I really like the look of Heatwave, Cold and Grodd, Raven too though I'll pass on her as I just don't like her as a character. Hawk I don't like, it's a very weird sculpt.
I do hope we get some more in the Gotham line at some point. A new GCPD set with Gordon, Bullock and some new cops would be nice, and a Gotham-style Mister Freeze would be awesome.
Defence stats can mean many things, it's partly how 'tough' you are bits a lot of it is about how dodgy and sneaky you are - EG how hard you are to hit...
It's the Resistance 2/physical/energy that's the big thing.
Very interesting to see the DC Universe game will be essentially the Marvel Game.
Still, Bird is the winner for me. Cheap sidekick, with Smoke Grenades, blood damage, Elite skill and stats, and that Military Training is pretty awesome. He's going to fit right into a lot of Bane lists.
Which facebook link does Knight Models give these previews? Their main facebook site don't seem to have the same information. Really excited that DC Universe appears to be compatible with Marvel Universe.
Henshini wrote: Arkham city limits is one, which is private and will remove you if you so much as think less than blindly positive thoughts about knight models.
Really? Because I've posted reviews about their poor quality casts a few times now and am still in the group. Also a recent comparison of a plastic bat signal toy being better than Knights official mdf one.
Henshini wrote: Arkham city limits is one, which is private and will remove you if you so much as think less than blindly positive thoughts about knight models.
Really? Because I've posted reviews about their poor quality casts a few times now and am still in the group. Also a recent comparison of a plastic bat signal toy being better than Knights official mdf one.
I shared a video of someone painting a great Deathstroke theme on there, but it was on a GW assassin model and I got a sternly worded message about it and a warning never to do any such thing again. Can't say it endeared me to the group.
So my Suicide Squad box just arrived and.. wow, it'a pretty big. It looks great though, so kudos to KM on the packaging! This thing will fly off the shelves at your average FLGS!
Awesome! Mine is on the way, should be here Monday. Slightly delayed from the initial 26th October release date, but if that's just a sign of popularity then I'm fine with it, this game needs more players!
Interior is surprising too, with a layer of foam to protect the miniatures and a tray to hold each. This bodes well for future boxed sets in the DC / Marvel line (where's my Agents of SHIELD set dammit!) but also for their Harry Potter range too.
So do you have to pay money for these or am I missing a link somewhere? All I see is an option for adding it to the shopping cart where it wants me to pay shipping for it.
Click the link that says Product Data Sheet next to the Add To Cart button, that brings them up as PDFs which you can then save. Same place you'd find the stat cards for all the models.
Paradigm wrote: Click the link that says Product Data Sheet next to the Add To Cart button, that brings them up as PDFs which you can then save. Same place you'd find the stat cards for all the models.
Got it. That text did not display as being a link on my phone.
Siygess wrote: So my Suicide Squad box just arrived and.. wow, it'a pretty big. It looks great though, so kudos to KM on the packaging! This thing will fly off the shelves at your average FLGS!
Its actually not doing great. The few places that have it have loads. Outpost said any orders placed after Oct 14th may have to wait to get it but they've still not sold through their first batch and they had it for cheaper than anywhere else yet cant shift it
Siygess wrote: So my Suicide Squad box just arrived and.. wow, it'a pretty big. It looks great though, so kudos to KM on the packaging! This thing will fly off the shelves at your average FLGS!
Its actually not doing great. The few places that have it have loads. Outpost said any orders placed after Oct 14th may have to wait to get it but they've still not sold through their first batch and they had it for cheaper than anywhere else yet cant shift it
Really? That's too bad :/
As boxed products go, it's almost up there with Operation Ice Storm (and presumably Red Veil).
My box just arrived, and basically, I'm blown away. It's a real sign that Knight are stepping up to the plate in more than just mini design, the production values here frankly seem to trump Icestorm (which I had held as a gold standard for metal starter set box games). The box is nice and sturdy, with every model in its own tray, a layer of foam that can easily be reused in a carrying case in a pinch, the printing on the building/tokens is top notch, and all the casts look to be really clean and definitely a lot sharper than some of the older KM stuff. The rulebook is likewise nicely printed, keeping the colourful presentation from the hardback.
All in all, it's easily worth the asking price, if you can get it at a discount then it's frankly one of the best hobby products around in this price range at the moment.
The If anyone wants pics of anything in particular just let me know and I'll snap some, I intend to write up a full review later anyway. And if anyone's wondering about the new Batman card as that's not been shown yet, likewise let me know (the short version is he's very much a 'no frills' version in the vein of MillerBat, but with the very nice Sustained Defence and Close Combat Master abilities). Lovely one-piece model as well.
Yeah, I'd definitely be down for another set of buildings, I'm very much from the 'too lazy to do terrain, cardboard boxes will do' school of wargaming, so I'd happily pay for sturdy, already printed sets like this. And with them being double sided, they wouldn't even need to produce another set to encourage people to buy another, you simply use the reverse designs. 4-5 of them and some scatter terrain would easily fill out a board, I think.
Paradigm wrote: My box just arrived, and basically, I'm blown away. It's a real sign that Knight are stepping up to the plate in more than just mini design, the production values here frankly seem to trump Icestorm (which I had held as a gold standard for metal starter set box games). The box is nice and sturdy, with every model in its own tray, a layer of foam that can easily be reused in a carrying case in a pinch, the printing on the building/tokens is top notch, and all the casts look to be really clean and definitely a lot sharper than some of the older KM stuff. The rulebook is likewise nicely printed, keeping the colourful presentation from the hardback.
All in all, it's easily worth the asking price, if you can get it at a discount then it's frankly one of the best hobby products around in this price range at the moment.
The If anyone wants pics of anything in particular just let me know and I'll snap some, I intend to write up a full review later anyway. And if anyone's wondering about the new Batman card as that's not been shown yet, likewise let me know (the short version is he's very much a 'no frills' version in the vein of MillerBat, but with the very nice Sustained Defence and Close Combat Master abilities). Lovely one-piece model as well.
Good to know Para. Can you post the batfleck card here?
It's a profile I like the look of. Arkham Origins/Knight pay for a lot that's quite situational, Millerbat is just a bit too barebones and DKR is very different, fast but more fragile... Seems he's competing in the same sort of role as Arkham City Batman, losing Counter Attack, RC Batarangs and Total Vision for much more reliable attack (5 with re-rolls to hit from CC master, huge if you're putting him up against Deathstroke/Ra's ect) and the ability to 'Combo' Defence for 6 Defence dice if you really need it.
The US is still now just getting them. I think there are two online stores that list the product in stock (FRP and MIniature Market) as of yesterday.
So, assume US stores got their product yesterday, and will be shipping today/this week. And add a few days for the shipping. Hopefully, by next week, US orders should be fullfilled.
And if that's true, its by far the fastest KM has gotten its products out to the US.
What are the sculpts like ? The only thing putting me off is if they are shallow like a lot of k.m stuff ? A lot seem to have about 50% of the details painted on.
They're all really sharp. Even things like the texture on Joker's coat or the lining of Batman's suit are really sharp, even moreso that a lot of other BMG stuff (which in general I find very well defined).
Question re: Marvel Miniatures Game, have there been any special/limited release models like there has been with BMG? Talking like the preorder bonus stuff.
timetowaste85 wrote: No, there haven't. Marvel thankfully hasn't had any LE models. And I hope they don't ever get any. At least no X-Men ones.
So far the only thing KM has released LE models for were both rulesbooks for BMG, and the Suicide Squad box set, I'm sure once Marvel gets a large release along those lines you'll see an LE model added to it.
I personally don't mind that. Although shipping from Spain hurts my soul lol.
Pretty much all of that is awesome and going on the wishlist! The Freeze crew is fantastic and well worth the wait, Heatwave and Cap Cold are great likenesses and the BvS set is just brilliant. Not too keen on Flagg and I'll pass on the Bane set, but on the whole this is a really solid month of releases!
