Nah thats a Henchman Icon, he can be a henchmen in BatB, League and CoO.

Free Agent Icon looks like Deathstroke's mask

 AduroT wrote:
He’s a Free Agent, works for BatB, League, and another I forget off hand.

He's a henchman. No Slade mask there.

He also works for the Court of Owls and has an alternate Owl mask head option.

Kind of annoyed to have to buy Goliath. I mean, I get that they're learning resin and its much easier to pull off dynamic sculpts with bigger models in the stuff, but he's not what I want that pack for.

Damian himself seems cool, but its kind of annoying he's not designed to be cheap enough to make it easier to work in the more expensive Batmans in Bat Family. The bundle they're selling is even 27 points over. Still excited. Damian is the first Robin I've really liked beyond the original.

Most importantly, the inclusion of this Penguin means that KM have the right to the Tim Burton/Warner movies.

So, maybe there with be a Nickelson Joker, a Keaton Batman, a new Alfred, and Bat-Nipples!

 drazz wrote:
Most importantly, the inclusion of this Penguin means that KM have the right to the Tim Burton/Warner movies.

So, maybe there with be a Nickelson Joker, a Keaton Batman, a new Alfred, and Bat-Nipples!

I'm not so sure. While that's clearly what they're going for, the Duck car and penguin troops have made appearances elsewhere without being branded Batman Returns. The only thing they'd probably need the rights for is Devito's Penguin, and that doesn't appear to be what we got here.

No sign that they're DC Universe though.

I would have thought Goliath would be perfect for it.

Rumor is they're going to be relaunching the DCU game soon and aren't working on new model rules for the current edition. Feels in line with the sudden sense of putting out a well managed game system we've seen in the last couple months overall.

I have had it confirmed from 2 separate sources that DCU is getting a new edition, including one of the original designers who they've asked back. Sigh.

Really like those new sets. Can you only pick them up from their website, i don't think i ever saw any of the other group buys anywhere else prior?

I think it's adorable that Damien's "True Love" is Talia.

The Court guys are interesting.

angel of death 007 wrote:
Really like those new sets. Can you only pick them up from their website, i don't think i ever saw any of the other group buys anywhere else prior?

The Bat-Boxes only hit retail stores about 2 weeks ago, the first wave only came last month. I'd say you can expect more to come later, but they'll all be available in stores

 Rygnan wrote:

angel of death 007 wrote:
Really like those new sets. Can you only pick them up from their website, i don't think i ever saw any of the other group buys anywhere else prior?

The Bat-Boxes only hit retail stores about 2 weeks ago, the first wave only came last month. I'd say you can expect more to come later, but they'll all be available in stores

Still haven’t gotten em here yet.

 AduroT wrote:

 Rygnan wrote:

angel of death 007 wrote:
Really like those new sets. Can you only pick them up from their website, i don't think i ever saw any of the other group buys anywhere else prior?

The Bat-Boxes only hit retail stores about 2 weeks ago, the first wave only came last month. I'd say you can expect more to come later, but they'll all be available in stores

Still haven’t gotten em here yet.

I was more referring to when they first showed up, my local only got them 2 days ago. Should've made that clearer

This stuff is the November releases. They won't be in stores until the end of the month which realistically means the start of the next.

Forget November. We still ain’t gotten Ivy and Shark and the stuff they previewed/put up for preorder in July. The Metal Knights were the last thing I think we got a couple months ago.

Yeah, looks like we're back to the US getting models 2-3 months after the UK market.

Given the deluge of resin recasts they're relaunching, I'm not surprised there's some distribution snags. FWIW, Miniature Market just got the Bat Boxes in.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
New models and sets up today for preorder.

Spoiler:

The new version of Damian is a henchmen, time for a Nightwing, Red Hood and Robin Team?

You can do Team Robin currently at ~350:
Nightwing (any) & Carrie Kelly as Sidekicks, with Tim Drake, Damian Wayne (50 pts) & Red Hood AK as free agents.

The only concern now is if you are limited to only newer models, since Damian goes up 10, Nightwing is his most expensive, and the complete lack of any Tim Drake/Red Robin to complete the set.
Kellys not a big loss, at least they never made a Carrie Kelly Catwoman...

 ThaneCawdor wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
New models and sets up today for preorder.

Spoiler:

The new version of Damian is a henchmen, time for a Nightwing, Red Hood and Robin Team?

You can do Team Robin currently at ~350:
Nightwing (any) & Carrie Kelly as Sidekicks, with Tim Drake, Damian Wayne (50 pts) & Red Hood AK as free agents.

The only concern now is if you are limited to only newer models, since Damian goes up 10, Nightwing is his most expensive, and the complete lack of any Tim Drake/Red Robin to complete the set.
Kellys not a big loss, at least they never made a Carrie Kelly Catwoman...

I didnt realize I could have that many Free Agents, and dont you need a leader in the crew? Restricting you to Nightwing (AK)?

Any sidekick can be leader and take a sidekick.

Huh alright. Is that a change for 2e? Or was the Heir to the Cowl rule that Nightwing (AK) had just pointless?

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
Huh alright. Is that a change for 2e? Or was the Heir to the Cowl rule that Nightwing (AK) had just pointless?

Sorry, confusion in wording. You don't need a Leader, you need a Boss and Sidekicks can be your Boss (and obviously, so can Leaders). The difference is, Leaders have an aura for free Let's Go!, have the Inspire trait and can reroll failed Willpower rolls. So when Nightwing is your Boss instead of Batman, he gains those abilities. A normal Sidekick acting as Boss doesn't have them. I should have said "any sidekick can be boss".

Ah, that makes sense. Thanks for the explanation.


Hopefully as more of these starter boxes get released I'll be able to convince people to buy in so I can learn the rules a bit better.

New rules for Teams posted today via Knight Models Facebook Page;

https://www.knightmodels.com/img/cms/PDF%20DOWNLOADS/TEAMS_BMG_ENGLISH_OCT18_v1-0.pdf

Anyone know what changed from the previous version of this doc?

