AduroT wrote: He’s a Free Agent, works for BatB, League, and another I forget off hand.
He's a henchman. No Slade mask there.
He also works for the Court of Owls and has an alternate Owl mask head option.
Kind of annoyed to have to buy Goliath. I mean, I get that they're learning resin and its much easier to pull off dynamic sculpts with bigger models in the stuff, but he's not what I want that pack for.
Damian himself seems cool, but its kind of annoying he's not designed to be cheap enough to make it easier to work in the more expensive Batmans in Bat Family. The bundle they're selling is even 27 points over. Still excited. Damian is the first Robin I've really liked beyond the original.
drazz wrote: Most importantly, the inclusion of this Penguin means that KM have the right to the Tim Burton/Warner movies.
So, maybe there with be a Nickelson Joker, a Keaton Batman, a new Alfred, and Bat-Nipples!
I'm not so sure. While that's clearly what they're going for, the Duck car and penguin troops have made appearances elsewhere without being branded Batman Returns. The only thing they'd probably need the rights for is Devito's Penguin, and that doesn't appear to be what we got here.
Rumor is they're going to be relaunching the DCU game soon and aren't working on new model rules for the current edition. Feels in line with the sudden sense of putting out a well managed game system we've seen in the last couple months overall.
I have had it confirmed from 2 separate sources that DCU is getting a new edition, including one of the original designers who they've asked back. Sigh.
angel of death 007 wrote: Really like those new sets. Can you only pick them up from their website, i don't think i ever saw any of the other group buys anywhere else prior?
The Bat-Boxes only hit retail stores about 2 weeks ago, the first wave only came last month. I'd say you can expect more to come later, but they'll all be available in stores
angel of death 007 wrote: Really like those new sets. Can you only pick them up from their website, i don't think i ever saw any of the other group buys anywhere else prior?
The Bat-Boxes only hit retail stores about 2 weeks ago, the first wave only came last month. I'd say you can expect more to come later, but they'll all be available in stores
angel of death 007 wrote: Really like those new sets. Can you only pick them up from their website, i don't think i ever saw any of the other group buys anywhere else prior?
The Bat-Boxes only hit retail stores about 2 weeks ago, the first wave only came last month. I'd say you can expect more to come later, but they'll all be available in stores
Still haven’t gotten em here yet.
I was more referring to when they first showed up, my local only got them 2 days ago. Should've made that clearer
Forget November. We still ain’t gotten Ivy and Shark and the stuff they previewed/put up for preorder in July. The Metal Knights were the last thing I think we got a couple months ago.
Given the deluge of resin recasts they're relaunching, I'm not surprised there's some distribution snags. FWIW, Miniature Market just got the Bat Boxes in.
The new version of Damian is a henchmen, time for a Nightwing, Red Hood and Robin Team?
You can do Team Robin currently at ~350:
Nightwing (any) & Carrie Kelly as Sidekicks, with Tim Drake, Damian Wayne (50 pts) & Red Hood AK as free agents.
The only concern now is if you are limited to only newer models, since Damian goes up 10, Nightwing is his most expensive, and the complete lack of any Tim Drake/Red Robin to complete the set.
Kellys not a big loss, at least they never made a Carrie Kelly Catwoman...
The new version of Damian is a henchmen, time for a Nightwing, Red Hood and Robin Team?
You can do Team Robin currently at ~350:
Nightwing (any) & Carrie Kelly as Sidekicks, with Tim Drake, Damian Wayne (50 pts) & Red Hood AK as free agents.
The only concern now is if you are limited to only newer models, since Damian goes up 10, Nightwing is his most expensive, and the complete lack of any Tim Drake/Red Robin to complete the set.
Kellys not a big loss, at least they never made a Carrie Kelly Catwoman...
I didnt realize I could have that many Free Agents, and dont you need a leader in the crew? Restricting you to Nightwing (AK)?
VictorVonTzeentch wrote: Huh alright. Is that a change for 2e? Or was the Heir to the Cowl rule that Nightwing (AK) had just pointless?
Sorry, confusion in wording. You don't need a Leader, you need a Boss and Sidekicks can be your Boss (and obviously, so can Leaders). The difference is, Leaders have an aura for free Let's Go!, have the Inspire trait and can reroll failed Willpower rolls. So when Nightwing is your Boss instead of Batman, he gains those abilities. A normal Sidekick acting as Boss doesn't have them. I should have said "any sidekick can be boss".
You arent limited to running Crews, you can run teams of multiple Heroes or Villains. Provides a way to use The Dark Knights, or really which ever villains you want teamed up. Themed Batfamily/Arrowverse/Villain Society builds.
There must be some rules I'm missing somewhere because I'm not seeing where it states that we can team up characters that aren't on those themed lists.
None of the Dark Knights are part of those lists and none of them have any team keywords that would allow them to be played together.
Is there another official document that has more teams?
I'm not seeing any changes from last week when they added Damian to Bat Family and a few other things. Maybe they just realized they forgot to announce last week's changes?
rybackstun wrote: There must be some rules I'm missing somewhere because I'm not seeing where it states that we can team up characters that aren't on those themed lists.
None of the Dark Knights are part of those lists and none of them have any team keywords that would allow them to be played together.
Is there another official document that has more teams?
My bad I miss read and was told something different as well. Hopefully they work it so you can do more. So I guess its just them posting the changes to FB rather than completely new.
LunarSol wrote: I'm not seeing any changes from last week when they added Damian to Bat Family and a few other things. Maybe they just realized they forgot to announce last week's changes?
There aren't any changes, this is it. Just adding the new stuff to teams (Damo into Batfam, Scarecrow and Grundy into Society)
Hawaiian Shirt Joker has gone now, I believe. I still had him in my basket from last month but he vanished when checking out, tried to make a new order on my PC as well since but he isn’t automatically adding to cart like he used to. (There may have been a very short crossover when he was still available at same time as Black Friday deals but appears to have been removed quite quickly)
edit: Just seem he seems to be back again since I tried earlier today
First, all models that have been exclusives to this point are on sale as regular purchases this week.
Just want to point out that this isn't quite true, it isn't everything. Red Hood Joker, Alfred, Black Flash and Arkham Knight Sniper aren't available, it's only everything since Gencon last year.
Great value in the sale though, some of the other bundles are good collections. All the limited models are very good sculpts and rules, and its great to see a few more things being taken off the Eternal list (which I assume is happening because Batmatch isn't available atm).
Aeneades wrote: Hawaiian Shirt Joker has gone now, I believe. I still had him in my basket from last month but he vanished when checking out, tried to make a new order on my PC as well since but he isn’t automatically adding to cart like he used to. (There may have been a very short crossover when he was still available at same time as Black Friday deals but appears to have been removed quite quickly)
edit: Just seem he seems to be back again since I tried earlier today
I found he would only appear in my cart if I had the currency set to €.
They've been putting out excellent stuff lately and Standard really feels like a game with a lot more thought put into it than ever before. I've been really enjoying the game since the change.
Talia's stuff is really cool but I kind of hate the Heretic on principle. Rapidly aged evil clones are the worst narrative trope out there.
LunarSol wrote: They've been putting out excellent stuff lately and Standard really feels like a game with a lot more thought put into it than ever before. I've been really enjoying the game since the change.
Talia's stuff is really cool but I kind of hate the Heretic on principle. Rapidly aged evil clones are the worst narrative trope out there.
I agree with you on Heretic, but for the rest of the models in the set, particularly Talia and Cheshire I can forgive it.