I certainly hope that's something KM pick up on. While Marvel only had a limited range, there are a ton of characters in BMG that could make the switch to the supers version. All the Flash lot, Green Arrow, Cyborg, The Hawks, Solomon Grundy, Black Manta, Bane, Grodd when he makes an appearance, a whole bunch of others. It'd help get the DC Supers game off the ground fast while they work on more dedicated sets,
It could go both ways as well. With the escalation that's been going on in BMG, I'd not be surprised to see WW and superman make an appearance in a toned-down form (though not necessarily best-pleased...)
The DC heroes in general look like more than a match for the Marvel counterparts, those three could probably quite easily take on the Dark Avengers set or even a bolstered Avengers or X-men team. Tons of hit points and defensive abilities (WW can hit Defence 21 with her Gauntlets and a Defensive Stance) and lots of nice damage-dealing... a potential 6 Damage green on Superman is brutal.
Not sure what the differences are in the 3.0 version of the Marvel Universe rulebook. At first glance, looks to be almost identical to the DC universe except for the scenarios.
Flash
Green Arrow
Cyborg
Hawkman
Hawkgirl
Joker
Lobo
Killer Frost
Deathstroke
Bane
Harley Quinn
Deadshot
Batgirl
Starfire
Black Canary
Solomon Grundy
Clayface
Ra's Al Ghul
Professor Zoom/Reverse Flash
Kid Flash
Ravager
Black Manta
Swamp Thing
Poison Ivy
And a team bonus for the Justice League of America that confirms Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter and Aquaman are coming.
And that is fantastic news. The problem Marvel had in the first few months was a lack of options and specifically villains, whereas DCUMG is going to have a great range of thematic teams ready to go from the off. Various incarnations of the Justice League, the Suicide Squad, the Teen Titans, and plenty of villain teamups!
Seems a bit odd there's just the one affiliation. I mean, I know the Justice League basically works like that, but it'd be nice to see some other teams on there somehow.
On that note, I'll probably lose my resistance to this game once I can run a team of Green Lanterns. Hoping Ch'p is super OP.
Also a Marvel FAQ errata that hands out some new abilities, a bunch of new scenarios and MUMG stats for Spider-man, Punisher, Daredevil and Green Goblin... now we just need those models to become regularly available!
LunarSol wrote: Seems a bit odd there's just the one affiliation. I mean, I know the Justice League basically works like that, but it'd be nice to see some other teams on there somehow.
On that note, I'll probably lose my resistance to this game once I can run a team of Green Lanterns. Hoping Ch'p is super OP.
Trouble is, as you say, DC doesn't really have the semi-clear denominations that Marvel has. With Marvel, the Fantastic 4, X-men, Avengers and the Guardians stick to their own spheres, mutants deal with mutants, space guys deal with space stuff ect. Meanwhile, the Justice League has the magic stuff from Wonder Woman, Earth-based humans and metahumans like Batman and The Flash, and are caught up in cosmic events via Superman, Martian Manhunter, the Green Lanterns ect.
But hell yeah, a pure Green Lanterns set would be amazing. Hal or John, Kilowog, Ch'p and Tomar Re or Alisia... I'd be all over that in a second!
Looking through the rulebook, the DC universe rulebook appears to be a copy paste of the Marvels universe in which they did a find "Marvels" and replace it with "DC".
The DC Universe Rulebook mentions -
"Based on the epic, best-selling DC Universe, this game includes many of the well-loved characters that have thrilled comic book fans for generations - Spider-Man, the Avengers, the Fantastic Four, the X-men, SHIELD, and many more - "
They're typo'ed the heck out of the updated Marvel rulebook. - According to the Marvel rules, throws are once per game, with the example being completely wrong.
I'm happy with the DC one, I've ended up with a full team, partly thanks to the Suicide Squad set...
Deadshot
Harley
Joker
Then my
Reverse Flash
Ra's Al Ghul
Deathstroke
Killer Frost
Ironically, only my Killer Frost is the pictured model (well, technically I have the right Deadshot too, but meh, movie one looks cooler).
I'm not going to go out and buy the 'correct' models though, I'm already buying the Trinity and I've had my own equivalent models for them for over a year. :p
Heh, even my Green Arrow and Flash models aren't the 'right' ones for the pictures...
I wouldn't worry about the pictures matching up fro the DCU game. I highly doubt they will have multiple versions of the same character for quite some time in that game.
Very big of them to add the cards for models already in existence. Though, I do feel like they missed a few. Where's my Venom?
Yeah, there are a few missing ones. I'm surprised Nightwing, Katana, Arsenal and at least one Robin didn't make the cut when Batgirl did. Likewise on the villainous side of things, I'd think Captain Cold, Heatwave, Mister Freeze, Captain Boomerang and would work as level 4-5 characters. Still, this does give me a good excuse to buy minis like Black Manta, Cyborg and Lobo that I didn't think really made sense in BMG but still really like, if they can pull double duty then they just got shunted up the queue!
I wonder if future releases that suit both systems will come with two cards?
I think the idea is to get around the problem they had with Marvel where everyone spent the first 2-3 months going 'where are the villains?'. Especially since we have only one dedicated set at launch rather than 3, so they needed some kind of opposing faction.
I think the free game route has worked out quite well for Corvus Belli with Infinity, you still need the minis to play and that's where they make most of their money. With this, if people just play using their existing BMG collections, KM lose nothing, while it encourages people to pick up the new stuff and the dual-purpose minis.
Does anyone know a good place to get the Spiderman and Punisher models from the SMMG now that they have profiles? Ebay doesn't have a single listing, and no other store except Knight models seems to carry them. I don't want to spend 30+ for one miniature.
Good luck. Only place I found Punisher in the US was the last one on CMoN's site. That was about 4 months ago now, and he's sitting pretty on my friend's shelf. Spidey might still be available there, but definitely no Punisher.
Paradigm wrote: I think the idea is to get around the problem they had with Marvel where everyone spent the first 2-3 months going 'where are the villains?'. Especially since we have only one dedicated set at launch rather than 3, so they needed some kind of opposing faction.
I think the free game route has worked out quite well for Corvus Belli with Infinity, you still need the minis to play and that's where they make most of their money. With this, if people just play using their existing BMG collections, KM lose nothing, while it encourages people to pick up the new stuff and the dual-purpose minis.
Well its not free, but the heroclix route is vastly cheaper. At the end of the day, its always you support the company, the company will support the game. I know a lot of people though, and myself included who when it first came out bought the latest heroclix packs, did some repaints and stuck on bases and played. I started with Heroclix avengers and actual KM guardians set.
This is a great move though as it does make me want to buy more minis from them
BCP: And excitingly, you’re now working on the BMG campaign system. What can you tell us about this?
ML: I loved doing this. The Arkham Knight book is my first solo project for Knight Models, and touches on my first love in skirmish gaming: campaigns. It really plays to my strengths—I’ve been writing campaign systems since my first game, Legends of the Old West, was released… ooo, longer ago than I’d care to admit. This book will give you general rules for character development during campaigns, friendly tips for running different types of campaigns, and new play modes, such as Predator Mode, where you can take one tooled-up hero against lots of henchmen. The centrepiece of the book is, of course, the Arkham Knight campaign. This takes the basic plot of the recent video game, and turns it into a tree campaign. So you can play through the story mode, unlock side missions, advance with WayneTech upgrades; the works!
Going with free rules that you regularly update for balance (as has just been done with the Marvel stuff) tells your customers that you care about the game being playable and have a commitment to it.
I have no problems spending some money on some KM Marvel and DC stuff now because I can be fairly sure the heroes and villains will get rules.
I'm sure Knight will eventually release a cardboard Gotham set. Until such a point, if you're wanting something similar, you're probably stuck looking at MDF sets, such as 4Ground or Tabletop combat...
