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im2randomghgh wrote:
pretre wrote:
im2randomghgh wrote:
Dreads are already hugely powerful. Make it fly and it becomes about 2x deadlier. Then give it psychic powers and you've broken a codex.

They need to fix it. This is worse than that whole "Fish o' Fury" thing.

hahahahahaha

Okay, sorry I didn't notice you were pulling my leg until you brought up Fish o' Fury as being broken. I should have known you were joking when you brought up libdreads instead of Meph or Blood Talons, but didn't. Props.


They fixed the fish O' fury, but they used to be tournament-breakingly good.

Then, for the first time ever, GW decided to fix one of it's problems!.

Seriously, before the being stationary made them land thing came into play, extreme heavy weapons were the only way to deal with it. And even then, not very easy to do. 54 str5 shots a turn without being able to assault is just...scary.


I evidently missed something over the past 10 years, which happens a lot come to think of it.

What was the Fish o' Fury?
   
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iproxtaco wrote:
You may be able to make one when the Siters of Battle codex come out, depending on what Inquisition forces they have in it. You could always adapt your own Stormtroopers I think a few people on the forum have done this.
Don't get me started on Draigo. His fluff and the use of Daemonhosts in a Grey Knight army are the two bits I don't like in the Codex.

I can agree with you on that. I rather Have Justicar Alaric as the Supreme Grand Master .
Which would be AWESOME eh?
I want them to write the codex just so they could enter in some of the more well known characters.

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Pouncey wrote:
im2randomghgh wrote:
pretre wrote:
im2randomghgh wrote:
Dreads are already hugely powerful. Make it fly and it becomes about 2x deadlier. Then give it psychic powers and you've broken a codex.

They need to fix it. This is worse than that whole "Fish o' Fury" thing.

hahahahahaha

Okay, sorry I didn't notice you were pulling my leg until you brought up Fish o' Fury as being broken. I should have known you were joking when you brought up libdreads instead of Meph or Blood Talons, but didn't. Props.


They fixed the fish O' fury, but they used to be tournament-breakingly good.

Then, for the first time ever, GW decided to fix one of it's problems!.

Seriously, before the being stationary made them land thing came into play, extreme heavy weapons were the only way to deal with it. And even then, not very easy to do. 54 str5 shots a turn without being able to assault is just...scary.


I evidently missed something over the past 10 years, which happens a lot come to think of it.

What was the Fish o' Fury?


Take two devilfish transports and park them in chevron formation, with the troops hiding behind. The troops can still shoot, and if anyone wants assault, they have to go all the way around the devilfish (one of the largest transports in the game) while having 54 str5 shots a turn flying at them, and they can't assault the fish, cause they're hover craft. for armies with weak AT (necrons tyranids Orks) it was enough to win a battle. I'll find an article about it.

   
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Asherian Command wrote:
iproxtaco wrote:
You may be able to make one when the Siters of Battle codex come out, depending on what Inquisition forces they have in it. You could always adapt your own Stormtroopers I think a few people on the forum have done this.
Don't get me started on Draigo. His fluff and the use of Daemonhosts in a Grey Knight army are the two bits I don't like in the Codex.

I can agree with you on that. I rather Have Justicar Alaric as the Supreme Grand Master .
Which would be AWESOME eh?
I want them to write the codex just so they could enter in some of the more well known characters.


I have plans to convert him as my second Grand Master, it would be pretty fething awesome though.
I just need some special rules to make him stand out.
   
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im2randomghgh wrote:
Pouncey wrote:
im2randomghgh wrote:
pretre wrote:
im2randomghgh wrote:
Dreads are already hugely powerful. Make it fly and it becomes about 2x deadlier. Then give it psychic powers and you've broken a codex.

They need to fix it. This is worse than that whole "Fish o' Fury" thing.

hahahahahaha

Okay, sorry I didn't notice you were pulling my leg until you brought up Fish o' Fury as being broken. I should have known you were joking when you brought up libdreads instead of Meph or Blood Talons, but didn't. Props.


They fixed the fish O' fury, but they used to be tournament-breakingly good.

Then, for the first time ever, GW decided to fix one of it's problems!.

Seriously, before the being stationary made them land thing came into play, extreme heavy weapons were the only way to deal with it. And even then, not very easy to do. 54 str5 shots a turn without being able to assault is just...scary.


I evidently missed something over the past 10 years, which happens a lot come to think of it.

