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H.B.M.C. wrote:

CommissarKhaine wrote:Ash waste nomads from necomunda look pretty cool. They have a lot of different poses, they're easily convertible, and they're quite orignal. Their hoods and clothing make them look different from all the rest; I guess my three imperial psyker will need a GS treatment though.

Of course I haven't seen them for sale anywhere in years.

*Frantic search of Ebay*

You're right - there's none to be had there.

I ususally just go to the Warstore or some other large online store and browse for stuff. There are a lot of nice off brand models that would pass for psykers and the like.
I just really want to find some people in the fetal position to go in little jars now... I am digging that idea

Wehrkind wrote:I ususally just go to the Warstore or some other large online store and browse for stuff. There are a lot of nice off brand models that would pass for psykers and the like.
I just really want to find some people in the fetal position to go in little jars now... I am digging that idea

Gideon Ravenor in a squad

Military-Governor wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

Maybe perhaps read some of them. I know, that's a pretty far out concept, but hey you may actually learn something!!!

No. I am not reading the thousand posts since I left.

Just no.

I've read all posts...

You are mighty!

Well, when you play IG, having the first good news about your army in 5 years is a pretty big deal. I've read everything, drinking it down like a golden elixer of knowledge. And flaming. But more knowledge than flaming.

Konrad Carstein wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

CommissarKhaine wrote:Ash waste nomads from necomunda look pretty cool. They have a lot of different poses, they're easily convertible, and they're quite orignal. Their hoods and clothing make them look different from all the rest; I guess my three imperial psyker will need a GS treatment though.

Of course I haven't seen them for sale anywhere in years.

*Frantic search of Ebay*

You're right - there's none to be had there.

I still have twelve of the little blighters ; by converting up 4 more I'll have two squads with eight psykers. Should be fun.

CommissarKhaine wrote:
I still have twelve of the little blighters ; by converting up 4 more I'll have two squads with eight psykers. Should be fun.

Two squads of eight? Emperor have mercy on your enemies... and people wonder why psykers are hated and feared . If confronted with that kind of abomination, the only recourse is to call ortillery support from the Imperial Navy. You can never be 100% sure but it is the next best thing .

Wehrkind wrote:
I just really want to find some people in the fetal position to go in little jars now... I am digging that idea

Totally W! Looking forward to seeing what you come up with.

I have an idea for legion psykers too

I have a question for any of you enthusiasts that may have snuck a peak at the codex:

If you merge all 5 of your infantry squads into a giant ameba squad, which I assume must move, shoot, and assault as if it were one giant squad, does that mean any orders given to a guy with a vox in that unit apply to all 50 guys? Example: A company commander gives FRFSRF order to a guy in the ameba unit. Do all 35+ lasgun models get an extra shot with that one order, or just the 7 guys that were in the original squad before it merged with the other four?

Since the merge happens while you deploy, I don't see any way for the orders not to apply to the entire blob.

Kujo wrote:I have a question for any of you enthusiasts that may have snuck a peak at the codex:

If you merge all 5 of your infantry squads into a giant ameba squad, which I assume must move, shoot, and assault as if it were one giant squad, does that mean any orders given to a guy with a vox in that unit apply to all 50 guys? Example: A company commander gives FRFSRF order to a guy in the ameba unit. Do all 35+ lasgun models get an extra shot with that one order, or just the 7 guys that were in the original squad before it merged with the other four?

Everything that has been said so far has implied that we will treat the amoeba platoon as one unit. Therefore 1 order would effect the entire squad

Of course, that also means that the entire squad could be killed by one assault! So a commissar is recommended!

Here's another one: Al Rahem's special ability gives flanking to his platoon. Does that include dedicated transports such as chimeras (assuming you can upgrade each infantry squad with a chimera now)?

BoxANT wrote:About the advisors, so which are you guys dead set on using?

Ordnance, no question about it. The marginal cost is low, and just one good pie plate easily earns the points back.

So looking at the pie plate as a sunk cost, the only quesition is whether it is worth the opportunity cost of any of the alternatives. As Guard no longer have massed DS as an option, but gained more Ordnance on the table, I'm not sure modifying IG reserve rolls is valuable at all. I'm thinking to let the small number of DS units stay in Reserve, then go for Objectives later in the game.
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A-P wrote:Until GW finally modernizes DH and WH, they are a great asset for the Guard as allies.

it is entirely possible that the Inquisitorial support as we know it will either disappear or mutate to something totally different. Enjoy the support of the Holy Ordos while they still have the means to do so.