We've seen the Aaron Cash model plus his mates, we just didn't their names. I would have gone with "Arkham Security" myself, but I suppose 'quick response team' is a little more generically suitable.
I have to admit I didn't twig that was Cash in the FlArrow book. This means, from ones seen in book, we're just waiting on Militia III, Hawk, Raven and GRODD! I think that's it in terms of models pictured.
Really hoping that Cash and his Quick Response Team aren't going to be the Special Forces that Flag can take more than one of. Hoping for REAL Special Forces like in the SS movie.
Compel wrote: We've seen the Aaron Cash model plus his mates, we just didn't their names. I would have gone with "Arkham Security" myself, but I suppose 'quick response team' is a little more generically suitable.
Cash is a cop in Arkham Knight so maybe the generic side is so he can be used as both Security or Cop?
On another note, with the release of Electrocutioner all 8 assassins from Arkham Origins are available in some form, with over half (Deadshot, Deathstroke, Copperhead, Bane and Shiva) having models specifically of their appearance in the game. Firefly also has a similar design, even though he's based off the Arkham Knight design from memory, the suits are pretty close to identical across the 2 games, and Killer Croc has the Suicide Squad version which rules-wise is pretty appropriate. I'd certainly make a house rule to see that list at least once, it'd be pretty cool although not 100% 'fluffy'
It would make a great campaign, a series of 8 themed missions that puts Batman up against each assassin in turn with different objectives/mechanics for each. I know it was mentioned that there's an Arkham Knight campaign book coming, so maybe we'll see some inspiration there.
Going by AO, though, Electrocutioner better be Endurance 1...
Graven raises a good point though, where is my GRODD!?
I wonder what suit they'll go with for Lex. I'd like to see something based on either Injustice or Forever Evil, but the latter is probably a little too Iron Man.
It occurs to me that if this Batman and Robin set has new sculpts rather than a repack, it'll be the third Batman they've released in as many months... I'd guess it'll just be the SSquad Batman and probably Damian Robin since he's the one in the rulebook.
I quite like the Batman, that cape is fantastic and it's nice to finally have one based on the classic comic look. and I think in a sort of late 90s scheme with a darker grey and blue and a bit of black he'd look great.
Robin I'm not a fan of, but again I'm glad we finally have a Dick Grayson Robin and the stats are pretty decent, I might run Damian that that card from time to time, though it'd mean giving up Batfleck... the new Batman is decent though... Especially if your moral compass is absolutely fine with a bit of Robin sacrifice to get that 2+ Strength!
I like the models. Its a great nod to the comic look of both. I am almost always impressed with the ability for Knight Models sculptors to recreate images in 3D form. The Frank Miller Batman, Suicide Squad movie models, and now these.
That said, I love the rules too. In particular, using this Robin with the Teen Titans rules makes for a very competent models for the points. I have been avoiding the Titan because of their flaws, but this works nicely.
drazz wrote: I like the models. Its a great nod to the comic look of both. I am almost always impressed with the ability for Knight Models sculptors to recreate images in 3D form. The Frank Miller Batman, Suicide Squad movie models, and now these.
The interesting one with this one, is that the Robin looks based off of the 50mm version from their collectors range (no point linking pictures, it's pretty much identical). - I didn't think they could do that sort of resizing unless it was a CAD sculpt.
Snow shovel goon is awesome! Reaper is a bit goofy to me, though I can see me converting to a Phantasm. I like Cash and we'll see if they're Law or something else entirely. Less keen on the way they imply pushing the gun-meta which really starting to dominate the game, albeit as the viable way of keeping goons a-going. Light template is neat, what's the big bat do you think?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Cash is Law, affliate: Batman (&Aversion Killer Croc ), others are Law/GA/Bats. Really, really surprised they're not Elite: Special Forces for Flag, though.
The basic Quick Response guys are all available to Bats/Arrow/Law forces as Henchmen, Cash is a Sidekick for Law but has Affinity: Batman so he can be a Free Agent there.
I think it's a nice set really, in many ways a more practical version of the Gordon/SWAT set as it comes to a round 150 Rep and $1000, so you can actually use the whole lot in 300 Rep Games unlike the SWAT for which you'd need Adam West/Alfred for the extra funding.
There do seem to be a lot of guns in recent sets, but I think that's as much a product of where the range is at as trying to push a new meta, pretty much everyone has knife/baseball bat/unarmed/pistol/shotgun/assault rifle guys now, so they need to start diversifying just so they're not doubling up on basic weapons. I have to say the new QRT guns are pretty nice, there's a 2-stun Mechanical Riot Gun as a cheap option, a carbine and essentially a Sniper Rifle that paired with any kind of illuminate ability could be dropping people across the board.
Stat cards for the team:
Spoiler:
Reaper is a sidekick specifically for Black Mask which is interesting.
Mr Morden wrote: Do they have the rights to the Tim Burton film?
Last we heard, no. Models from those movies are often at the top of the list of desired.
Those Quick Response guys are quite nice. There's a decent amount of choice for Law forces now, with good Boss options.
Rick Flagg's Special forces should be ARGUS soldiers. I'm expecting similar stats to Bane's merc crews. And such a set should be usable for Law forces again.
Black Adam looks pretty neat, beefy card too. Don't like Lex's power armor as much, the pose.. something doesn't speak to me.
The snow goons are cool though, and Reaper is kinda neat.
The first guys aren't bad, though I dunno why the poor lady doesn't have the same outfit, seems to be missing kneepads. The poses are also kinda 'waiting round for action' mostly, but I guess overly dynamic poses can be obnoxious too.
Pretty prolific really, that's a fair bit of stuff coming out.
I'll probably be getting Aaron Cash and Lex. Black Adam ruleswise is amazing but I have absolutely no interest in the character or model. Despite my Team Evil really could take advantage of a heavy hitter.
Pricing seems to be confused on Luthor, Element and Wayland have him at upwards of £20 while The Outpost (and KM themselves) have him at the same price as a normal blister.
But then Element had the Trinity set listed at regular single-model price for about 2 weeks last month before they changed it, so I'm not surprised!
Images of Marvel unreleased cards have been discovered. These are the last of the models that KM had already produced at the 35mm range. So, like the last month's releases of Spider-Man, Punisher, Daredevil and Green Goblin, we will likely see these models repacked soon.
drazz wrote: Images of Marvel unreleased cards have been discovered. These are the last of the models that KM had already produced at the 35mm range. So, like the last month's releases of Spider-Man, Punisher, Daredevil and Green Goblin, we will likely see these models repacked soon.
Spoiler:
Here's Thanos, Elektra, Loki, and Venom.
There's a...Green Goblin model?!?
And how is Dr. Doom in terms of power level?
I might have to seriously start looking at the marvel version of their game...
Yeah Green Goblin I think is part of this latest waves of releases. The model was released previously as part of their collectors series, they're now rereleasing it as a gaming piece.
Too out things in context power wise, the points system is bad on 'levels' with your typical game being 50 levels each. Your average marvel model is 7 levels, such as Cap, Iron Man or Colossus. The bulk of the models are 6-8 levels.
Hulk weighs in at an incredible 17 levels. Whereas, Spiderman isa 10, DOOM is 11 and Green Goblin is 8. This makes Thanos at 20 the most expensive model in the DC or Marvel games. The second most expensive is Supes at 18
Doom is a little above average on the power scale, but comes with a significant negative that hinders his team. But, he can be on 4 different teams; good or bad superheroes, and good or bad cosmic teams.. So, that's interesting.
Green Goblin's rules were in the MUMG FAQ released a little while ago.
I thought the average game was 40 levels not 50?
I was hoping that Thanos would be 40 points on his own, maybe later down the line we'll be able to spend levels to put the Gems on him outside of the one scenario.
Doom is a little above average on the power scale, but comes with a significant negative that hinders his team. But, he can be on 4 different teams; good or bad superheroes, and good or bad cosmic teams.. So, that's interesting.