What was the Fish o' Fury?


Take two devilfish transports and park them in chevron formation, with the troops hiding behind. The troops can still shoot, and if anyone wants assault, they have to go all the way around the devilfish (one of the largest transports in the game) while having 54 str5 shots a turn flying at them, and they can't assault the fish, cause they're hover craft. for armies with weak AT (necrons tyranids Orks) it was enough to win a battle. I'll find an article about it.


No, you summed it up pretty well, thanks.
   
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iproxtaco wrote:
Asherian Command wrote:
iproxtaco wrote:
You may be able to make one when the Siters of Battle codex come out, depending on what Inquisition forces they have in it. You could always adapt your own Stormtroopers I think a few people on the forum have done this.
Don't get me started on Draigo. His fluff and the use of Daemonhosts in a Grey Knight army are the two bits I don't like in the Codex.

I can agree with you on that. I rather Have Justicar Alaric as the Supreme Grand Master .
Which would be AWESOME eh?
I want them to write the codex just so they could enter in some of the more well known characters.


I have plans to convert him as my second Grand Master, it would be pretty fething awesome though.
I just need some special rules to make him stand out.


Or you could play an army that wasn't spawned by Mat Ward. Space Wolves are also an elite, low model-count army.

And the only Fish O' Fury article I could find was a 1d4chan one :(

But here it is: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Fish_of_Fury

   
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Although unless you are EXTREMELY odd, who the author is shouldn't restrict you to what armies you can play.
   
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iproxtaco wrote:Although unless you are EXTREMELY odd, who the author is shouldn't restrict you to what armies you can play.


yes, it should. If hitler wrote the Bible, would you still be Christian (if you are)?

That is an unbelievable extreme example, but it;s the same concept, kinda.

They fething performed a khornate ritual and sacrificed the SOB, and bathed in their blood.

Custodes rape them in every way that could possibly be conceived.

   
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im2randomghgh wrote:
iproxtaco wrote:Although unless you are EXTREMELY odd, who the author is shouldn't restrict you to what armies you can play.


yes, it should. If hitler wrote the Bible, would you still be Christian (if you are)?

That is an unbelievable extreme example, but it;s the same concept, kinda.

They fething performed a khornate ritual and sacrificed the SOB, and bathed in their blood.

Custodes rape them in every way that could possibly be conceived.


I'm not, so won't say anything about the bible, which has no one author. It's not really the same. A codex is a source book, you use it to look at the rules, fluff is not necessary, it doesn't matter then who puts the numbers on the page.

They did not perform a Khorne ritual, and they did not bath.

Not against Daemons. Grey Knights are far, far superior at fighting Daemons than the Custodes. Refer to earlier post as to why this is so.
   
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im2randomghgh wrote:

yes, it should. If hitler wrote the Bible, would you still be Christian (if you are)?

That is an unbelievable extreme example, but it;s the same concept, kinda.


LOL

im2randomghgh wrote:

They fething performed a khornate ritual and sacrificed the SOB, and bathed in their blood.

Custodes rape them in every way that could possibly be conceived.


At least three times in this thread has the nature of the ritual been brought up, and argued against until the opposing party left the thread. You are making this thread go in circles.

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iproxtaco wrote:
im2randomghgh wrote:
iproxtaco wrote:Although unless you are EXTREMELY odd, who the author is shouldn't restrict you to what armies you can play.


yes, it should. If hitler wrote the Bible, would you still be Christian (if you are)?

That is an unbelievable extreme example, but it;s the same concept, kinda.

They fething performed a khornate ritual and sacrificed the SOB, and bathed in their blood.

Custodes rape them in every way that could possibly be conceived.


I'm not, so won't say anything about the bible, which has no one author. It's not really the same. A codex is a source book, you use it to look at the rules, fluff is not necessary, it doesn't matter then who puts the numbers on the page.

They did not perform a Khorne ritual, and they did not bath.

Not against Daemons. Grey Knights are far, far superior at fighting Daemons than the Custodes. Refer to earlier post as to why this is so.


No. grey knights have no advantage whatsoever. Custodes are bigger, better, faster, stronger, better equipped, better trained, made with a more sophisticated process, more experienced, and unlike GK (pansies) who travel to destinations to fight daemons, whereas Custodians are constantly fighting the daemons who emerge through the gate in the Emperor's throne-room. 24/7.