Exactly. GW has tipped their hand via the way the models are grouped for sales, so (eventually) we will be seeing Codex: Inquisition that combines all of the Inquisitional elements. Most likely, it will have generic greater inductees (SM) and generic lesser inductees (IG), to be playable as a standalone book. Most likely, it will severely limit the amount and armies (IG, possibly Sisters) that can be taken. And, yeah, no doubt it will be revamped in options (adding Valks, for example).

But until then, Inquisitor & Mystics is the way to go.

Kujo wrote:Here's another one: Al Rahem's special ability gives flanking to his platoon. Does that include dedicated transports such as chimeras (assuming you can upgrade each infantry squad with a chimera now)?

Units that have Outflank confer that ability to their dedicated transport as per the BRB p. 94.

So unless Al Rahem's ability has an additional rule that states "units in his platoon can not take dedicated transports", which there has be zero mention of, it looks like an outflanking platoon of mounted guardsmen is an option


He costs 70 points, can give 2 orders at 12" and has an insta kill powerweapon. He'll be interesting to try out! I can imagine that 3 chimeras and 25 guardsmen outflanking could really throw a wrench into someone's plans Of course, you're looking at a ~400 point wrench.

migsula wrote:

Wehrkind wrote:
I just really want to find some people in the fetal position to go in little jars now... I am digging that idea

Totally W! Looking forward to seeing what you come up with.

I have an idea for legion psykers too

You could simply convert the basic Cadian Shock Trooper models into the Mentor and Psykers since all of them have flak armor saves (5+). Their basic load of a laspistol and CCW is already included on the sprues though you could raid the new command sprues as well.

I would use a bit of GS and different heads. I think some arm respositioning would also be in order. I may try this out this weekend and post some pictures.

I know this might be a tack folks aren't ready for, but aren't command squads no longer 1+ now? As nifty as advisors are, I'm starting to think that:
No more LD bubbles +
No more re-roll standard +
1 "mandatory" advisor (Ordinance) +
The other advisors not being strictly necessary unles you build for them +
Other decent HQ options +
Platton leaders also having orders
= maybe only taking one HQ and saving the points for all those plasma sponsons, chimeras, etc...

I don't see Mech Guard (or the quasi-tank company) needed the Company Command at all.

It saves a KP

CommissarKhaine wrote:I still have twelve of the little blighters ; by converting up 4 more I'll have two squads with eight psykers. Should be fun.

I used one for my Witch Hunters Penitant...

Recklessfable wrote:I know this might be a tack folks aren't ready for, but aren't command squads no longer 1+ now? As nifty as advisors are, I'm starting to think that:
No more LD bubbles +
No more re-roll standard +
1 "mandatory" advisor (Ordinance) +
The other advisors not being strictly necessary unles you build for them +
Other decent HQ options +
Platton leaders also having orders
= maybe only taking one HQ and saving the points for all those plasma sponsons, chimeras, etc...

I don't see Mech Guard (or the quasi-tank company) needed the Company Command at all.

It saves a KP

1. CCS are our cheapest HQ choice
2. CCS are only 1 KP (just like any other HQ)
3. CCS give orders that PCS do not have access to (reroll enemy cover, reroll misses against MC&vehicles, auto regroup)
4. the CCS standard still gives reroll morale (the PCS standard does not).
5. 50 points for 5 BS4 guardsmen & 2 orders (at 12") is not a bad deal imo.

I think it is cool that the codex gives us more flexibility (non mandatory CCS), but I think CCS are still a great deal.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

BoxANT wrote:About the advisors, so which are you guys dead set on using?

Ordnance, no question about it. The marginal cost is low, and just one good pie plate easily earns the points back.

Earning points back doesn't win you any game per se while the chance for even one good hit is marginal. In addition, they will have to stand still. Dunno, but I'm planning on moving to and fro, shouting orders (the JO ones are extremely overrated).

Concerning the Astropath, you will know when you need him. You can easily build an army with mostly outflankers & DSers.

I'm personally going to include the Fleet Liaison Officer. I don't like enemy outflankers, DSing termis or daemons one bit. The INQ + Mystics is a gimmick. People make it sound as if he would kill whole units all the time but that isn't the case due to its limited range.

