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What the...?!?

What are you talking about?

And why are you typing it in red?

Alpharius wrote:What the...?!?

What are you talking about?

And why are you typing it in red?

He's either trying to go faster or angry.

IdentifyZero wrote:

Alpharius wrote:What the...?!?

What are you talking about?

And why are you typing it in red?

He's either trying to go faster or angry.

Was it really that hard to see?
I quoted Alpharius's post , then I saw I was quoting within a quote of someone that Alpharius dont want me to speak to.
So I edited that part out so I can still discuss what he quoted, without involving the other person.

But I see even that will bring issues, so I stayed silent :')

You should of just said ,because it make you type fasta
(that was hilarious BTW)

Here is what I think,they know the Horus Heresy is a cash cow a goldmine if you will.
Why do they need to mine it when GW is going to have a hell of a year already(6th,Starter,Paints)
Remember FW is part of GW when it come to financing and profits.
They will save the Horus Heresy for either a slow year or to coincide with the final Heresy novels when they cover the Siege.
Have a year of Heresy kind of deal.

Orrrrrr they are all just Artists with no concept of money(it's all about the art,mannnnnn,screw Horus Heresy I'm making the Hayes Heresy)


LMAO That is the name for these models the"Hayes Heresy"

Do us all a favor and lay off the red text Luna, leave that to the Mods, if you can't get your point across without resorting to blazing colors then maybe your point needs to be re-stated, or, people simply disagree and have moved on. Either way, it is only disruptive and distracting from your actual message to frame it in red. First thing people think: 'What? She's not a Mod? Why did she do that?

Now, to everyone myself included

Eisenhorn wrote:You should of just said ,because it make you type fasta

Oh that part.

No because I was in Theme Classic Grey-Gold, and I usually type in this color when the background is dark.
As much as I love Cyan / Aquamarine color, lots of people cant see it clearly so I change it to red.

But if that is offensive, no worries I switched back to Work Safe Green White.


Sorry for been offensive with red everyone!

To be fair Tom, I never realized red was reserved for mods, but now that I know, I'll remember it in the future.

apologizing for something like this.... sigh....

I like them.

I love them--I think that it fits the name (and the style of their Contemptors). I'm sure the third party guys are happy too--they can continue to produce shoulder pads for more 'visions of heresy' terminators.

But does'nt having third party parts make them not game legal?

Eisenhorn wrote:But does'nt having third party parts make them not game legal?

Only if you play in Ard Boyz or GW sanctioned tournaments

*troll face*

and Ard Boyz is S canned
Groovy as long as I can change the head and slap on some regular arms with Max Mni strappy pads and a topknot and your good to go.
A much better base to start a PH termie off of.

I'd be interested to see how they look with standard terminator arms and with normal terminator shoulder pads. Could look interesting, or could look like crap.

I for one love the new Contemptor style'd terminators. Already pre-ordered.

Alpharius wrote:I do see them doing it rather soon, mainly because it is the best looking suit on that list!

And that's personal opinion as I think it's possibly the worst looking armour on that list
I have fond memories of the Mk2 turtle back armour, even though the head is surgically embedded into the poor guy's chest.

They are also MUCH cheaper than $AUS price for normal termies.

They seem like they have borrowed the legs from the tin man from the wizard of oz

Do I like these? Certainly not......I expect a lot better than this from forgeworld, especially when it comes to something as cool as termies

I like them

Alpharius wrote:And from wishlisting and fanbase wants come many, many sales.

From weird MKIV + Terminator armor matings come... significantly fewer sales!

Agree with this completely. My guess, they release this first, the 'early adopters' (who buy every new FW release) will get it. Then, 6 months down the road we get a proper Catephracti suit which they surely must know is what the fans want.

Knowing the most design is done using CAD these days, looking at these I would say they are a simple re-design of the Contemptor Dreadnought scaled down. Certainly, a much much easier job than making something like this in detail:



There are already a load of 3rd party Cataphract shoulder pads available, and TBH most Pre-Heresy conversions I have seen look a lot more characterful than this latest FW sculpt.

I must be the only person who's never ever been bothered by the proportions (or physical realism) of Marines.

[EDIT]: I removed redundant redundancies that I removed...

H.B.M.C. wrote:I must be the only person who's never ever been bothered by the proportions (or physical realism) of Marine proportions.

You too?