This set is getting me one more person to play against as I try to talk more people into the game.
rybackstun wrote: I'm glad KM releases stuff every month, but I wish they'd toss some hints out at future models coming down the pipeline.
At this point I'm just waiting for Militia to hit a Batbox and then I'll go full in.
They throw up the riddle things on their Facebook page, but that's not really a long term thing. I get the impression that their production capabilities are pretty limited and what they release is kind of bound to the demands on their production line.
Ever since doing resin their prices have went down yet their quality went up. I commend them, when a certain other company went to fine crap, all their prices did was go up and their quality went down exponentially.
Howard A Treesong wrote: If they’ve done the militia maybe they’ll release the robot tanks they teased with rules in the Arkham Knight book but never mde available?
We probably need the full vehicle rules before that, the ones we originally got are incompatible with 2nd edition. There's also a new Batmobile teased in the compendium that we never got, so plenty to do vehicle wise
Kathy Kane = The original Batwoman who wore yellow and was in love with Bruce. She was written out of continuity years ago and was briefly brought back to meet the current Batwoman in a story written by Grant Morrison.
Kate Kane = The current Batwoman who wears black and red. She's Bruce Wayne's cousin who debuted in '52' and has romantic relationships with Renee Montoya and Maggie Sawyer. She was also kicked out of the military because of 'Don't Ask Don't Tell.' And recently guest starred in the Arrowverse shows with a pilot for her own TV show recently being filmed.
I thought that was really weird too, but I haven't been following Detective Comics lately, so I wasn't sure if it was a modern thing (like Clayface in Bat-Fam).
Given they advertised Power Ring with the Green Lantern Oath on their Facebook page the other week, they probably just don’t know the distinction between Kathy and Kate. On the other hand... paint her yellow.
Today's announcement, a new starter, using The Dark Knight Rises as its base. While Im not the biggest fan of the film the set looks interesting.
"A comprehensive starter set, this box is packed full of models and accessories – everything you need to start playing the Batman Miniature Game. Based on the events in the Dark Knight Rises movie, this boxed set contains two complete crews (Batman, Catwoman and the GCPD vs Bane and his mercenaries), including a Batpod and – for the first time – the Tumbler Batmobile! You’ll also find full-colour, slot-together card scenery, markers and counters, cards, and a set of quickstart rules. This is the ultimate boxed set for BMG."
Has anyone else had problems with the quality of Knight Models resin models?
I picked up a Joker Bat-Box on sale a while ago and I'm finally getting around to assembling it, and I don't think I've ever been more disappointed. Not only is it missing pieces, but the resin is really brittle (feels like the figures are cast in charcoal). Tons of flash, nothing fits together, messed up features (including one guy who had his face cast from two unaligned molds and another with half his face damaged beyond repair - completely unfixable). I'm ready to chuck the whole lot in the trash.
Did I get a bad batch, or is the quality always this bad?
Sqorgar wrote: Has anyone else had problems with the quality of Knight Models resin models?
I picked up a Joker Bat-Box on sale a while ago and I'm finally getting around to assembling it, and I don't think I've ever been more disappointed. Not only is it missing pieces, but the resin is really brittle (feels like the figures are cast in charcoal). Tons of flash, nothing fits together, messed up features (including one guy who had his face cast from two unaligned molds and another with half his face damaged beyond repair - completely unfixable). I'm ready to chuck the whole lot in the trash.
Did I get a bad batch, or is the quality always this bad?
I think you got a bad batch, because as of yet I have had no issue with their resin.
Sqorgar wrote: Has anyone else had problems with the quality of Knight Models resin models?
I picked up a Joker Bat-Box on sale a while ago and I'm finally getting around to assembling it, and I don't think I've ever been more disappointed. Not only is it missing pieces, but the resin is really brittle (feels like the figures are cast in charcoal). Tons of flash, nothing fits together, messed up features (including one guy who had his face cast from two unaligned molds and another with half his face damaged beyond repair - completely unfixable). I'm ready to chuck the whole lot in the trash.
Did I get a bad batch, or is the quality always this bad?
Have you contacted them? Last time I had an issue i contacted them, sent a picture and got a replacement. Took a couple weeks, but I was allowed Toledo the messed up stuff for conversions.
I find their resin okay to good, not fantastic. Detail is good, but there's bubbles and they haven't figured out they need to make some of the parts metal on smaller models (which is why Special Volume has been a popular rule lately...). It helps that the resin is pretty hard, but it does demand a little sharper knife than most I've worked with to clear mold lines. Injection points are pretty numerous but mostly okay. A few "detail or flash?" moments, but the final models turn out quite good overall.
Some of your concerns are definitely unique though. I'm not 100% sure of the usual quality of the Joker box, as its overall pretty old at this point (half the contents are their first gen resins from the launch of 2nd) but Knight has been much better about responding to replacement requests in the last few months.
KM Customer service has improved considerably, as the QC. As long as you have the order number, they're pretty decent.
Some more info on new set:
£115 RRP.
The new fast-play quick start rules with with boxed traits on cards.
The buildings are reskins of the squad ones.
The tumbler and batpod are equipped like the Penguin's Duck or Lobo's Hawg.
I'll try to answer any other questions, I'm getting the first UK review copy in Monday in theory, though 3 of the playtesters will have copies at Salute this weekend.
Of note, I had a request submission to part in hand in under a week recently without an order number (since I bought it from a store). They're definitely getting on top of things it seems.
I've visually checked all the resins I've bought (all Ltd Ed releases), and whilst it's not as thorough as actually cleaning and assembling, I noticed no significant casting issues.
Time will tell when I get into them and/or buy some of the normal game pieces though.
I have had quite a few miscasts but I have brought a lot of models. Some have been replaced, other requests have been ignored by customer service.
I am still waiting on a reply to my ticket (and several chasers) since last September when one of my packs was missing a model. It was the last straw for me and on principle I am not picking up any new models until they fix the issue which saved me a load of money during the Black Friday sale.
Just getting back into some BMG (admittedly, with the minis from Gotham City Chronicles... ) and thus catching up to 2nd edition, I've noticed a few rules that seem to have either been omitted from or come along later than the Compendium document. Special Volume I can find no mention of, and the new Penguin's Dealer trait also seems absent. Is there an up-to-date repository of such things, or are they just covered with the minis they come with?
Must admit I'm awful tempted by the new Ledger Joker, it has all the same menace and style of the old one but without the oversized head...
Paradigm wrote: Just getting back into some BMG (admittedly, with the minis from Gotham City Chronicles... ) and thus catching up to 2nd edition, I've noticed a few rules that seem to have either been omitted from or come along later than the Compendium document. Special Volume I can find no mention of, and the new Penguin's Dealer trait also seems absent. Is there an up-to-date repository of such things, or are they just covered with the minis they come with?
Must admit I'm awful tempted by the new Ledger Joker, it has all the same menace and style of the old one but without the oversized head...
Special Volume is typically listed on the new cards (for newer models), which are often two sided and include the units special rules. IE Talia in the new set on the reverse of her card has "Special Volume S: This model uses a base of 40mm but has the same height and rules as a model on a 30mm base. Also this model gains +1 to its basic movement distance." I would assume that Penguin's Dealer Trait is on his card or in the box.
Ah, ok, cheers for the info. The downloads for the cards don't seem to have that section, just the front, so I guess I'll just have to work around those particular rules. I'm only playing casual narrative games, so it shouldn't be too big of an issue.
