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To all Ultramarine haters - DIE LIKE THE HERETICS YOU ARE!!!

Brother Coa wrote:To all Ultramarine haters - DIE LIKE THE HERETICS YOU ARE!!!

A video showing us artwork of the Ultramarines?
Well i have completly changed my views now...
p.s. This is sarcasm.

some of it wasn't even unltramarines artwork

There was that Raven Guard picture yeah...

Or you could bring back the old tyranid fighting ultras. Give them a bit of personality and it will work wonders.

haloreach4ever wrote:Or you could bring back the old tyranid fighting ultras. Give them a bit of personality and it will work wonders.

No. How about less marine codexes with wacky imbalanced rules and lame new units.

Or just give everyone the same treatment. They're the only of the eighteen legions to get that kind of attention. It's ridiculous.

Yeah! That way every marine army can be flavorless and boring! That's a great idea! /end sarcasm

While I think we could use less marine codices, making all marines the same without even special options is worse.

EDIT: referring to CT Gamer's comment

Elector wrote:Yeah! That way every marine army can be flavorless and boring! That's a great idea! /end sarcasm

While I think we could use less marine codices, making all marines the same without even special options is worse.

EDIT: referring to CT Gamer's comment

I definitely agree with this statement. There needs to be some variations.

We should use source books like LoTR
ie The Imperium, Chaos, Ancient Ones (Eldar/DE/Necrons), Xenos(Tau Ork etc)

maybe if GW did codex's like BA except for other races (you know a codex for the same race but a different chapter) such as a red corsairs chaos codex. or a commander farsight tau codex, or a feral ork dex. I just dont see why space marines should get the extra spin off races and not other races.

haloreach4ever wrote:maybe if GW did codex's like BA except for other races (you know a codex for the same race but a different chapter) such as a red corsairs chaos codex. or a commander farsight tau codex, or a feral ork dex. I just dont see why space marines should get the extra spin off races and not other races.

Wouldn't it just be a Farsight Caste codex?

haloreach4ever wrote:maybe if GW did codex's like BA except for other races (you know a codex for the same race but a different chapter) such as a red corsairs chaos codex. or a commander farsight tau codex, or a feral ork dex. I just dont see why space marines should get the extra spin off races and not other races.

The point of the different marine codeci was that is was supposed to represent different organisational tendencies...
Only BT and SW really fulfill this... BA and DT can be combined into a codex (Angels of Death)
It would be nice if GW let more versatility into codec fluffwise but they seem to be a bit hit and miss with them.

I personaly would love a farsight caste dex, close combat tau ftw!

They aren't grimdark enough.

But then again, I'm a Dark Angel kinda guy...

Well, I the biggest thing I hate about Ultramarines/Ultrasmurfs is that they dont fight in the most important and biggest battles of the Imperium of mankind.
Like Armaggadon.. If that would fall, Holy Terra could be attacked by Orks all the time. But Ultras dont care, 'it aint in their sector'. And well, every1 has a dark side eyh? Except them. Making them impossible. The Dark Angels have their secret, Blood Angles their bloodlust, Space Wolves are primitive for Space Marines, etc.


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Elector wrote:Wouldn't Sanguinius be the most loyal? I know I mention him a lot, but it makes sense, he fought and died so Horus would fall, he never thought of betrayal, he joined the Emperor on sight...what else is there?

For a time, Lorgar would be the most loyal...he worshiped the Emperor (literally).

I really think Sanguinius is the most loyal. He could look into the future trough visions. He knew he would die when facing Horus in Battle and he was wounded. But still he entered and Horus captured him. Trying to let Sanguinius help him. If he wouldnt, they would fight till dead. Sanguinius, who was mortally wounded, and he still rejected to help Horus. He remained loyal to his father, even if this would kill him. But hey, Space Marine-y he is, duty is more important then your life. Well, Sanguinius is the most noble of Primarchs, altough many people dont think so because his bloodlust AND because he was a strong psyker (and scary angelwings, run and hide!)

Elector wrote:Yeah! That way every marine army can be flavorless and boring! That's a great idea! /end sarcasm

While I think we could use less marine codices, making all marines the same without even special options is worse.