I'm going to say it... I hate the Cataphracti pattern terminator armor. Given a marines stature... ther shoulder pads on those Cataphracti armor are over 6ft wide and they really don't improve the protection of the armor. I'm not a fan of the Tartaros pattern terminator armour minis, largely because of posing, but the composition at least makes sense. While the Tartaros isn't among the Horus Heresey artwork, its important to remember that the artwork shows other patterns of terminator beyond just the Cataphracti, so its a bit of a false assumption that it should represent the Heresey.

The Tartaros pattern terminator armour I think is a throw back to the 3 proto-terminator armor figures. I think there are neat little bits of detail, like the bolters or how the flamer is meant to be remeniscent of the horizontal Heavy Flamers terminators used to carry. In the fluff, it was said the helmet design for Mk4 power armor came from developements on terminator armor, so its neat to see that come through.

I think the main weakness of the Tartaros pattern is that it looks like extra bulky Power Armor rather than terminator armor.

aka_mythos wrote:I'm going to say it... I hate the Cataphracti pattern terminator armor.

And a lot of people really dislike the original Land Raider. They still made that.

To me the Cataphracti armour does represent the Heresy (or Great Crusade). I'm not say that's all we see, but we certainly see it more than other types, and it would be a shame not to release that type of armour as a model kit. I know I'd get a set to make into a Command Squad for a Cataphracti-style commander, and I don't need any more Terminators (I've got about 15 Chaos and 15 Loyalist ones still unbuilt!!!).

I'd hate to think that these plus-sized Space Marines are all we're going to see of Pre-Heresy Terminator armour.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I must be the only person who's never ever been bothered by the proportions (or physical realism) of Marines.

I used to be bothered by the wide crotch of the newest plastic Termies but I got over that quickly enough. Now it's the pear shape of these guys that's making me giggle. Oh, the partical tactical backpack looks out of place as well.

I'm not impressed. If they had created a style somewhere in between this and the regular armour it would have interested me... like the armour on Asterion Moloc!

Personally, I like them alot more than the modern Termies, I like the sleaker design. Reminds me of the Contemptor dread who's design I absolutly love.

I like them ..... with a bit of mod werk perfect fer mah Night Lords

Breotan wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:I must be the only person who's never ever been bothered by the proportions (or physical realism) of Marines.

I used to be bothered by the wide crotch of the newest plastic Termies but I got over that quickly enough. Now it's the pear shape of these guys that's making me giggle. Oh, the partical tactical backpack looks out of place as well.

I remember someone had to point out the silly bow-legged stance of the old Reaver Titans from Epic before I saw it. When I did I noticed that it was silly, but up until that point my opinion was "Cool giant robot thing!!!". Apparently I'm six years old...

H.B.M.C. wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:I'm going to say it... I hate the Cataphracti pattern terminator armor.

And a lot of people really dislike the original Land Raider. They still made that.

To me the Cataphracti armour does represent the Heresy (or Great Crusade). I'm not say that's all we see, but we certainly see it more than other types, and it would be a shame not to release that type of armour as a model kit. I know I'd get a set to make into a Command Squad for a Cataphracti-style commander, and I don't need any more Terminators (I've got about 15 Chaos and 15 Loyalist ones still unbuilt!!!).

I'd hate to think that these plus-sized Space Marines are all we're going to see of Pre-Heresy Terminator armour.

I like the retro Land Raider, as I defeneded it then, its more practical than the modern one... even if it isn't "realistic." My issue is that I think the aesthetics of the Cataphracti are weak. I've made my preferences for the first two patterns of Proto-terminator armor clear. I think that FW point is valid: there are many patterns of terminator armor and that this is just one pattern of terminator armor; to me that sentiment implies they'll do others. I want them to make Cataphracti, even though they aren't my preference, just because people want them. Like you, I don't need terminators; I've got too many, built and unbuilt.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Breotan wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:I must be the only person who's never ever been bothered by the proportions (or physical realism) of Marines.

I used to be bothered by the wide crotch of the newest plastic Termies but I got over that quickly enough. Now it's the pear shape of these guys that's making me giggle. Oh, the partical tactical backpack looks out of place as well.

I remember someone had to point out the silly bow-legged stance of the old Reaver Titans from Epic before I saw it. When I did I noticed that it was silly, but up until that point my opinion was "Cool giant robot thing!!!". Apparently I'm six years old...

Is that a menthal age?

the reason they look werid is that the torso is contempor pattern but the legs are maximus pattern and the helmet. compare a maximus marine and you'll see the similarity. They're obviously supposed to be pre heresy due to the era of the armour as maximus is pre heresy.

I really like them but the poses are a bit...off. That is what I don't particullarly like. Maybe it's just how they've been put together by someone but they look off. Can't complain about the price either tbh. Not bad for FW.