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Elric of Grans wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:the flying land raider

My immediate thoughts when I read that:

Land Raider Cheesius - 250 points
Vehicle (Fast, Skimmer, Tank)
AV: F14 S14 B14
Hull-Mounted Twin-Linked Battle Cannons, Pintle-Mounted Demolisher Cannon, Two Sponsoon-Mounted Chem Cannons, Smoke Launchers, Searchlights, and a Power Fist on a chain.
Transport Capacity: 12, or 6 in Terminator Armour.
Power of the Machine Spirit, Assault Vehicle.

OK THAT IS A WIN!

Dysartes wrote:When did Witchhunters get a second codex, efarrer? I assume you're not referring to Codex: Sisters of Battle from 2nd edition as one of them?

Of course I am.

Excluding the Inquistion specific units ( Inquisitors assassins and bombardments) the remaining units are ecclesiastic in nature. Why would you not include the SoB codex?

efarrer wrote:

Dysartes wrote:When did Witchhunters get a second codex, efarrer? I assume you're not referring to Codex: Sisters of Battle from 2nd edition as one of them?

Of course I am.

Excluding the Inquistion specific units ( Inquisitors assassins and bombardments) the remaining units are ecclesiastic in nature. Why would you not include the SoB codex?

Technically,you're right. However,2nd was a drastically different rules set from 3rd,where GW introduced the concept of 'dexes from previous editions being able to be played in the new editions. Since that concept has been introduced,WH,DH,have had 1 codex.

efarrer wrote:

Dysartes wrote:When did Witchhunters get a second codex, efarrer? I assume you're not referring to Codex: Sisters of Battle from 2nd edition as one of them?

Of course I am.

Excluding the Inquistion specific units ( Inquisitors assassins and bombardments) the remaining units are ecclesiastic in nature. Why would you not include the SoB codex?

Because the assumption when talking about an army being on its 1st/2nd/3rd/15th codex is that it refers to books compatible with 3rd edition and onwards, due to the compatibility of the last 3 editions. A book from 1st or 2nd edition is only really useful for paint schemes and background these days, whereas (in a friendly game) there'd be nothing stopping you from using the original 3rd ed codex for Space Marines (as an example) - it just would be far less optimal than using the current book.

Dysartes wrote:
Because the assumption when talking about an army being on its 1st/2nd/3rd/15th codex is that it refers to books compatible with 3rd edition and onwards, due to the compatibility of the last 3 editions. A book from 1st or 2nd edition is only really useful for paint schemes and background these days, whereas (in a friendly game) there'd be nothing stopping you from using the original 3rd ed codex for Space Marines (as an example) - it just would be far less optimal than using the current book.

It might be your assumption, and had it been stated as such you would have been correct. However what was stated did not have that assumption (which is not mine having played since the middle of 2nd edition).
What was stated was that it was the first Witch Hunters codex, more or less correct (but the army had previously been operating under a different name and a codex had previously been released for it). On the other hand, the other examples listed truly were on their first codex DE and Necrons).

Elric of Grans wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:the flying land raider

My immediate thoughts when I read that:

Land Raider Cheesius - 250 points
Vehicle (Fast, Skimmer, Tank)
AV: F14 S14 B14
Hull-Mounted Twin-Linked Battle Cannons, Pintle-Mounted Demolisher Cannon, Two Sponsoon-Mounted Chem Cannons, Smoke Launchers, Searchlights, and a Power Fist on a chain.
Transport Capacity: 12, or 6 in Terminator Armour.
Power of the Machine Spirit, Assault Vehicle.

The story I heard for the Tantalizing Flying Land Raider was 14 front, 12 sides, lots of assault cannons.

So not that different from your idea

iN MY OPINION THE BT'S REALLY NEED A NEW CODEX BECAUSE THE RULES AND VOWS DONT COHERE WITH THE NEW RULEBOOK PROPERLY ALSO THE TOMB KINGS AND BRETTONIA (BECAUSE THEY CAME OUT AGES AGO AND NEED UPDATING)
SORRY FOR THIS POST BEING IN CAPITALS BUT MY CAPS LOCK IS STUCK ON THE KEYBOARD

Just like a Black Templar to be yelling about everything.

efarrer wrote:

Dysartes wrote:
Because the assumption when talking about an army being on its 1st/2nd/3rd/15th codex is that it refers to books compatible with 3rd edition and onwards, due to the compatibility of the last 3 editions. A book from 1st or 2nd edition is only really useful for paint schemes and background these days, whereas (in a friendly game) there'd be nothing stopping you from using the original 3rd ed codex for Space Marines (as an example) - it just would be far less optimal than using the current book.

