd and crew. The fact that he has been photoed and printed would suggest that the model and rules have been approved.
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Post by: inmygravenimage
So:
https://www.knightmodels.com/batman-miniature-game/world-s-finest/
First of a number of planned free Digital expansions, with super team ups and specific scenarios. Looks to me to be a pretty smart move - free stuff is always going to be good. And Legends, so not usable in tournament play.
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Post by: Paradigm
That is seriously cool! Looks like a lot of thought has gone into making it really thematic and actually pretty balanced (especially the shared health bar and Kryptonite objectives)... I might have to pick up a Superman to run through a few games using this.
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I didn't expect them to make Zod and friends a full 50 point team in a box, that's really unexpected of them. - It might make the price increase more palatable for people too. "Yes, buy this one box and you can turn up to a tournament."
Conversely, I'm really surprised how cheap Lex and minions are. Essentially you take Doomsday, armoured Lex and the 4 minions and you're at 50 points. - And a whole heap of that is the insanity that is Doomsday.
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Lex is cheap at the BMG level, too.
Lex set, Lex big and Talia comes out to 350. Looks like KM is really trying to make "complete game sets" as easily as possible.
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Post by: AduroT
New FAQ up. Highlights include a couple of the Banes gaining Invulnerability while under the effects of Titan. Borj being nerfed such that he's only allowed a single piece of equipment now. Halt replaced with Stop, stronger effects, but limited to only 20cm range and requires active use.
https://www.knightmodels.com/app/download/25349779/FAQS+EnglishJune.pdf
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Post by: inmygravenimage
New Stop is excellent, and makes Killer Frost really scary (everyone forgets she has it...) plus in a SS list pair her with Black Manta... mwahahahahahha!
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Post by: drazz
DC Miniature Games tournament packs are about to be available. This will be the first set of these packs out in the world. (Remember, Marvel Universe Game is not, nor was it ever, a product of Knight models and never had a tournament pack.)
Exclusive model and cards (just like in BMG) to be released for these packs.
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Post by: Chairman Aeon
My knee jerk reaction is to also complain about prices, but then I just remembered I bought a single KD 40mm miniature with no game use for about $40 after shipping. Also one box in BMG and you're ready to play. It's not even expensive compared to 40K plastic squads, which you need boatloads of.
I like the look of Zod and friends...
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Post by: Compel
Zod and friends is a great set for the price conscious player, it's a tournament ready force in a single pack.
Similarly, Lex Corp is rather good for a player that cares about 'efficiency' (although it's not particularly cheap). - The Lexcorp set and the heavy trooper can be used in both the Batman and DC Universe game.
You could potentially go for:
Lexcorp set
Lexcorp Heavy Trooper
Ravager
And have a Batman gang, then you'd need maybe 1 more model at 15 points to have a DC Universe gang too (admittedly, there isn't really any individual models at that points level out... Yet.)
It's really quite a pity, with my local store mostly no longer ordering Knight Model minis due to the price rises, it's kinda a missed opportunity that the games are now an easier buy-in.
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^ That's a nice Lex Corp list.
I'm even less convinced about promo minis than cards, though the cards (excepting Borj) were never must-haves.
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drazz wrote:DC Miniature Games tournament packs are about to be available. This will be the first set of these packs out in the world. (Remember, Marvel Universe Game is not, nor was it ever, a product of Knight models and never had a tournament pack.)
I know they never made a tournament ruleset for it, but what do you mean the Marvel game was never a Knight product?
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A huge weakness of the Marvel game was that points didn't work out at all. I'm glad to see they're doing better with DC.
I'd have probably bought into Marvel had my forays into list building with it not regularly resulted in things like the 51 point X-Men list or the 47 points of Guardians available. Had the point scale been designed to drive the movie 6 Avengers to 50 points instead of an incredibly awkward 53 I think the game would have been an easier sell.
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Post by: AduroT
The DC version benefited greatly from being able to pull from the established BMMG to pad its roster and let you fill more of those odd points.
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Post by: drazz
 LunarSol wrote:A huge weakness of the Marvel game was that points didn't work out at all. I'm glad to see they're doing better with DC.
I'd have probably bought into Marvel had my forays into list building with it not regularly resulted in things like the 51 point X-Men list or the 47 points of Guardians available. Had the point scale been designed to drive the movie 6 Avengers to 50 points instead of an incredibly awkward 53 I think the game would have been an easier sell.
A bit of hyperbolie. I mean to say that Knight Models are officially out of the Marvel line, and anything to do with it. So, Marvel models will not be allowed in DCU games/tournies, there's no support for either the game or the models. It's a sore subject for a lot of us.
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Post by: LunarSol
drazz wrote:
A bit of hyperbolie. I mean to say that Knight Models are officially out of the Marvel line, and anything to do with it. So, Marvel models will not be allowed in DCU games/tournies, there's no support for either the game or the models. It's a sore subject for a lot of us.
I don't think success or failure had much to do with why they dropped the line. I'm just saying that the point layouts were a big reason I was waiting to see how the game evolved rather than buying in right away. I looked into it several times and the big drawback was just that nothing ever fit together comfortably, always coming in at awkward point values that were hard to match against. The DC line definitely benefited from having Batman stuff to draw from, but even just the 6 classic JL characters plus say... Green Arrow have more combinations that fit together nicely than I was able to do with the Marvel factions.
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Post by: em_en_oh_pee
Hey folks, fresh face on this thread. Getting into the DC game currently and was curious if there were any blogs for it - gaming and/or painting? Or is it too niche still?
I really would love to watch some tutorials, because the painting style on these has me worried.
Also, holy crap that Doomsday is rad. Any word on if they will be expanding into the other Lantern Corps?
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Post by: Compel
KM seem to be pretty schtum about upcoming models more than a month or three away.
I don't think there's any immediate hints about upcoming DC Universe models. - There's still a bunch of Batman models that haven't been released yet though. - EG Gorilla Grodd and friends, Hawk & Dove, Raven.
I imagine a few of them may end up being multiverse too, particularly Raven.
Here's todays preview though, a new sidekick for the Court of Owls.
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Post by: AduroT
My cynical side says unlikely unless they show up in a movie or video game. Knight doesn't seem to do much for current comic book characters.
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AduroT wrote:
My cynical side says unlikely unless they show up in a movie or video game. Knight doesn't seem to do much for current comic book characters.
Of the new Corps leaders, I'd not be surprised to see Atrocitus show up. He seems to be the one that gets the most attention; being in the animated series and even recently showing up in Injustice 2. Carol seems the next most likely to show up, perhaps as a neutral (though its been a long time since she's been at all villainous). I doubt we'll see Saint Walker any time soon and Indigo-1 seems to have fallen out of the universe altogether. Larfleeze would be super exciting and maybe could happen with the tendency to see villains with associated 3 man minion sets. I doubt we'll see extended Corps rosters for a long long time, though. Bleez and Arkillo seem to be the only two that have really established themselves, as Dex seems to have basically become a merged part of Atrocitus's character at this point.