It (40k wiki) says that Guardian Spears are force-weapons, implying that all custodes are latent psykers. Custodians FTW!

   
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iproxtaco wrote:
im2rangomghgh wrote:Nah, Nurgle would stay.

And the Grey Knights are infinitely better at fighting Daemons than the Custodes are.



No. They aren't. Custodes are better in every respect, and are even harder to corrupt than GK are. When a GK (Alaric) recieved the collar of khorne, he lost his psychic shield, and became as resistant to corruption as any other space marine. The Custodes are always incorruptible, having spent 13,000 years by the Emperor's side. They also fight daemons literally every day, as the Portal Magnus destroy is an enormous warp-rift that is contained by 300 Custodians. Custodes are bigger, better equipped, fast, stronger, better trained, and more experienced.

GK can [Mod Edit - Whoa! Language, please.]




That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard today. The Custodes are not better at fighting Daemons than the Grey Knights.

How can you use that as an example? Was he corrupted? NO. The only protection Custodes have is their conviction, no psychic shields, metal conditioning, or souls that are literally painful to Daemons.

Where's the other 3000 years from?

And no they don't fight Daemons every day. The Emperor is on the Golden Throne to keep that portal closed, he does this using his psychic might, protecting the human section. The Companions are the only ones that can stand in the Emperors presence they do not fight Daemons all the time.

Bigger isn't an advantage.
Terminator plus Aegis is better than Custode Armour, Nemesis weapons are better than their Halberds. Psycannons?
Only marginally faster and stronger.
Not against Daemons and today's enemies the Imperium faces, Grey Knights have been trained to fight them all.
They've spent the last 10,000 years standing around, with the occasional foray out into the Noble Houses or Blood Games, so no they aren't more experienced, especially against Daemons.
Plus, they aren't psykers and they don't work together, thus the only advantage they have is that they're slightly faster and stronger, not really that much of one against Daemons.

There's also no source for their weapons being force weapons, thus the writer made it up. They are also not described anywhere as being psykers in any form, so no they aren't. Latent psykers really aren't anywhere near what the Grey Knights are anyway.
You completely missed this post.

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Holy Terra

iproxtaco wrote:
C.S Goto breaks the fluff in everything he writes, Mat Ward does not.


can't...stop... laughing...


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Brother Coa wrote:
iproxtaco wrote:
C.S Goto breaks the fluff in everything he writes, Mat Ward does not.


can't...stop... laughing...


also:

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Viersche wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.


The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?

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Matt Ward wrote a passable Ultramarines codex.
He didn't mess it up too badly and although there were a fair few Mary Sue moments you do get them everywhere.

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He is just a dope, doesn't get paid much and craps all over a long established hobby. Maybe he will get hit by a bus.
   
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That's the kind of pointless, baseless and idiotic comment we don't need, especially after we actually had a real conversation about specific parts of his works. Clearly you don't understand anything that we've posted, and decided to say that, instead of adding to the argument.
   
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Holy Terra

I agree with iproxtaco, just because he wrote a few bad fluff stories doesn't mean that he must die because of it.
But we really hope that he will correct them in a orderly manner. That or that GW simply get him fired and pur Dan Abnet to write fluff...

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None shall stand against the Crusade of the Righteous!!!
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Emperor of Mankind:
"The day I have a sit-down with a pansy elf, magic mushroom, or commie frog is the day I put a bolt shell in my head."
in your name it shall be done"
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Viersche wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.


The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?

Ronin wrote:

"Brother Coa (and the OP Tadashi) is like, the biggest IoM fanboy I can think of here. It's like he IS from the Imperium, sent back in time and across dimensions."

 
   
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Brother Coa wrote:I agree with iproxtaco, just because he wrote a few bad fluff stories doesn't mean that he must die because of it.
But we really hope that he will correct them in a orderly manner. That or that GW simply get him fired and pur Dan Abnet to write fluff...


Or ben counter and Graham Mcneil to write the codex in a joint operation.

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The only tangible thing I've been irked by Ward is the Blood Angel/Necron team up. I am not angry over anything else really.

*this post has come before the possible dark age of Necron marines, should that codex be so terrible it spawns a great storm of rage and fail, this post will be edited for posterity.*
   
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If not a bus how about a street sweeper, I bet that would really suck.
   
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Sounds like people would like Matt Ward to experience the 'Amusing Chair' from Blackadder's season 1 finally.