You arent limited to running Crews, you can run teams of multiple Heroes or Villains. Provides a way to use The Dark Knights, or really which ever villains you want teamed up. Themed Batfamily/Arrowverse/Villain Society builds.


Edit; Reading error on my part.

There must be some rules I'm missing somewhere because I'm not seeing where it states that we can team up characters that aren't on those themed lists.

None of the Dark Knights are part of those lists and none of them have any team keywords that would allow them to be played together.

Is there another official document that has more teams?

I'm not seeing any changes from last week when they added Damian to Bat Family and a few other things. Maybe they just realized they forgot to announce last week's changes?

 rybackstun wrote:
There must be some rules I'm missing somewhere because I'm not seeing where it states that we can team up characters that aren't on those themed lists.

None of the Dark Knights are part of those lists and none of them have any team keywords that would allow them to be played together.

Is there another official document that has more teams?

My bad I miss read and was told something different as well. Hopefully they work it so you can do more. So I guess its just them posting the changes to FB rather than completely new.

 LunarSol wrote:
I'm not seeing any changes from last week when they added Damian to Bat Family and a few other things. Maybe they just realized they forgot to announce last week's changes?

There aren't any changes, this is it. Just adding the new stuff to teams (Damo into Batfam, Scarecrow and Grundy into Society)

Knight Models is having a two-part Black Friday deal.

First, all models that have been exclusives to this point are on sale as regular purchases this week.

Also, 20% off coupon for their webstore using the code: BlackFriday18

Does this include the Marvel models as “exclusive”??

Nah, it's this lot:



As a sidenote, don't buy that bundle, it's more expensive than buying them individually.

It looks like it's free shipping for £50 orders pre-discount.

And orders of £75 or so get Hawaiian Shirt Joker for free.

Hawaiian Shirt Joker has gone now, I believe. I still had him in my basket from last month but he vanished when checking out, tried to make a new order on my PC as well since but he isn’t automatically adding to cart like he used to. (There may have been a very short crossover when he was still available at same time as Black Friday deals but appears to have been removed quite quickly)

edit: Just seem he seems to be back again since I tried earlier today

 drazz wrote:

First, all models that have been exclusives to this point are on sale as regular purchases this week.

Just want to point out that this isn't quite true, it isn't everything. Red Hood Joker, Alfred, Black Flash and Arkham Knight Sniper aren't available, it's only everything since Gencon last year.

Great value in the sale though, some of the other bundles are good collections. All the limited models are very good sculpts and rules, and its great to see a few more things being taken off the Eternal list (which I assume is happening because Batmatch isn't available atm).

Aeneades wrote:
Hawaiian Shirt Joker has gone now, I believe. I still had him in my basket from last month but he vanished when checking out, tried to make a new order on my PC as well since but he isn’t automatically adding to cart like he used to. (There may have been a very short crossover when he was still available at same time as Black Friday deals but appears to have been removed quite quickly)

edit: Just seem he seems to be back again since I tried earlier today

I found he would only appear in my cart if I had the currency set to €.

New box set, League of Assassins: The Demon's Heir
https://www.knightmodels.com/en/batman-miniature-game/the-league-of-assassins-demon-s-heir.html

The two new characters, and a new Talia:



Also Ratcatcher
https://www.knightmodels.com/en/batman-miniature-game/ratcatcher.html

They've been putting out excellent stuff lately and Standard really feels like a game with a lot more thought put into it than ever before. I've been really enjoying the game since the change.

Talia's stuff is really cool but I kind of hate the Heretic on principle. Rapidly aged evil clones are the worst narrative trope out there.

 LunarSol wrote:
They've been putting out excellent stuff lately and Standard really feels like a game with a lot more thought put into it than ever before. I've been really enjoying the game since the change.

Talia's stuff is really cool but I kind of hate the Heretic on principle. Rapidly aged evil clones are the worst narrative trope out there.

I agree with you on Heretic, but for the rest of the models in the set, particularly Talia and Cheshire I can forgive it.

This set is getting me one more person to play against as I try to talk more people into the game.

I'm glad KM releases stuff every month, but I wish they'd toss some hints out at future models coming down the pipeline.

At this point I'm just waiting for Militia to hit a Batbox and then I'll go full in.

 rybackstun wrote:
I'm glad KM releases stuff every month, but I wish they'd toss some hints out at future models coming down the pipeline.

At this point I'm just waiting for Militia to hit a Batbox and then I'll go full in.

They throw up the riddle things on their Facebook page, but that's not really a long term thing. I get the impression that their production capabilities are pretty limited and what they release is kind of bound to the demands on their production line.

Ever since doing resin their prices have went down yet their quality went up. I commend them, when a certain other company went to fine crap, all their prices did was go up and their quality went down exponentially.

Their new models and box boxes are excellent.

A silent release, likely because none of the models are new, but....

https://www.knightmodels.com/en/batman-miniature-game/bat-box-militia-invasion-force.html


Militia is out in Resin, and the superior Arkham Knight model (previously campaign book preorder limited model) is in the box.

very nice but I got them in metal and they are nice

Yeah, I've got all of them except the Shieldguy, Night Stick LT and Brute.

But I got them again anyway because I prefer resin and my metal ones took a little beating when I moved.

If they’ve done the militia maybe they’ll release the robot tanks they teased with rules in the Arkham Knight book but never mde available?

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
If they’ve done the militia maybe they’ll release the robot tanks they teased with rules in the Arkham Knight book but never mde available?

We probably need the full vehicle rules before that, the ones we originally got are incompatible with 2nd edition. There's also a new Batmobile teased in the compendium that we never got, so plenty to do vehicle wise

Alas, my sources inside tell me we're not getting vehicles again anytime soon except as equipment style upgrades, as per Lobo and Penguin.

Newest releases for Batman,

A new version of Batwoman, who seems like she's really good rules wise and I really like that model.


https://www.knightmodels.com/en/batman-miniature-game/batwoman.html

And Archie + Joker Bikers, Bikers are a neat addition I think.

https://www.knightmodels.com/en/batman-miniature-game/archie-joker-s-bikers.html

Excited to get Batwoman back. Hopefully they'll update the Team document soon to put her in Bat-Fam ( and fix Society).