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Post by: inmygravenimage
Hey gang, I've done a review of the June releases:
http://bigcomicpage.com/2017/06/12/geeking-out-krypton-ascendant/
Check it out, and you can win the Zod boxset
Compel is in, come on, all the cool kids are
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Post by: drazz
New tournament rules available for the DCU game.
Match level is now 60, building/terrain minimums are set, and 8 scenerios are set.
https://www.knightmodels.com/downloads/
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Post by: LunarSol
I quite like Reinforcements, though I think they need to be more in the +20 at Level 60 range to really provide options.
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The 60pt thing annoys me because I'd Just settled on and purchased and not even yet assembled a nice, themed 50pt list, and there range of models doesn't really support growing that theme to 60pts. Stupid unique character Parademons. Those things are supposed to be a horde. Three indiviguals does not a horde make.
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Post by: inmygravenimage
I agree, even more so when they've just released Zod as 50 pt starter.
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Post by: LunarSol
Yeah, there's definitely a lot of oddities with the timing of the bump. The Zod starter definitely seems a bit more awkward now. On the bright side, Darkseid +3 Parademons leaves a lot more room for something other than "and that weird villain that decided to be Darkseid's lacky".
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Post by: Compel
I'm choosing to think of it as "14 point Steppenwolf due next month."
Finding 10 points of Kryptonians for a suitable Zod addition seems awkward though, unless they do a support piece of that Doctor guy maybe?
Or maybe Supergirls aunt/uncle from season 1 of the show? But then, 10 points IS limiting and wouldn't do them justice.
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Post by: inmygravenimage
Yeah. But then again, Clayface. Not fluffy, but great.
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Post by: LunarSol
Fluffy is kind of an issue when you throw everything evil in the Red JL bucket. Darkseid and Zod basically exist to unite Superman and Luthor against a common foe from a fluff standpoint.
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Post by: AduroT
Granny Goodness and a trio of Furies would make a good Apokolips aligned four pack as well and start to give you some good variety for that faction.
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Post by: Paradigm
New Court of Owls set:  I'm surprised that the Owls now have 3 4-model sets and we still don't have Lincoln March as Talon yet.
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Post by: inmygravenimage
Well, we don't know what else we're getting next month (apart, probably, from Wonder Woman, and maybe Martian Manhunter). With the Penguin and Lex releases we've also had a big-fig - I wonder if that'll be Lincoln March. Also, what to me is more interesting, is that Parliament of Owls is very much a Rebirth thing. Who knows, maybe we'll get a Gray-Son
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Post by: LunarSol
Really more of a New 52 thing than Rebirth, IMO. At least, they're one of the more instantly classic additions in the New 52.
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Post by: em_en_oh_pee
Fingers crossed for Martian Manhunter!
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Post by: LunarSol
I'm very curious what the cost of the big 7 will be in total and if its a nice number to play a game at. I suppose with multiple Superman options that's in a bit of flux and we may see non-movie versions of Batman/Wonder Woman, but I'm still rather curious how the whole team will turn out.
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Post by: em_en_oh_pee
LunarSol wrote:
I'm very curious what the cost of the big 7 will be in total and if its a nice number to play a game at. I suppose with multiple Superman options that's in a bit of flux and we may see non-movie versions of Batman/Wonder Woman, but I'm still rather curious how the whole team will turn out.
Without MM, I have it at 74pt. I am guessing he will be 12-16pt himself, so tops out around 90?
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Post by: LunarSol
 em_en_oh_pee wrote: LunarSol wrote:
I'm very curious what the cost of the big 7 will be in total and if its a nice number to play a game at. I suppose with multiple Superman options that's in a bit of flux and we may see non-movie versions of Batman/Wonder Woman, but I'm still rather curious how the whole team will turn out.
Without MM, I have it at 74pt. I am guessing he will be 12-16pt himself, so tops out around 90?
Yup. Also 75 pts with the JL team card.
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Post by: inmygravenimage
So I had a game of DCU last night with a mate who is ex- GW, ran a comic / game store for years, loves DC and really intensely dislikes BMG. Full story over on my blog (hint) but tl;dr, we both loved it and it's going to be our go-to game for the foreseeable.
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/7800/300224.page#9443253
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Post by: LunarSol
Nice writeup! Replied with my own thoughts on the game as well. Appreciate the review.
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Post by: Compel
The new releases have been leaked from an order form and posted on Facebook.
Knight Models DC Universe: (Accessories) WONDER WOMAN MARKERS [June PreOrder]
Knight Models DC Universe: DOCTOR FATE [June PreOrder]
Knight Models DC Universe: MARTIAN MANHUNTER [June PreOrder]
Batman Miniature Game: WONDER WOMAN ON WAR HORSE [June PreOrder]
Batman Miniature Game: AMAZONS OF THEMYSCIRA [June PreOrder]
Batman Miniature Game: THE COURT OF OWLS CREW III [June PreOrder]
Naturally, we've seen the last of those already. Interestingly, we are getting Wonder Woman in BMG...
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Post by: em_en_oh_pee
Compel wrote:The new releases have been leaked from an order form and posted on Facebook.
Knight Models DC Universe: (Accessories) WONDER WOMAN MARKERS [June PreOrder]
Knight Models DC Universe: DOCTOR FATE [June PreOrder]
Knight Models DC Universe: MARTIAN MANHUNTER [June PreOrder]
Batman Miniature Game: WONDER WOMAN ON WAR HORSE [June PreOrder]
Batman Miniature Game: AMAZONS OF THEMYSCIRA [June PreOrder]
Batman Miniature Game: THE COURT OF OWLS CREW III [June PreOrder]
Naturally, we've seen the last of those already. Interestingly, we are getting Wonder Woman in BMG...
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
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Post by: LunarSol
Excited to see J'onn for sure. Really curious to see how Dr. Fate turns out as well.
Also curious if WW and the Amazonians will wind up being multiverse models. I haven't seen the prior solicitations to know if they've been separate before.
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Post by: inmygravenimage
I'm 100% they'll be Multiverse. I'm more interested, though, to know what faction they'll be for BMG.
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Post by: Compel
I'd warrant that they're their own faction. Potentially a faction that doesn't allow any free agents or the like to make up for the potential insanity that involves having Wonder Woman beating up street thugs.
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Post by: LunarSol
Potentially part of the Legends thing?
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Post by: drazz
Well, Court of Owls is the same.
Have their own equipment list, but can't take any other free agents.
Still, this is a bit of a surprise. And likely a one-off "faction." At least, in my mind.
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Post by: LunarSol
drazz wrote:Well, Court of Owls is the same.
Have their own equipment list, but can't take any other free agents.
Still, this is a bit of a surprise. And likely a one-off "faction." At least, in my mind.
LexCorp is also similar isn't it?
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Post by: inmygravenimage
With equipment card in the starter, also. Though LexCorp can run any cops or crime thanks to his Absolute Power.
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Post by: Alpharius
Here we go!
REALLY liking that Dr. Fate - curious as to how he'll be in game...
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
Is it just me or does the neck on the horse look really, really long? In fact the anatomy of the whole thing looks off.
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Post by: em_en_oh_pee
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:Is it just me or does the neck on the horse look really, really long? In fact the anatomy of the whole thing looks off.