As a Knight Models Game beginner (absolute), please do elaborate here - thanks!
Game Average is generally 50. - There's a couple of starter sets out there that are 40 points just by themselves. - Such as the Dark Avengers and the Justice League. 50 tends to give you 6-8 models to field.
So yeah, DOOM is 11 points, with the average being 6-8 like I said.
The "Affiliate" symbols on Doom's card are grey, which means he is of a 'neutral' affiliation. - So he can be fielded in teams with Heroes or Villains
There's also 2 "Affiliate" symbols on his card. These relate to 2 of the 3 (or 4, if you include DC) factions in the game. They are officially called: "Cosmic, Superhuman, Mutant." But it's easier to think of them as: "Guardians of the Galaxy, Avengers, X-Men."
So, DOOM's symbols mean: Superhuman, Cosmic. And they're Grey, so he's neutral. So in other words, he can be fielded in a Guardians of the Galaxy team, an Avengers team, a Dark Avengers team or hang out with Thanos.
The significant negative is the "DOOM'S Way" rule. It stops all friendly models within 4 inches of DOOM from using the 'Overload' rule. Without getting into the weeds of how the game works. (You can look at that here by the way. - Knight Models provide the rulebooks for free), Overload is effectively 'aiming' to increase their accuracy. DOOM stops friendlies from doing that, which is a pretty significant negative and can be a real downside in some missions where everyone has to deploy near each other. It also can be bad for him because it means that he having him in range to be bodyguarded (commonly 2 inches) by allies is something you probably don't want to do.
In effect, this ultimately means that DOOM does not play well with others. Which is well, as you'd expect, being DOOM.
Paradigm wrote: Spider-man works with Batman, Marvel Supers works with DC Supers, beyond that there's no compatibility beyond the models that have rules for both.
At this point, all the models released for Spiderman (other than the henchmen) now have rules for Marvel Supers.
Thank you for that - much appreciated!
I REALLY want to get into these games...not sure what's holding me back at this point, other than the big issue of a gaming group that plays it, of course!
The superheroes game is easiest to get people to pick up and play and get people to try out. It's easier to do some sort of gathering interest style game. Contest of heroes capture the flag sort of thing.
The Spider-Bat game is more suited for someone that has played the Superheroes and goes, "I want something more strategic and planning based."
Aaron Cash and the quick response team looks good but did anyone else notice Response team 1's stat card. He lists a riot gun which doesn't list any sort of range? Does the same damage as his baton so if it has no range what is the point? Knight models makes so many mistakes in their cards I dunno.
I am happy to report good things for the suicide starter buildings. The gloss finish is the worst part. Besides that, they go together quickly and easily. Sturdy with the little tabs in, too. You can use the interior of the second floors if you don't add the signs outside, though it's mostly an afterthought. The double stack is 15" to the top floor.
Kinda hope they sell these separately, my card city could definitely use another set, especially since they're largely reversible.
GrimDork wrote: Elektra brings the Thunderbolts one step closer... Still need flash Thompson venom and red hulk. Well and an official team
The Thunderbolts, the real Thunderbolts anyways, are Citizen V, Atlas, Songbird, Joystick, Mach III/IV, Meteorite, Fixer, Radioactive Man, Blizzard, Speed Demon, Joystick, Swordsman, and Hawkeye
For all the talk of 50 point games you are absolutely fine to play 20 or 30 point games, particularly if you are using cheaper characters (the cheapest character being Black Widow at 4 points).
Most of the starters are 30 points, and give you 4 model teams. These can be had fairly cheaply. Dark Avengers and DC Trinity are 40 point starters, everything else is 30 points.
Knight are re-releasing the collectors/spider man models with Marvel game cards in January to increase the available models (particularly for Avengers/Dark Avengers).
Then I imagine there will be more DC/Marvel releases fairly regularly. There are certainly a number of Batman miniatures that could be converted over to the Superhero game (Mr Freeze, Catwoman, Catman, Robin, Captain Cold etc etc). Then you could do a Mr Freeze, Killer Frost, Captain Cold team.
I certainly think there is potential for 20 point games with 3-4 models per side using the more street level characters.
GrimDork wrote: I am happy to report good things for the suicide starter buildings. The gloss finish is the worst part. Besides that, they go together quickly and easily. Sturdy with the little tabs in, too. You can use the interior of the second floors if you don't add the signs outside, though it's mostly an afterthought. The double stack is 15" to the top floor.
Kinda hope they sell these separately, my card city could definitely use another set, especially since they're largely reversible.
I thought the same thing. I left mine assembled so i could quickly use them as i did bend one of the cardboard tabs. After a few weeks they are so warped it isn't funny. Very nice design but crappy longevity which is sad considering my infinity paper terrain you fold together last longer and I expected that to be one use throw away scenery that i bought off of ebay for like $12 to bring on vacation. And a year later i still use the terrain with no issues and flatten it out often for storage. The starter buildings are pure crap. I thought they would rock too when i first got them.
I used marker on my buildings edges, glued them so they are permanently assembled, and hit them with krylon matte varnish. It cuts the gloss and darkens them a bit. Perfect for Gotham or a marvel game.
I also use the matte krylon clear coat on all my descent and inperial assault tokens and map tiles. Hint is to put on two thin coats. The only issue I've seen is when too much is put on. It's just like laying clear coat on a car after paint. Distance, speed, and thin coats are needed.
Player not found wrote: I was wondering, now that official rules exist for Marvel Miniature Game tournaments, when (and where) will the first "Stan Lee Cup" be held?
If you really want to hold Stan Lee's cup, go right ahead, sure he wouldn't mind .
Just at the local game shop looking at blood bowl and other things, might pick Groot up to use as a treeman.
I would hazard the guess that all the boxes that are currently in the US still have the Batfleck model. I don;t think there has been a restock since the initial release.
Also, be aware that Knight Models is going to reselling the Suicide Box with the Batfleck direct from KM, and in some stores.
I would ask directly of any store you might want to buy from.
I'm still trying to find a USA based Suicide Squad Box with Barfleck in it, for a...good price!
I see the 'order by February' version all over the place now, but it is at an increased price because it also includes 'Bombshell Harley', which I don't want...
Alpharius wrote: I'm still trying to find a USA based Suicide Squad Box with Barfleck in it, for a...good price!
I see the 'order by February' version all over the place now, but it is at an increased price because it also includes 'Bombshell Harley', which I don't want...
I got one from Miniatures Market, it was delivered last week, ordered late the week prior. I was surprised it had BatMan as he was not listed, I just ordered the game box... Opened it up and saw thew BatMan card, and sure enough the figure was in the tray as well. Under $80.
Alpharius wrote: I'm still trying to find a USA based Suicide Squad Box with Barfleck in it, for a...good price!
I see the 'order by February' version all over the place now, but it is at an increased price because it also includes 'Bombshell Harley', which I don't want...
I got one from Miniatures Market, it was delivered last week, ordered late the week prior. I was surprised it had BatMan as he was not listed, I just ordered the game box... Opened it up and saw thew BatMan card, and sure enough the figure was in the tray as well. Under $80.
Looks like maybe you just got lucky then?
Hello!
Can you tell me if this item here:
{Batman Miniatures Game: Suicide Squad Game Box}
also contains the limited Ben Affleck "Batfleck" promotional Batman model?
Thanks!
No, I am sorry but the promotional item is not included.
Alpharius wrote: I'm still trying to find a USA based Suicide Squad Box with Barfleck in it, for a...good price!
I see the 'order by February' version all over the place now, but it is at an increased price because it also includes 'Bombshell Harley', which I don't want...
I got one from Miniatures Market, it was delivered last week, ordered late the week prior. I was surprised it had BatMan as he was not listed, I just ordered the game box... Opened it up and saw thew BatMan card, and sure enough the figure was in the tray as well. Under $80.
Looks like maybe you just got lucky then?
Hello!
