Forgeworld Tartaros pattern Terminator armour

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**TyraelVladinhurst**

IdentifyZero wrote:
Alpharius wrote:I really wanted to like these...

We all knew FW would be doing Terminator armor variants at some point.

I was hoping for something closer to this though:

Still holding out hope for something along those lines to be released eventually.

I do like the Heavy Flamer variant though!

I agree, those would have been much cooler. Next year.

i doubt next year, it only took FW 6 months to put out all the old armor marks so my guess would be 7 to 8 months tops

**OverwatchCNC**

Alpharius wrote:I really wanted to like these...

We all knew FW would be doing Terminator armor variants at some point.

I was hoping for something closer to this though:

Still holding out hope for something along those lines to be released eventually.

I do like the Heavy Flamer variant though!

You'd want them to have the correct number of fingers though... Right?

**insaniak**

I'm a little undecided on these. I like the idea of scaling down the Comtemptor... but if these are supposed to be more mobile than regular terminators, why do half of them look like they are in the process of losing their balance?

The legs need some re-posing, and the back of the armour looks like it has been cobbled together from spare parts.

I do like the torso, and it's a little more apparent on these guys that the head is sitting about the shoulders, rather than coming out the front of the chest like on regular Termies.

**Kanluwen**

TyraelVladinHurst wrote:i doubt next year, it only took FW 6 months to put out all the old armor marks so my guess would be 7 to 8 months tops

The problem is that relies upon the assumption of Forge World wanting to release models based upon that artwork.

They likely knew the reaction to these models would be far, far, far less than favorable--but they did it anyways.

But here's a few rather choice statements from FW's Facebook page:

Forge World wrote:Cataphractii-pattern armour fell out of use during the Horus Heresy, Martin.

Forge World wrote:‎Dimosthenis - Terminator armour doesn;t have quite the same mark progression as power armour; effectively several patterns were designed at broadly the same time and some are more common than others.

**ghosty**

I dunno how I feel about these if I'm honest. I like the whole 'Contemptor' look they have going on about them, and I think their power packs on the armour is kinda nice, but they really don't scream 'Terminator' at me. I know they're supposed to be a lighter more mobile variant, but I think they've lost what was quintessentially 'Terminator' in the process. I really can't make my mind up about them, but I can't see myself buying some.

**BlapBlapBlap**

ph34r wrote:The kit includes the "never include" option of heavy flamer, so in reality this kit contains 4 full terminators.

Or you could do some conversions to make it work?

**MightyGodzilla**

Forge World Open Day, 1st April, Warhammer World, Nottingham [\quote]
People get to Forge World on Open Day only to find them gone to the Bahamas for a week. Happy April 1!!!!

But on the subject of the new Termies, I kinda like them. Not 100% in love, but there are definitely some nods I appreciate. I like the old pattern bolter design for the storm bolters and part of the Mark IV power plant design on the back. Some of it definitely looks newer than older to me - like the manueverability granted by the reduced shoulderplates.

I could see buying a few of these, but not really mixing them with the regular Deathwing terminators I've already got. If I were to start up a new chapter, maybe then....Or maybe if I ran them alongside a contemptor dread. Anyways kudos to FW.

**Vampirate of Sartosa**

Forge World wrote:‎Dimosthenis - Terminator armour doesn;t have quite the same mark progression as power armour; effectively several patterns were designed at broadly the same time and some are more common than others.

...Explaining "Pattern" rather than "Mark".

Forge World wrote:Cataphractii-pattern armour fell out of use during the Horus Heresy, Martin.

Which I would venture to be the chunky, claw-handed, Dreadnought-leg-shoulderpad Terminator armour.

**gorgon**

That pic above (Cataphractii-pattern?) is pretty clearly from the Unification Wars time period and the Terminator equivalent of Mk.1 Thunder Armor. I'm guessing FW isn't ready to deal with that time period yet, if at all. Although if they did, I'd basically hand them my wallet.

**sennacherib**

Every now and again forgeworld fails to impress. Now is one of those times. Seems like the more recent space marine stuff has been pretty lackluster and these are no exception.
The legs look to static and i am not a fan of the overall contemptor pattern look that they have. I will not be buying these.

**CURNOW**

i love them ,,hope the heads are seperate tho ?

**Perkustin**

Do want. Just placing an order...... One of the pairs of legs looks a little goofy but i'll live with it. Gotta say their Backs are tres Smexy.

**fire4effekt**

Usually ForgeWorld has amazing miniatures. Not this time. Not this time...

**endtransmission**

Vampirate of Sartosa wrote:
Forge World wrote:‎Dimosthenis - Terminator armour doesn;t have quite the same mark progression as power armour; effectively several patterns were designed at broadly the same time and some are more common than others.