...no? Looks like a rearing horse.
Also, DR FATE AND MARTIAN MANHUNTER LOOK AMAZING. So glad I waited to get my Justice League team... now I have two no-brainer must-buys to add to my purchase list.
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Post by: Paradigm
A very impressive set of releases indeed. MM, WW, Hypolita and the new CoO Talons are just awesome, and Doctor Fate I think just needs a slightly less bright paintscheme to be equally great.
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Post by: AduroT
I think the problem with the horse neck is the way the head is bent. It looks like instead of tilting the chin down they raised the back of the head up, giving it that too long neck appearance.
Everything otherwise looks pretty sweet. I'm having a knee jerk reaction to not wanting the Amazons in BMMG though, same as the Lex crew in all the power armor. They just don't feel right to me for the setting. The wider DCU game sure, just not "Batman".
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Post by: inmygravenimage
Remember they're a Legend pack, so not outside fun games
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Post by: LunarSol
Super excited about J'onn for sure. Great looking model.
Dr. Fate is a weird one. I'll probably pick him up based on that terrific model alone, but I've never felt like the character has ever gotten his big break and I don't NEED him in the JL the way I need some of the others.
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Post by: em_en_oh_pee
LunarSol wrote:Super excited about J'onn for sure. Great looking model.
Dr. Fate is a weird one. I'll probably pick him up based on that terrific model alone, but I've never felt like the character has ever gotten his big break and I don't NEED him in the JL the way I need some of the others.
Is it weird most of my love for his character came out of Young Justice and the JL cartoon?
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Post by: LunarSol
em_en_oh_pee wrote: LunarSol wrote:Super excited about J'onn for sure. Great looking model.
Dr. Fate is a weird one. I'll probably pick him up based on that terrific model alone, but I've never felt like the character has ever gotten his big break and I don't NEED him in the JL the way I need some of the others.
Is it weird most of my love for his character came out of Young Justice and the JL cartoon?
Not at all. Animated DC has often been the best DC.  Automatically Appended Next Post: On that note, Dr Fate makes me hope we'll see characters like Constantine, Zatanna, Deadman and the Spectre soon.
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Post by: Compel
I'm going to link the rules for the various models rather than paste the images, cause they're really huge...
Martian Manhunter - Essentially, the old Vision but on steroids. 15 points.
Doctor Fate - All the magical attacks. All of them.
The Amazons
DC Universe: Hippolyta, 12 points. Leadership type character. All Magical Attacks. Amazons, 7 points, broadly speaking 2 damage magical attacks with superjump, high attack stats and strength 3.
Batman: Hippolyta is a legend. The set of Hippolyta and 3 Amazons comes to 350 points.
I'll post Wonder Woman on horse, because she needs to be seen to be believed.
The various special rules and things for Batman are available here: https://www.knightmodels.com/app/download/26473001/KM+Battle+Pack+Wonder+Woman1.1.pdf
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Post by: em_en_oh_pee
LunarSol wrote: em_en_oh_pee wrote: LunarSol wrote:Super excited about J'onn for sure. Great looking model.
Dr. Fate is a weird one. I'll probably pick him up based on that terrific model alone, but I've never felt like the character has ever gotten his big break and I don't NEED him in the JL the way I need some of the others.
Is it weird most of my love for his character came out of Young Justice and the JL cartoon?
Not at all. Animated DC has often been the best DC.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
On that note, Dr Fate makes me hope we'll see characters like Constantine, Zatanna, Deadman and the Spectre soon.
YES, YES AND YES!
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Post by: AduroT
Personally i say forget new heros, I want a four pack of two male and two female cops henchmen.
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Cool. Nice to see all the effort into blending the games. Really helps drum up interest in both.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
On a side note, I really hope Nightwing gets some DCU rules soon. Maybe with Raven?
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Post by: inmygravenimage
Raven will be in Magic. Dark justice. Or whatever they decide to call it.
But yeah, the more crossover the better. Interesting we now have 2 versions of Deadshot. Time for some mathhammer!
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Post by: Compel
I dunno if Nightwing will get any rules, or at least the 2 models we have.
Someone please correct me, but as far as I can tell, none of the "Arkham X" models have been given any rules yet for DC Universe, except maybe Ra's and Bane but even then, how close are they to comic depictions anyways.
Most things have either been a comics model, or a film model - Not even any of the TV models have yet.
I'm imagining this isn't a coincidence.
It'd be nice if they put the Suicide Squad cards in the Suicide Squad box. It might make the £90 box of 13 models more appealing...
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Post by: LunarSol
inmygravenimage wrote:Raven will be in Magic. Dark justice. Or whatever they decide to call it.
But yeah, the more crossover the better. Interesting we now have 2 versions of Deadshot. Time for some mathhammer!
This is another one of those confusing releases where everything totals up to an awkward number (53?). It seems really weird when you consider that they upped the power of 2 of the characters by 2 points each and could have easily designed them down to a size that supported playing them as a team. I... guess? adding the Joker gets you to 60, but likely we'll see rules soon for an 8 point Leto-Joker.
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Post by: Compel
I think it's one of those things where they leave headroom for either personal flavour, or future characters. - Potentially right now, you could put the Killer Frost model in the squad to go up to 59 too.
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Compel wrote:I think it's one of those things where they leave headroom for either personal flavour, or future characters. - Potentially right now, you could put the Killer Frost model in the squad to go up to 59 too.
Old thought, but the issue I've always had with the points is that you can always choose to add personal flavor regardless of what things cost, but what you can't often do is run the thematic team the way they set things up. Current model dragging out this frustration in me is Catwoman. If she was 5 points it would be a huge boon to the villain side in terms of filler options.
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Post by: inmygravenimage
Ugh. Batmite gencon exclusive multiverse promo.
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Post by: Alpharius
I'm sorry but...what?
[Insert "Pic or it didn't happen" meme here]
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Post by: Compel
Here it is
Can't say I'm rushing to this one, even if it wasn't a Gencon only model. - It doesn't exactly encourage the theme for my games.
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Thank you Compel - and yeah, no big need for that one...
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Post by: 455_PWR
Sooo... many of us purchased or preordered items to get past knight models exclusives (red hood joker, etc). Then they release all the exclusives so anyone can get them, making them widely available to players (guess i shouldn'thave purchased one of the original 500 red hood jokers for $130, damn). Now they have exclusive minis again (Shazam guy, bat mite, monster t, etc...)
Make up your mind KM! Either have exclusives or don't!
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Post by: inmygravenimage
Apologies for being vague! I just hope it's not broken...
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Post by: em_en_oh_pee
Yup. Getting Grodd and Batman. Love the Rebirth style!
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Post by: rybackstun
It's nice that they are bundling some of the Free Agents in BMG and giving them their DCUMG cards with the package, it's not so nice that they'll be bumped up to the new pricing scheme.
EDIT: Apparently I am wrong, the packs are actually LESS than buying them separately.
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Post by: inmygravenimage
GRODD is resin, btw.
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Post by: Compel
Yeah, Grodds set says resin. Gorilla shaman says plastic-resin.