Can you tell me if this item here:
{Batman Miniatures Game: Suicide Squad Game Box}
also contains the limited Ben Affleck "Batfleck" promotional Batman model?
Thanks!
No, I am sorry but the promotional item is not included.
Jim Smith
General Manager
Miniature Market
Bummer...
It may be a case of him not knowing it comes with the box, all first runs of the game had Batfleck packed inside, whether it was a preorder or not.
And nothing on the outside of the box tells you it's in there. The guy at the FLGS thought we didn't get them until I told him where they were. Then we opened one up and sure enough it was inside. We still have a box here as well if you're in the central Iowa area recently for whatever reason.
timetowaste85 wrote: My local store has started carrying the full Marvel line. Even has the most recent Dark Avengers, Doom and Thing.
Nothing for DC yet.
Mine has started to carry both as well. I'm still undecided asi don't need another game, but I think groot will be bought to be a tree an for bloodbowl.
@Theophany play a demo game or two and it will have you hooked. Marvel and Batman are two different beasts entirely though but both have very different dynamics and gameplay. Probably the most fun skirmish style games I have ever played even though my LGS stopped carrying them about 8 months ago I still play. They went for the 40k nonsense and are huge on board with that despite most real 40k players abandoning the game during 6th edition.
Comic version Riddler gang is now here, along with a Sidekick. Personally, I like these models infinitely better than the robo-Riddler crew we had earlier. Still a little on the fence about another crew, but Riddler is available as a Suicide Squad member.
Yeah, way better than the Arkham set. Not a massive fan of the goons' style, but Riddler himself is great (nearly as good as the original which I sadly missed, now it's direct only)... Is 'Quelle' an actual character I just haven't heard of, or are they scraping the bottom of the barrel to try and get a Riddler sidekick?
I remember in DC Universe Online he had a pair of female Quiz based sidekicks.
*Googles* So, Quelle's from the Harley Quinn series, that's a really recent book I believe and is actually one that's kinda hugely popular, if I remember right.
Paradigm wrote: Yeah, way better than the Arkham set. Not a massive fan of the goons' style, but Riddler himself is great (nearly as good as the original which I sadly missed, now it's direct only)... Is 'Quelle' an actual character I just haven't heard of, or are they scraping the bottom of the barrel to try and get a Riddler sidekick?
The Goons are taken directly from the same storyline that Quelle appeared in and very true to the comic (even down to the haircuts and one of them being really short which is reflect with the small trait on his stat card as well) although not a big fan of the design myself -
Someone emailed KM and asked about the lack of Marvel and if it was dead...
the answer was "The game is not dead we just released 3 DC packs this month!"
so...yeah. I take that as they have lost the Marvel license. I expect we should hear what company is getting it at GAMA (mid-March).
my money is on FFG or Modiphius.
I think that might be a premature reaction, I'd assume if they'd lost the license they'd have stopped selling it entirely. While there haven't been any model releases for a couple of months, we got the Spidey stuff put back into general release with new cards.
I reckon they're just trying to get enough DC out the door for that game to get a secure footing with a decent range.
The direct question was whether they had stopped the Marvel game. Their answer was "No." Then, they said they are releasing DC stuff right now.
We know they have cards in development for the remaining models (Loki, Thanos, Venom). We also know they are horrible with their communication. I think its that simple still. They just are not telling us directly that they still have the Marvel line and that they are going to continue it.
Really, and I've said this before, its been less than a year since they started to release the MUG, and in that time, they released 5 starters and about a dozen new additional single packs. In addition to maintaining the BMG line. That's a hell of a year.
tpryan01 wrote: Someone emailed KM and asked about the lack of Marvel and if it was dead...
the answer was "The game is not dead we just released 3 DC packs this month!"
so...yeah. I take that as they have lost the Marvel license. I expect we should hear what company is getting it at GAMA (mid-March).
my money is on FFG or Modiphius.
Haha, must be a bunch of new faces to the scene if people are really worried that a few months without new toys for their specific thing means it must be dead.
Having just went through this a few months back with FFG and the GW license, this seems a bit deja vu all over again. It’s been a number of months since KM last released anything for the Marvel Universe Miniatures Game, and coupled with their silence on the issue it’s spawned rampant speculation as to the future of the Marvel license. Word started leaking out last night that retailers have been told the license has ended, and an official announcement will be made by KM in the near future.
from the beasts of war forum, poster is reliable as industry news goes so if you want any Marvel stuff you're missing grab it now before it vanishes
News according to retailers is marvel has been dropped IN FAVOUR of dc and the harry potter game. Cos we all know harry potter is bigger than marvel. Knight have to be the worst company ever if this is true.
Hopefully a decent company gets the marvel line and knight flop with hp
Motograter wrote: Hopefully a decent company gets the marvel line and knight flop with hp
I can understand the first part, but why do you specifically hope the second part?
It might be that the Marvel license costs more than it is bringing in, so it hasn't been renewed in favour for something that might not be as pricey but could be popular as well?
Don't quite understand why they would drop Marvel for HP. Marvel at the very least has new films coming out constantly, with new alternate models like they did for Batman. HP has what? The original films and maybe the upcoming ones with the same characters?
"Dropped in favor" is just a positive spin on a negative thing. No company wants to tell retailers they will no longer be supporting a product line without the news that they have something to take its place.
Marvel is Disney, and they're the big boys right now. I wish I were surprised by this, but I'm not. It likely just became too expensive for a company of their size to deal with, and they can better appropriate their licensing budget to their already successful DC/Batman line and now the un-tapped Harry Potter market.
Sad if the marvel line is dropped. One I've been watching but not jumped in on yet.
The thing that had me holding back was the lack of bad guys. Avengers vs x-men just didn't appeal to me. But then lack of a good bad guy has been marvels problem for a long time!
Mean while I've been picking up the DC TV universe stuff knight have been putting out, arrow, flash and co always get some attention from onlookers down the gaming club.
If anyone needs it and has trouble finding it, my local has it in stock. Full Marvel line, including the new Dark Avengers set. I can get it for regular retail, which might be "high" now, but will be good when eBay for OOP items becomes the only way. I'll help my fellows out where I can!!
Nightcrawler is gone though. I snagged a duplicate for his X-Force costume.
Compel wrote: Dropped seems... Unlikely. Being unable to afford the license, or Disney just withholding the license entirely, seems more likely.
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You guys are all nuts. Since Disney bought anything merchandising goes thru the roof not depletes... See what they did with star wars???? anyone. Since they bought starwars i can't go to walmart without seeing a product with starwars insigna on it. So if anything the cost of licensing goes down, not up.
Disney has owned marvel rights for so long it isn't funny. With them expanding all the DC stuff it is because of the large push toward DC right now. Justice league just starting and the explosion about to start with those movies... kinda like Avengers.
I don't see them doing anything with the Marvel line other then adding to it. They got a decent foundation of models to build on.
Knight Models will no longer make products based on the Marvel Universe licence.
It has been a difficult decision, as many hours of work, effort and excitement were invested in this licence. But we consider that our business must follow another path.
We would like to thank the teams at Disney and Marvel Entertainment Inc. for allowing us to create such wonderful products. We also want to thank you, our followers, for your support. - From Knights Models FB page
And here we are. Definitely reading between the lines it's like "costs too much money" of "too many restrictions" to me.
Knight Models wrote:
Dear Customers,
This is going to be a year full of changes and new projects at Knight Models.
Our company was founded in 2008 and began working with Marvel Entertainment Inc. licensed products by designing and manufacturing high quality miniatures of its most famous heroes and villains for collectors and painters. Later, we expanded that relationship and created the Universe Miniature Game and its range of gaming miniatures.
Our long entrepreneurial relationship with Marvel has been incredible, and working on such a gratifying project for so many years, developing those characters that we love so much, has made us very happy. Unfortunately, all good things must come to an end.
Knight Models will no longer make products based on the Marvel Universe licence.