Actually, it looks like the individual model pages do have the backs, just not the Batbox ones.
Paradigm wrote: Ah, ok, cheers for the info. The downloads for the cards don't seem to have that section, just the front, so I guess I'll just have to work around those particular rules. I'm only playing casual narrative games, so it shouldn't be too big of an issue.
Actually, it looks like the individual model pages do have the backs, just not the Batbox ones.
It’s something they’re working on improving. They’ve moved to rules on the back of cards in place of the compendium which is a huge boost to playability. It requires putting card backs up on the site though which they’re just starting to do consistently on newer releases.
That's fair enough. It does seem that 2e and the changes they've made to the range and rules since I dropped out of the game a few years ago are far better in terms of accessibly and easy of use, so while the compendium is handy, I can see how putting it all on the cards is a good call.
Sqorgar wrote: Has anyone else had problems with the quality of Knight Models resin models?
I picked up a Joker Bat-Box on sale a while ago and I'm finally getting around to assembling it, and I don't think I've ever been more disappointed. Not only is it missing pieces, but the resin is really brittle (feels like the figures are cast in charcoal). Tons of flash, nothing fits together, messed up features (including one guy who had his face cast from two unaligned molds and another with half his face damaged beyond repair - completely unfixable). I'm ready to chuck the whole lot in the trash.
Did I get a bad batch, or is the quality always this bad?
Their resin and QC is pretty bad. I love the game and the metal models.
I had a few orders and always a bad cast or missing piece. The resin is very brittle.
Took two months to get an order with two additional shipments from them to try and fix.
I want to get a few more sets, but not wanting to roll the dice currently.
Was hoping the starter set was closer to $99. $150 will be harder to get new players in. For $100 I would have got it for the batman side and give the bane crew to a friend to get him started.
I know there have been issues with previous retailers and preorders where Knight didn’t make enough for everyone so was shipping to individual retailers at a time. So people had their orders in at shop A, but shop A didn’t get the new stuff right away while shop B did, so they canceled their orders at A and got their stuff from B. Then A finally gets their order in but now everyone already has it so they don’t sell much of it.
A lot of smaller (also larger) companies are struggling with distributors lately and pushing direct sales more. Resin seems to cater to more of an on demand production as well.
Eh, I think I’ve decided to bow out of the Knights Models past my Marvel ones. If anyone US based wants metal Batman, Nightwing, Robin, Red Hood or Deathstroke, PM me. $10 each.
Their resin and QC is pretty bad. I love the game and the metal models.
I had a few orders and always a bad cast or missing piece. The resin is very brittle.
Took two months to get an order with two additional shipments from them to try and fix.
Both parts, the resin has seemed perfectly fine to me, except on very thin parts like staffs. Maybe a little flash heavy on a couple pieces but thats it.
Wonder Girl is scary as. Leto's gained Exhaustive planner, so is really interesting. Can't deny I'm stoked for Hawk (finally!) and Beast Boy - because currently we use this:
inmygravenimage wrote: Wonder Girl is scary as. Leto's gained Exhaustive planner, so is really interesting. Can't deny I'm stoked for Hawk (finally!) and Beast Boy - because currently we use this:
Spoiler:
Lol nice.
Hawk and Dove both have me pretty stoked, they look like a great combo to fit into a Team, Hawk especially being able to punch above his points Cost
Someone will drop pictures later, I'm sure, but new Gang called "Cults" and the first models for it are Kobra, which look amazing. I wonder what other groups would go in with Cults tho? Brother Blood seems like a shoe-in for sure but beyond that?
As mentioned above there is a new faction on its way, the Kobra Terrorist Organization and Cult. Though unlike the above im not seeing anywhere that its falling under a broad blanket of "Cults" though anything is possible, after all we are getting the Kobras.
Sort of a Team situation in which you can alter the troop selection a bit. Also Faith points, which allows for models to act as bodyguards for the Leader.
Any ideas on other potential cults from DC/Batman?
Kobra are a really great release with some fun mechanics, I love how they've turned out in the rules. Good self-contained crew with some stuff for the future in Cults, and they don't really have any strictly bad choices either. Definitely considering picking them up, but I already have 2 crews with no paint on them (Grodd and Bane, and I own the whole crews)
Church of blood (Brother/Mother Blood) are separate to the Cult of Trigon. Kobra Cult are great, but I'm worried about yet more rules in the crunchiest game in the world as it is. Cicada Cult is out there in the DCU, which would be interesting and CW-y, Religion of Crime, could maybe see them doing the Srigydae as a way of expanding the Court of Owls also.
inmygravenimage wrote: Church of blood (Brother/Mother Blood) are separate to the Cult of Trigon. Kobra Cult are great, but I'm worried about yet more rules in the crunchiest game in the world as it is. Cicada Cult is out there in the DCU, which would be interesting and CW-y, Religion of Crime, could maybe see them doing the Srigydae as a way of expanding the Court of Owls also.
There's also Savitar and his Cult of Speed, which would be a very interesting crew mechanically as well
I'm really looking forward to it. I love DCU as a game. Getting a review copy, interested to see how the game's evolved. Being slightly on the inside, I know that the game's had a very long playtest period. Minimum range is Gone so you can now power blast people in the face! Woo. Allegedly Superman has had a major fix. We shall see though because KM
Man, Knight Models sure do know how to take great photos of their models! I am tempted by the physical rulebook. Are the rules still basically the same as their old Marvel game?
I’ve seen people have a number of issues with the resin. Models are usually pock marked to varying degree, and stuff like ankles and Constantine’s smoke are very brittle. Also their sculpts are very two dimensional due to them being one piece models.
Not all the new models are one piece, quite a few are multipart.
I have had some issue with the new models but I was buying almost every new release. The main issue I saw was an incomplete model where a piece of resin must have broken off in the mould previously and not been removed. Knight have improved customer service quite a lot in the last year and if it goes on too long you can usually hurry things up via Facebook messenger.
erzengal wrote: The cult group sounds fun.
Anyone had any issues with model quality on the newer releases?
I've only had issues with some of their initial resin releases. But for the most part the models are fine. The sculpts, even the monopiece ones are pretty ok and even the most boring look better when you have paint on them.
The Cult is very fun, I picked up the box when they first came out and they play nicely.
As for Doom Patrol I was just telling a friend I would like to see them get models.
The resins are good, but take some practice to clean properly. They put a little gate under the chins to make sure the face casts correctly that's easy to miss prior to painting. The models feel frail, but on the whole they're quite nice. I've been pretty thrilled with the Teen Titans box. Also, the Batman game itself is a lot better these days; creeping up my favorites list. Hoping DCU turns out well. The original had a lot of potential but just needed some polish.
Currently, or at least most recently, the Wildcats are existing in a side AU to the main canon. They’ve got some of the same names, attached to alternate versions of the characters. Aqua man was a genetic experiment half fish person who was a serial killer. Flash took drugs to run faster and was a serial killer. Hell, most of the DC heroes were messed up serial killers of some form or another.
In other GenCon news, momoa is going to be available from the outset online, penguin is getting bikers, and Watchmen are coming with Dr Manhattan as their objective.
They've been teasing some new stuff on their facebook the last few days. From what I've caught it's a Jason Todd Robin model and a LexCorp BattleBox for DCUMG.
Plus the DCUMG repacks of Bat Villains, Crime Syndicate, Justice League, and Justice League Dark that they released last month, since it's been a while for this thread.