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tgf wrote:If not a bus how about a street sweeper, I bet that would really suck.


Or, you know, grow up a bit and not wish an early death onto someone who is making playing with tiny plastic men less enjoyable to you.

There are some who walk until their legs fail them and they fall to the ground. I find that respectable.
Then there are those who drag themselves further. I find that admirable.  
   
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He is Wargamings bobby kotick. Basically he is an ignorant, arrogant, tool that writes bad fluff, feths old better fluff, and if hes entire genetic code got flung into the sun i would not lose nay sleep over the news report "Ass hole has himself and his entire family all over the world flung into the sun. Scientists say "WTF bro"."


Not been in on WH for long but even i can tell his a dumb ass.
   
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iproxtaco wrote:
iproxtaco wrote:
im2rangomghgh wrote:Nah, Nurgle would stay.

And the Grey Knights are infinitely better at fighting Daemons than the Custodes are.



No. They aren't. Custodes are better in every respect, and are even harder to corrupt than GK are. When a GK (Alaric) recieved the collar of khorne, he lost his psychic shield, and became as resistant to corruption as any other space marine. The Custodes are always incorruptible, having spent 13,000 years by the Emperor's side. They also fight daemons literally every day, as the Portal Magnus destroy is an enormous warp-rift that is contained by 300 Custodians. Custodes are bigger, better equipped, fast, stronger, better trained, and more experienced.

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That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard today. The Custodes are not better at fighting Daemons than the Grey Knights.

How can you use that as an example? Was he corrupted? NO. The only protection Custodes have is their conviction, no psychic shields, metal conditioning, or souls that are literally painful to Daemons.

Where's the other 3000 years from?

And no they don't fight Daemons every day. The Emperor is on the Golden Throne to keep that portal closed, he does this using his psychic might, protecting the human section. The Companions are the only ones that can stand in the Emperors presence they do not fight Daemons all the time.

Bigger isn't an advantage.
Terminator plus Aegis is better than Custode Armour, Nemesis weapons are better than their Halberds. Psycannons?
Only marginally faster and stronger.
Not against Daemons and today's enemies the Imperium faces, Grey Knights have been trained to fight them all.
They've spent the last 10,000 years standing around, with the occasional foray out into the Noble Houses or Blood Games, so no they aren't more experienced, especially against Daemons.
Plus, they aren't psykers and they don't work together, thus the only advantage they have is that they're slightly faster and stronger, not really that much of one against Daemons.

There's also no source for their weapons being force weapons, thus the writer made it up. They are also not described anywhere as being psykers in any form, so no they aren't. Latent psykers really aren't anywhere near what the Grey Knights are anyway.
You completely missed this post.


1. punctuation please

2. They are halfway in between astartes and primarchs. They are so vastly superior to custodes that it would be like comparing Kharn to a gretchin. Every single primarch that was corrupted was corrupted willingly. 13,000 years by the Emperor's side, closer than even his sons generally makes daemons NOT want to eat your soul. And saying they have no mental conditioning is hilarious. They are infinitely more selective in recruitment than astartes could ever afford to be, as they, being the Emperor's bodyguards, can never, ever afford to fail. If they did, the astronomicon would collapse, the Chaos Gods would enter the material world, and everything in the universe would die.

3. They served with the Emperor during the Unification Wars, not just during the crusade. that's where the 3000 years came from.

4. The Emperor's psychic might does three things: 1. keep him alive. 2. power the astronomicon and 3. hold the CG out of the phsical universe/ He doesn't/can't hold daemons out, otherwise the eye would not be a problem. The 300 custodes spend every moment of every day fighting against said daemons.

5. Bigger is better. Would you rather have a guardsman with a las-pistol backing you up, or a warmonger titan?
-And custode armour is better. More protection than termie/artificer armour, and more mobility than power armour. It is lean and nigh-indestructible. In The first Heretic, a full bolter clip was pumped point-blank at a custode, and ever one hit, but the armour held. there was minor damage to the eye, but that was all.
-No. They are MUCH faster and MUCH stronger. Again, in First Heretic, a custode killed three astartes within a second. He only got shot at because he paused to level charges at Lorgar.
-So have custodes. Do you think they just sit on their haunches all day long? No, they train and endure the Blood Games. They are also all veterans of the Unification Wars, GC, and HH.

