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CT GAMER wrote:

haloreach4ever wrote:Or you could bring back the old tyranid fighting ultras. Give them a bit of personality and it will work wonders.

No. How about less marine codexes with wacky imbalanced rules and lame new units.

agreed. I want my eldar and a Redone Daemon Hunter Codex.

Yeah, they do focus on the SM a bit much. More Eldar and Tau would be nice. And I think Necrons need a make over.

Hell the Ultra Marines are the best Imperium Space Marine chapter....yes there is fluff and buff. As for them being bunk, no way I face them every week end and there tough. I also stat that they do get Storm Ravens and Thunderhawks just await for the White Dwarf updates. Thinking there weak, remember that most chapters follow there way of thinking and are looked up to. An all out fighting force of....Marines, no fluff......

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:He ran his forces into trap after trap and obviously did a worse job than the PDF leaders would have, on account of them routing the Tyranids on the surface after he cut and ran. This becomes apparent when one takes into account that his Marines ran off and died hiding in holes in the ground after he left Macragge, he ran the Naval assets under his command into a trap, only being saved by the Navy at the last second, and the Tyranids were broken on the surface by the time they returned.

It's quite clear that Calgar's only influence on the battle was a negative one, since he was outsmarted by Tyranids of all things.

Where does it say this because in the Space Marine and Tyranid codexes, it says the opsasite(sp?) of what you wrote in your post. And we all no you hate space marines and come up with bad reasons of why they're bad.

LordWynne wrote: I also stat that they do get Storm Ravens and Thunderhawks just await for the White Dwarf updates.

They wont get Storm Ravens. The Grey Knights use them because they are good, and the Blood Angels can use them only because their relations with Adaptus Mechanicus arent good at all. Ultras are good friends with the Mechanicus, after all. So using them would be very wrong for them. Just the same as saying that Ultramarines get the Baal Predator and Dreadknight.

About the Tunderhawks: dont they have them? I might not know that...

Luna Dragon wrote:

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:He ran his forces into trap after trap and obviously did a worse job than the PDF leaders would have, on account of them routing the Tyranids on the surface after he cut and ran. This becomes apparent when one takes into account that his Marines ran off and died hiding in holes in the ground after he left Macragge, he ran the Naval assets under his command into a trap, only being saved by the Navy at the last second, and the Tyranids were broken on the surface by the time they returned.

It's quite clear that Calgar's only influence on the battle was a negative one, since he was outsmarted by Tyranids of all things.

Where does it say this because in the Space Marine and Tyranid codexes, it says the opsasite(sp?) of what you wrote in your post. And we all no you hate space marines and come up with bad reasons of why they're bad.

That's straight from the Tyranid codex. Repeating "and he's totally awesome and crucial and smart you guys!" doesn't really mean anything when his actions are quite visibly contrary to the praise being lauded upon him.

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:

Luna Dragon wrote:

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:He ran his forces into trap after trap and obviously did a worse job than the PDF leaders would have, on account of them routing the Tyranids on the surface after he cut and ran. This becomes apparent when one takes into account that his Marines ran off and died hiding in holes in the ground after he left Macragge, he ran the Naval assets under his command into a trap, only being saved by the Navy at the last second, and the Tyranids were broken on the surface by the time they returned.

It's quite clear that Calgar's only influence on the battle was a negative one, since he was outsmarted by Tyranids of all things.

Where does it say this because in the Space Marine and Tyranid codexes, it says the opsasite(sp?) of what you wrote in your post. And we all no you hate space marines and come up with bad reasons of why they're bad.

That's straight from the Tyranid codex. Repeating "and he's totally awesome and crucial and smart you guys!" doesn't really mean anything when his actions are quite visibly contrary to the praise being lauded upon him.

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Reds8n

Calm down Luna...

Luna Dragon wrote:opsasite(sp?)

Opposite. It comes from 'oppose' so that's a handy way to remember the spelling.

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:
That's straight from the Tyranid codex. Repeating "and he's totally awesome and crucial and smart you guys!" doesn't really mean anything when his actions are quite visibly contrary to the praise being lauded upon him.

Like Napoleon and Caesar before the Ultramarines claim to fame is having good PR. When they do good they make it sound great. When they do bad it is either someone else's fault or due to some awesome ability of their opponent.

The Ultramarines are not awesome they just keep saying they are. As the old quote goes... “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. " Joseph Goebbels

THAT is the core reason I dislike the Ultramarines. No I do not dislike the space marines but keep shoving down my throat the Robert Guillman is the messiah of the Imperium and I get nauseous.

They are the picture perfect brother everyone has that gets all the credit, you know... The one you hate almost ALL the time. Thats why! I think everyone is just sick of them. I know i am.

Transfixion wrote:They are the picture perfect brother everyone has that gets all the credit, you know... The one you hate almost ALL the time. Thats why! I think everyone is just sick of them. I know i am.

They are the picture perfect big brother that you darn well better give all the credit to or else he will give you a nurple or a swirly or some other derisive act. The ultramarines are the biggest and the best and they let you know it. OR ELSE!!!

thenoobbomb wrote:Haha.
Ultramarines vs. Mephiston..

after 1 minute..

Mephiston wins!