That lexbox looks like it includes Metallo which would be a new character for DCUMG
Lex is still top-tier as a BMG boss. He's very difficult to run well in DCU - not that he isn't good, he is, just hard to play. Interesting to see how he works in DCU2.
AduroT wrote: What kind of rules could Manhattan possibly have? He can literally think the other team out of existence.
He isn't a proper model in game. Like the quantum donkey for the Doom Patrol, he's their objective and probably messes around with the table rather than the opponent
That's an... interesting pose that Owlman is in. Him and Ozy might look good in that kind of diorama-like group shot, but they're going to look a bit strange running around the table like that...
Soul Samurai wrote: That's an... interesting pose that Owlman is in. Him and Ozy might look good in that kind of diorama-like group shot, but they're going to look a bit strange running around the table like that...
Its taken from DC's Watchmen prequel comics:
Spoiler:
Knight has done more diorama like models since switching to resin. It gives them larger chunks of material to work with and makes for some unique poses and great recreations of comic art, but also puts a lot of random chairs on the battlefield.
Soul Samurai wrote: That's an... interesting pose that Owlman is in. Him and Ozy might look good in that kind of diorama-like group shot, but they're going to look a bit strange running around the table like that...
Its taken from DC's Watchmen prequel comics:
Spoiler:
Knight has done more diorama like models since switching to resin. It gives them larger chunks of material to work with and makes for some unique poses and great recreations of comic art, but also puts a lot of random chairs on the battlefield.
Prequel comics? I didn't know about those. Well, I wouldn't have read them anyway; after my miserable experience with the Rising Stars spin-offs I'm pretty sour on prequels and spin-offs to "one and done" stories like Watchmen.
Well, the pose makes much more sense now. Looks like a nice model for display at least.
I recently got the DC Universe Miniatures Game hardback and I figured I'd highlight some of the changes compared to older versions of the rules. - Some of these were implemented in more recent rules updates and faqs of the PDF versions, apparently, but I don't print out a new rulebook each time I play, so, *shrug*.
* Person with initiative can make the other person go first.
* When a model activates, it must use a non-zero amount of power counters. (so you can't keep it all for defensive things)
* The game will end early if everyone on a team is KO/dead. The standing player gets bonus vp
* You can only use 1 reactive or passive power against an attack.
* Effects are now capped to a certain value over a round. - This includes Stun power counter loss. (NB: I'm sorta confused by this one, but that's what it says, Stun was even the example.)
* Minimum range isn't a thing anymore.
* Knocked down and KO is now a smaller penalty
* Recovering from KO is a lesser penalty than before.
* Thrown items, must try to allocate at least 1 damage to everything in a line of throw.
inmygravenimage wrote: Eradicator in particular has had a good run in the comics lately. I'm now going to need a Zod crew for him to go with...
I've been out of the comics scene for a while now, I didn't realise Eradicator was still around; for some reason I thought he was killed in the whole "return of Superman" storyline? Although when has that ever mattered in a comic book...
While Im not entirely opposed to a 3rd Edition, it would be very soon after the release of 2nd and I can't come up with any big issues with the game requiring a new edition.
Hopefully it something different, like perhaps a Campaign book, which we haven't had a new one of since the end of First Edition.
Here's hoping that it's actually the third 2-player starter box, and just as Suicide Squad was released to coincide with the movie, perhaps this will be a Birds of Prey 2-player box.
Conflicted on it. 2nd Ed has really found its groove and it feels far too soon for a change. On the other hand, the actual 2nd Ed launch was kind of a flop and the groove 2nd Ed found is more or less completely different from with all the changes introduced in the last year or so. A 3rd Ed built on the modern game might really take the game where its always had the potential to go.
For the most part, I think so. It's quite stiff for the most part and I haven't had any real issues with anything breaking or air bubbles or anything since things started releasing in Batboxes. There's a few models that absolutely terrify me like Damian's spindly little swords that are resin and really need to be metal, but I haven't had a problem yet. Some of the first resins have some issues; like the original resin Batman's ears are too tall to cast well, but I've been quite happy with everything released in the last year. Also, be aware that they put a small gate under the chin of pretty much every model now. It's easy to remove with the scrape of a hobby knife, but its incredibly easy to miss until you start painting. Overall, I don't think their resin is quite as good as PPs, but its probably my second favorite I've worked with so far.
inmygravenimage wrote: Not to rain on anyone's parade:
I have heard from a reliable source that it is a true 3rd edition, with a considerable amount of streamlining.
I absolutely love the way Batman plays and to be honest it is probably my fav skirmish style game to play. I didn't realize how hard it is to teach new players though until I brought it up to the cabin for vacation and I tried to teach it to a friend and their kid. I put me and my step son on opposite teams and one of them with each of us since we are experienced players but it was honestly not easy at all. I do hope with streamlining it will make it easier for new players to be able to learn/ pick up but at the same time i really hope it doesn't take too much from the game play and strategy aspect of it. It gets concerning as looking at other games I play when they go to a new edition sometimes it can be completely destructive. ***cough*** 40k sixth edition ***cough***
Looks like they'll be making announcements between Oct 4th and 14th according to their IG
EDIT: As I look more and more into stuff I want, I'm getting seriously annoyed at the amount of DCUMG packs that I WANT to buy that don't include the BMG cards for those characters that have the rules. Sure I could DL the cards from the website but the website is hit or miss about having the backs of said cards.
LexCorp, JLD, are Crime Syndicate are all super good deals because at least 2 models (some cases more) per pack have BMG rules and are models I want, but without the BMG cards I'd never pull the trigger.
Hopefully these announcements will address the lack of proper crossover with these packs.
Red Hood Joker and Hagrid on Bike are the exclusives for the 10th Anniversary sale so far.
The majority of the website is at least 33% off with some items being 50% off. HOWEVER, if yer in the US shipping is gonna kill you, effectively wiping out whatever savings you might actually make.
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From Knight Models we want to inform you of a series of changes in our products from today:
-The following products become DC:
35DC186 THE FLASH EZRA MILLER 35DC196 LOBO
35DC206 BLUE BEETLE & BOOSTER GOLD 35DC187 BATMAN (BEN AFFLECK) 35DC244 HAWKGIRL
35DC173 DEATHSTROKE
35DC172 RED HOOD
35DC235 NIGHTWING (ARKHAM KNIGHT)
35DC222 BATMAN (ARKHAM KNIGHT)
35DC184 (It's going to change, only the "GPD SWAT TEAM" will remain)
-The following products become DISCONTINUED:
35DC169 GOTHAM CITY SIRENS STARTER SET 35DC175 THE RIDLER STARTER SET
35DC208 BATGIRL
35DC168 BANE AND THE MERECENARIES 35DC167 JOKER AND CLOWNS STARTER SET 35DC166 BATMAN STARTER SET
35DC203 KILLER FROST
35DC204 JOKER CLOWNS
35DC190 RAVEN
35DC202 BATMAN REBIRTH
35DC209 JOKER’S DAUGTHER
35DC174 MR. FREEZE STARTER SET
BMG008 THE BOOK OF MAGIC for BMG (English)
WOW. So much stuff I wanted to get added 12 items to the cart so far and shipping is at $85 which is 1/3 the cost of everything I want.
Unless they do something like discounted shipping or free shipping on this sale there is no point in the USA to order.
So looks like a very sad but hard pass for me.
Every item added almost adds its cost or half it's cost to the shipping per item.?
Just another European company taking advantange the USA, sounds like another European company i know. Except they do it thru a rediculous exchange rate and dictatorship over all vendors they supply to in europe. Hail GW.