6. Not working together means that, unlike Ultrasmurfs who stand shoulder to shoulder with their butt-buddies, a single krak missile won't kill them all. They are not trained to sit there and fire salvos, they are trained to get gak done and protect the Emprah.

7. Alaric, a gay knight, is latent. So don't bash latent psykers

And Guardian spears are so vastly superior to nemesis weapons it's not even funny. As to them not being force weapons, I believe it was Andy Hoare who described them as such.

http://fr.games-workshop.com/40k/space_marines/modelisme/custodes/img/art_custodes_marines.jpg

   
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What if he were just chummed and thrown into the ocean? Do you think the dolphins and sharks would set aside their differences to team up and devour the meat croutons?

   
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im2randomghgh wrote:

1. punctuation please

2. They are halfway in between astartes and primarchs. They are so vastly superior to custodes that it would be like comparing Kharn to a gretchin. Every single primarch that was corrupted was corrupted willingly. 13,000 years by the Emperor's side, closer than even his sons generally makes daemons NOT want to eat your soul. And saying they have no mental conditioning is hilarious. They are infinitely more selective in recruitment than astartes could ever afford to be, as they, being the Emperor's bodyguards, can never, ever afford to fail. If they did, the astronomicon would collapse, the Chaos Gods would enter the material world, and everything in the universe would die.

3. They served with the Emperor during the Unification Wars, not just during the crusade. that's where the 3000 years came from.

4. The Emperor's psychic might does three things: 1. keep him alive. 2. power the astronomicon and 3. hold the CG out of the phsical universe/ He doesn't/can't hold daemons out, otherwise the eye would not be a problem. The 300 custodes spend every moment of every day fighting against said daemons.

5. Bigger is better. Would you rather have a guardsman with a las-pistol backing you up, or a warmonger titan?
-And custode armour is better. More protection than termie/artificer armour, and more mobility than power armour. It is lean and nigh-indestructible. In The first Heretic, a full bolter clip was pumped point-blank at a custode, and ever one hit, but the armour held. there was minor damage to the eye, but that was all.
-No. They are MUCH faster and MUCH stronger. Again, in First Heretic, a custode killed three astartes within a second. He only got shot at because he paused to level charges at Lorgar.
-So have custodes. Do you think they just sit on their haunches all day long? No, they train and endure the Blood Games. They are also all veterans of the Unification Wars, GC, and HH.

6. Not working together means that, unlike Ultrasmurfs who stand shoulder to shoulder with their butt-buddies, a single krak missile won't kill them all. They are not trained to sit there and fire salvos, they are trained to get gak done and protect the Emprah.

7. Alaric, a gay knight, is latent. So don't bash latent psykers

And Guardian spears are so vastly superior to nemesis weapons it's not even funny. As to them not being force weapons, I believe it was Andy Hoare who described them as such.

http://fr.games-workshop.com/40k/space_marines/modelisme/custodes/img/art_custodes_marines.jpg


Wow. Care to try and actually back up your arguments?

During a conversation in First Heretic, one character states that you shouldn't bet on a Custode if they ever fought a Space Marine as the two are so alike. So no, they are not half way between an Astartes and the Primarchs, not that possibly being marginially faster and stronger is a massive advantage against Daemons, considering this is what we're talking about, which force is better at fighting Daemons.
Actually, considering the Primarchs are the physical sons of the Emperor, using his own genetic material, and no firm evidence is given about Custodes using the Emperor's, they are not 'closer'. Have any evidence to suggest the Custodes have souls that are not palatable to Daemons? One was used as a sacrifice during a sorcerous ritual on Cadia, they clearly are, whereas the Grey Knights aren't.
It's hinted more that the Custodes are created and not recruited. Therefore, they don't have to prove themselves like the Grey Knights recruits have to.

Fine, 13,000 years, I have been proved wrong.

The Emperor's psychic might does not keep him alive. The Golden Throne does. He protects the human part of the Webway. Without his psychic sheath it's a Warp Portal right on Terra. He protects it and stops the Warp from pouring through. He does not keep the The Eye of Terror closed, and does not even try to. The Custodes DO NOT fight Daemons everyday, unless you can give me clear and hard evidence to suggest the contrary. The Warp portal beneath the Throne is CLOSED, no Daemons can get through. Custodes do not fight Daemons everyday.