It might be your assumption, and had it been stated as such you would have been correct. However what was stated did not have that assumption (which is not mine having played since the middle of 2nd edition).
What was stated was that it was the first Witch Hunters codex, more or less correct (but the army had previously been operating under a different name and a codex had previously been released for it). On the other hand, the other examples listed truly were on their first codex DE and Necrons).

Well,if you want to argue technicality and what was written,then you're wrong,as WH are not SoB. They include SoB within their army list,but you can build a WH army without using any SoB at all. Your argument is akin to saying DE are on their 3rd codex,as there was their original 3rd edition 'dex,the revised edition with the Chapter Approved rules added in,and there was the Lost and the Damned list out of the Eye of Terror book that included DE units. It would also be like saying BT are on their 4th or 5th codex,because they were simply run out of Codex:Space Marines before they got their own army list in Armaggeddon.

Stephen Bond wrote:iN MY OPINION THE BT'S REALLY NEED A NEW CODEX BECAUSE THE RULES AND VOWS DONT COHERE WITH THE NEW RULEBOOK PROPERLY ALSO THE TOMB KINGS AND BRETTONIA (BECAUSE THEY CAME OUT AGES AGO AND NEED UPDATING)
SORRY FOR THIS POST BEING IN CAPITALS BUT MY CAPS LOCK IS STUCK ON THE KEYBOARD

Shift key helps.

The simple fact that the DH and WH books have disappeared from the GW site gives a good indication that they are the next to be released. As to whether it will be a combined codex or two different codices is yet to be seen. The rulebook lists them as the "Forces of the Imperium" whereas the older rulebooks list them as WH and DH.

There's rumors swirling about what else might be happening but the fact that things are disappearing gives good indication. How long until it happens is what I'm concerned about.

Actually, in 2E and early 3E, they were GK, Assassins, Ecclesiarchy, & Inq. were Forces of the Imperium.

In 4E, they became WH / DH to support the stupid Inq game.

In 5E, GW lumped them both under "Inquisition".

I'm hoping for 2 books, as Sisters are so different from regular Inq.

JohnHwangDD wrote:Actually, in 2E and early 3E, they were GK, Assassins, Ecclesiarchy, & Inq. were Forces of the Imperium.

In 4E, they became WH / DH to support the stupid Inq game.

In 5E, GW lumped them both under "Inquisition".

I'm hoping for 2 books, as Sisters are so different from regular Inq.

According to the 2nd edition IG codex there was going to be an Agents of the Imperium Codex.



So I guess that along with the Squats is latest codex so far

Yeah, I've got it in writing that C: Squats is coming, too.

Stephen Bond wrote:iN MY OPINION THE BT'S REALLY NEED A NEW CODEX BECAUSE THE RULES AND VOWS DONT COHERE WITH THE NEW RULEBOOK PROPERLY ALSO THE TOMB KINGS AND BRETTONIA (BECAUSE THEY CAME OUT AGES AGO AND NEED UPDATING)
SORRY FOR THIS POST BEING IN CAPITALS BUT MY CAPS LOCK IS STUCK ON THE KEYBOARD

You know if you hold shift while typing in caps lock, whatever you type goes to lower case. Please consider this before making another eyesore of a capslock post.

I got it straight from Mr Ed that Squats are coming in September and will feature four new plastic kits, five metals and will be a bumper 200 page Codex. It came down the vine to me that there would be a chapter explaining how the Squats were dumped by the Nids on the next planet as `Indigestible Garbage' and they have rebuilt their civilisation from the ground up. Similar to Codex: Tau Empires, Codex: Squats will include auxiliary forces, such as Genestealer Hybrids (also dumped on the same planet) and Pan Fo (the Squats met them looking for a new source of fuel to run their bikes). One of my contacts reliably informs me that Forge World will be coming in on this release with a new resin for `something awesome'. My understanding is that this will make the Vendetta look like a tandem bike.