Thanks for the heads up on the sale, going to pick up a lot of stuff I've had my eye on for a while. Mainly want them for display, but maybe also to have a stab at the DCUMG at some point.
To that end, how many minis makes a decent team these days? I'm getting the JL and the Titans box so I should be good for heroes (I think most of the Titans have multiverse cards available?) but for the villains all that's on my list at present in Darkseid and the Rebirth Legion of Doom box. Would those (plus some BMG tagalaongs like Deathstroke, Harley or Deadshot) make a decent sized roster to pick from?
I picked up the Joker set. I did consider getting more but I've not played the game in a couple of years so it seemed unwise to impulse buy everything I could possibly want.
Incidentally what's happened to their model range? It seems a lot smaller than it used to be. Many of the models I was planning on getting but didn't due to lack of interest at club are gone.
Paradigm wrote: Is the DCUMG pdf on their downloads page the current one, or the first edition? Or did they update it with the new one?
DCU_Final_D is first edition rules.
Knight seems to be collapsing a lot of their ranges into single larger boxes. Even so, though, a lot of their old metal models were discontinued some time ago. But you can find them still on some independent stores.
I have long disliked the way Knight Models has worked as a business, but have almost always appreciated their work as modelers. It's a difficult position to be in as a gamer. I find it very hard to support their business, but I really enjoy the models.
Everything about this current sale is an example. Exclusive miniatures (that are not always exclusive). I sale with no clearly defined start or end date. The shipping costs, again, with no clearly written explanation.
(By the way, if anyone wants to get in a combined order, I am really looking at that as my only possible means--its probably even cheaper to ship to the UK and then the US than it is to ship directly from KM.)
I wish them well as a business, but I just wish they would get a decent PR person to work on their image a bit.
Do KM generally update/email when they dispatch? My order's been sitting at 'Payment Accepted' since Saturday, would have expected a dispatch notice since then but then again, this is KM!: Could be they're just slow getting stuff out with the sale, but I figured it was worth checking.
Paradigm wrote: Do KM generally update/email when they dispatch? My order's been sitting at 'Payment Accepted' since Saturday, would have expected a dispatch notice since then but then again, this is KM!: Could be they're just slow getting stuff out with the sale, but I figured it was worth checking.
It's very hit or miss, but given the big sale and the fact they're borderline making things to order, I'd expect things to be slow....
Majority of the sale items went back up to full price on Monday which was disappointing as I was holding off until later in the week in case they had more announcements as I had expected the sale to last the full period.
My stuff arrived today, no advanced warning. I've checked my stuff and everything is there and in good quality. I did get some duplicate parts so hopefully someone else isn't missing what I got.
So it looks like Joker Red Hood is using the new 3rd edition rules and does NOT come with a standard 2ND Ed card.
Some interesting notes from someone who playtested 3rd (supposedly)
No more action allocation based on Willpower, Willpower and Endurance are now just life stats with specific tests to each.
Raise the Plan stage grants 4 Audacity tokens to spread across your forces. Characters can Move, Attack, or Manipulate but if it has an Audacity token it can do two things and take a special action.
Attack and Defense stats = how many dice you roll for those abilities.
"Stun damage now goes to willpower, blood damage goes to endurance. So some models stick around a lot more now"
Objectives are now a randomized deck of cards, exclusive cards come with batboxes.
Something akin to Malifaux's scheme markers are now in BMG with models being able to affect those markers
Should be interesting if some or all of this turns out to be true and how much more streamlined the process for playing the game is.
Red Hood card is out there but I won't post it here.
For me, the resource allocation was the big draw of BMG's tactical side, and having characters that could do a lot of different things but not everything, every round was a defining feature of the ruleset. Switching that to essentially a Move/Action/Bonus Action system strikes me as far more generic, so I think flavour will be lost even if the game is somewhat streamlined. It'll play faster, but the Raise The Plan phase goes from the most important to now basically perfunctory.
I do hate to rant about stuff like this,especially based on rumour, but I do think I'll be sticking with 2nd if these changes pan out. 1st to 2nd was a major improvement, but this seems at least to be streamlining the game by ditching what actually made it different and interesting, and I'm not really seeing an upside. It sounds almost like a quick-start version of the game rather than the actual thing. Wait and see, I guess, but I'm not hopeful.
For me, the resource allocation was the big draw of BMG's tactical side, and having characters that could do a lot of different things but not everything, every round was a defining feature of the ruleset. Switching that to essentially a Move/Action/Bonus Action system strikes me as far more generic, so I think flavour will be lost even if the game is somewhat streamlined. It'll play faster, but the Raise The Plan phase goes from the most important to now basically perfunctory.
I do hate to rant about stuff like this,especially based on rumour, but I do think I'll be sticking with 2nd if these changes pan out. 1st to 2nd was a major improvement, but this seems at least to be streamlining the game by ditching what actually made it different and interesting, and I'm not really seeing an upside. It sounds almost like a quick-start version of the game rather than the actual thing. Wait and see, I guess, but I'm not hopeful.
I'm unsure. It's definitely less unique, but the game was also pretty slow and really struggled to make the heroes feel heroic. It was so reliant on cheap henchmen that could stand on a static point that it was just never really taking... well, Batman.
I think what will make or break the new edition for me is how they translate the playstyles of crews. 2nd edition in particular had done a great job of giving crews their own game to play as the unique objectives kicked in. If they can keep that feel, I'll probably be a lot more interested.
Today from Knight Models, we have a few new things for the DCU.
First up, its Superboy and Steel, so you can finish out your Reign of Superman collection.
Next up, its the Suicide Squad featuring a bunch of models that a bunch of people (not me) already have. Deadshot Classic, Killer Frost, Killer Croc, Katana (the bad sculpt) Bronze Tiger and Deathstroke. Wait, that Deathstroke is new and fething SWEET. Honestly all these characters were on my to buy list anyway and each of them have their BMG cards online, so I will have to probably buy a Second Deathstroke when he's re-released for BMG (which I fine with me, I love Deathstroke).
And finally, we have a new Wonder Woman, and hot damn does she look great. She'd got that big base like the Dark Knight and the Boy Scout's newest versions too.
Lotta people complaining about the Suicide Squad box for DCU, but given that I don't own ANY of those figures, that'll probably be my next buy because HOT DAMN that Deathstroke is sexy.
I think KM might be moving more toward boxsets rather than blisters and I'm ok with that. Might have SOME overlap, but for newer players these boxsets are amazing.
VictorVonTzeentch wrote: Its a fair enough complaint if people already have them, but as you said, for new players or even vets that dont. Its a steal.
ANd yeah, that Deathstroke
For sure, it's a valid complaint, I just happen to benefit from it
Looking forward to picking up a bunch more models to paint
Big fan of that Wonder Woman, though yeah, the base is a bit much (Aquaman's was oversized enough ).
Steel is just awesome, not such a fan of that version of Superboy (would have preferred something closer to the Young Justice look) but it's nice to have the full Reign of the Supermen cast out.
Paradigm wrote: Big fan of that Wonder Woman, though yeah, the base is a bit much (Aquaman's was oversized enough ).
Steel is just awesome, not such a fan of that version of Superboy (would have preferred something closer to the Young Justice look) but it's nice to have the full Reign of the Supermen cast out.
I too would have prefered the Young Justice look for SB, heck even Titans S2 has adopted it for the first couple episodes he's in. Though I just want to have The Team and The Outsiders for the games. Vandal Savage would be nice too, cause we have enough of the villains that with him we could have The Light.
