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Up to 10 points and I generally don't care.

I always try to make my lists on or under points though.

chaplaingrabthar wrote:99% of the time, competitive or friendly game or what-have-you, I allow 0 points over and expect my opponent to do the same.

Agreed. Same here. Unless say its someone I know quite well that is testing a new army list out. Then there's a little leeway. But for myself I never go over the points cap.

MIKEtheMERCILESS wrote:"I'm just a little over my points limit, but I'll just have a slight point advantage"

"I'm just an inch out of charging range, but I'll just push them a little bit further"

"I just missed with my Melta gun, but I'll just go ahead and hit the vehicle"


Not much difference really.

Wow, Forgeworld and GW have scenarios all the time where the two armies don't match point-wise. Who knew the company was so full of cheaters?

Specific scenarios are very different, because they have supposedly been specifically balanced in terms of forces allowed, and victory conditions, and special rules, so as to not need to have the same number of points.

This assumes they've been designed competently, and actually playtested before publication -- I do have my doubts about that, a lot of the time.

Edit -- on the subject at hand -- I allow my opponent to be as many points under as they like. If they find they're a few points over and have no little upgrades they want to drop, they can always drop their cheapest unit entirely. If they want to play "bring all your models and put them on the table and I'll bring all mine and we'll see what happens", I believe that's called Apocalypse.

insaniak wrote:It would depend on the situation. And the opponent.

In a tournament setting there shouldn't be any leeway at all. The points limit is the limit. That's why it's called a limit.

In a friendly game, I'll generally not mind a few points here or there if you're making a list up on the spot. If you're walking into a gaming session with a prepared list though, frankly there's no excuse for being over.

I wouldn't refuse to play, particularly if given time to adjust my own list accordingly... but I do consider it poor form.

+1

Scott-S6 wrote:

MagickalMemories wrote:You're 10 points over? No. Lose a melta gun or something.
If you're 5 points over & you've got a 5 point piece of wargear somewhere, then drop it.

I'd prefer my opponent to be 5pts over than to start the "this meltagun is actually a flamer" nonsense.

Doesn't bother me, so long as it's universal.
ALL flamers are meltas? Fine.
This flamer is a flamer, but this one over here is a melta? :eye roll:

Eric

JOHIRA wrote:Wow, Forgeworld and GW have scenarios all the time where the two armies don't match point-wise. Who knew the company was so full of cheaters?

Yay for deliberately missing the point.

It's not cheating if both players agree to play that way.

insaniak wrote:

JOHIRA wrote:Wow, Forgeworld and GW have scenarios all the time where the two armies don't match point-wise. Who knew the company was so full of cheaters?

Yay for deliberately missing the point.

It's not cheating if both players agree to play that way.

And if both players agree to let one player be 10 points over?

yeah,
TLDR... I read page1 and here's my two cents.

I try to stick to the limit agreed it's only proper, but if I want to go over the limit I'll check that it's cool to do so.

I'm always happy for my opponent to be over costed by any number of points as long as I get to add in an extra melta/troop/tank!

Panic

I prefer the 0 points over, since a lot of my gaming will probably be tournaments (until I get used to my work schedule). But if someone wants to go over, for whatever reason, I would rather increase both army lists point limit so then both of us can have more shiny things.

we allow about 2-3 points over, but if its because of an upgrade never, but we always take spare troops incase one person doesnt agree so we readjust our armys before hand, like removing a battle suit so a parrana can be used (sorry my spellng sucks)

MIKEtheMERCILESS wrote:
A single boltgun very rarely ever makes a difference to the outcome of game, so why are you much less likely to hear someone ask "You don't mind if we just say that one hit?"

Most likely because allowing a bit of overage with respect to points is not the same thing as the direct manipulation of what are supposed to be random number generators.

In the first case the conventions of a given environment are relaxed, in the other case a fundamental change is made with respect to a basic element of the game. If you start fudging dice rolls, then the random element isn't random at all.

IMO, they're allowed to be up to 5 points for every 1000 points (so, 1005, 2010, 4020, 8040, etc)

Usually, if they stick to these guidelines, I'll throw in another upgrade somewhere, and get on with it. (Casual games of course, and I always ask to see a list or have a rundown of their army)

:EDIT:
Quick question: Dogma, what the hell is your avatar? It's been bugging me for ages

S_P

Its a giant, steam-powered platypus.

I used to allow up to 4 points over, but recently I have started saying you have to be at the number or lower, I've found a player or two will add an item just because he can go over rather than they don't have another way to do it.

Bottom line: It can be fun to allow, but normally you shouldn't allow it.

It really gets me though when someone asks if they can be 3 or some points over, where I've already made my list on the spot at the points or under.