...Explaining "Pattern" rather than "Mark".

Mark indicates an iterative design process, which we can see in the power armour as they identify an issue and modify the armour to counter the issue.

Pattern indicates a different strain or branch of the design process where another (in this case) forge world got the same initial briefing, but came up with their own ideas on how to produce TDA, rather than amending a prior design.

Taking it into today's market a Mark would be the iPhone 1/2/3/4/4S etc.
Pattern is something akin to iPhone vs Android vs Blackberry. they all do pretty much the same thing, but it's someone else's take on the idea.

**Eldar Craft**

I like them. I know that they are what some people expect from a prototype terminator, but I the proportions are believable. I like. The helmets are cool and I like the not overly large shoulder pads. To qualify my bias I have always hated the terminator bull dog bulldog helmets and thought many space marine models look stubby. This is obviously (as has been stated) forgeworld running with the contemptor idea, so at least there's a consistent look. I imagine i you like contemptors you will likely(not certainly) like these. In short I may have to pick some up they seem like they'd be fun to pain.

**Alpharius**

Kanluwen wrote:
TyraelVladinHurst wrote:i doubt next year, it only took FW 6 months to put out all the old armor marks so my guess would be 7 to 8 months tops

The problem is that relies upon the assumption of Forge World wanting to release models based upon that artwork.

They likely knew the reaction to these models would be far, far, far less than favorable--but they did it anyways.

But here's a few rather choice statements from FW's Facebook page:

Forge World wrote:Cataphractii-pattern armour fell out of use during the Horus Heresy, Martin.

Forge World wrote:‎Dimosthenis - Terminator armour doesn;t have quite the same mark progression as power armour; effectively several patterns were designed at broadly the same time and some are more common than others.

Lots of weird "reasoning" in many of those statements...

As for the Cataphract style of terminator armor "going out of style" is odd as it is almost exclusively the style of armor we've been shown in the artwork to date.

And releasing stuff they know would be roundly disliked?

Huh?

**Kanluwen**

Alpharius wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
TyraelVladinHurst wrote:i doubt next year, it only took FW 6 months to put out all the old armor marks so my guess would be 7 to 8 months tops

The problem is that relies upon the assumption of Forge World wanting to release models based upon that artwork.

They likely knew the reaction to these models would be far, far, far less than favorable--but they did it anyways.

But here's a few rather choice statements from FW's Facebook page:

Forge World wrote:Cataphractii-pattern armour fell out of use during the Horus Heresy, Martin.

Forge World wrote:‎Dimosthenis - Terminator armour doesn;t have quite the same mark progression as power armour; effectively several patterns were designed at broadly the same time and some are more common than others.

Lots of weird "reasoning" in many of those statements...

As for the Cataphract style of terminator armor "going out of style" is odd as it is almost exclusively the style of armor we've been shown in the artwork to date.

Something "falling out of use" doesn't mean that it is guaranteed to be replaced across the board, Alpharius!

And releasing stuff they know would be roundly disliked?

Huh?

Forge World's sculptors do what they want to do; not what we want them to do.

Trust me--I've been trying to get them to do something and keep getting told "no"!

**LunaHound**

I love them, they look a step closer to Starcraft Terran Marine design, especially the shoulder and head area

yayyyyyyyy

Kanluwen wrote:Trust me--I've been trying to get them to do something and keep getting told "no"!

Thats usually the case, unless you can guarantee them that you'll buy all the production of the said idea.

**Eisenhorn**

Vampirate of Sartosa wrote:
Forge World wrote:‎Dimosthenis - Terminator armour doesn;t have quite the same mark progression as power armour; effectively several patterns were designed at broadly the same time and some are more common than others.

...Explaining "Pattern" rather than "Mark".

Forge World wrote:Cataphractii-pattern armour fell out of use during the Horus Heresy, Martin.

Which I would venture to be the chunky, claw-handed, Dreadnought-leg-shoulderpad Terminator armour.

My guess is ever since FW came out with the Badab War books it shows me they are not against going backward in the timeline.
Every Horus Heresy book hits NY Times Bestseller list,the era has its fans.
I would bet they are saving Cataphracti for the envitable IA Horus Heresy book
If they do not make that book it is 100% out of spite

**master of asgard**

I think these look great. The GW ones look proper goofy in comparison IMO. They almost make me want to start an all FW army with those, lots of pre-heresy marines and vehicles and a contemptor.

**MeanGreenStompa**

gorgon wrote:I dunno...if you squint a bit, you can see some similarities with the old mk.1 miniature. Kind of...

If they made this as a multi part kit for a squad...