They'll get to a more modern Superboy, but they were specifically doing the Reign of the Supermen crew for the relaunch of DCU. Mongul and Supermullet rounds out the 4 nicely.
Paradigm wrote: To be fair, before we get to an alternate sculpt Superboy, it'd be nice if they got around to rereleasing Supergirl in some form or other.
Good shout on Vandal Savage, him and Braniac are the villains we need.
You’ll get Howard the duck and like it . Yeah, wrong universe, but you get the point.
3rd Edition was formally announced yesterday on Knight's facebook page with promises of more info to come soon. In the comments they made mention that the 2e Cards work with 3e. Having a 3e Card from Red Hood Joker, that makes some sense, provided they give the explanation on Special Conversion in the book.
Glad I didn’t buy into 2nd Ed a couple months ago. Got burned once already when they said all the 1st ed models would work for 2nd but then they shoved them all into the legacy format that no one plays anymore. Don’t trust them to not do it again and make people rerebuy all new 3rd ed models.
We use Legacy all the time, except in our monthly tourneys. But yeah I share your concern, particularly if the rumor about needing Batboxes to get the new Objective Cards for factions is a thing.
AduroT wrote: Glad I didn’t buy into 2nd Ed a couple months ago. Got burned once already when they said all the 1st ed models would work for 2nd but then they shoved them all into the legacy format that no one plays anymore. Don’t trust them to not do it again and make people rerebuy all new 3rd ed models.
Really not happy to hear they're just blindly converting the 2E stat cards to 3E rather than redoing them. That's exactly what made the need for the legacy format in the first place.
A little bit more on Batman 3e today, they posted a video on FB claiming that the game will be faster (which I already found it fairly quick to play), more lethal and easier to learn (which is nice). And available for Christmas.
Also a new Batman, maybe in the box, maybe 3e launch Special Ed model.
Todd McFarlane Batman. Which I want two of, one to be Batman and another to try and turn into Spawn.
With the Red Hood card we got from the 10th Anniversary sale, we've seen a few things leaked. Looks like they're massively overhauling the activation system and simplifying things. I think it'll be good overall, but very very different.
Another Batman? Jeez, how many is that now? Well, can't really complain, because most of them are great sculpts.
As far as this one goes, the flow of the cape is interesting, but I agree that it would be much better suited as Spawn. VictorVonTzeentchMade, if you ever do convert one to a Spawn be sure to post a link on this thread!
Soul Samurai wrote: Another Batman? Jeez, how many is that now? Well, can't really complain, because most of them are great sculpts.
As far as this one goes, the flow of the cape is interesting, but I agree that it would be much better suited as Spawn. VictorVonTzeentchMade, if you ever do convert one to a Spawn be sure to post a link on this thread!
It's based on a Todd McFarlane cover. The reason its a little weird is in the cover he's got a woman wrapped in the cape.
Soul Samurai wrote:Another Batman? Jeez, how many is that now? Well, can't really complain, because most of them are great sculpts.
As far as this one goes, the flow of the cape is interesting, but I agree that it would be much better suited as Spawn. VictorVonTzeentchMade, if you ever do convert one to a Spawn be sure to post a link on this thread!
Will do.
LunarSol wrote:
Soul Samurai wrote: Another Batman? Jeez, how many is that now? Well, can't really complain, because most of them are great sculpts.
As far as this one goes, the flow of the cape is interesting, but I agree that it would be much better suited as Spawn. VictorVonTzeentchMade, if you ever do convert one to a Spawn be sure to post a link on this thread!
It's based on a Todd McFarlane cover. The reason its a little weird is in the cover he's got a woman wrapped in the cape.
McFarlane even did an homage (or copied himself depending on your PoV) with a Spawn cover. Also not the first time that design for Bats has come with out a woman in his arms. Looks odd the other times it comes up too.
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New cops do look great, even if I'm not a fan of the game changes by and large.
And the ridiculous bases reach new heights, Gordon now carrying round a Tactical Batsignal! Probably the basis of a really cool diorama, and will no doubt paint up wonderfully, but as a gaming piece it's a bit nuts (unless, of course, this model is actually an objective)
I hope Gordon is the Objective, cause damn that tactical bat signal. If not, I will just use the current Gordon and do a display with that one.
They could be using the vehicle upgrade rules. I could see it essentially acting as an upgrade that modifies his movement to zero but gives him some special rules until he's attacked or chooses to discard it.
There's another picture that shows this is clearly not the case.
Not the first time Knight has allowed a model to leave the base without really designing the model to do so. Both Penguin and the new Oxymandias/Bubastis model have this problem.
I suppose it could be similar to how they've done some of the Potter stuff. Dumbldore for instance you can build either with the big diorama base or he has a tab for the standard 30mm one. Not really much chance of swapping though, it'll be one or the other rather than both.
Paradigm wrote: I suppose it could be similar to how they've done some of the Potter stuff. Dumbldore for instance you can build either with the big diorama base or he has a tab for the standard 30mm one. Not really much chance of swapping though, it'll be one or the other rather than both.
Resin is pretty easy to swap around. Doesn't even really need a magnet. You can usually do it with a simple pin.
Brief explainer of the new combat... Attack dice equal to stat vs block dice equal to stat, both sides can also take extra Stun damage to add/remove Attack dice. No more rolling to Damage, it's automatic, with Strength now being an extra attack that's unblockable if it beats your Strength stat.
I guess the no more rolling to damage comes from the DCU game? Where a successful hit just does damage.
I think its mostly just to offset the "always get block dice". The game already had issues with the two rolls being fairly likely to result in no successes (Bat-whiff). If they kept all 3 rolls in, a 5 attack model going after a DEF 3 guy would get something like 1.5 successes on average, which is pretty miserable and rapidly turns into 0 successes when dealing with models with a lower attack stat.
Honestly, that's one of the best I've seen in terms of overblown basing. It's fitting with the character and helps enhance the pose by giving it a sense of motion it wouldn't otherwise have. It's also not something that clashes with existing basing, since its not something natural like a rock or impossibly immobile like a rooftop corner.
The most egregious ones are the ones for me where there's no real reason for them to be there. Batman on a gargoyle or Gordon with the Bat-signal or even (just about) Aquaman on his ocean ruins are at least reminiscent of iconic or famous images, for instance, but I don't think Harley gains anything from being on a giant clown head. That's not something you think of when you think of the character, it's just making the model more flashy and bigger.
Funny thing is, I could sort of buy it for a specifically DCU version, where everything lends itself to being a bit overstated and melodramatic. But for the very subtle, almost claustrophobic vibe you want from a street-level Batman game it seems really out of place. It's not a bad model, it just strikes me as really odd.
Ironically, today's update specifically calls out the gaming purpose to the larger bases, to do things like boost the radius of a Boss's area effects... So I guess we can expect a lot more characters on pointlessly massive bases going forward.
And now that they’re putting models on giant scenic bases they’re switching to true line of sight! All the locals who have been super into the game just collectively went Nope.
AduroT wrote: And now that they’re putting models on giant scenic bases they’re switching to true line of sight! All the locals who have been super into the game just collectively went Nope.
Really? Ouch! Have you discussed maybe homebrewing a few rules, like LOS, to suit tastes, or just playing the previous edition, rather than abandoning the game?
Personally I don't like true LOS myself, because I don't think your model's pose or a raised base or whatever should give you an advantage or disadvantage in the actual game.