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Post by: LunarSol
Really nice set of models. Sadly, I've already got Green Arrow and Flash, but the Villain set looks good.
Weirdly, Hawkman and Killer Frost have different rules. I'm not sure if those are supposed to be errata or what. Killer Frost in particular is actually a different version of the character that she was in the rulebook.
The others appear the same at first glance, but its hard to tell.
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Post by: Compel
All of the models have slightly different and updated rules. - They're essentially Errata.
EG Both the Flashes gain "Irresistable" in their once per game attack. And Professor Zoom gains more power.
Green Arrow has some updated wording too and +1 stun on his punch arrow (goes from stun/2 to stun/3)
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Post by: tpryan01
I am hearing that the "Bat-Mite" promo will be for sale...but KM will NOT be at Gencon?
Any idea WHO will be selling it?
will there be demos / tournaments / events for any of the KM games?
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Post by: MrFlutterPie
Just picked up my Warhorse WW and the Amazons.
Absolutely beautiful models
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
tpryan01 wrote:I am hearing that the "Bat-Mite" promo will be for sale...but KM will NOT be at Gencon?
Any idea WHO will be selling it?
will there be demos / tournaments / events for any of the KM games?
Miniature Market will be giving it away with $100 purchases of knight models products (their email didn't mention if they would also be selling it too, but you could drop them a line and ask since they're clearly going to have it)
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Post by: em_en_oh_pee
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:tpryan01 wrote:I am hearing that the "Bat-Mite" promo will be for sale...but KM will NOT be at Gencon?
Any idea WHO will be selling it?
will there be demos / tournaments / events for any of the KM games?
Miniature Market will be giving it away with $100 purchases of knight models products (their email didn't mention if they would also be selling it too, but you could drop them a line and ask since they're clearly going to have it)
Can you post that email?
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Post by: inmygravenimage
It's also up in the Facebook group. $15 or free with $100 purchase. Booth 2703, hall F.
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Post by: em_en_oh_pee
Oh, so only at the convention? Because I made an order today. Drat.
I mean... I needed the stuff anyway and wouldn't be at the Con anyhow. C'est la vie.
On an aside, DR FATE ORDERED! Along with like... almost the whole Justice League roster. I am so pumped.
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Post by: Compel
em_en_oh_pee wrote:
On an aside, DR FATE ORDERED! Along with like... almost the whole Justice League roster. I am so pumped.
That depends on the roster
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Post by: em_en_oh_pee
I did order GL, Hawkgirl, MM, Supes, Flash....
I am waiting on the Rebirth Batman to hit and I didn't order WW yet either (not sure why, lol). I also grabbed Shazam, Aquaman, and Hawkman for my goodguy teams.
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Post by: drazz
A few of the BMG to DC cards have been updated. It looks like Killer Frost is one of those.
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Post by: em_en_oh_pee
Teasing the next release and holy crap ATROCITUS!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: LunarSol
I hope there's an option to put Dex Starr on his shoulder.
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Post by: em_en_oh_pee
I hope they do an entire release for Dex-Starr. Anything else is a disservice.
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Post by: LunarSol
I agree, I just don't want to wait that long. I mean, we haven't even seen a second Earth GL. I have no idea how long it will take to see support for the other Corps.
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Also...
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Oooh!
They're doing the 'antimatter universe' group?!?
That may be just the thing for me!
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Post by: LunarSol
A kryptonian that's healed by kryptonite has potential. I'll hate that they work with Lex though.
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Post by: Compel
We've not seen the rules yet. - There may very well be an "Aversion: Alexander Luthor."
Or, they could just end up being their own Crime Syndicate faction.
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Post by: inmygravenimage
I suspect they'll be a team card, not a new faction. They are trying to avoid that for dcumg.
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Post by: rybackstun
August release email is out.
Superwoman, Ultraman, Power Ring three pack and Owlman and Johnny Quick minis for Crime Syndicate. Owl and JQ have BMG rules.
Atrocitus
Repacks for Suicide Squad, Teen Titans, and Birds of Prey
SS: Deadshot, Captain Boomerang, Katana
TT: Kid Flash, Cyborg, Starfire
BoP: Huntress, Hawkgirl, Black Canary
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Post by: Paradigm
Glad to see more repacks, with the price increases a while back 3 minis for the price of 2 is much more palatable. Surprised the BoP one has Hawk Girl instead of Batgirl though... maybe she's being saved for a Bat-family pack.
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Funny way to see Talon finally make it into the game... Automatically Appended Next Post: Compel wrote:We've not seen the rules yet. - There may very well be an "Aversion: Alexander Luthor."
Or, they could just end up being their own Crime Syndicate faction.
And the answer is both!
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Post by: inmygravenimage
 Paradigm wrote:Glad to see more repacks, with the price increases a while back 3 minis for the price of 2 is much more palatable. Surprised the BoP one has Hawk Girl instead of Batgirl though... maybe she's being saved for a Bat-family pack.
It's huntress in the BoP pack.
Also, Crime Syndicate is a new dcumg faction, though also Evil aligned too.
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Paradigm wrote:Glad to see more repacks, with the price increases a while back 3 minis for the price of 2 is much more palatable. Surprised the BoP one has Hawk Girl instead of Batgirl though... maybe she's being saved for a Bat-family pack.
My annoyance is still in the lack of Nightwing for DC.
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Post by: Compel
This was just revealed on the Arkham City Limits page.
Precoloured Resin sculpts.
There's also confirmation that the "Batman Miniatures Game 2nd Edition" is being worked on.
"Second Edition will have lots of surprises! New prices! New products! New rules! New everything!"
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Oh my!
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Post by: LunarSol
I am very interested in what happens here. It's a game that could absolutely explode with a more user friendly edition.
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Post by: Dark Severance
I definitely prefer resin over metal the majority of the time.
My concerns are since their metal was higher priced than average metal miniatures, how much higher will their resin be. If their prices put them back in range of other miniatures then that could be good boon for them.
I also have a concern for quality control and detail. The image looks great, which is good and it carries over well into the resin. Their metal miniatures though aren't the greatest in terms of 'detail' when you compare them to something like Infinity miniatures, however, I believe that is mostly due to the original sculpt that KM had done. Providing they learned from that and improved it, then this will be great.
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Given than (if I'm remembering right) the recent price rises were in part attributed to the higher cost of metal, I'd not be averse to the introduction of resin as a way to bring the end price down, assuming the quality holds up. It'd also get around the balance problems some of the heavier models (and their capes!) have.
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 Dark Severance wrote:I definitely prefer resin over metal the majority of the time.
My concerns are since their metal was higher priced than average metal miniatures, how much higher will their resin be. If their prices put them back in range of other miniatures then that could be good boon for them.
I also have a concern for quality control and detail. The image looks great, which is good and it carries over well into the resin. Their metal miniatures though aren't the greatest in terms of 'detail' when you compare them to something like Infinity miniatures, however, I believe that is mostly due to the original sculpt that KM had done. Providing they learned from that and improved it, then this will be great.
Part of their problem with detail was poor QC and running the molds way too long instead of replacing them. Seeing their one cherry picked fig with crisp clean detail is like cool, I'd expect that. What Really matters though it what the customers are getting three months later.