Well, I might even reconsider my veto of MEQ.

**azazel the cat**

I gotta say, I'm not really a fan of these humpty-dumpty terminators.

**Alpharius**

Eisenhorn wrote:
My guess is ever since FW came out with the Badab War books it shows me they are not against going backward in the timeline.
Every Horus Heresy book hits NY Times Bestseller list,the era has its fans.
I would bet they are saving Cataphracti for the envitable IA Horus Heresy book
If they do not make that book it is 100% out of spite

I don't know if they'll ever make an IA: HH book, but given Kan's comments earlier about FW's process ("We'll make what we want to make, when we want to make it!"), I'd say your "Spite" comment might be spot on!

**Kanluwen**

Alpharius wrote:
Eisenhorn wrote:
My guess is ever since FW came out with the Badab War books it shows me they are not against going backward in the timeline.
Every Horus Heresy book hits NY Times Bestseller list,the era has its fans.
I would bet they are saving Cataphracti for the envitable IA Horus Heresy book
If they do not make that book it is 100% out of spite

I don't know if they'll ever make an IA: HH book, but given Kan's comments earlier about FW's process ("We'll make what we want to make, when we want to make it!"), I'd say your "Spite" comment might be spot on!

I'm kind of confused about his "they are not against going backward in the timeline" comment. The reason we saw all those armor kits wasn't necessarily because the Badab War was "a long time ago"(it wasn't, it was actually fairly recent in terms of the timeline. The "war" proper lasted from 904.M41 to 912.M41), but because of the focus on several Chapters which had inherited relics and a Chapter(the Carcharodons) which is suspected to have been sent outward shortly after the Heresy.

That said, "spite" might not be the right comment. It might simply be a clash of vision between the sculptors and the fanbase.
It might be that this is what they've decided they want to showcase, rather than the Cataphracti variant.

**Commander Cain**

I don't see FW doing cataphracti armour any time soon, it simply does not fit in with any of the IA books due to that specific patter being so old. That being said, all the other marks look very odd and would need some serious tweaks before I would consider buying them!

(link to termie armour patterns)

http://www.tearsofenvy.com/termi-nation/armour_home.htm

**Alpharius**

Kanluwen wrote:

That said, "spite" might not be the right comment. It might simply be a clash of vision between the sculptors and the fanbase.
It might be that this is what they've decided they want to showcase, rather than the Cataphracti variant.

Which would suggest a certain disconnect - dare I say spite - with what the fanbase might like to see.

Commander Cain wrote:I don't see FW doing cataphracti armour any time soon, it simply does not fit in with any of the IA books due to that specific patter being so old. That being said, all the other marks look very odd and would need some serious tweaks before I would consider buying them!

(link to termie armour patterns)

http://www.tearsofenvy.com/termi-nation/armour_home.htm

I do see them doing it rather soon, mainly because it is the best looking suit on that list!

And thanks for the link - I lost track of it a while ago!

**Kanluwen**

Alpharius wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:

That said, "spite" might not be the right comment. It might simply be a clash of vision between the sculptors and the fanbase.
It might be that this is what they've decided they want to showcase, rather than the Cataphracti variant.

Which would suggest a certain disconnect - dare I say spite - with what the fanbase might like to see.

Or maybe it's just what Will Hayes wanted to see?

His stuff does seem to be slightly hit or miss, with some of his works being heavily praised and others decried.

**Platuan4th**

Alpharius wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:

That said, "spite" might not be the right comment. It might simply be a clash of vision between the sculptors and the fanbase.
It might be that this is what they've decided they want to showcase, rather than the Cataphracti variant.

Which would suggest a certain disconnect - dare I say spite - with what the fanbase might like to see.

I wouldn't say a disconnect is spiteful, more that they have a plan of things that THEY want to do and it doesn't necessarily line up with what fans wish they would do.

Any assumption that they were going to do Heresy era TDA was just that: an assumption derived from them happening to do different marks of Power Armour(many of which are still in use by both Loyalist and Traitor Chapters/Legions).

Not saying it wasn't a logical assumption, just saying that there was nothing actually suggesting that it would happen besides a huge amount of wish listing.

**Alpharius**

And from wishlisting and fanbase wants come many, many sales.

From weird MKIV + Terminator armor matings come... significantly fewer sales!

**LunaHound**

Alpharius wrote:We'll make what we want to make, when we want to make it!

I disagree with that. FW doesn't need to have certain patterns in what they make.
For one, we might not be clever enough to see the pattern that is laid out infront of us even if they did.

2nd, FW can very well be the protype tests for GW, testing waters on concepts, interests patterns etc etc.

with little to no repercussion, compared to GW