Her rules are cool, but man that’s a lot of special rules and text on her card.

And they're still getting her name wrong...

Kathy Kane = The original Batwoman who wore yellow and was in love with Bruce. She was written out of continuity years ago and was briefly brought back to meet the current Batwoman in a story written by Grant Morrison.

Kate Kane = The current Batwoman who wears black and red. She's Bruce Wayne's cousin who debuted in '52' and has romantic relationships with Renee Montoya and Maggie Sawyer. She was also kicked out of the military because of 'Don't Ask Don't Tell.' And recently guest starred in the Arrowverse shows with a pilot for her own TV show recently being filmed.

Kate has been called Kathy on occasion in the comics. Though you are right, she's typically just Kate.

I thought that was really weird too, but I haven't been following Detective Comics lately, so I wasn't sure if it was a modern thing (like Clayface in Bat-Fam).

Given they advertised Power Ring with the Green Lantern Oath on their Facebook page the other week, they probably just don’t know the distinction between Kathy and Kate. On the other hand... paint her yellow.

They updated the team document to put Batwoman in it and more importantly bandaid the disaster that is the society team.

https://www.knightmodels.com/en/the-dark-knight-rises.html?fbclid=IwAR0s5hhX4ACMK6z72PQDVL0vn_MMmf6Sg2IP-ZHeAikRywguaLvF1zwOABc

Today's announcement, a new starter, using The Dark Knight Rises as its base. While Im not the biggest fan of the film the set looks interesting.

"A comprehensive starter set, this box is packed full of models and accessories – everything you need to start playing the Batman Miniature Game. Based on the events in the Dark Knight Rises movie, this boxed set contains two complete crews (Batman, Catwoman and the GCPD vs Bane and his mercenaries), including a Batpod and – for the first time – the Tumbler Batmobile! You’ll also find full-colour, slot-together card scenery, markers and counters, cards, and a set of quickstart rules. This is the ultimate boxed set for BMG."

I'm kind of "over" mixing in the Dark Knight aesthetic, but this is a really nice set I'm sure I'll pick up.

Of note, the set comes with rider models for both Batman and Catwoman.

Has anyone else had problems with the quality of Knight Models resin models?

I picked up a Joker Bat-Box on sale a while ago and I'm finally getting around to assembling it, and I don't think I've ever been more disappointed. Not only is it missing pieces, but the resin is really brittle (feels like the figures are cast in charcoal). Tons of flash, nothing fits together, messed up features (including one guy who had his face cast from two unaligned molds and another with half his face damaged beyond repair - completely unfixable). I'm ready to chuck the whole lot in the trash.

Did I get a bad batch, or is the quality always this bad?

 Sqorgar wrote:
Has anyone else had problems with the quality of Knight Models resin models?

I picked up a Joker Bat-Box on sale a while ago and I'm finally getting around to assembling it, and I don't think I've ever been more disappointed. Not only is it missing pieces, but the resin is really brittle (feels like the figures are cast in charcoal). Tons of flash, nothing fits together, messed up features (including one guy who had his face cast from two unaligned molds and another with half his face damaged beyond repair - completely unfixable). I'm ready to chuck the whole lot in the trash.

Did I get a bad batch, or is the quality always this bad?

I think you got a bad batch, because as of yet I have had no issue with their resin.

 Sqorgar wrote:
Has anyone else had problems with the quality of Knight Models resin models?

I picked up a Joker Bat-Box on sale a while ago and I'm finally getting around to assembling it, and I don't think I've ever been more disappointed. Not only is it missing pieces, but the resin is really brittle (feels like the figures are cast in charcoal). Tons of flash, nothing fits together, messed up features (including one guy who had his face cast from two unaligned molds and another with half his face damaged beyond repair - completely unfixable). I'm ready to chuck the whole lot in the trash.

Did I get a bad batch, or is the quality always this bad?

Have you contacted them? Last time I had an issue i contacted them, sent a picture and got a replacement. Took a couple weeks, but I was allowed Toledo the messed up stuff for conversions.

I find their resin okay to good, not fantastic. Detail is good, but there's bubbles and they haven't figured out they need to make some of the parts metal on smaller models (which is why Special Volume has been a popular rule lately...). It helps that the resin is pretty hard, but it does demand a little sharper knife than most I've worked with to clear mold lines. Injection points are pretty numerous but mostly okay. A few "detail or flash?" moments, but the final models turn out quite good overall.

Some of your concerns are definitely unique though. I'm not 100% sure of the usual quality of the Joker box, as its overall pretty old at this point (half the contents are their first gen resins from the launch of 2nd) but Knight has been much better about responding to replacement requests in the last few months.

KM Customer service has improved considerably, as the QC. As long as you have the order number, they're pretty decent.

Some more info on new set:
£115 RRP.
The new fast-play quick start rules with with boxed traits on cards.
The buildings are reskins of the squad ones.
The tumbler and batpod are equipped like the Penguin's Duck or Lobo's Hawg.
I'll try to answer any other questions, I'm getting the first UK review copy in Monday in theory, though 3 of the playtesters will have copies at Salute this weekend.

Of note, I had a request submission to part in hand in under a week recently without an order number (since I bought it from a store). They're definitely getting on top of things it seems.

I've visually checked all the resins I've bought (all Ltd Ed releases), and whilst it's not as thorough as actually cleaning and assembling, I noticed no significant casting issues.

Time will tell when I get into them and/or buy some of the normal game pieces though.

I just need the trio of cops for my GCPD force...

...that I still haven’t played once since the new edition. Man I need to make time to get a game in with the local Batman group.

I have had quite a few miscasts but I have brought a lot of models. Some have been replaced, other requests have been ignored by customer service.

I am still waiting on a reply to my ticket (and several chasers) since last September when one of my packs was missing a model. It was the last straw for me and on principle I am not picking up any new models until they fix the issue which saved me a load of money during the Black Friday sale.