I’m not currently playing the game myself. I played in first edition, fell off just before second, started to look at getting back into, was turned off to find out everything I owned was legacy format only, debated updating to new, but then the rumors of third coming made me decide to wait. The other locals are getting into the new Marvel minis game. Will be interested to see how the two do vs each other.
AduroT wrote: And now that they’re putting models on giant scenic bases they’re switching to true line of sight! All the locals who have been super into the game just collectively went Nope.
"Most obviously, in order to attack your enemies with ranged weaponry, you must have a good line of sight to your target. To do this, you need to draw a clear line to physical block of the target (the enemy model’s head, body and legs). We ignore arms, weapons, decorative elements and any scenic items on the model’s base for these purposes. The opponent will usually seek Cover behind scenery pieces that completely block or at least partially obscure line of sight, so it’s vital that you find a good vantage point from which to attack."
Taken from Knight's Post
Strange TLOS that discounts the majority of the model.
I'm definitely more on the collectors side of things right now, since my regular DCU opponent is super busy. So, I'm kinda pretty happy with the mega ornate display models, though it has taken me literalyl a month to paint my Anniversary Batman.
I just need to be brave enough to work on his cape.
The cape has been kinda easy for me, Kantor Blue and Night Lords blue really help, but its still slow going.
I just put together the new Wonder Woman and she's great. You could easily get her on a smaller base.
New Suicide Squad box was great also, except that Deathstroke's sword is the thinnest excuse for a piece of resin I have even seen. I think I will replace the blade. Also his knife came snapped off, so Im just gonna take a Knife bit I have laying around and glue it to the sheath.
Much better. Still definitely some size creep with regular humans being on 40mm bases, but certainly an improvement over carrying a diorama round with them.
They also mentioned on Facebook that their 'plastic' (presumably still plastic resin, not hard plastic) is an improved substance. I've been pretty happy with the current stuff in terms of holding detail, but if this new stuff is a little sturdier and less brittle that can only be a good thing (*glances at the Raven mini that broke at the ankle once before painting, twice during and once after...*)
Yeah the improved Resin/Plastic could be nice, I've had limited issues with the current, but its mostly good.
Biggest most glaring issue is that the new Deathstroke's sword feels barely thicker than flash, and was super warped. So the blade is prime for getting replaced. His knife was also broken, but I didnt care for that anyway and now he's punching. I'll put a knife handle on the sheath
Worth noting there's advantages and disadvantages to base size. Being smaller makes you easier to hide, but the larger models create a larger radius for auras, notably inspire, which is now what largely makes you henchmen function.
JimmyWolf87 wrote: Knight being Knight then. How long has 2nd Edition been out? As per a lot of comments here; lovely display pieces but... yeah....
2nd is just over 2 years old so no worse than a GW edition change really. It's not necessary but the changes look really neat and bringing it into a far more modern game IMO, I just want to see the full rules now so I can play
JimmyWolf87 wrote: Knight being Knight then. How long has 2nd Edition been out? As per a lot of comments here; lovely display pieces but... yeah....
2nd is just over 2 years old so no worse than a GW edition change really. It's not necessary but the changes look really neat and bringing it into a far more modern game IMO, I just want to see the full rules now so I can play
JimmyWolf87 wrote: Knight being Knight then. How long has 2nd Edition been out? As per a lot of comments here; lovely display pieces but... yeah....
2nd is just over 2 years old so no worse than a GW edition change really. It's not necessary but the changes look really neat and bringing it into a far more modern game IMO, I just want to see the full rules now so I can play
GW is generally four years between editions.
GW is completely variable between editions. 6th - 7th was about 2 years, AoS to AoS 2.0 was about 2 years I think, and there’s rumours of 9th 40k next year which would be 2 years as well I think.
That's an amazing model/diorama, and as usual KM's photography is brilliant. What is going on though? Is this something that happened in the comics?
If I remember correctly its from Forever Evil, when Gotham was under the control of the Villains.
Also, Militia is no longer a Tab in the Drop Down menu. Their Batbox has been merged with Bane, and the combined forces are now called Soldiers of Fortune. This pleases me.
Oh dang, that does suck. But the more I think of it, the more I think that the Militia is being merged with them so they have a nice place to go while the Arkham Series based stuff is killed off.
A lot of the newest models come with alternate normal sized bases.
If you're not looking at playing in tournaments, I'd probably suggest sticking to the original 40mm bases. Then if you get the new big fancy models, assemble them with the scenery pieces, then use the older models for the smaller based versions of them.
JimmyWolf87 wrote: Knight being Knight then. How long has 2nd Edition been out? As per a lot of comments here; lovely display pieces but... yeah....
2nd is just over 2 years old so no worse than a GW edition change really. It's not necessary but the changes look really neat and bringing it into a far more modern game IMO, I just want to see the full rules now so I can play
GW is generally four years between editions.
GW is completely variable between editions. 6th - 7th was about 2 years, AoS to AoS 2.0 was about 2 years I think, and there’s rumours of 9th 40k next year which would be 2 years as well I think.
Ya and 6th and 7th edition 40k was about the worst game in history, it was what got me out, 8th kinda got me back.
As far as Batman, it has been a great game if the new edition can speed things up a little it might be worthwhile. I haven't seen any of the new rules demo so i have no clue. I thought about Batbane, he looks cool and the black friday deal isn't bad but you don't get a discount on the set so the discount on Batbane kind of gets squished. The free shipping is nice but I think i gotta go the cheap route on this one and pass on Batbane and wait til a few other retails list their preorders to save some money.
As far as Batman, it has been a great game if the new edition can speed things up a little it might be worthwhile. I haven't seen any of the new rules demo so i have no clue.
It's a LOT faster. There's a lot about 3rd's objective system that needs more play time to really judge the game properly, but speed is one of the big improvements in a lot of areas.
Easy E wrote: Is there less standing around and babysitting objectives for the whole game in 3rd edition?
It seems like a lot of the emphasis is on camping on objectives, and not enough on smashing face.
Yeah. The old objective system is gone and replaced with an objective deck that looks like some kind of lovechild between Malifaux and Shadespire. The contents of that deck and how they tailor it to each crew's playstyle is the big wildcard in my mind. Everything I've seen points to a better game, but that deck is too important to really evaluate the game without having some significant experience with.
According to some people on the BMG Facebook groups, Knight has delayed Third until Jan 15th and is giving a Third Edition Joe Chill model to anyone who pre-ordered through them.
So preordered Batman 3rd edition on 12/9 just got the email from the online store i bought it from saying they had to cancel my order. The distrubutor they were getting Knight Models products from will no longer be doing business with Knight Models or taking orders for them.
First my LGS two years back now my online supplier. Knights models really needs to do something with their distribution.
angel of death 007 wrote: So preordered Batman 3rd edition on 12/9 just got the email from the online store i bought it from saying they had to cancel my order. The distrubutor they were getting Knight Models products from will no longer be doing business with Knight Models or taking orders for them.
First my LGS two years back now my online supplier. Knights models really needs to do something with their distribution.
The UK store I preordered through put up a notice saying they are not taking any more orders from knight models until they sort their crap out. They have said the boxsets they ordered will be arriving "soon".
Not sure if it’s the same in the US but Knight models have just opened up an Amazon prime storefront in some countries in Europe so you can get next day delivery straight from them although it is at full retail price. Wouldn’t be surprised if that has annoyed some stores.
Finally ended up getting my 3e starter after the long long delay. Here they had been doing relatively well with CS and shipping and then they bungle the release.