If I needed a scout or something to carry out infiltration or fight in a built up area, then yeah. I would prefer the guardsman.
Hmm, the armour buckled in the end though, and still doesn't give as much protection as Terminator with Aegis against Daemons. Better than power armour sure, in-between Terminator and Power, which would be Artificer. Do the have the Aegis? Nope, therefore they are not better protected against Daemons.
Refer to previous point about strength. They are the same, or only marginally faster and stronger, which again, is not that much of an advantage against Daemons.
They can do as much training as they want, for as long as they want, they still don't go out an actively fight, so they do not have as much experience as the Grey Knights. Especially not against Daemons, who the GKs fight their entire lives non stop.

Actually, working together means actually helping each other out, coordinating abilites and tactics, and working coherently to take down their enemies. The Custodes are described as not doing this at all. Are you saying that it is now somehow an advantage? Ha. Yeah, that's being bunched up, different from working together.
Get S**t done individually, they don't work together to get s**t done, a whole lot less effective than working as a team to do the same thing.

There are no latent Grey KNights psykers, they are all very powerful full psykers, it's a requirment. There is nothing to even hint that Custodes are psykers of any form.

Link does not work, therfore you have no proof. They are not psykers. Their weapons are power weapons at best. Due to them not being Nemesis Weapons, and the custodes not being psykers, Nemesis force weapons are infinately better against Daemons than the Guardian Spears. With attached Storm Bolters loaded with psy-bolt ammo? So much better versus Daemons than the bolters on the Custode spears, and the lasers some of them have. Psycannons? Psilensers? Nemesis Dreadknight? Custodes have none of these. Do they have the Liber Daemonicum( Don't have access to the codex right now)?
   
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1. punctuation please

2. They are halfway in between astartes and primarchs. They are so vastly superior to custodes that it would be like comparing Kharn to a gretchin. Every single primarch that was corrupted was corrupted willingly. 13,000 years by the Emperor's side, closer than even his sons generally makes daemons NOT want to eat your soul. And saying they have no mental conditioning is hilarious. They are infinitely more selective in recruitment than astartes could ever afford to be, as they, being the Emperor's bodyguards, can never, ever afford to fail. If they did, the astronomicon would collapse, the Chaos Gods would enter the material world, and everything in the universe would die.

3. They served with the Emperor during the Unification Wars, not just during the crusade. that's where the 3000 years came from.

4. The Emperor's psychic might does three things: 1. keep him alive. 2. power the astronomicon and 3. hold the CG out of the phsical universe/ He doesn't/can't hold daemons out, otherwise the eye would not be a problem. The 300 custodes spend every moment of every day fighting against said daemons.

5. Bigger is better. Would you rather have a guardsman with a las-pistol backing you up, or a warmonger titan?
-And custode armour is better. More protection than termie/artificer armour, and more mobility than power armour. It is lean and nigh-indestructible. In The first Heretic, a full bolter clip was pumped point-blank at a custode, and ever one hit, but the armour held. there was minor damage to the eye, but that was all.
-No. They are MUCH faster and MUCH stronger. Again, in First Heretic, a custode killed three astartes within a second. He only got shot at because he paused to level charges at Lorgar.
-So have custodes. Do you think they just sit on their haunches all day long? No, they train and endure the Blood Games. They are also all veterans of the Unification Wars, GC, and HH.

6. Not working together means that, unlike Ultrasmurfs who stand shoulder to shoulder with their butt-buddies, a single krak missile won't kill them all. They are not trained to sit there and fire salvos, they are trained to get gak done and protect the Emprah.

7. Alaric, a gay knight, is latent. So don't bash latent psykers

And Guardian spears are so vastly superior to nemesis weapons it's not even funny. As to them not being force weapons, I believe it was Andy Hoare who described them as such.

http://fr.games-workshop.com/40k/space_marines/modelisme/custodes/img/art_custodes_marines.jpg


Wow. Care to try and actually back up your arguments?

During a conversation in First Heretic, one character states that you shouldn't bet on a Custode if they ever fought a Space Marine as the two are so alike. So no, they are not half way between an Astartes and the Primarchs, not that possibly being marginially faster and stronger is a massive advantage against Daemons, considering this is what we're talking about, which force is better at fighting Daemons.
Actually, considering the Primarchs are the physical sons of the Emperor, using his own genetic material, and no firm evidence is given about Custodes using the Emperor's, they are not 'closer'. Have any evidence to suggest the Custodes have souls that are not palatable to Daemons? One was used as a sacrifice during a sorcerous ritual on Cadia, they clearly are, whereas the Grey Knights aren't.
It's hinted more that the Custodes are created and not recruited. Therefore, they don't have to prove themselves like the Grey Knights recruits have to.