As far as second edition, I'm starting to get Spartan vibes with the rate they churn out books and rules revisions for their game.
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The "second edition" is likely not going to change any rules. Its going to be the same game. They have been working on what will essentially be a compendium for a while now. Don't expect streamlined rules, but you should be able to finally walk into a store and play with only one book.
The resin models are a concern for me. Their QC has been Atrociuous (ha! He's on the last page!) since the beginning. And I'm talking before BMG was even a thing. So, I'm very worried about what they think will be a quality model.
Looking at the master they are showing (blue Batman), I don;t think its up to their normal sculpting. And are all the models going to be one piece now? I enjoy the hobby for two reasons: gameplay and pretty models. The game is not perfect, and single peice models will not do it for me.
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Post by: .Mikes.
Compel wrote:
There's also confirmation that the "Batman Miniatures Game 2nd Edition" is being worked on.
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I just bought the current rules, so of course this would get announced now.
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They say they're working on it, and with Harry Potter due in the Autumn, I would imagine that we won't see 2nd edition until about February at the earliest.
So there's still plenty of time to make use of the book at least - If I'm right, there's still like 1/3rd of an edition of 40k left. 
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drazz wrote:The "second edition" is likely not going to change any rules. Its going to be the same game.
A guy from Knight models on the FB groups said (and I quote) "Second Edition will have lots of new surprises. New rules. New miniatures. New prices. New everything."
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Post by: Ben2
That's also meant to be pre-coloured plastic, not resin. So maybe expect a plastic starter at a semi reasonable price. The price for metals has been astronomical.
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Post by: inmygravenimage
The 3 packs of themed characters will be £30/€30 afaik. (3 for 2 essentially). I should be getting review copies of resin/plastic in the next week or so, so I'll keep y'all posted.
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Post by: angel of death 007
With them recently raising prices on their multipacks they need to do something to stay competitive. Their distribution already had serious issues which killed it in my area. Raising their prices on models that are very limited to get anywhere wasn't the best business practice. They need to find a cheaper way to get their product more mainstream and pass that savings along. And the losing Marvel miniatures didn't help their popularity.
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Post by: Paradigm
Official 2nd Edition announcement:
Via KM's Facebook:
The Future is… Knight!
Citizens of Gotham, pay close attention! Things may never be the same again…
Since the release of the Batman Miniature Game five years ago, we’ve seen a lot of changes here at Knight Models. The games has gone from strength-to-strength, with a hardback core rulebook, two expansions, and the successful launch of the Batmatch organized play rules, helping to grow our amazing community around the world.
Well, we have not rested on our laurels. Something new and very, very exciting is happening to our favourite game.
We are delighted to announce the imminent arrival of the
2nd Edition Batman Miniature Game rules.
This lavish rulebook will be the culmination of thousands of games, and feedback from our customers.
Fear not: it is still the game you know and love, with its street-level strategic action in Gotham’s darkened alleyways, but we’ve taken the opportunity to streamline the mechanics, making the rules more intuitive and even more fun, and we’ve
consolidated a lot of hard-to- find rules and Traits into one mighty tome. We think players new and old will love it!
But that’s not all – far from it! The launch of the new edition will be spearheaded by brand new miniatures, representing the pinnacle of our studio’s output.
The new models will be produced in high-quality, coloured resin. Knight Models was founded on a love of display-
quality models, and we think painters and modelers will agree that these new miniatures are the best we’ve ever produced.
And if you’re a veteran Knight Models hobbyist, rest assured that every model from our current range will be 100% compatible with the new rules, and we’re working to ensure that your existing expansion books – such as the Arkham Knight Campaign Book – are still completely valid when the new edition hits the shelves.
Keep your eyes on the Knight Models website and our social media channels for teasers and previews. There’s a lot to look forward to!
And the first new model shown, a new take on Big Bane
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That's a nice Bane.
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Yeah, I much prefer that to the Arkham City one, and being resin rather than metal means I'd actually consider buying it... I have nightmares about metal models that size, but resin should do nicely.
I wonder if the DCUMG releases will also switch over to resin, or whether they'll stay in metal for whatever reason?
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Post by: em_en_oh_pee
I hope that Bane gets DCUMG rules. Such a gorgeous model.
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Post by: Paradigm
Couple more things from their FB comments:
- Release date for this is September, so resin minis and the new rules are coming next month (so before the Potter stuff)
- Somewhat unrelated, but they mentioned in reply to someone that the Justice League Dark are in the works for DCUMG.
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Post by: .Mikes.
So the book I just bougth two weeks ago will be redundant in just over one month at the latest?
That's bollocks.
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Post by: tpryan01
that rulebook is 5 years old. it was very much due for a second edition.
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Post by: AduroT
Actually the current rulebook is only just over two years old, from the first quarter of 2015. Unless you count Suicide Squad as the current rulebook, which came out 2016. I mean if this new one is second edition, then we've already been thru 1, 1.1, and 1.2 at least.
For new news, they've moved a Ton of models to direct order only. Off hand I noticed every single Law figure except the recent QRT are in there, as well as both Ivys now. Wonder if we'll get resculpts of those characters or just different versions.
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Is there a complete list anywhere of what's being moved to DO? I'd guess it's probably a big chunk of the earlier sculpts that are getting on for 5 years old at this point and are probably near the front of the queue for a resculpt. I'd not be surprised to see some of the Arkham City stuff get revisited in the 'new' range.
Funny that both Ivys are gone now, I wonder what that's in aid of... Possibly an Injustice version coming soon, she's pretty different-looking to the Arkham/Comic ones?
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https://knightmodels-store.com/Legends
I believe it's Killer Croc and everything beyond.
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Post by: Paradigm
Some surprisingly recent stuff there! Especially odd to see a whole load of models with no alternate versions like Two-face, Speedy, Black Mask, Grundy, Clayface ect...
I hope they can get around to replacing these sooner rather than later...
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Post by: LunarSol
Wow, that's like... the whole line.
The game really needs a new edition but this feels a little worryingly rushed. Maybe not, but September doesn't feel like there will be the kind of changes I think the game really needs.
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Post by: Compel
The Poison Ivy and Plant Slaves seems really weird. - I'm pretty sure I remember her being released and I haven't been in the game that long all things considered. Same with the Black Mask crew.
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Post by: NobodyXY
Huh I've been thinking about getting the suicide box set, some TTCombat terrain and a 90cmx90cm mat. All things considered it isn't the expensive to fill such a small table area.
Is there anything I should know when building a table? I want to do it right.
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Post by: .Mikes.
The SS box only includes counters for one side, so factor that in when you're getting additional terrain.
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Post by: inmygravenimage
I would look.seriously at Red Beam Designs. Their stuff for BMG is awesome.
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Post by: inmygravenimage
So: September brings 2nd edition.
Tl;Dr -
- Free downloadable rulebook.
- Coloured Resin miniatures.
- Lower in price.
Much like the original edition, a streamlined version of the rules will be available for free download. Also, 2nd edition doesn't negate Flash/Arrow and Arkham Campaign.