I'm not surprised to hear stores are dropping doing orders with them. Disappointed that Knight has continued to bungle things enough for it to be a thing. I'll stick with it though for now, I enjoy the game and the few games I have played with the 3e rule set they posted online have been good, if lacking in clarification on matters.
On to release news.
It's Lady Shiva.
And it's her GW like Release Teaser Video.
Jason Todd, The Red Hood, in the current or recent Red Hood outfit.
His GW like, release Video.
I'll get Hood, maybe Shiva. I'm more interested in whether or not Shiva (and her Video's 2nd Quote) means we will be getting Orphan aka Cassandra Cain, her daughter. More importantly if we get Orphan, will we get Spoiler?
And just when i was thinking to myself today i wonder if they will update red hood's look to reflect the comics. I don't play but i do collect some of the models so he made my must buy as one of my fave dc "heros".
timetowaste85 wrote: I can: Tremor, scorpion, chameleon, Ermac, Rain, Noob saibot, Sub-Zero, reptile and smoke.
I tip my hat to you sir! I could only name about 5 of them!
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rybackstun wrote: Never really been a big fan of the other Color Swaps. I grew up playing Scorpion and Sub-Zero and having them be their own genuine characters.
To be fair I don't think they did the Ryu/Ken thing of palette swaps who play almost identically; each of the ninjas does have their own move set and stuff.
They don’t even look close to identical anymore. That was more the tech of the age than anything. Tremor is HUGE, muscular and slow, while guys like Noob focus on teleport strikes and dimensional rift disappearances (ok, Scorpion has a move like that too). Rain is a combo chainer with ridiculous weather control and is a prince of Edenia (yes, PRINCE RAIN in Purple gear, he was a joke character originally). Chameleon even became female and has some moves from each of them. So yeah, they’ve evolved a lot. And Ermac looks more like a mummy now and is the physical manifestation of Quan Chi’s soulnado.
Now I want to play MK11. And I’m honestly not a fan of that Red Hood. I prefer the motorcycle fetish look. That’s a term Joker used, I wasn’t the first to say it.
After binge watching Gotham on Netflix I've really got a hankering for this game. I've seen and really like the models, but understand there's quite a lot of negative feelings towards this. I'm not reading through the past 60 pages of this topic so could anyone sum up the current state of the game and help me to decide whether or not to commit and start buying.
My favoured online seller has a lot of this reduced and with Salute coming up I'm sure I'll find a bargain or two, but is it a game worth getting?
So... there's a new edition that launched in a very unfinished state; closer to beta rules in print form only. Since then the starter has come out, some of the big issues have been resolved, and the new edition is finding its footing.
The current big problem is that the new edition plays heavily on objective decks that are tailored to each faction and there's only decks for a couple of them at the moment. There's a generic one, but if you play someone like say, the Riddler, who had every rule on his card changed to something that references his not yet released objective deck.... it can be frustrating.
There's also just the issue that 2nd edition was just a couple years ago, and some stuff that's fairly recent got discontinued and other things that create community unrest.
All of that said, as someone very put off by the way the change was handled, I think the new edition has a lot of potential and if you're just getting started its a great time to do so. They did a really great job streamlining a lot of the busywork that bloated the game time and I'm really looking forward to giving it a try now that its finding its feet again. I'd just start small, play a few games to get a feel for it and see if its your thing.
I was gonna wait until everything for this release had been shown off, but I can just post more.
First up the new Batbox;
Harley Quinn and the 'Birds of Prey' featuring the Cassie Cain that shouldnt have been their first Cassandra Cain.
Barbara Gordon as Oracle, he card notes her as having the Brave and the Bold and the Birds of Prey affiliation (BoP replaced the Gotham City Sirens affiliation for some reason in 3e)
A new Katana, who also features the Brave and the Bold and Birds of Prey Affiliations.
Also for those in the US it seems like at least one of the distributors that used to carry Knight Models have dropped them meaning stores that used to be able to get stuff can't any more (and people who had preorders for stuff missed out)
That is apparently everything for the March releases per the new email. There's also a tease for a new Ivy, but it doesn't appear to actually be releasing in March.
The BoP stuff looks great and I'm happy to see them get a fleshed out crew.
That said, I hope to see Soldiers of Fortune in the next update for 3rd. Updated boxes, the objective deck, and maybe some new Militia and Mercs to help give that crew some options for forces.
SoF has tons of options now. They need an objective deck like everyone else, but with 2 batboxes and a 2P starter half, they have one of the larger pools of leaders and henchmen out there.
LunarSol wrote: That is apparently everything for the March releases per the new email. There's also a tease for a new Ivy, but it doesn't appear to actually be releasing in March.
The email was sent prematurely in an unfinished state which is why only some people received it. That is actually an existing Ivy (the one who comes on a large scenic base), it looks like she is being rereleased for the new edition and her card is also going to be available in a “Birds of Prey” card deck. The contents of the card pack seem to be completely wrong from the email so hopefully it includes quite a few second edition models.
LunarSol wrote: SoF has tons of options now. They need an objective deck like everyone else, but with 2 batboxes and a 2P starter half, they have one of the larger pools of leaders and henchmen out there.
This is assuming that they'll be updating the DKR box (which was not done for the Batman side). I imagine they'll be updating at least the Bane box, but I don't think that Militia is guaranteed an updated box/cards.
Either way I'm looking forward to whatever the update and the new models end up being.
The Batman side hasn't been updated because they haven't put out the Card Pack for the Brave and the Bold yet. If the Militia don't get updated in their Card Pack update that would be odd, but not entirely unexpected. They are moving away from the Arkhamverse in their releases.
I hope they don't push out the Militia, but they could. It would be dumb considering they are one of the Batboxes.
LunarSol wrote: SoF has tons of options now. They need an objective deck like everyone else, but with 2 batboxes and a 2P starter half, they have one of the larger pools of leaders and henchmen out there.
This is assuming that they'll be updating the DKR box (which was not done for the Batman side). I imagine they'll be updating at least the Bane box, but I don't think that Militia is guaranteed an updated box/cards.
Either way I'm looking forward to whatever the update and the new models end up being.
The DKR box is still 100% valid and doesn't need updating (only thing that changed is movement stat and trait definitions which can all be easily found in the rules documents). The Batman side don't have an update deck for model cards and aren't likely to get one either because they already have their faction deck out as part of the new starter. Also, the DKR box is all valid in League and they aren't in the League pack either (even DKR Talia who is only League)
Yup, you just use your existing card. Traits do whatever the compendium says they do now. Stats are the same except move which is 4+2xMove. I'm not a huge fan of dirty porting like that, but it is what it is. The DKR starter is on the Standard list and everything. You can also check out the Facebook groups, where people have done a fantastic job porting the stats over to the new card style for people that want to print them out for reference.
I'm aware of conversions and players who create updated cards and such (of which I have downloaded everything I personally own and can print at any point).
There's a significant difference between an official update with a physical product and player conversions/homebrew. I'm of the camp that I'd rather just have official product and not have to spend time running arts and crafts for things that need updating. I'm aware the option is there and I will use it if I must, but when the official stuff drops I'll be much happier with my collection.
) and thus catching up to 2nd edition, I've noticed a few rules that seem to have either been omitted from or come along later than the Compendium document. Special Volume I can find no mention of, and the new Penguin's Dealer trait also seems absent. Is there an up-to-date repository of such things, or are they just covered with the minis they come with?
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. Yeah, wrong universe, but you get the point.