Polonius wrote:

MIKEtheMERCILESS wrote:Which leads onto my point that instead of analysing how big an impact the violation would have on the outcome of the game, simply accept it as you would any other game rule and not violate it.

Except people violate game rules all the time. How often have you allowed an opponent to backtrack and move a unit, or use an Eldar psychic power, or play with non-WYSIWYG models, or any of the other courtesies that are often exchanged in casual games?

Why is allowing somebody to be a few points over any different from other violations of game rules that make the game more interesting for both parties?

What I'm trying to get at is that sure, you can let that player use that Phychic Power even though he failed it or let him charge because he was *just* out and is down on his luck. However, it's always clear that this is breaking the rules and giving him a leg up, which you allow as a curtesy.

It's one thing for someone to ask you if you mind if he can bend the rules at some point to at least keep the game from being one-sided;
it's a different thing altogether, if someone in advance of the game has given himself an advantage by packing that extra melta-gun which takes him over the agreed points limit, and assumes that there's nothing wrong with that.

I'm not talking about punishing someone who's over their points as if he's cheated; I'm talking about the attitude that many players take that not only is it not a rules violation, but that it would be unexpected if you as the opponent would have an issue with it. You're welcome to allow it, but you do on the premise that you're accepting that he has the advantage of that extra piece of wargear that not only takes him above the agreed points limit, but what was aparrently to important for him to simply drop to avoid the violation.

2 points is the limit for me. I usually play friendly games (but competitive) so it isn't a big deal for me. But if your over more than 1 weapon or 1 model. just drop it.
You should have thought about it better.

0, zilch, nothing.
BE AT THE LIMIT OR...I'd probably just add another melta bomb. I suck at arguing over even the tiniest conflicts.

Tbh, I really really want people to stay under the limit. I very very often find my self at 2001p, I can't get under it without dropping something, weakening my army.
Which I do believe is the point. If you can't fit something in 2000p you can't bring it to a 2000p match...

I'll happily go to five over. With the newer codexes, it's very easy to get bang on the money, by adding or dropping grenades, melta bombs etc, but the older codexes often have random numbers in unit costs, with little or nothing to allow the player to keep it on the number.

I find single digits is not worth bothering about(1-9 points_) and really makes little difference.

Sometimes you get those 2001 point lists, etc.

I try to stay at or under myself.

0 points over. It's a points LIMIT and that's what limit means. I say that as a casual gamer.

If they can reach the limit by dropping something then they should have to, but 1 or 2 points over doesnt worry me too much.
No getting away with that extra meltagun though.

I am still wondering why more people do not simply agree to playing 2005 point games, when it is obviously so difficult for them (or their opponent) to build a 2000 point list.

Sure, no tourney I have ever seen does that, but then no tourney allows more points then they state originally anyway.

Agreeing to allow 5 extra points is the same as agreeing to play a game with a different point total.

Put another way--if your games allow players to be 10 points beyond the number the players agreed to, then you are just lying (to yourself) about the game total, not simply allowing extra points. Saying something like "It is ok to be 5 points over at 2000" is really saying "I am playing a 2005 point game."

Less than 3pts

Zero points over.

I could care less if the guy is exactly on or under or 10 points over. There's more important things in life to worry about...

If it bothers you so much, ask your opponent to remove 1 model from one of his units. Or, tell him you're gonna add a model to one of your units to even it out. Or one of you can add/remove a piece of cheap wargear.

Necros wrote:If it bothers you so much, ask your opponent to remove 1 model from one of his units. Or, tell him you're gonna add a model to one of your units to even it out. Or one of you can add/remove a piece of cheap wargear.

This is a pretty easy way to deal with it in a friendly game. If they have a list that couldn't drop the last 3 points, and you're 2 points under, you've got a 5 point piece of gear to add on somewhere...

Hello, ironcurse icon!!! (for WHFB)

If we have agreed ahead of time to a 2000 point game, I expect my opponent to show up with a list of 2000 points or LESS. Not one point over. If it's a pickup game and we are throwing lists together on the spot, I'm not that worried about 5 or 10 points over.

I prefer that they go under but if it's really minuscule like 1-4 points I let it go. I mean it's just a game and usually that much more points doesn't make a huge difference. If it's a tournament though then no they have to meet the limit. Don't wanna go all Walter Soljack on their you know what's now. "MARK IT ZERO!" lol.

kirsanth wrote:Agreeing to allow 5 extra points is the same as agreeing to play a game with a different point total.

Only if you insist both players' armies be at the same point value.

Put another way--if your games allow players to be 10 points beyond the number the players agreed to, then you are just lying (to yourself) about the game total, not simply allowing extra points. Saying something like "It is ok to be 5 points over at 2000" is really saying "I am playing a 2005 point game."

And why does that matter?