No, my point is that Ultrasmurfs are seen as the ultimate heroes, but they dont have that much heroes. They have their chief librarian sicarus and calgar.
But the Blood Angels (yes, they again) have for instance Dante, Mephiston, Tycho, the Sanguinor, Astorath, Lemartes, etc.

What about Tellion and the Tank guy? ;P

Ahh the tank is just as high and mighty as the rest,
Telion is the only one i have respect for cause he is the only non-egomaniac

Chronus has next to no characterisation so oyu don't really have anything to base that on...
Telion i will agree with you on however.

purplefood wrote:Chronus has next to no characterisation so oyu don't really have anything to base that on...
.

The small bit in the codex does suggest that he is like calgar/sicarus

People like to make fun of the Ultramarines because they are the poster-child of 40k. Because of this most new players take them as a first army (guilty, but at least I switched pretty quick), and anyone who has seen a 40k poster knows only what the Ultramarines look like and nothing else meaning that they only like the Smurfs out of ignorance (its not their fault). So this means that they are synonymous with 'newbdom' as well.

Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:

purplefood wrote:Chronus has next to no characterisation so oyu don't really have anything to base that on...
.

The small bit in the codex does suggest that he is like calgar/sicarus

It says he is a gifted tank commander.
Sicarius is arrogant and Calgar is posibly a bit too proud.
It says nothing about Chronus being either.

The fact that their most famous captain is named after a nickname for one fo the most famous traitors in modern history kinda puts me off them a little bit.

(Sicarius is related to various beliefs about Judas Iscariot and assassination in general...)

Might as well just give his first name as Judas.

hmm in general you don't have to pretend the Ultras are the most awesome. In fact the codex to me sais 'yeh this is our chapter and you can make your own this is a guide'

So why don't people relax a little think a little bit laterally and chill, be happy. Make a nice chapter you like and write the battles you do and stop hating on a template.

My personal chapter are the most undynamic bores of the galaxy. I also have some ultras and think they are quite neat (as expressed earlier).

Henners91 wrote:

thenoobbomb wrote:Haha.
Ultramarines vs. Mephiston..

after 1 minute..

Mephiston wins!

No, my point is that Ultrasmurfs are seen as the ultimate heroes, but they dont have that much heroes. They have their chief librarian sicarus and calgar.
But the Blood Angels (yes, they again) have for instance Dante, Mephiston, Tycho, the Sanguinor, Astorath, Lemartes, etc.

What about Tellion and the Tank guy? ;P

They get chopped in pieces by an angry Mephiston or Death Company member xD
The thing is that that Tellion is n00b because he is old and is a scout (joke)


But hey, that are less uber-smurfs then the BA uber-emos



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DAaddict wrote:

Transfixion wrote:They are the picture perfect brother everyone has that gets all the credit, you know... The one you hate almost ALL the time. Thats why! I think everyone is just sick of them. I know i am.

They are the picture perfect big brother that you darn well better give all the credit to or else he will give you a nurple or a swirly or some other derisive act. The ultramarines are the biggest and the best and they let you know it. OR ELSE!!!

erm...? Perfect? Ultramarines? Didnt you swappe names with Black Templars or Blood Angels?
The only good thing the Ultras did was making a succesor that is cooler then them. They are called 'the Crimson Fists'.
But they have the same logo as the Imperial Fists.

The thing is that that Tellion is n00b because he is old and is a scout (joke)

You just ruined him for me

sorry!

The good thing of him is that he does have hair.
Is he okay now?

There is absolutly nothing inherantly wrong with Ultramarines, at all.

Small, Far Away wrote:They are:

Boring
Unimaginative
Blue
Annoying
Egotistical
Half Smurf, which makes them mutants
And we all need someone to hate and rant at for sadistical entertainment.

Precisely what I thought !
I could not said it better myself.

thenoobbomb wrote:

DAaddict wrote:

Transfixion wrote:They are the picture perfect brother everyone has that gets all the credit, you know... The one you hate almost ALL the time. Thats why! I think everyone is just sick of them. I know i am.

They are the picture perfect big brother that you darn well better give all the credit to or else he will give you a nurple or a swirly or some other derisive act. The ultramarines are the biggest and the best and they let you know it. OR ELSE!!!

erm...? Perfect? Ultramarines? Didnt you swappe names with Black Templars or Blood Angels?
The only good thing the Ultras did was making a succesor that is cooler then them. They are called 'the Crimson Fists'.
But they have the same logo as the Imperial Fists.

Crimson Fists are an Imperial Fist successor...

The fact that they are too perfect, though they have no specialities, like Salamanders with their close combat preferences or the White Scars with their hit and run tactics.

oops!
didnt know that!
Im ashamed now..


Back to the Ultrasmurfs.

Space Wolves and Blood Angels are just as boring, cliched and unimaginative ( look at me, i am different! and so rebellious!, and so mysterious!, and so tragical! i am teenage wish fulfilment! *puke*...).
Still, there are many other chapter, codex adherent or not, which deserve much more spotlight. Scythes of the Emperor, Lamenters, Iron Hands, Black/White Consuls, Silverskulls and many others would all be grateful for a good story or two, especialy the former two which could represent marine chapters without the usual fluffshields.

Im so Glad I use Raven Guard - 1 of the most underused chapters.

Also I can think of anything bad for them.

So Yea im a Raven Guard Fanboy