Just getting back into some BMG (admittedly, with the minis from Gotham City Chronicles... ) and thus catching up to 2nd edition, I've noticed a few rules that seem to have either been omitted from or come along later than the Compendium document. Special Volume I can find no mention of, and the new Penguin's Dealer trait also seems absent. Is there an up-to-date repository of such things, or are they just covered with the minis they come with?

Must admit I'm awful tempted by the new Ledger Joker, it has all the same menace and style of the old one but without the oversized head...

 Paradigm wrote:
Just getting back into some BMG (admittedly, with the minis from Gotham City Chronicles... ) and thus catching up to 2nd edition, I've noticed a few rules that seem to have either been omitted from or come along later than the Compendium document. Special Volume I can find no mention of, and the new Penguin's Dealer trait also seems absent. Is there an up-to-date repository of such things, or are they just covered with the minis they come with?

Must admit I'm awful tempted by the new Ledger Joker, it has all the same menace and style of the old one but without the oversized head...

Special Volume is typically listed on the new cards (for newer models), which are often two sided and include the units special rules. IE Talia in the new set on the reverse of her card has "Special Volume S: This model uses a base of 40mm but has the same height and rules as a model on a 30mm base. Also this model gains +1 to its basic movement distance." I would assume that Penguin's Dealer Trait is on his card or in the box.

Ah, ok, cheers for the info. The downloads for the cards don't seem to have that section, just the front, so I guess I'll just have to work around those particular rules. I'm only playing casual narrative games, so it shouldn't be too big of an issue.

Actually, it looks like the individual model pages do have the backs, just not the Batbox ones.

 Paradigm wrote:
Ah, ok, cheers for the info. The downloads for the cards don't seem to have that section, just the front, so I guess I'll just have to work around those particular rules. I'm only playing casual narrative games, so it shouldn't be too big of an issue.

Actually, it looks like the individual model pages do have the backs, just not the Batbox ones.

It’s something they’re working on improving. They’ve moved to rules on the back of cards in place of the compendium which is a huge boost to playability. It requires putting card backs up on the site though which they’re just starting to do consistently on newer releases.

That's fair enough. It does seem that 2e and the changes they've made to the range and rules since I dropped out of the game a few years ago are far better in terms of accessibly and easy of use, so while the compendium is handy, I can see how putting it all on the cards is a good call.

Good to see you interested again Paradigm. And hey, you can always just paint mine for me if you'd rather

 Sqorgar wrote:
Has anyone else had problems with the quality of Knight Models resin models?

I picked up a Joker Bat-Box on sale a while ago and I'm finally getting around to assembling it, and I don't think I've ever been more disappointed. Not only is it missing pieces, but the resin is really brittle (feels like the figures are cast in charcoal). Tons of flash, nothing fits together, messed up features (including one guy who had his face cast from two unaligned molds and another with half his face damaged beyond repair - completely unfixable). I'm ready to chuck the whole lot in the trash.

Did I get a bad batch, or is the quality always this bad?

Their resin and QC is pretty bad. I love the game and the metal models.
I had a few orders and always a bad cast or missing piece. The resin is very brittle.
Took two months to get an order with two additional shipments from them to try and fix.

I want to get a few more sets, but not wanting to roll the dice currently.

Was hoping the starter set was closer to $99. $150 will be harder to get new players in. For $100 I would have got it for the batman side and give the bane crew to a friend to get him started.

Miniatures Market has the Starter Set for $127. Still more than $99 but better than $150.

MM is the only place I have seen it up for preorder? has anyone seen it anywhere else?

Is there any idea when it will actually be released?

Releases April 29th for May 1st delivery, allegedly.

Maybe for Europe, wonder why no one else has the preorder is MM the only place that sales batman anymore?

I know there have been issues with previous retailers and preorders where Knight didn’t make enough for everyone so was shipping to individual retailers at a time. So people had their orders in at shop A, but shop A didn’t get the new stuff right away while shop B did, so they canceled their orders at A and got their stuff from B. Then A finally gets their order in but now everyone already has it so they don’t sell much of it.

A lot of smaller (also larger) companies are struggling with distributors lately and pushing direct sales more. Resin seems to cater to more of an on demand production as well.

Eh, I think I’ve decided to bow out of the Knights Models past my Marvel ones. If anyone US based wants metal Batman, Nightwing, Robin, Red Hood or Deathstroke, PM me. $10 each.

The Warstore used to carry KM. Looks like they don't anymore.

Gamenerdz carries most of the line, but I'm not seeing the new starter as a preorder.

erzengal wrote:


Their resin and QC is pretty bad. I love the game and the metal models.
I had a few orders and always a bad cast or missing piece. The resin is very brittle.
Took two months to get an order with two additional shipments from them to try and fix.

Exact opposite of my experiences with them.

Which part?

The brittle resin or the less then stellar customer service?

Both parts, the resin has seemed perfectly fine to me, except on very thin parts like staffs. Maybe a little flash heavy on a couple pieces but thats it.

Im sure I have missed the individual releases of a few models here and there, but NEW BATBOX


https://www.knightmodels.com/en/batman-miniature-game/teen-titans-bat-box.html

The Teen Titans, featuring Robin, Wonder Girl, Raven, Starfire, Beast Boy (with 3 alt forms), Hawk and Dove.




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https://www.knightmodels.com/en/batman-miniature-game/bronze-tiger.html
Bronze Tiger

Oh and the Jared Leto Joker.

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https://www.knightmodels.com/en/batman-miniature-game/joker-jared-leto-crew.html

Super excited for the Titans.

Wonder Girl is scary as. Leto's gained Exhaustive planner, so is really interesting. Can't deny I'm stoked for Hawk (finally!) and Beast Boy - because currently we use this:

The way Gar’s powers work is really interesting. The only part I find extra weird is his hawk form is Large.

In addition to the three free forms, I hope they make additional ones later that cost points, like the T Rex.

 AduroT wrote:
The way Gar’s powers work is really interesting. The only part I find extra weird is his hawk form is Large.

In addition to the three free forms, I hope they make additional ones later that cost points, like the T Rex.