Out of the box, models are coloured by faction to add to ease of play. We know that Bats will be Blue and Grodd seems to be light Grey. Oh, and yes, the models will be cheaper than they are at present (though the 3 for 2 metal boxsets of teams such as Birds of Prey, Teen Titans etc will continue). Also, Justice League Dark is definitely in the pipeline.
So there you go!
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That does all sound pretty great. Free rules will be a big help (the rulebook is nice, but pricey!) and cheaper minis can only be a good thing.
Does anyone have the Grodd set yet? Any thoughts on if KM's resin production is up to scratch?
Also, for those in the know, is the plan for all the metals to go direct only and be replaced with resins, or just the older ones?
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All metals up to and including Killer Croc iirc. Not got Grodd to review yet but folk seem generally positive.
Yeah, generally news seems good
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Post by: Compel
I've also read (disappointing) rumours that the Suicide Squad box is going to be fully decommissioned due to the licensing costs involved of dealing with actors likenesses.
Which is a bad sign for future content, too.
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@GravenImage
Thanks for the suggestion!
@Compel
That really sucks I was hoping to get at least Jared Joker and Batfleck. I was hoping they'd make it into resin.
I wonder what the starter will be based on?
If Knight is smart they'll release a line of cardboard buildings either in the starter and/or as a stand a lone product.
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Post by: Paradigm
I'm amazed the cardboard buildings from the SS box never went on general sale. They're not as flashy as MDF but they get the job done, especially for terrain-lazy folks like me. 4-5 pf those and some scatter terrain does you a board.
I'm up for a new starter if it can match the SS box for value, but yeah, it's a shame to see that go, it's a great set of minis. I guess if licensing is an ongoing issue I better nab the BvS Trinity set ASAP... Also somewhat dashes my hopes for a DCU starter tied into Justice League.
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Post by: inmygravenimage
I suspect a new starter box is in the works. Mark Latham (designer of AK, amongst other things ) intimated that he was working on a Big Justice League... thing. Personally, I'd like a dual BMG/dcumg starter.
The problem with a justice league starter, though, is who do you include? Bat, Flash, Cyborg?
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Post by: Paradigm
In terms of the 3-model sets, the Trinity set works well enough as a JL starter for DCU. What I'd love to see though is a box like the SS one with the whole League vs Steppenwolf and half a dozen Parademons or something. A proper 2-player starter set rather than just a team starter.
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Post by: inmygravenimage
Addendum: all heroes are one faction (Blue!), The Brave and The Bold. Models keep their existing ranks, but can work together otherwise. What the impact will be on equipment, and whether there will be bonuses for staying "mono" (to use a MTG term) is another matter. As for villains, nothing confirmed beyond something similar, though I'd wager Jokes (purple?) and Riddles (green?), plus "Other" (grey) for Grodd et al.
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Post by: Paradigm
Pretty interesting idea, I'm not strongly for or against it but more freedom is never a bad thing. From what KM are saying the villains can pool models in the same way, which might make switching crews easier; rather than needing to buy a new Assault Rifle Guy for a Two-face, Black Mask or Crime crew, you can presumably just use the one you have with the boss of your choice. After all, a dude in a suit with a gun is a dude in a suit with a gun. So yeah, I'm up for a more modular approach to team-building.
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Post by: LunarSol
I pretty much own Brave and the Bold as is simply because the only difference between the factions is something like 2-3 unique models for Law and Arrow a piece.
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Post by: Paradigm
Next teaser, bit of an overhaul to movement. Short version is that measurement is done in inches rather than cm now and instead of random movement from spending MC, you add 2" to the base 4" movement.
With the advent of the 2nd Edition of Batman Miniature Game come the consecrated changes in the rules and the way of playing. One of the great aspects that we wanted to simplify and improve were the measurements and movement of the models by the gaming table; let's see these changes:
The most significant and important change is that we have changed the measurement system from centimeters to inches (marked with the symbol “), which is one of the most used measurement systems in miniature games and we want the most comfort for our players.
Before, a normal model moved 10 centimeters and could see another enemy in the night of Gotham at 30 cm; now it will move 4” and will see at 12”.
In the previous Edition, the Action Counters assigned on a model to the Movement Skill (called MC) could be used to throw six-sided dices and add the results to its basic movement distance, being an interesting randomize option but makes feel the game complicated. Now the system has been simplified so that, for each MC spent, the model adds 2" to its basic movement distance.
With this change you will know exactly how far you will move in youractivation, being able to accurately calculate your moves and making the enemy know how far the danger is lurking!
Not a fan of this. The semi-random movement introduced a lot of tension, not knowing until you roll whether you can reach the target or whether you'll be left in the open, not knowing if you can get out of range of a weapon before it fires or close the gap to stop an enemy firing ect. Using MC was always a nice gambling mechanic so I'm somewhat saddened to see it go.
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Post by: .Mikes.
Seconded. The tension of me sending in Titan Bane, only to roll just short was often memorable.
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Also, I really hope the English version is better than that Google Translate attempt.
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Post by: inmygravenimage
Just got an exclusive for my next bigcomicpage.com article, Joker is not merging with any other crews - even wonderland - and ISN'T the only crew in that position.
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Post by: LunarSol
Glad to see the MC rule change. It's not so much that I hated the random roll, just that a random roll in cm is abysmal. On the average, models just move way too slow and spending counters to have a decent chance of not even moving a base length made it so a character would often just become completely baffled by a lamp post or something and spend their turn glitched out stuck on the corner of a building or something.
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Post by: .Mikes.
inmygravenimage wrote:Just got an exclusive for my next bigcomicpage.com article, Joker is not merging with any other crews - even wonderland - and ISN'T the only crew in that position.
How would that work with the good guys / ad guys approach though? It sounded like all bad/good crews could work with the same?
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Post by: LunarSol
.Mikes. wrote: inmygravenimage wrote:Just got an exclusive for my next bigcomicpage.com article, Joker is not merging with any other crews - even wonderland - and ISN'T the only crew in that position.
How would that work with the good guys / ad guys approach though? It sounded like all bad/good crews could work with the same?
They said they're merging all the good guys. They didn't say anything about doing the same to the bad guys.
Which makes sense; the good guys separation was pretty non-existent.
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OK, looks like I misread that.
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Post by: Paradigm
This is the exact quote from the KM page
' Do you want to see how Spartan and Gordon work together? Or check if the Two-Face and Black Mask thugs can team up without resorting to infighting? Keep reading!'
That second bit implies that bad guys will be able to cooperate to some extent, though if I were to guess I'd say that's more for the crime boss types like Black Mask and Penguin than the more out-there ones like Joker or Riddler.
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^ Yeah. Here come the black and whites.
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Clarification on the crew situation.
Short version:
- Ivy>Gotham City Sirens
-Organised Crime now includes Two-face, Black Mask and LexCorp, though strangely not Penguin unless they just missed him
-Mad Hatter is now a Free Agent, not a Boss.
In our second new-look crew showcase, we take a look at some more crews that have undergone some changes.