Fine, 13,000 years, I have been proved wrong.

The Emperor's psychic might does not keep him alive. The Golden Throne does. He protects the human part of the Webway. Without his psychic sheath it's a Warp Portal right on Terra. He protects it and stops the Warp from pouring through. He does not keep the The Eye of Terror closed, and does not even try to. The Custodes DO NOT fight Daemons everyday, unless you can give me clear and hard evidence to suggest the contrary. The Warp portal beneath the Throne is CLOSED, no Daemons can get through. Custodes do not fight Daemons everyday.

If I needed a scout or something to carry out infiltration or fight in a built up area, then yeah
. I would prefer the guardsman.
Hmm, the armour buckled in the end though, and still doesn't give as much protection as Terminator with Aegis against Daemons. Better than power armour sure, in-between Terminator and Power, which would be Artificer. Do the have the Aegis? Nope, therefore they are not better protected against Daemons.
Refer to previous point about strength. They are the same, or only marginally faster and stronger, which again, is not that much of an advantage against Daemons.
They can do as much training as they want, for as long as they want, they still don't go out an actively fight, so they do not have as much experience as the Grey Knights. Especially not against Daemons, who the GKs fight their entire lives non stop.

Actually, working together means actually helping each other out, coordinating abilites and tactics, and working coherently to take down their enemies. The Custodes are described as not doing this at all. Are you saying that it is now somehow an advantage? Ha. Yeah, that's being bunched up, different from working together.
Get S**t done individually, they don't work together to get s**t done, a whole lot less effective than working as a team to do the same thing.

There are no latent Grey KNights psykers, they are all very powerful full psykers, it's a requirment. There is nothing to even hint that Custodes are psykers of any form.

Link does not work, therfore you have no proof. They are not psykers. Their weapons are power weapons at best. Due to them not being Nemesis Weapons, and the custodes not being psykers, Nemesis force weapons are infinately better against Daemons than the Guardian Spears. With attached Storm Bolters loaded with psy-bolt ammo? So much better versus Daemons than the bolters on the Custode spears, and the lasers some of them have. Psycannons? Psilensers? Nemesis Dreadknight? Custodes have none of these. Do they have the Liber Daemonicum( Don't have access to the codex right now)?


So much of that is wrong. So very, very much. But I bolded the most desperately wrong parts.

I will discuss the bolded parts one at a time.

1.
The Custodes were the greatest group of physiologically and psychologically-enhanced troops the Emperor had ever created, ten thousand strong and the best trained, most disciplined and most vigilant watchmen in the Imperium.
Genetically Enhanced, not manufactured. Humans, who are augmented. This quote says it all.

2.
Although once a living man, his shattered, decaying body can no longer support life, and it is kept intact only by the cybernetic mechanisms of the Golden Throne and a potent mind itself sustained by the daily sacrifice of thousands of lives

The GT itself is not what sustains him, it's his mind. Also, the GT is powered by his mind

3. Or you can just blow up the urban zone

4. No, they work as a unit, but they fight independently. They co-ordinate their attacks, but do not fight in formation. They are described as bear, as opposed to the wolf pack of astartes, however the wolf-pack thing is only an advantage when they out-number the bear, and even then wolves will die. here, the bears outnumber the wolves 10:1. They are trained for a different function anyway, so this whole comparison is kinda useless.

5. In the Omnibus it said that most GK are latent, including Alaric, and that it is usually only termies have active abilities. Game Mechanics do NOT equal fluff.

If you make your next post more concise, I'll respond to the whole thing rather than just the most obvious issues, cuz Imma lazy

   
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GK aren't latent.
Their abilities aren't strong enough to manifest themselves like a Librairan would but are powerful enough to form a psychic shield for themselves.

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According to Aaron Dembski-Bowden, Custodes aren't psychic.

A D-B on Bolter and Chainsword wrote:
THE CUSTODIANS AREN'T PSYCHIC OH MY GOD I HATE YOU MIKAL.


Also, all Grey Knights are psychic. Its the first thing you need to be able to do as a potential GK recruit, and is necessary to use their Nemesis Force weapons. Alaric's powers were focused more on internal defense rather than offensive capabilities.

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