QFT - like a pack of more/separate Upgrade/equipment cards or similar

 inmygravenimage wrote:
Wonder Girl is scary as. Leto's gained Exhaustive planner, so is really interesting. Can't deny I'm stoked for Hawk (finally!) and Beast Boy - because currently we use this:

Spoiler:

Lol nice.

Hawk and Dove both have me pretty stoked, they look like a great combo to fit into a Team, Hawk especially being able to punch above his points Cost

Someone will drop pictures later, I'm sure, but new Gang called "Cults" and the first models for it are Kobra, which look amazing. I wonder what other groups would go in with Cults tho? Brother Blood seems like a shoe-in for sure but beyond that?

As mentioned above there is a new faction on its way, the Kobra Terrorist Organization and Cult. Though unlike the above im not seeing anywhere that its falling under a broad blanket of "Cults" though anything is possible, after all we are getting the Kobras.



Kobra Batbox
https://www.knightmodels.com/en/batman-miniature-game/bat-box-kobra-kali-yuga.html

Kobra Soldiers
https://www.knightmodels.com/en/batman-miniature-game/kobra-soldiers.html

Kobra Hazard Troopers
https://www.knightmodels.com/en/batman-miniature-game/kobra-hazard-troopers.html

New cult rules:

https://www.knightmodels.com/img/cms/PDF%20DOWNLOADS/CULTS_BMG_ENGLISH_JUN19_v1-0.pdf

Sort of a Team situation in which you can alter the troop selection a bit. Also Faith points, which allows for models to act as bodyguards for the Leader.

Any ideas on other potential cults from DC/Batman?

Ah I missed that post, thanks for sharing.

For Cults they could do The Order of St. Dumas, and the previously mentioned Church of Blood.

Doesn’t Trigon have a cult too?

I think that is the Church of Blood.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
Ah I missed that post, thanks for sharing.

For Cults they could do The Order of St. Dumas, and the previously mentioned Church of Blood.

Ohhhhh that might be an interesting group. Gives us more Azrael which is never a bad thing

Kobra are a really great release with some fun mechanics, I love how they've turned out in the rules. Good self-contained crew with some stuff for the future in Cults, and they don't really have any strictly bad choices either. Definitely considering picking them up, but I already have 2 crews with no paint on them (Grodd and Bane, and I own the whole crews)

Church of blood (Brother/Mother Blood) are separate to the Cult of Trigon. Kobra Cult are great, but I'm worried about yet more rules in the crunchiest game in the world as it is. Cicada Cult is out there in the DCU, which would be interesting and CW-y, Religion of Crime, could maybe see them doing the Srigydae as a way of expanding the Court of Owls also.

 inmygravenimage wrote:
Church of blood (Brother/Mother Blood) are separate to the Cult of Trigon. Kobra Cult are great, but I'm worried about yet more rules in the crunchiest game in the world as it is. Cicada Cult is out there in the DCU, which would be interesting and CW-y, Religion of Crime, could maybe see them doing the Srigydae as a way of expanding the Court of Owls also.

There's also Savitar and his Cult of Speed, which would be a very interesting crew mechanically as well

Little late, but for those of you who play or are looking to play the DC Universe Game,



Physical Copy of all the Rules, for those that prefer such things. Pictured is the Collectors Version. Includes all the fixes from FAQ and Errata.

Cropped image of the Justice League (cinematic Universe) with new Jason Maomoa Aquaman.

Forces of Apokolips, compiling the already released stuff, with Big Barda as the new model.

JLD complied into one pack, with the DCU Cards

Assorted Batman Villains, with DCU Cards

Crime Syndicate Bundle Box

So not a terribly large amount of new stuff, mostly bundles. But still pretty neat.

Mildly grumpy about the new model BS, but I'm mostly just glad they didn't kill off the game.

I'm really looking forward to it. I love DCU as a game. Getting a review copy, interested to see how the game's evolved. Being slightly on the inside, I know that the game's had a very long playtest period. Minimum range is Gone so you can now power blast people in the face! Woo. Allegedly Superman has had a major fix. We shall see though because KM

NIce. I still need to give DCU a try, I've mostly been trying to get people I know to play BMG, but getting more powers would be nice.

@Compel, I get the grumpyness. But I guess they needed a lure to get people to get the other models (or they had a surplus).

Man, Knight Models sure do know how to take great photos of their models! I am tempted by the physical rulebook. Are the rules still basically the same as their old Marvel game?

The cult group sounds fun.
Anyone had any issues with model quality on the newer releases?

I’ve seen people have a number of issues with the resin. Models are usually pock marked to varying degree, and stuff like ankles and Constantine’s smoke are very brittle. Also their sculpts are very two dimensional due to them being one piece models.

Not all the new models are one piece, quite a few are multipart.

I have had some issue with the new models but I was buying almost every new release. The main issue I saw was an incomplete model where a piece of resin must have broken off in the mould previously and not been removed. Knight have improved customer service quite a lot in the last year and if it goes on too long you can usually hurry things up via Facebook messenger.

Doom Patrol!!
https://www.facebook.com/134205016679825/posts/1959314014168907/

erzengal wrote:
The cult group sounds fun.
Anyone had any issues with model quality on the newer releases?

I've only had issues with some of their initial resin releases. But for the most part the models are fine. The sculpts, even the monopiece ones are pretty ok and even the most boring look better when you have paint on them.

The Cult is very fun, I picked up the box when they first came out and they play nicely.

As for Doom Patrol I was just telling a friend I would like to see them get models.

The resins are good, but take some practice to clean properly. They put a little gate under the chins to make sure the face casts correctly that's easy to miss prior to painting. The models feel frail, but on the whole they're quite nice. I've been pretty thrilled with the Teen Titans box. Also, the Batman game itself is a lot better these days; creeping up my favorites list. Hoping DCU turns out well. The original had a lot of potential but just needed some polish.

GenCon and Webstore exclusive for the duration of GenCon. Grifter, Free Agent for The Brave and The Bold.

Are you from the 90's? You are? I couldn't tell....

On a related note, apparently they're releasing Supermullet along with the DCU relaunch.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:


GenCon and Webstore exclusive for the duration of GenCon. Grifter, Free Agent for The Brave and The Bold.