BoxANT wrote:
So unless Al Rahem's ability has an additional rule that states "units in his platoon can not take dedicated transports", which there has be zero mention of, it looks like an outflanking platoon of mounted guardsmen is an option


He costs 70 points, can give 2 orders at 12" and has an insta kill powerweapon. He'll be interesting to try out! I can imagine that 3 chimeras and 25 guardsmen outflanking could really throw a wrench into someone's plans Of course, you're looking at a ~400 point wrench.

They're all individual units, right? Wouldn't they appear at different times and in different places?

Recklessfable wrote:
1 "mandatory" advisor (Ordinance)

There is no ordinance advisor.

I don't see Mech Guard (or the quasi-tank company) needed the Company Command at all.

It saves a KP

How?

JB wrote:

migsula wrote:

Wehrkind wrote:
I just really want to find some people in the fetal position to go in little jars now... I am digging that idea

Totally W! Looking forward to seeing what you come up with.

I have an idea for legion psykers too

You could simply convert the basic Cadian Shock Trooper models into the Mentor and Psykers since all of them have flak armor saves (5+). Their basic load of a laspistol and CCW is already included on the sprues though you could raid the new command sprues as well.

I would use a bit of GS and different heads. I think some arm respositioning would also be in order. I may try this out this weekend and post some pictures.

We... could... yes... but... Hi, have we met? This is Migsula, he makes tiny gods from dust and wind. I am Wehrkind, I... well don't, but I have been known to do a mean kit bash Nice to meet you

I dunno, maybe after reading the fluff I will go a different route, but as I understand it now, one lead psyker using the others as batteries, it just screams for a crazy looking unit.

Though 8 hooded monks with heads bowed attached by chain/cabling to a lightning rod of a "mentor" whom they use to focus their abilities through would be cool too. Man, there are just so many good ways to go with this unit!

With the Astropath they appear with a 3+ on turn 2 and rerolling table edge gives them an 89% chance to appear on the short edge of their choice (1/3 failure rate * 1/3 failure rate).

I'm not necessarily saying I endorse a fully outflanking Guard army, but their ability to maximize their opportunity while minimizing the enemy's (Officer of the Fleet/ good luck Outflanking) makes the IG far, far more effective at it than a Kor'sorro Khan-esque list.

I do feel that the Astropath and Officer of the Fleet are all but mandatory choices, however. Passive abilities this powerful need be included almost without exception.

Lord Solar Plexus wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:Ordnance, no question about it. The marginal cost is low, and just one good pie plate easily earns the points back.

Earning points back doesn't win you any game per se while the chance for even one good hit is marginal. In addition, they will have to stand still.

The INQ + Mystics is a gimmick. People make it sound as if he would kill whole units all the time but that isn't the case due to its limited range.

True, but NOT earning points back very often loses you the game, and I'm not sure I can envision any scenario in which 2 or 3 pie plates from the sky don't earn back 30 or 80 pts, scatter and all. Given that Guard don't move much anyways, standing still isn't a big deal.

Inq + Mystics will kill whole units if they're positioned properly. I currently field Inq/Mystic in LR within 12" of 3 Demolishers (star pattern). My S10 AP2 Demolisher plates have wiped multiple whole units from the board in a single shot. In the new book I can squadron Russes, so that means I could have the Inq pass the shooting over to a Demolisher squadron to drop 2 or 3 S10 AP2 pie plates on the DS target. 3 S10 AP2 plates *will* wipe out any DS unit. So yeah, it's a gimmick, and a good one that works.

This:

Lord Solar Plexus wrote:I'm personally going to include the Fleet Liaison Officer. I don't like enemy outflankers, DSing termis or daemons one bit.

makes sense.

This:

The INQ + Mystics is a gimmick. People make it sound as if he would kill whole units all the time but that isn't the case due to its limited range.

doesn't make sense. Not really because it's wrong, but because if protecting your gunline is important to you, then you WILL take this unit. The average range of effectiveness for Inq+Mystics is 14 inches, which is precisely what you need to protect yourself from deep striking [multi-] meltas.

The psychological barrier created by your opponent with Deep Striking/Drop Podding [whatevers] knowing that if he uses his units the way that he expended points for them, he'll watch 3/4 of them die on arrival, is invaluable.