Elric of Grans wrote:I got it straight from Mr Ed that Squats are coming in September and will feature four new plastic kits, five metals and will be a bumper 200 page Codex. It came down the vine to me that there would be a chapter explaining how the Squats were dumped by the Nids on the next planet as `Indigestible Garbage' and they have rebuilt their civilisation from the ground up. Similar to Codex: Tau Empires, Codex: Squats will include auxiliary forces, such as Genestealer Hybrids (also dumped on the same planet) and Pan Fo (the Squats met them looking for a new source of fuel to run their bikes). One of my contacts reliably informs me that Forge World will be coming in on this release with a new resin for `something awesome'. My understanding is that this will make the Vendetta look like a tandem bike.

UPDATE:
Jes Goodwin personally sent me some of his concept art for the new Squats. Here's his drawing of a Great Thane:

I've been talking to a few of the guys at the local store and like several people have already said the SoB boxes have been removed from sale. They were hinting at a possible release for the Inquisition codex in the near future along with multipart SoB squads, Deathwatch squads and possibly Plastic Grey Knights as well. Obviously just conjecture atm but if anyone has heard similar would love to see what they've heard.

JohnHwangDD wrote:I'm hoping for 2 books, as Sisters are so different from regular Inq.

What I find odd is that you hold onto this notion for grim death like it was immutable law yet GW has no problem with changing things, and you have no problem with things changing unless it's your precious Sisters.

Face it Jonny, there a Chamber Militant now... until GW changes them again... and again... and again.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

I'm hoping for 2 books, as Sisters are so different from regular Inq.

What I gathered from the guys I talked to was that SoB were going to remain as part of a larger Inquistion Codex. Only later were they going to divide the Inquistion back into DH and WH. They were also talking about the allies system allowing Inquisitors access to SM and IG squads to represent them seconding troops for missions. Again all conjecture and I apologise if I misunderstood them.

If we see a mixed DH/WH Inquisition book, what are the odds that we will see the return of the Deathwatch in there too?

Codex: Unexpected, because nobody expects the Inquisition!

JohnHwangDD wrote:Yeah, I've got it in writing that C: Squats is coming, too.

Any day now I understand.

And since they've been working on them since 1995 it will be the best codex EVAH!

(that's it, now they have to send the Storm Troopers to kick down my door)

I spoke to a few guys from Games Workshop at the weekend, the did mention DH/WH were due out soon, as they have been withdrawn from Stock/Website. As posted above there seems to be an indication about them being used more of as a allied army. After that its purely guess work, but Im hoping BT's

Dackota wrote:I spoke to a few guys from Games Workshop at the weekend. They are expecting DaemonHunters out fairly soon (the codex has been withdrawn from stores/website) and possibly BT's before the end of the year.

Huh, how about that.

How about: joint =][= release, Deathwatch are the new "black marines" and we get rid of BT entirely so a freaking non-Imperial race can get a codex.

If we go Inquisition into BT that would be stupid. 6 Imperial codices and one xeno codex.

Ostrakon wrote:

Huh, how about that.

How about: joint =][= release, Deathwatch are the new "black marines" and we get rid of BT entirely so a freaking non-Imperial race can get a codex.

If we go Inquisition into BT that would be stupid. 6 Imperial codices and one xeno codex.

Naw, then those 12 year olds fleecing mommy and daddy for cash to build a spehs mahreen army would be missing out...and we can't have that now, can we? I mean, you don't want some 12 year olds to cry do you? You big meanie.

Ostrakon wrote:
Huh, how about that.

How about: joint =][= release, Deathwatch are the new "black marines" and we get rid of BT entirely so a freaking non-Imperial race can get a codex.

If we go Inquisition into BT that would be stupid. 6 Imperial codices and one xeno codex.

Sorry, I edited my post, IM hoping for a BT codex, GW didnt intimate there was one, they just suggested DH/WH would be out sometime around summer.

Fateweaver wrote:I'd like to see Codex: Whiny Nerds.

Codex: Rules Lawyers would be a good one as well.

Unfortunately, since Codex: Contributes Nothing to Threads, Ever is delayed, some posters will have to stick with the WD minidex version.

Back on topic, it occurs to me that GW might be hesitant to release Necrons and DE in the same year or in a short timeframe. You'd think they'd want to split them up, almost certainly with at least one SM release in between. Given the creative minds behind DE, I imagine it'll be full of winsauce. However, it's hardly a "sure thing" saleswise. And Necrons might be in the same category. When they were the powergaming army of choice they had a big following, but they've fallen very, very far since.

I'm not very thrilled at the prospect of having 5 out of the first 6 Codexes this edition be Imperials. Here's hoping for DE or Necrons or even Tau.

I hope we get three xenos in row, but going by GW's history...