The Poison Ivy crew has been renamed the Sirens, allowing a much greater variety of thematic options within the game. The 2nd edition launch will include several starter sets, one of which will be an excellent example of this deadly new crew, containing the three Arkham City versions of the Sirens – Poison Ivy, Harley Quinn and Catwoman (even if that union is a little crazy!).
Organized Crime has undergone a major overhaul, increasing its options and allowing several powerful alliance. This faction brings together Gotham’s greatest mobsters from the existing Organized Crime crew, Two-Face and Black Mask.
Although these crime-bosses frequently squabble, they’re also united in their lust for power and wealth, and their hatred for Batman. With the new Organized Crime Affiliation, new alliances emerge, allowing for characters such as Hugo Strange to join with Two-Face, or for Carmine Falcone to call in the Penguin (Gotham TV Series) to help him attend to his ‘business matters’.
Finally, in an effort to add variety to the ranks of Gotham’s freaks, we’ve decided to change the Mad Hatter’s Rank from Leader to Free Agent, allowing this manic milliner to align himself with any number of villainous crews. As a stalwart of Batman’s rogue’s gallery, the Mad Hatter also gains the Hates: Brave and the Bold trait, cementing his place as one of Gotham’s most wanted. “But what about his crew?” we hear you cry! Fear not – all of the Mad Hatter’s gang get the Organized Crime Affiliation. In addition, Tweedle-Dum and Tweedle-Dee keep Affiliation: Joker, while White Rabbit keeps Affiliation: Bane.
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Now that's kinda good news for me. My 2 side-gangs were Two-Face and Poison Ivy.
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Post by: drazz
Came to answer a question from last page:
I got my Grodd crew this week. And the plastic/resin is a mixed bag so far.
Positives:
--easier to work with than the metal
--fits together nicely (again, as opposed to the metal)
--decently detailed
Cons:
--not as much detail as the metal models
--way more flash than the metal (literally every piece had to be trimmed)
--more pitting than I saw in any of the metal
In the end, its hopefully going to be significantly cheaper (though, I'm picturing single models still being in the high teens $ and the 4 man squads in the low $30's; basically bringing us back to the metal prices of last year before the price increase). But, the KM quality control still looks like its not a priority at all.
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Post by: AduroT
But, the KM quality control still looks like its not a priority at all.
That talk got me banned from the official fan Facebook page.
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Post by: .Mikes.
I got removed for posting a Death STroke paint guide on a none-KM model (there was no guide for the KM model). Whoever the admin was they were touchy as hell.
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Post by: AduroT
Yeah, no warning or notice I had been banned and the Admin, Bruno Diaz, hasn't responded to my inquiry on what rule I was breaking. Rather annoying that he gets to be an official voice for the company but he'll ban you for any dissent.
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Post by: Compel
I would think it unlikely that Bruno Diaz would ban someone (not saying it's impossible, but it's unlikely), I would imagine he's too busy doing, like, his job....
Drew is the main guy who does the day to day and would more likely be the one doing those sorts of admin duties.
But seriously though fowks, for all KM's faults, which is a fair amount, posting pictures of a rival companies model on their official group, or any companies official group/forum was never going to get a positive reaction, no matter how good the paint job.
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Post by: .Mikes.
"Anyone got a guide on how to paint Deathstroke?"
"Yes."
"Care to share?"
"We can't."
"Why?"
"Because other companies don't exist, and you'd be a fool or a communist to suggest so."
"OK, how about sharing a guide on a KM model?"
"There isn't one."
"OK, so can I see the-"
"Commie!"
Sorry mate, but that's a fairly lame excuse. They were hyper sensitive on that page. Less so now, but at the time you'd be removed for anything less than total, unwavering praise.
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.Mikes. wrote:"Anyone got a guide on how to paint Deathstroke?"
"Yes."
"Care to share?"
"We can't."
"Why?"
"Because other companies don't exist, and you'd be a fool or a communist to suggest so."
"OK, how about sharing a guide on a KM model?"
"There isn't one."
"OK, so can I see the-"
"Commie!"
Sorry mate, but that's a fairly lame excuse. They were hyper sensitive on that page. Less so now, but at the time you'd be removed for anything less than total, unwavering praise.
um...several people were JUST banned for comments made on ANOTHER (unofficial) FB page so...yeah still wound too tight. 
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Post by: .Mikes.
Also crouching still costs 1sc, and falling damage has been changed a little and will be in a chart.
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Post by: AduroT
Confirmation that Crouching is a bonus to Defense and not a Ping! modification. Are Ping!s even still in the game? "Who knows..."
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Pings are (were?) pretty abstract, but given how scenery dense Batman can get I feel it added something. I hope they stay.
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Post by: inmygravenimage
Pings are still in afaik from conversation with Viktor (one of the designers). Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, new joker starter:
And those are New clowns - not resculpts!
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Post by: Ben2
Which looks great, but is there just going to be a £50-60 starter I can buy with everything I need to play in? Like 40k, WM, Dropzone, Dropfleet, SW Legion, etc etc.
And the metals are now 50 euros for 4, which is insane for things like the blackgate prisoners set. I have a decent amount of the metals, but not enough to play standard size BMG games (DCUMG I totally can though).
I'd like to get into BMG, but until the next edition the rules are split over a couple of books.
Has there been a release list and prices yet, given September is next week?
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Post by: tpryan01
I would expect a 2 player starter but you can't really tell with KM.
I know it's not fair to compare FFG to KM but I am going to anyway.
We know exactly what is in the Star Wars Legion game coming out late 2017/early 2018...we have very little idea about BMG 2.0 out in 30-40 days.
(and no ability to pre-order yet)
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Post by: Paradigm
Not too keen on the goons, but that Joker is great, the original Arkham City one was always the best but now he's got competition. Given that that is still the Arkham look, I wonder if he'll be yet another variant rules-wise or if he'll 'adopt' the discontinued original's rules.
I'd expect a 2-player starter simply as this whole thing seems to be about making the game a bit more accessible. Also, if the rumours around the SSquad box being shelved are true, they'll want something to fill that gap. That, or they're going to go with what they did with the Marvel game and bundle a mini-rulebook in with the crew starter sets.
I think the best thing for this new edition launch, though, would be to have new resin crew starters up and running for most or all of the major crews from the word go... it's a big ask, but if they could get out Joker, Penguin, Crime, Bane, League and Batman starters next month then they'd have a solid foundation to build from. Canning the majority of the old stuff leaves a gap that needs to be filled ASAP if they're going to capitalise on pulling new players in with this new edition; you pretty much can't start a Two-face, Black Mask, Bane crew at this point without going direct to KM which is a pain for Europe and pretty much unfeasible for the US/Canada and Australia/NZ.
Short pre-order times don't bother me so much, I'd rather there be a month between reveal and release and still be excited for the product than hear about something 3-4 months out and lose all enthusiasm by the time it actually launches.
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Post by: AduroT
They've said it's a new version of Joker.
Also, they've clarified that Hatter is still a Leader for Wonderland. He's merely gaining Free Agent as well.
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Post by: drazz
A resin starter for each main group by the end of the year would be fine.
No prices set yet.
No preorders yet.
Our first "new" resin looks good, but Grodd looked good too, until in my hands.