Lord Solar Plexus wrote:

BoxANT wrote:
So unless Al Rahem's ability has an additional rule that states "units in his platoon can not take dedicated transports", which there has be zero mention of, it looks like an outflanking platoon of mounted guardsmen is an option


He costs 70 points, can give 2 orders at 12" and has an insta kill powerweapon. He'll be interesting to try out! I can imagine that 3 chimeras and 25 guardsmen outflanking could really throw a wrench into someone's plans Of course, you're looking at a ~400 point wrench.

They're all individual units, right? Wouldn't they appear at different times and in different places?

Well I guess it depends on if they maintain the current Infantry Platoon rule where the entire platoon deploys as a single unit ect ect.

I haven't heard that they are removing it, but then again, I haven't heard if they are keeping it either...

BoxANT wrote:

Lord Solar Plexus wrote:

BoxANT wrote:
So unless Al Rahem's ability has an additional rule that states "units in his platoon can not take dedicated transports", which there has be zero mention of, it looks like an outflanking platoon of mounted guardsmen is an option


He costs 70 points, can give 2 orders at 12" and has an insta kill powerweapon. He'll be interesting to try out! I can imagine that 3 chimeras and 25 guardsmen outflanking could really throw a wrench into someone's plans Of course, you're looking at a ~400 point wrench.

They're all individual units, right? Wouldn't they appear at different times and in different places?

Well I guess it depends on if they maintain the current Infantry Platoon rule where the entire platoon deploys as a single unit ect ect.

I haven't heard that they are removing it, but then again, I haven't heard if they are keeping it either...

Well, in 5th edition, it's not a rule anyway, your whole army deploys at once, so I wouldn't be surprised if deployment as a unit or deployment as a whole choice wasn't even mentioned.

Biophysic wrote:Well, in 5th edition, it's not a rule anyway, your whole army deploys at once, so I wouldn't be surprised if deployment as a unit or deployment as a whole choice wasn't even mentioned.

Go ahead and read the Deployment rules for Dawn of War.

I'll wait.

Are we pretty sure about Chenkov's next wave special rule? As I understand it, he can remove the conscripts at any time and then walk them back on the board at full strength.

Does that mean that you could string a 50-man conscript unit in front of your gunline, have them eat a nob biker unit's assault, then after pile-in moves just remove them so your whole army can shoot the clumped-up bikes?

EDIT: bad example. I doubt conscipts would stay for consolidation at all lol. The question is if I can remove them even when in combat with an enemy unit so that I can shoot it. (Also, if that enemy unit is within 12" of my board edge, could my respawned conscipts charge it again after my shooting and repeat the whole process?

is the platoon drill confirmed? (ig squads provide a 4+ cover save to friendly units behind them but enemy units dont get one if you fire through you own squad)

Wehrkind wrote:

JB wrote:

migsula wrote:

Wehrkind wrote:
I just really want to find some people in the fetal position to go in little jars now... I am digging that idea

Totally W! Looking forward to seeing what you come up with.

I have an idea for legion psykers too

You could simply convert the basic Cadian Shock Trooper models into the Mentor and Psykers since all of them have flak armor saves (5+). Their basic load of a laspistol and CCW is already included on the sprues though you could raid the new command sprues as well.

I would use a bit of GS and different heads. I think some arm respositioning would also be in order. I may try this out this weekend and post some pictures.

We... could... yes... but... Hi, have we met? This is Migsula, he makes tiny gods from dust and wind. I am Wehrkind, I... well don't, but I have been known to do a mean kit bash Nice to meet you

I dunno, maybe after reading the fluff I will go a different route, but as I understand it now, one lead psyker using the others as batteries, it just screams for a crazy looking unit.

Though 8 hooded monks with heads bowed attached by chain/cabling to a lightning rod of a "mentor" whom they use to focus their abilities through would be cool too. Man, there are just so many good ways to go with this unit!

Pleased to meet you, Wehrkind. I think we can both agree that no two units of these psykers should look alike. I look forward to seeing a great variety of them in progress over the next month or so. Please post photos!

As for the Mentor channeling the squad's powers, I'm not sure that he is the right guy. I imagined him more as the "herder" for the squad so he doesn't count as a psyker. Perhaps middle could clarify the Mentor's role for us. I noticed on Warseer that the Mentor kills D3 of the psykers if they suffer from Perils of the Warp.

I'm pretty sure platoon drill is de-confirmed, replaced by the platoon blob system.