EDIT: referring to CT Gamer's comment

I meant either give every chapter the same amount of background and special characters or stop giving the Ulttramarines a reputation for awesomeness they don't deserve.

thenoobbomb wrote:Well, I the biggest thing I hate about Ultramarines/Ultrasmurfs is that they dont fight in the most important and biggest battles of the Imperium of mankind.
Like Armaggadon.. If that would fall, Holy Terra could be attacked by Orks all the time. But Ultras dont care, 'it aint in their sector'. And well, every1 has a dark side eyh? Except them. Making them impossible. The Dark Angels have their secret, Blood Angles their bloodlust, Space Wolves are primitive for Space Marines, etc.

Stopping the first and second major Tyranid hivefleets isn't important? They also fought in the second war for Armaggadon and aren't Space Marines meant to be prefect?


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Durza wrote:stop giving the Ulttramarines a reputation for awesomeness they don't deserve.

They are awesome by the way and I'm not a fan of Ultramarines.

It is important, that deafeating of hivefleats. And I didnt know about the 2nd war on Armaggadon, but on the 3rd they completely didnt.

Yes, Space Marines are meant to be perfect. But what I mean is that all chapters have a downside. Except them. GWS makes the Ultramarines just TOO perfect. They are the ultimate wonders of the Imperium...

Like the Blood Angels, they are doomed, have a dark bloodlust and berserker anger in the. But they make much more victories and have the ultimate heroes. I know Calgar is pretty good and Sicarus is cool, but as example of the Blood Angels i use Mephiston. On the planet of Hollanon, he shredded a Carnifex in piece with bare hands, klled the Hive Brood, and defended an entrance alone for over a week, and never sleeped nor rested during the entire defence.

There are ofcourse wavy more such heroic things of other chapters, but as far as I know not such epic things like these by the Ultramarines.

Mephiston alone is worse than pretty much all of the Ultramarines codex.

Haha.
Ultramarines vs. Mephiston..

after 1 minute..

Mephiston wins!

No, my point is that Ultrasmurfs are seen as the ultimate heroes, but they dont have that much heroes. They have their chief librarian sicarus and calgar.
But the Blood Angels (yes, they again) have for instance Dante, Mephiston, Tycho, the Sanguinor, Astorath, Lemartes, etc.

We don't literally mean they have a lot of Special Characters.
We mean that in the codex it states that every other chapter aspires to be like them barring BT and SW. It even says the Blood Angels aspire to be like Ultramarines.

Well, I do mean that Ultras are seen as the heroes, but dont have that examples ey.

And I do know why they want to be a bit Ultramarine thanks to their stabel gene seed. But still, the poster boys arent that heroic as they are said to be.

No. I really doubt they do.
Each and every chapter is individualistic as a general rule.
None are forced to owe and debts to another chapter.
However, due to their nature Marines venerate their genetic ancestry and come to the aid of their primogenitors when they ask for assistance.

BA have no actual reason to want to be like Ultramarines, it would actually insult the memory of their own primarch. They might want a stable gene-seed but apart from that i doubt they want anything else than to be treated as equals.

Ultramarines are seen as heroes (In universe) because they have won some difficult battlesand some some vaguely heroic stuff. They are disliked by some (IRL) because of the Mary Sue nature of their fluff. It wouldn't be too hard to re-write their fluff to properly cast them as heroes in a dark universe.

Yes. They raped the Ultramarines long ago. They have a cool colour scheme, but that is it. Stupid background!

The background is passable IMO.
I would have done it differently but i don't work for GW so go figure...

Luna Dragon wrote:Stopping the first and second major Tyranid hivefleets isn't important?

Except they didn't. They just sort of sat on the sidelines while real Imperial forces carried the day. Except for the first one, where their Paragon of Incompetence, Calgar, actively sabotaged the defense...

But that does not change the fact that they WERE there helping. And what did Calgar do to "sabotage" it?

forruner_mercy wrote:But that does not change the fact that they WERE there helping. And what did Calgar do to "sabotage" it?

He pulled the entire fleet back and let them land on Macragge...
He then attacked the planet.
This does seem like a stupid idea but i can think of a few reasons why he did it.

He ran his forces into trap after trap and obviously did a worse job than the PDF leaders would have, on account of them routing the Tyranids on the surface after he cut and ran. This becomes apparent when one takes into account that his Marines ran off and died hiding in holes in the ground after he left Macragge, he ran the Naval assets under his command into a trap, only being saved by the Navy at the last second, and the Tyranids were broken on the surface by the time they returned.

It's quite clear that Calgar's only influence on the battle was a negative one, since he was outsmarted by Tyranids of all things.