It has been a difficult decision, as many hours of work, effort and excitement were invested in this licence. But we consider that our business must follow another path.
We would like to thank the teams at Disney and Marvel Entertainment Inc. for allowing us to create such wonderful products. We also want to thank you, our followers, for your support.
Our investment in our superheroes lines, however, continues with the DC Universe Miniature Game and, of course, our flagship Batman Miniature Game – these lines will continue to be developed, and we’re incredibly excited for the future of these lines, as well as forthcoming projects. The Batman Miniature Game has become a cornerstone in miniature skirmish gaming. The successful launch of the Suicide Squad game box has allowed us to invest even further in the game’s future, and grow our wonderful gaming community.
This year we celebrate the Batman Miniature Game’s 5th Anniversary, and we’re doing so in style, with some very special anniversary products and brand new expansions, starting with the Arkham Knight campaign book, with more great new content to follow.
Of course, it cannot have escaped the community’s attention that Knight Models will soon be launching another big licenced product. We are thrilled to have the opportunity to work with Warner Bros. over the following years, and enter the fantastic, magical universe of Harry Potter. The Harry Potter Miniature Game will be a culmination of the team’s hard work and dedication to creating a true quality gaming experience, and we look forward to launching some of the most spectacular miniatures to accompany it. We hope that you’ll enjoy this new project as much as we have working on it!
Picking Harry Potter over Marvel seems like picking a corpse over a supermodel in a "who would you bang" situation. Thankfully, I have all the Marvel models I want, and I should be able to use them in the DC hero game with no issue, since I have the cards. But since Marvel got me in and I feel kinda screwed on this...I guess Knight isn't getting any more of my money.
Knight used to have the Star Wars licence, and dropped that in favour of Marvel.
I don't know the timings; if Knight originally took out the Star Wars and Marvel licences before those companies were acquired by the House of Mouse, perhaps Disney want more in licence fees than Lucasfilm or Marvel did.
From a selfish point of view, I should be able to pick up a cheap set of Avengers or Guardians of the Galaxy at Salute this year. Rogue Stars or Blasters & Bulkheads should cover the latter fine, or there's Supersystem or Pulp City.
First DC and now Harry Potter; any chance of Babylon 5, while they're on the phone to WB?
Everyone is upset because of Marvel license being dropped by KM, and I'm sitting here being sad about KM losing the chance to manufacture Stormtroopers and Scout Troopers a few years ago.
Marvel was acquired by Disney before Star Wars. So...wouldn't be because of licensing through The Mouse for SW. Still could be for Marvel. But the two aren't related. This time...
Still mad.
Yeah, I doubt it's a case of picking Harry Potter over Marvel, but rather picking DC/Batman over Marvel, and Harry Potter comes along for the ride given that Potter and DC are both WB properties. Kind of bummed I'll never get to run that House Party list I'd been dreaming of though.
SnotlingPimpWagon wrote: Everyone is upset because of Marvel license being dropped by KM, and I'm sitting here being sad about KM losing the chance to manufacture Stormtroopers and Scout Troopers a few years ago.
er ... they did. there was a set of five Stormtroopers, another of five Sandtroopers and a scout on speeder bike. Not for long, but still for longer than the battle droids.
Compel wrote: Dropped seems... Unlikely. Being unable to afford the license, or Disney just withholding the license entirely, seems more likely.
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You guys are all nuts. Since Disney bought anything merchandising goes thru the roof not depletes... See what they did with star wars???? anyone. Since they bought starwars i can't go to walmart without seeing a product with starwars insigna on it. So if anything the cost of licensing goes down, not up.
Disney has owned marvel rights for so long it isn't funny. With them expanding all the DC stuff it is because of the large push toward DC right now. Justice league just starting and the explosion about to start with those movies... kinda like Avengers.
I don't see them doing anything with the Marvel line other then adding to it. They got a decent foundation of models to build on.
That's an interesting position to take...
Aeneades wrote:Press statement up on Facebook, Marvel licence has been dropped.
Oops!
This is a bummer.
Hopefully someone else picks up the license for this type of game for the Marvel line - but if they do, would they also change the scale, even if only slightly?
I used the news an excuse to pick up a few figs I have been debating getting for a while. At least a couple (Daredevil and Punisher) will work with the Suicide Squad box game/Batman game I bought. Low level fighters/shooters ought to fit into the game decently even if they are the wrong franchise...
Lego happily covers DC and Marvel so I doubt they were forced to choose. Definitely feels a bit like they cranked out the popular Marvel stuff, realised anything else would have diminishing returns and so dropped the extra expense of the license.
That, and the fact that taking on HP and DC means that at the licensing level, they're only dealing with Warner Bros rather than them and Disney. So if it was a case that it wasn't financially viable to keep all 3 licenses, Marvel is the 'sensible' one to drop. Still a huge shame, though, there were so many models I was looking forward to seeing.
At this point, my question is if any other companies will pick up this particular IP?
Knight models seems to be losing the IP for 35mm metal tabletop games model and 75mm metal collectors models.
Any companies out there than can take the lead and build their own gaming system based on the same 35mm metal tabletop theme? Preferably one that communicates and can continue to build on a model line, rather than abandon their project a year into release?
I could almost see FFG going after it, if you think about it Marvel could almost work on the same sort of model as X-wing. Pre-painted figures to cash in on popularity and get board gamers in as well, lots of potential for upgrades/alternative card content bundled with models, small model count, massive potential audience and scope for ongoing support....
I hope someone gets the license and keeps doing Marvel minis though. If they come with new rules that are even better (The KM Supers rules can be very fun, but do have a lot of flaws, I think) then brilliant, if not it'll be easy to house-rule new models into the MUMG rules with homemade cards.
I suppose that depends on how narrow the existing licencing deals are. If Wizkids have the licence to produce "Prepainted collectable gaming miniatures" that would pretty much rule out the possibility of an X-Wing like offering from FFG.
Siygess wrote: I suppose that depends on how narrow the existing licencing deals are. If Wizkids have the licence to produce "Prepainted collectable gaming miniatures" that would pretty much rule out the possibility of an X-Wing like offering from FFG.
They can be pretty narrow. A lot of people were surprised when Wizkids released unpainted Pathfinder plastic miniatures as Reaper already had them with bones but since wizkids were blind buys (boosters) they were considered different licenses as far as everyone involved was concerned.
On to Knight dropping Marvel, makes me wonder if poor sales were the reason more then anything. Looking, at least, for the spiderman game I think it was a misstep to make that a clone of the batman game. Maybe if they just focused on the larger power marvel game first might have helped things.
Siygess wrote: I suppose that depends on how narrow the existing licencing deals are. If Wizkids have the licence to produce "Prepainted collectable gaming miniatures" that would pretty much rule out the possibility of an X-Wing like offering from FFG.
I think the key to that phrase is "collectable."
So many things I dislike about the Wizkids version of a superhero tabletop game. Collectable is maybe the worst part. Plus, for me, the pre-painted, the game rules itself, and the horrible models.
Knight Models had done everything I was looking for--quality models, non-collectable (random), hobby-style modeling, but had a poor ruleset for Marvel.
I don;t know what exactly happened for the drop to occur, but we will likely never fully know. This is, for me however, a huge blow to my KM psyche. They had cornered my gaming budget for the last two years, being basically the only games I bought models for. Now, I just bought my last two Marvel models to complete the line, I'm likely not going to buy into the DC version of the game (I don;t even know who Black Adam is), and I'm going to be pretty exclusive in my BMG buys. I guess I should be happy, and KM just saved me $100 a month that I had been spending to keep up with their releases.
For what it's worth, Black Adam is a pretty cool dude in the DC universe.
He's kinda like DC's version of Doctor Doom crossed with Apocalypse in a few ways. - Ancient, mythical Middle Eastern figure with magical powers is revived in the present time. He then becomes (somehow, I'm not *that* familiar with the character), leader of the country of Khan'daq.