Haven’t paid attention to the comic industry in years, did DC swallow up Image/Wildstorm? I know Jim Lee is president of DC(or so I was told).

Yeah looking it up, Grifter has been in DC since at least New 52.


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Also forgot, theres a pre-order special for the new DCU Book which includes CLASSIC LEX.

yup, some time ago. Madness. Makes no sense and the character are wasted.

They played a big part in Flashpoint and DC tried to launch them into the DCU proper after, but it didn't really get that much attention.

I do want that Lex. I run him in the suit in a Society list and he'd make a great model for when the suit is disabled.

Currently, or at least most recently, the Wildcats are existing in a side AU to the main canon. They’ve got some of the same names, attached to alternate versions of the characters. Aqua man was a genetic experiment half fish person who was a serial killer. Flash took drugs to run faster and was a serial killer. Hell, most of the DC heroes were messed up serial killers of some form or another.

In other GenCon news, momoa is going to be available from the outset online, penguin is getting bikers, and Watchmen are coming with Dr Manhattan as their objective.

Team rules now include Doom Patrol.

https://www.knightmodels.com/en/downloads.html?fbclid=IwAR0Vh7OvF3S6KCmcWB04aYOZQCxiaiP8ArltgdvFI8X_TWqd9v6-fHSoDLI

Their team rules are interesting...

Apparently Gustavo Cuadrado, the games designer for Knight Models, passed away this week.

https://thelostvictorian.blogspot.com/2019/08/in-memoriam-gustavo-cuadrado.html?m=1

They've been teasing some new stuff on their facebook the last few days. From what I've caught it's a Jason Todd Robin model and a LexCorp BattleBox for DCUMG.

Plus the DCUMG repacks of Bat Villains, Crime Syndicate, Justice League, and Justice League Dark that they released last month, since it's been a while for this thread.





That lexbox looks like it includes Metallo which would be a new character for DCUMG

With that Jason coming out, Im one model closer to being able to run an all Robin Crew.

That LexCorp list is what I might have to pick up for DCU.

I really do like the Lexcorp heavy trooper model.

Lex is still top-tier as a BMG boss. He's very difficult to run well in DCU - not that he isn't good, he is, just hard to play. Interesting to see how he works in DCU2.

Neat looking Watchmen group, and IIRC Manhattan is their special object in the box.

What kind of rules could Manhattan possibly have? He can literally think the other team out of existence.

 AduroT wrote:
What kind of rules could Manhattan possibly have? He can literally think the other team out of existence.

He isn't a proper model in game. Like the quantum donkey for the Doom Patrol, he's their objective and probably messes around with the table rather than the opponent

Those Watchmen figures are nicely painted, but I hate boring at rest sculpts for gaming figures.

Are you sure it's Manhattan and not Bubastis? Either way, I suppose you need everything in the Batbox like last edition, correct?

That's an... interesting pose that Owlman is in. Him and Ozy might look good in that kind of diorama-like group shot, but they're going to look a bit strange running around the table like that...

 Soul Samurai wrote:
That's an... interesting pose that Owlman is in. Him and Ozy might look good in that kind of diorama-like group shot, but they're going to look a bit strange running around the table like that...

Its taken from DC's Watchmen prequel comics:



Knight has done more diorama like models since switching to resin. It gives them larger chunks of material to work with and makes for some unique poses and great recreations of comic art, but also puts a lot of random chairs on the battlefield.

 LunarSol wrote:

 Soul Samurai wrote:
That's an... interesting pose that Owlman is in. Him and Ozy might look good in that kind of diorama-like group shot, but they're going to look a bit strange running around the table like that...

Its taken from DC's Watchmen prequel comics:

Spoiler:

Knight has done more diorama like models since switching to resin. It gives them larger chunks of material to work with and makes for some unique poses and great recreations of comic art, but also puts a lot of random chairs on the battlefield.

Prequel comics? I didn't know about those. Well, I wouldn't have read them anyway; after my miserable experience with the Rising Stars spin-offs I'm pretty sour on prequels and spin-offs to "one and done" stories like Watchmen.

Well, the pose makes much more sense now. Looks like a nice model for display at least.

alan moore would agree with you. He hates them & what ive read was less than stellar.

That Jason Todd Robin sculpt is easily my favorite KM DC figure out there. Damn!! I’m seriously impressed.

I recently got the DC Universe Miniatures Game hardback and I figured I'd highlight some of the changes compared to older versions of the rules. - Some of these were implemented in more recent rules updates and faqs of the PDF versions, apparently, but I don't print out a new rulebook each time I play, so, *shrug*.


* Person with initiative can make the other person go first.

* When a model activates, it must use a non-zero amount of power counters. (so you can't keep it all for defensive things)

* The game will end early if everyone on a team is KO/dead. The standing player gets bonus vp

* You can only use 1 reactive or passive power against an attack.

* Effects are now capped to a certain value over a round. - This includes Stun power counter loss. (NB: I'm sorta confused by this one, but that's what it says, Stun was even the example.)

* Minimum range isn't a thing anymore.

* Knocked down and KO is now a smaller penalty

* Recovering from KO is a lesser penalty than before.

* Thrown items, must try to allocate at least 1 damage to everything in a line of throw.

Whole bunch of stuff for DCU today.



New Superman



Legion of Doom



Mongul and Cyborg Superman



Eradicator

And then the LexCorp Army everyone has seen.

And for BMG, the new Robin (Jason Todd) and The Watchmen.

Eradicator and Cyborg Superman? That brings back memories...

Eradicator in particular has had a good run in the comics lately. I'm now going to need a Zod crew for him to go with...

 inmygravenimage wrote:
Eradicator in particular has had a good run in the comics lately. I'm now going to need a Zod crew for him to go with...

I've been out of the comics scene for a while now, I didn't realise Eradicator was still around; for some reason I thought he was killed in the whole "return of Superman" storyline? Although when has that ever mattered in a comic book...

Wasn't expecting this many models to be released for this wave. Will probably grab Watchmen and if they come with BMG cards, the Lexcorp group.