And comparing KM to FFG; KM has always leaned on the excuse that they are gamers and not busincessmen, but 5 years of running a gaming business should mean you learn something. I'm willing to still give them a bit of slack, but my KM budget has certainly been cut significantly over the course of this year. I used to buy everything, now its maybe 1-2 items every other month.
Monolith is right around the corner as well.
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Post by: AduroT
It was brought up on the previous page but yeah, apparently the admin of Arkham City Limits, the independently run Facebook group that Knight designated as the official Facebook group, has been going super ban happy, removing anyone that speaks negative about the company even if the comments were made in other groups. There's a discussion on it in a pinned topic in the trade group.
https://m.facebook.com/groups/481515565322313
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Post by: fattdex
Ha, the ACL group has been that way for years. I left it 3 years ago and started a batman australia group for locals, somebody made a post about the ACL admin being a spank there recently, and he magically turned up to argue about it. No, I am sure it is everybody else who is wrong.
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Post by: .Mikes.
fattdex wrote:Ha, the ACL group has been that way for years. I left it 3 years ago and started a batman australia group.
Got a link?
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Too hard to link from mobile, you can search fb for "batman miniatures game australia"
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tpryan01 wrote:I would expect a 2 player starter but you can't really tell with KM.
I know it's not fair to compare FFG to KM but I am going to anyway.
We know exactly what is in the Star Wars Legion game coming out late 2017/early 2018...we have very little idea about BMG 2.0 out in 30-40 days.
(and no ability to pre-order yet)
Well to order from their site when they become available for preorder from the time they are released you wait approximately 3 weeks after the actual release to get them and pay an obnoxious amount for shipping. Usually about 2 months after release you can see them for purchase through US based online vendors. I am finally seeing the Maroni packs that I think they posted for sale a month or so back on their website on some US based vendors online sites.
I find it really stupid for them to be switching measurement to inches considering they are from a country that uses metric. It seems like they are trying to support a USA market while their distribution to the US sucks and the majority of the stuff is rarely available. They need a more reasonable distributor if they want to start seeing placement in US retail gaming stores.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I suspect in this case it's not a question of the US distributor being poor but KM just not being able to supply them with new/replacement stock fast enough or in high enough qualtities
(and like many US based companies they don't hold a product launch until their international distributors have product)
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Post by: inmygravenimage
So, our first set of starters are Joker, Bane and Sirens in September.
Trait changes:
Fast
This model gains +2” to its basic movement distance.
Tireless
Once per round, this model can spend 1SC as if it were 1MC.
Discuss.
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Kinda hard to judge without knowing the changes as a whole.
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Post by: Kanluwen
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:I suspect in this case it's not a question of the US distributor being poor but KM just not being able to supply them with new/replacement stock fast enough or in high enough qualtities
(and like many US based companies they don't hold a product launch until their international distributors have product)
Honestly, the Spanish based companies generally seem to not know wtf to do when working with a US distributor. This used to happen a lot with Infinity before they started partnering with Warstore's distribution side of things.
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Post by: erratyk
Supposedly Justice League Dark is in the pipeline so I'd love to see that out soon.
Other than that I'm just looking forward to more teases, and to have the actual rules in my hands to try out.
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Post by: LunarSol
Glad to see the cards being consolidated down. Still kind of a mess of keywords, but at least it won't take up so much space on the table. On the whole looking forward to the new edition. Not a full revamp I'd love to see but still looking to be quite the improvement.
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Post by: AduroT
I'm curious to see what the rank and affiliation icon look like when you have characters with different ranks in different affiliations. Also the rivals icon when you only hate individual characters and not whole crews.
I expect we'll see more double sided cards to account for characters with extra special rules.
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Post by: Chairman Aeon
Question guys. Do you think the new resin figs will be less parts or easier to put together? I have about 4 blister boxes of stuff in near mint condition and every once in a while I look at how many pieces the "goons" are in I put them back in my BMG box. Should I toss them on eBay and hope the new resin stuff is less 'fiddly'?
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Post by: drazz
The only resin we have from KM are a few of the the old (at least 6 years ago) 75mm lines and the new Grodd crew. The 75mm resins were not good, but hopefully only a sense of who KM were when they started, and not who they are now.
The Grodd crew was recently released. I still see issues with quality (flash, pitting), but they assembled very nicely. Even the shaman with the three point connection (shoulder, shoulder, wrist).
So, if Grodd is the new baseline, then we should see better assembly at least.
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Post by: Ben2
Does anyone know the price point for these new sets yet?
And the new sets have been mentioned as Joker, Bane and Sirens, does anyone know where this information is from, and which Sirens they are?
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Sirens are Ivy, Catwoman, and Harley.
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Post by: Paradigm
Regarding assembly, the new models definitely look simpler. We've now seen all 4 Joker models and 3 are one-piece, the other just has a separate arm. Spoiler for big pics: Also a few more rules changes previewed: Bat Armour changes- Mk1- 5+ 'save' immediately before Damage is rolld Mk2- 6+ save as above, +1" to movement (nice buff to really make DKR the fast Batman) Mk3- 5+ save as above, can attack enemies within 2" so long as the model moved that turn. Dirty Fighter This model can use ranged weapons even if it is in contact with enemy models. If it uses a ranged weapon to target an enemy model in contact, it gains +1 to its Hit rolls. Gunman (2SC) Until the end of the round, when this model makes a ranged attack, it can make 2 ranged attacks instead of 1. Each Attack consumes an Ammunition Magazine as usual. The two attacks can be performed with different weapons. I seem to be in the minority in disliking the new cards, especially the reduced area for assigning tokens. Going to be a bit fiddlier to see at a glance what is assigned to what and to track Endurance.
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Post by: AduroT
I don't think you're in a minority. I've not really heard anyone praise them. I'm more ambivilant myself as they definitely took up too much space before and I had been concidering editing up my own smaller cards before this.
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Post by: LunarSol
I'm just happy to see them rearranged so that Endurance isn't randomly in the middle of the assignable stats.
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Post by: .Mikes.
I wasn't exactly a fan of the old cards, but they were functional which the new ones down't seem to be. But I suppose we'll see when we get a hold of them.
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Post by: inmygravenimage
Batman & Asylum Guards starter is up:  Hmm. Not sure about the helmets.
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Post by: LunarSol
That is.... tremendously... not... exciting :(
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Post by: Paradigm
I rather like it actually. The guards there are generic enough that you could run them with a few different profiles if you wanted, the Batman is very nice if a little simple and on the whole I'm just pleased that Batman finally has a starter set. Should make getting in on that faction a lot easier.
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Post by: Mymearan
So they're replacing almost all old models?
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Post by: AduroT
A huge swath of their metal line went direct order only. They're now coming out with new resin stuff. So far nothing has been a resculpt of a previous metal, it's all new characters, or new versions of characters.
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Post by: Compel
Doesn't the new Joker have the same stats as the original Arkham City Joker?
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Post by: AduroT
Similar, but not the same I am told. They've said he's a new version.
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Post by: inmygravenimage
^Nope. He is the same Arkham Asylum Joker, with errata applied to card. As far as we can tell, the Boss characters remain the same.
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