He's the typical enemy of Shazam but is also a major threat to Superman, having similar powers to the standard superhero stuff but being magical based.
His backstory is essentially just that he was a predecessor to Captain Marvel granted the same ability to become a magic powered Superman by saying "Shazam" by the wizard of the same name. Ultimately, his power drove him to tyranny and the wizard sought a new champion but couldn't take it away from Black Adam. He's pretty literally just an evil Captain Marvel (DC's Captain Marvel that is...).
As Compel said, what makes him interesting is that he's similar in a lot of ways to Dr. Doom. He's a dictator, but genuinely cares for his subjects and his biggest flaw is almost always that his power leads him to believe in his own decisions over the right of others to choose their own mistakes; even if what he's trying to accomplish is ultimately the actual "right" answer to things.
Seems, like Marvel license came up for renewal and Knight Models couldn't justify the cost.
Too bad because they seemed to sit on the license, then "produce" the Spiderman game, then finally got around to a proper MU game. A few steps more than SW* though.
Iain.
* sighing as I imagine a Knight Model's Rogue One skirmish game...
So very sad to see that go. Hopefully there will be some fan base stuff having to substitute hero clix models and make some stat cards for them. I was really hoping to see Juggernaut, warmachine, quicksiliver, scarlet witch, iceman, bishop, cable, stryfe.. To not see such beautiful models come to life makes me sad. I like the way the marvel game played too. boo knight models another step backwards.
Good news is the cards can be downloaded for free and heroclix are plentiful. If fans make a template for the cards, we can make new characters (ghost rider, red hulk, sooo many marvel characters and heroclix for them).
Sad to see it go, but KM dumped star wars after a few short years, now marvel after just over a year, LOTR after a few years, etc. I suspect Harry potter to not sell well (many more marvel fans than hp fans... esp fans that will play wargames). They will only have the license for a couple years and then they'll be onto another game.
The only license that is ongoing is dc. Bmg is a blast, and the bmg works well with the mumg. I just hope they make more dc characters that are power 6-8. Otherwise games are being over run by high power characters everywhere.
455_PWR wrote: Good news is the cards can be downloaded for free and heroclix are plentiful. If fans make a template for the cards, we can make new characters (ghost rider, red hulk, sooo many marvel characters and heroclix for them).
Sad to see it go, but KM dumped star wars after a few short years, now marvel after just over a year, LOTR after a few years, etc. I suspect Harry potter to not sell well (many more marvel fans than hp fans... esp fans that will play wargames). They will only have the license for a couple years and then they'll be onto another game.
The only license that is ongoing is dc. Bmg is a blast, and the bmg works well with the mumg. I just hope they make more dc characters that are power 6-8. Otherwise games are being over run by high power characters everywhere.
KM had the Marvel license for almost 8 years if I remember correctly. Although they only did 35mm for 3-4 years
455_PWR wrote: Good news is the cards can be downloaded for free and heroclix are plentiful. If fans make a template for the cards, we can make new characters (ghost rider, red hulk, sooo many marvel characters and heroclix for them).
Sad to see it go, but KM dumped star wars after a few short years, now marvel after just over a year, LOTR after a few years, etc. I suspect Harry potter to not sell well (many more marvel fans than hp fans... esp fans that will play wargames). They will only have the license for a couple years and then they'll be onto another game.
The only license that is ongoing is dc. Bmg is a blast, and the bmg works well with the mumg. I just hope they make more dc characters that are power 6-8. Otherwise games are being over run by high power characters everywhere.
KM had the Marvel license for almost 8 years if I remember correctly. Although they only did 35mm for 3-4 years
Yepp, this is correct. They were starting out with the Marvel 75 mm Collector series, and was running it for several years before moving onto the 35 mm range. They started their sales early 2009, and then must have had the licence before that, so since 2008 for sure.
The forces are also backed up by Militia Brutes. Even better equipped then their smaller team mates, Brutes are armoured and enhanced with Cybernetics.
Also to note is the new Militia henchmen on either side of the medic, although they've been seen before in both the Suicide Squad book and the Flarrow book. New Nightwing is awesome though, really happy there's an Arkham Knight version, and interested to see what his rules are like. I've made a sort of vow to own all the variants of Dick Grayson they make, as he's my favourite character, and they announced this just as I've finished painting my Boy Wonder
Rygnan wrote: Also to note is the new Militia henchmen on either side of the medic, although they've been seen before in both the Suicide Squad book and the Flarrow book. New Nightwing is awesome though, really happy there's an Arkham Knight version, and interested to see what his rules are like. I've made a sort of vow to own all the variants of Dick Grayson they make, as he's my favourite character, and they announced this just as I've finished painting my Boy Wonder
Looking at the other AK releases, my guess for Nightwing is that he'll have Teamwork/2 with Batman for sure, probably be a Free Agent this time. Robin went from FA to Sidekick with his AK release, and Red Hood went from Sidekick to FA, so if that continues Nightwing will also make the shift (which is great, it would make running him and Batgirl a lot more viable while still leaving room for Batman in the Leader slot). All the others also have special abilities directly inspired by their videogame movesets (Robin's shield, Red Hood's execution move), but I'm not sure what Nightwing could really gain there, he doesn't really have anything unique apart from his area-of-effect stun batons, which the old version already has.
So compared to the older one, this Nightwing gains Agile, Teamwork, Reflexes and 1 Movement along with the Heir rule (which I'm not convinced is a benefit) for 10 rep... Not bad, but he was already expensive, I was kind of hoping for a cheaper version.
Badass model though, and the new Penguin stuff does look great (if a little unnecessary/unexpected when at least 3 factions are still waiting on starter sets)
I like the Nightwing. Don't forget Charismatic: he's a proper Teen Titan leader.
And as for Penguin, well, he has lagged behind in the goon quality stakes. It's balancing with Joker, basically.
Said the Penguin player
With Heir and Charismatic, he's a good Titans leader, without having to use the explicit Teen Titans rules. Maybe even a better Titans list than when actually using the Titans rules.
not huge savings but worth a look for the range in stock at least
Edit: Wayland seem to deliver rapidly enough if it's marked 'in stock',
but stuff marked 'available to order' has to come from a supplier (who may not have any either) so be aware that they might not be able to supply them in any sort of timely fashion and if your order gets caught like this it will (likely) not ship until everything has arrived. Personally i'd avoid mixing the two types of item in an order
I normally see them at $25 Australian (though I normally try to get them cheaper) so that currently works out to about 15 pounds according to XE's current conversion. So not too far I guess.
My favourite pick is the Blackgate Prisoners II set which I keep seeing for around US$16 despite it having 4 units inside.
That is often the same price as a single unit blister that I can get from MM.
I tend to stick with The Outpost or Troll Trader on Ebay, they usually have single figures set at £12.50 or so (including shipping in TT's case), so they're still as cheap or cheaper than a lot of Wayland's 'deals'.
New models on the horizon. Professor Pyg (AK version) and his dolltrons will likely be out next month.
Also, a sneak peak of a tournament exclusive model for the year. To be fair, not much is know about this yet; KM have not done tournament exclusive models yet, so is a bit of speculation.
Interesting. I wonder if Pyg will be his own crew, or whether he'll be a Free Agent who then unlocks the Dolls if you take him. Quite menacing models in any case.
Paradigm wrote: Interesting. I wonder if Pyg will be his own crew, or whether he'll be a Free Agent who then unlocks the Dolls if you take him. Quite menacing models in any case.
I really doubt he'll be his own crew, purely because there's just not enough stuff they can add other than spamming Dollotrons
If you're going to be playing Arkham Knight the game it's worth doing that before looking to closely at the AK models or the already released AK character card. Thar be spoilers in dem hills
But the game is based off the arkham video game lines... I prefer those minis to the comics and movies. That's why the game has been a success, it's different.