Cryptic video put up on FB today, ends with "III" which most posters have taken to imply 3rd Edition may be coming.

While Im not entirely opposed to a 3rd Edition, it would be very soon after the release of 2nd and I can't come up with any big issues with the game requiring a new edition.

Hopefully it something different, like perhaps a Campaign book, which we haven't had a new one of since the end of First Edition.

Might be like DCUMG 2nd ed where it just streamlines the game but the characters and cards stay the same.

We'll see what the future brings.

Here's hoping that it's actually the third 2-player starter box, and just as Suicide Squad was released to coincide with the movie, perhaps this will be a Birds of Prey 2-player box.

I would not say no to new BoP minis!

Not to rain on anyone's parade:
I have heard from a reliable source that it is a true 3rd edition, with a considerable amount of streamlining.

That's the buzz I've heard as well.

Conflicted on it. 2nd Ed has really found its groove and it feels far too soon for a change. On the other hand, the actual 2nd Ed launch was kind of a flop and the groove 2nd Ed found is more or less completely different from with all the changes introduced in the last year or so. A 3rd Ed built on the modern game might really take the game where its always had the potential to go.

I might jump on board with 3rd...

Is their resin work better now?

 Alpharius wrote:
I might jump on board with 3rd...

Is their resin work better now?

For the most part, I think so. It's quite stiff for the most part and I haven't had any real issues with anything breaking or air bubbles or anything since things started releasing in Batboxes. There's a few models that absolutely terrify me like Damian's spindly little swords that are resin and really need to be metal, but I haven't had a problem yet. Some of the first resins have some issues; like the original resin Batman's ears are too tall to cast well, but I've been quite happy with everything released in the last year. Also, be aware that they put a small gate under the chin of pretty much every model now. It's easy to remove with the scrape of a hobby knife, but its incredibly easy to miss until you start painting. Overall, I don't think their resin is quite as good as PPs, but its probably my second favorite I've worked with so far.

 inmygravenimage wrote:
Not to rain on anyone's parade:
I have heard from a reliable source that it is a true 3rd edition, with a considerable amount of streamlining.

I absolutely love the way Batman plays and to be honest it is probably my fav skirmish style game to play. I didn't realize how hard it is to teach new players though until I brought it up to the cabin for vacation and I tried to teach it to a friend and their kid. I put me and my step son on opposite teams and one of them with each of us since we are experienced players but it was honestly not easy at all. I do hope with streamlining it will make it easier for new players to be able to learn/ pick up but at the same time i really hope it doesn't take too much from the game play and strategy aspect of it. It gets concerning as looking at other games I play when they go to a new edition sometimes it can be completely destructive. ***cough*** 40k sixth edition ***cough***

Looks like they'll be making announcements between Oct 4th and 14th according to their IG

EDIT: As I look more and more into stuff I want, I'm getting seriously annoyed at the amount of DCUMG packs that I WANT to buy that don't include the BMG cards for those characters that have the rules. Sure I could DL the cards from the website but the website is hit or miss about having the backs of said cards.

LexCorp, JLD, are Crime Syndicate are all super good deals because at least 2 models (some cases more) per pack have BMG rules and are models I want, but without the BMG cards I'd never pull the trigger.

Hopefully these announcements will address the lack of proper crossover with these packs.

Couple things.

Red Hood Joker and Hagrid on Bike are the exclusives for the 10th Anniversary sale so far.

The majority of the website is at least 33% off with some items being 50% off. HOWEVER, if yer in the US shipping is gonna kill you, effectively wiping out whatever savings you might actually make.

Last:
From Knight Models we want to inform you of a series of changes in our products from today:

-The following products become DC:

35DC186 THE FLASH EZRA MILLER 35DC196 LOBO
35DC206 BLUE BEETLE & BOOSTER GOLD 35DC187 BATMAN (BEN AFFLECK) 35DC244 HAWKGIRL

35DC245 HAWKMAN
DCUN026 AMAZONS OF THEMYSCIRA 35DC243 KATANA
35DC223 DEADSHOT CLASSIC 35DC180 ENCHANTRESS

-The following products become ONLINE EXCLUSIVE:

35DC173 DEATHSTROKE
35DC172 RED HOOD
35DC235 NIGHTWING (ARKHAM KNIGHT)
35DC222 BATMAN (ARKHAM KNIGHT)
35DC184 (It's going to change, only the "GPD SWAT TEAM" will remain)

-The following products become DISCONTINUED:

35DC169 GOTHAM CITY SIRENS STARTER SET 35DC175 THE RIDLER STARTER SET
35DC208 BATGIRL
35DC168 BANE AND THE MERECENARIES 35DC167 JOKER AND CLOWNS STARTER SET 35DC166 BATMAN STARTER SET

35DC242 BLACK MANTA 35DC210 TALIA AL’GHUL 35DC207 HUNTRESS
35DC131 GORILLA GROD CREW 35DC163 GORILLA SHAMAN 35DC252 FIREFLY

35DC203 KILLER FROST
35DC204 JOKER CLOWNS
35DC190 RAVEN
35DC202 BATMAN REBIRTH
35DC209 JOKER’S DAUGTHER
35DC174 MR. FREEZE STARTER SET
BMG008 THE BOOK OF MAGIC for BMG (English)

Killing the Book of Magic pretty much confirms the 3rd edition rumours, in my view.

3rd ed is definitely happening. It's more streamlined.

WOW. So much stuff I wanted to get added 12 items to the cart so far and shipping is at $85 which is 1/3 the cost of everything I want.

Unless they do something like discounted shipping or free shipping on this sale there is no point in the USA to order.

So looks like a very sad but hard pass for me.

Every item added almost adds its cost or half it's cost to the shipping per item.?

Just another European company taking advantange the USA, sounds like another European company i know. Except they do it thru a rediculous exchange rate and dictatorship over all vendors they supply to in europe. Hail GW.

that's just the reality of international shipping,

just like almost every miniature market or FFG sale even with stuff at 70% off the shipping from the USA to Europe means its rarely worth doing

unfortunate yes but hardly a conspiricy

Thanks for the heads up on the sale, going to pick up a lot of stuff I've had my eye on for a while. Mainly want them for display, but maybe also to have a stab at the DCUMG at some point.

To that end, how many minis makes a decent team these days? I'm getting the JL and the Titans box so I should be good for heroes (I think most of the Titans have multiverse cards available?) but for the villains all that's on my list at present in Darkseid and the Rebirth Legion of Doom box. Would those (plus some BMG tagalaongs like Deathstroke, Harley or Deadshot) make a decent sized roster to pick from?

See if they'd coincided multiverse cards with that sale, I'd be interested...

I'd quite happily buy the Titans and Doom Patrol. And some others too, but...

Not to mention the combining the rereleases with new models.

*Sigh*

It kinda comes back to KM making decisions to just frustrate their customers.

Is the DCUMG pdf on their downloads page the current one, or the first edition? Or did they update it with the new one?

I picked up the Joker set. I did consider getting more but I've not played the game in a couple of years so it seemed unwise to impulse buy everything I could possibly want.

Incidentally what's happened to their model range? It seems a lot smaller than it used to be. Many of the models I was planning on getting but didn't due to lack of interest at club are gone.

Titans are really lacking in DCU cards. Enormously frustrating.

 Paradigm wrote:
Is the DCUMG pdf on their downloads page the current one, or the first edition? Or did they update it with the new one?

DCU_Final_D is first edition rules.

Knight seems to be collapsing a lot of their ranges into single larger boxes. Even so, though, a lot of their old metal models were discontinued some time ago. But you can find them still on some independent stores.

However beware that those discontinued models are also likely not legal for standard tournament play if that matters to you.

I have long disliked the way Knight Models has worked as a business, but have almost always appreciated their work as modelers. It's a difficult position to be in as a gamer. I find it very hard to support their business, but I really enjoy the models.

Everything about this current sale is an example. Exclusive miniatures (that are not always exclusive). I sale with no clearly defined start or end date. The shipping costs, again, with no clearly written explanation.

(By the way, if anyone wants to get in a combined order, I am really looking at that as my only possible means--its probably even cheaper to ship to the UK and then the US than it is to ship directly from KM.)

I wish them well as a business, but I just wish they would get a decent PR person to work on their image a bit.

Do KM generally update/email when they dispatch? My order's been sitting at 'Payment Accepted' since Saturday, would have expected a dispatch notice since then but then again, this is KM!: Could be they're just slow getting stuff out with the sale, but I figured it was worth checking.

 Paradigm wrote:
Do KM generally update/email when they dispatch? My order's been sitting at 'Payment Accepted' since Saturday, would have expected a dispatch notice since then but then again, this is KM!: Could be they're just slow getting stuff out with the sale, but I figured it was worth checking.

It's very hit or miss, but given the big sale and the fact they're borderline making things to order, I'd expect things to be slow....

Majority of the sale items went back up to full price on Monday which was disappointing as I was holding off until later in the week in case they had more announcements as I had expected the sale to last the full period.

My stuff arrived today, no advanced warning. I've checked my stuff and everything is there and in good quality. I did get some duplicate parts so hopefully someone else isn't missing what I got.

So it looks like Joker Red Hood is using the new 3rd edition rules and does NOT come with a standard 2ND Ed card.

Some interesting notes from someone who playtested 3rd (supposedly)

No more action allocation based on Willpower, Willpower and Endurance are now just life stats with specific tests to each.
Raise the Plan stage grants 4 Audacity tokens to spread across your forces. Characters can Move, Attack, or Manipulate but if it has an Audacity token it can do two things and take a special action.
Attack and Defense stats = how many dice you roll for those abilities.
"Stun damage now goes to willpower, blood damage goes to endurance. So some models stick around a lot more now"
Objectives are now a randomized deck of cards, exclusive cards come with batboxes.
Something akin to Malifaux's scheme markers are now in BMG with models being able to affect those markers

Should be interesting if some or all of this turns out to be true and how much more streamlined the process for playing the game is.

Red Hood card is out there but I won't post it here.

Huh, honestly that sounds kind of awful..

For me, the resource allocation was the big draw of BMG's tactical side, and having characters that could do a lot of different things but not everything, every round was a defining feature of the ruleset. Switching that to essentially a Move/Action/Bonus Action system strikes me as far more generic, so I think flavour will be lost even if the game is somewhat streamlined. It'll play faster, but the Raise The Plan phase goes from the most important to now basically perfunctory.

I do hate to rant about stuff like this,especially based on rumour, but I do think I'll be sticking with 2nd if these changes pan out. 1st to 2nd was a major improvement, but this seems at least to be streamlining the game by ditching what actually made it different and interesting, and I'm not really seeing an upside. It sounds almost like a quick-start version of the game rather than the actual thing. Wait and see, I guess, but I'm not hopeful.

 Paradigm wrote:
Huh, honestly that sounds kind of awful..

For me, the resource allocation was the big draw of BMG's tactical side, and having characters that could do a lot of different things but not everything, every round was a defining feature of the ruleset. Switching that to essentially a Move/Action/Bonus Action system strikes me as far more generic, so I think flavour will be lost even if the game is somewhat streamlined. It'll play faster, but the Raise The Plan phase goes from the most important to now basically perfunctory.

I do hate to rant about stuff like this,especially based on rumour, but I do think I'll be sticking with 2nd if these changes pan out. 1st to 2nd was a major improvement, but this seems at least to be streamlining the game by ditching what actually made it different and interesting, and I'm not really seeing an upside. It sounds almost like a quick-start version of the game rather than the actual thing. Wait and see, I guess, but I'm not hopeful.

This was my reaction also

I'm unsure. It's definitely less unique, but the game was also pretty slow and really struggled to make the heroes feel heroic. It was so reliant on cheap henchmen that could stand on a static point that it was just never really taking... well, Batman.

I think what will make or break the new edition for me is how they translate the playstyles of crews. 2nd edition in particular had done a great job of giving crews their own game to play as the unique objectives kicked in. If they can keep that feel, I'll probably be a lot more interested.