I'm in for a book too. Only issue is most of the le books can only be purchased from km direct, which means a book and promo mini will set you back about $80-$110 with shipping to the usa, the last green arrow book cost me that much from km).
I'm assuming he will be like the Harley and red hood joker minis. New card art and miniature, but same rules.
455_PWR wrote: But the game is based off the arkham video game lines... I prefer those minis to the comics and movies. That's why the game has been a success, it's different.
I'm in for a book too. Only issue is most of the le books can only be purchased from km direct, which means a book and promo mini will set you back about $80-$110 with shipping to the usa, the last green arrow book cost me that much from km).
I'm assuming he will be like the Harley and red hood joker minis. New card art and miniature, but same rules.
I picked up limited edition books from the Warstore, they were delivered with the figures. I know other US web stores carried them as well.
Paradigm wrote: I'm pretty sure KM's last facebook post said you could still get the LE Knight with pre-orders from retailers.
Yep, a knight employee confirmed in the Arkham City Limits Facebook group that the model will be available for a limited time with purchase of the new book from any retailer. They did a similar thing earlier this month with the early limited edition books and Callander man.
Is there a set date each month that the new releases are released?
Here in Aus they usually get here around 2nd to last week every month. Best way to check I see to see if the Combat Company have it in stock, they're usually the first to get them in, although if they've sold out it'll show up wrong
Is there a set date each month that the new releases are released?
Here in Aus they usually get here around 2nd to last week every month. Best way to check I see to see if the Combat Company have it in stock, they're usually the first to get them in, although if they've sold out it'll show up wrong
In USA East region best way for a preorder is to preorder it only about half the online retailers do preorders though. Usually post them about 2 days to a week after knights models post them in their News section of their website. Online retailers seem to get them in USA about a month after they go up on knight model website and then you get them shipped to you about 2 days later if you don't preorder.
For example lastest releases it has had on knight models News section for a few weeks now with new Riddler Crew etc... shows they release on 2/28/17 but they are still preorder only on the few sites you can preorder from in USA (I only know of two). The discount sites don't even list them yet and probably won't for another 2 weeks to a month. So the release date is 2/28/17. If not preordered earliest will see them on a site is probably mid march latest last week of march. There is no way to estimate that as I have seen some as soon as two weeks and others not listed for over a month.
No pics of models yet, but KM is hinting that Aquaman and Supergirls are coming. Still questions as to whether or not they will be for the DCU game, Batman game, or both.
Also; current rumors (from reliable sources) are saying that by Friday March 10 ALL MARVEL MODELS WILL BE PULLED FROM SHELVES AND WEBSITES.
Well, first of all they can't stop stores from selling the product; the stores have bought em and can sell em, even if KM stopped making them. So...that info should end up being bubkis. KM lost the license. The stores didn't.
timetowaste85 wrote: Well, first of all they can't stop stores from selling the product; the stores have bought em and can sell em, even if KM stopped making them. So...that info should end up being bubkis. KM lost the license. The stores didn't.
What I'm reading is that KM is threatening to end working relations with companies that do not remove the stock. This won't affect all stores, but take it as you will. Source is strong.
timetowaste85 wrote: Well, first of all they can't stop stores from selling the product; the stores have bought em and can sell em, even if KM stopped making them. So...that info should end up being bubkis. KM lost the license. The stores didn't.
What I'm reading is that KM is threatening to end working relations with companies that do not remove the stock. This won't affect all stores, but take it as you will. Source is strong.
Pretty sure all but the smallest independents will piss themselves laughing at that "threat" KM must be delusional.
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plastictrees wrote: Lego happily covers DC and Marvel so I doubt they were forced to choose. Definitely feels a bit like they cranked out the popular Marvel stuff, realised anything else would have diminishing returns and so dropped the extra expense of the license.
Looks at DC releases and thinks diminishing returns might not be an issue the calander man says high.
timetowaste85 wrote: Well, first of all they can't stop stores from selling the product; the stores have bought em and can sell em, even if KM stopped making them. So...that info should end up being bubkis. KM lost the license. The stores didn't.
What I'm reading is that KM is threatening to end working relations with companies that do not remove the stock. This won't affect all stores, but take it as you will. Source is strong.
Yeah...KM pissed off a LOT of folks with the Marvel license disappearing and axing it without much warning. If they make good on this "threat", they're gonna go out of business. This isn't GW making a threat. They're a little guy.
.Mikes. wrote: Heading into my FLGS for a game fo bats this evening. I'll ask if they've been told anything.
Just checked my emails my small local store apologised for being unable to fulfill my order, the 3 largest uk stores all confirmed delivery of stock today and that my orders had been posted.
On a side note.the local store confirmed that no further KM product will be carried going forward. Oh and nearly missed.it but the otber local store said the same thing and is clearing all there current KM DC stock in a 3 for 2 offer.
I guess it must be a spanish thing like corvus belli were they don't want to get big enough and profitable enough for tax reasons.
I'm going to also confirm that FRP games, an online site that I have used often, now no longer has any KM Marvel products listed on line. Not just out of stock, but gone.
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The Warstore no longer lists KM Marvel line.
Miniature Market and Game Nerdz still list and have limited stock.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: Even though nobody can prevent the marvel stuff being sold marvel/KM can probably prevent the images being used to sell them online
which may explain why some of the online stores are removing things even if they don't care about KM threat
You've never heard of eBay have you? Go look for Knight Model's Star Wars stuff...
Most of the online stores have probably removed the Marvel stuff because it was a small line and sold out. Knowing there will never be a restock they wisely shuttered the pages.
I can see why small stores will abandon Knight Models. High priced low turn over models and a company that looks erratic to them. Heck, it makes me worried seeing what happened to the Star Wars and now Marvel licenses.
Pretty sure all but the smallest independents will piss themselves laughing at that "threat" KM must be delusional.
It may not have been their decision. If the cancellation of the Marvel licence included a clause requiring that stock to be removed from sale, they would have to follow through with it or face legal action from Marvel.
Huh. I was wondering why the Marvel range had disappeared from their site. I saw Logan today and went to see if they had an X-23 or an Old Man Logan. Its a shame, I always liked their Marvel stuff more than Batman.
Pretty sure all but the smallest independents will piss themselves laughing at that "threat" KM must be delusional.
It may not have been their decision. If the cancellation of the Marvel licence included a clause requiring that stock to be removed from sale, they would have to follow through with it or face legal action from Marvel.
Just a guess, but that seems likely to me.
What happens to the stores' stock then? Do the stores get a refund on the now useless stock that they paid for and can no longer sell? It'd be pretty fething disgusting and of questionable legality if they didn't get one.
Whilst I don't think KM necessarily acquitted themselves particularly well, this was really out of their hands. Marvel has big lawyers with mouse ears and they are but a tiny company, really. They've made their bed with WB now, we'll see how it goes in the end.
I heard something similar yesterday, suggesting that final restocks heading out to one or more retailers may have been cancelled, although it wasn't clear if this was KM's doing or if the retailer had been told "After date X you can't sell this stuff" and maybe that final restock was due the day after date X.
What happens to the stores' stock then? Do the stores get a refund on the now useless stock that they paid for and can no longer sell? It'd be pretty fething disgusting and of questionable legality if they didn't get one.
Stores would get either a refund or credit against further purchases, depending on whatever arrangement is in place in their contract with KM regarding product recalls.
New Catwoman card is up. Our first model with two cards for BMG and DCU. (and of course she costs 69 rep. ugh)
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Retractable Claws
This Character’s Unarmed Attacks produce Blood + Stun Damage and have the Weapon Trait Sharp.
Coward’s Reward (1SC)
Until the end of the round, when an enemy model in base-to-base contact with this character wishes to move away, it must first pass an Agility roll or suffer one stun damage.
Sneaking
At the start of the Victory Points
and Casualty Recount Phase, this
model can move up to 5 cm, using
the rules for normal movement
(but with no cost in MC).
