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Command squads are not supposed to be 10 strong, it's very unfluffy and doesn't feel like a command squad anymore.

"I'm the lieutenant and that's my medic, that's my vox operator, that's my banner bearer, that's my weapons specialist and those five guys over there? They are the extra ablative armour."

Besides, GW is bringing out plastic five man command squads for both Cadians and Catachans.

Wait what's wrong w/ 10 man squad commands? If you look at the fluff...Commanders are normally no where near battle. They lead from WAY in the back where they have no chance of coming under fire, and even if they do come under fire they are normally in some sort of battle HQ area. Why wouldn't they move around w/ "veteran advisors" or some other title to bump em up? I also understand that will not happen.....having said that I feel that the current way KP effect IG, they are such a huge liability to give up KP quick.

Would it be horribly wrong if you have to kill the command squad to get KP and the regular units, which are normally seen as throw away units that die in the millions anyways, not be worth any KP? Just asking.

No one can say it isn't fluff that regular infantry squads shouldn't be worth KP. IG literally die by the 100's of 1000's all day along and no commander(except a few) even care. There's always more Guards for the grind....

What I heard.

Guard platoons will be worth 1 kp.

This will be balaced by the fact that the guards new special rules only work on squads in the same platoon. IE guardsmen can only shoot through squads in the same platoon with out granting cover saves. Platoon comanders must be in range of their squads to grant that squad the ability to fire while going to ground. Basically the closer you keep your sqauds together the more powerful they become... However as with most of the stuff you see on the interweb please take with a grain of salt

Janthkin wrote:We chatted about things like this back a few pages. The problem is that you can't defend or protect 5 T3 models with a 5+ save.

True, but as I've noted, you can protect 10 T3 models with a 4+ cover save thanks to having 2-5 other 10-man squads acting as screens that cost 40-50 points each. Having the option to take a Command Squad Chimera helps too.

At least, you can protect them about as well as you can protect any 10-man squad that's worth 1 Kill Point.

Further, I don't see anything "unfluffy" about Officers having, you know, guards. You don't have to take a Vox operator, medic, or anything else. A Command Squad, at its core, was 1 Officer and 4 Guardsmen. 1 Officer and 9 Guardsmen makes just as much sense to me.

Meanwhile the "5 man Command Squad box" doesn't present a compelling argument to me. That's the upper limit of specialist units you can fit into a Command Squad and the minimum number of models. It should not automatically present an upper limit to the number of models in the Squad.

Those Vostroyan models look pretty awesome. When did they come out, anyway? Are they Direct Order only? I haven't seen them at my local store.

- Marty Lund

WARNING SHAMELESS PLUG.....

I posted a 1k army list in the Army list section if any IG commanders wouldn't mind commenting on it.

W/ that out of the way...anyone know what the recuts of the Sentinels are suppose to have in it? I am assuming that I can just use a plastic kit to make the different variations

mlund wrote:Those Vostroyan models look pretty awesome. When did they come out, anyway? Are they Direct Order only? I haven't seen them at my local store.

- Marty Lund

The Vostroyan models are indeed totally awesome. Very John Blanche. They were released in 2006 in conjunction with the Medusa V global campaign. They are indeed now Direct Only.

Bell of Lost Souls wrote:IG Codex $25
IG Primaris Psyker $15
IG Ratling Snipers $20
IG Sentinel $25
IG Cadian Command Squad $25
IG Catachan Command Squad $25
IG Valkyrie $50
IG Cadian Shock Troops $22
IG Catachan Jungle Fighters $22

And there we go!

Plastic Valkyrie is confirmed at $50 for the kit, part of the initial release.

And possibly more...

Woo-hoo!

Now, please, let there be three-fer splash release on the Valkyrie & Sentinel! Yes!

Have you seen the WarSeer update from BigBadBull on the Shadowsword boxed kit

Pics and info

It would be cool if the guard had something like the mob rule that allowes them to increase leadership within the platoon.
Like getting 1 ld bonus for every squad of the same platoon within 12' to a max of 10 or something similar.

Lord Castellan Mik wrote:Have you seen the WarSeer update from BigBadBull on the Shadowsword boxed kit

Pics and info

Yes indeed.

Regarde :

Hurrah, the Stormlord in plastic.

I see GW's proofreading department is as hard-working as usual.

And the Volcano Cannon is apparently the biggest weapon the Imperium has...

BYE

Either I smell retardism, a sales pitch or another one of those retcons.

Probably all three..

Anyone know is the $22 Catachan box (I assume 10 man) a resculpt or just a recut with more special weapons?

Nice. Primaris Psykers are back! Hopefully, they can do something...and not the weak ass crap of a sanctioned psyker.

Capt K

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Anyone know is the $22 Catachan box (I assume 10 man) a resculpt or just a recut with more special weapons?

Most likely a recut of the original sprues into a smaller boxed set with a heavy weapons set.

Edited title to reflect new rumor addition.

Actually, I wouldn't count on a full selection of Heavy Weapons. I'd bet on just getting a single man-carried weapon, consistent with the Tactical SM ML and Chaos Marine HB. So the IG box should have:
- Flamer
- Plasma
- Melta
- GL
- ML
This forces players to still buy HWS boxes for the extra gun options, just like the SM Devs and CSM Havocs.

If we're lucky, the included weapon is semi-useful ML. If GW is on the variety kick, maybe the Guard get the Mortar...

Isn't it odd that they reference Tyrand creatures in the Stompa fluff? Maybe its a hint of things to come...

DD - I think it'd be easier for GW to just throw the plastic heavy weapon sprue in the box. How many cadians are on each sprue right now?

H.B.M.C. wrote:And the Volcano Cannon is apparently the biggest weapon the Imperium has...

BYE

Biggest Primary Weapon it says, which would suggest a class between Heavy Weapons, Artillery, Tank mounted Weapons (Battle Cannon) and the much larger Titan and Starship Weapons.

Sounds about accurate to me.

I'd rather have them have Autocannons vs. the ML. ML suck for IG.

Capt K

Oooooh nelly,this is looking good. And that Stormlord is tits! I was going to but a Macharius but i think i would just rather get the stormlord.

And I agree, the primairs sounds tasty, hopefully they give him powers to match the old title!

I am very excited for the new IG, even more than I was before!

Bell of Lost Souls wrote:IG Codex $25
IG Primaris Psyker $15
IG Ratling Snipers $20
IG Sentinel $25
IG Cadian Command Squad $25
IG Valkyrie $50
IG Cadian Shock Troops $22

Hmmm...this is the stuff I'm interested in hearing.
I am assuming that Ratlings are Pewter, as is the Psyker of course.
Like others have said the Sentinel is most likely a recut that allows you to give yourself the armoured compartment via plastic(and saving $5 hopefully)
Command squad...guess I'll wait to buy one noe
Valkyrie...vehicle...plastic...yippie!
And recut Shock troops now only give you 10 per box w/ some sort of extra weapon/bits....sooo time to start buying the IG now so I don't have to get em 10 at a time!

Shadowsword sounds gravy but I don't really like APOC sooooo that's a shame :(

+ =
that is good rumors. i also heard the vaylkerie will put in the codex, but only as a skimmer.

M0TH#RDUCK3R!
Confirmation that ratling snipers are still around!
I hate ratilings. Why couldn't they get eaten with the squats.
(hate hate hate)
they better have boots...
and if they're plastic they're getting piked on my Word Bearer Dreadnoughts to further show my disgust
(since a ratling model never deserve to hit the table outside of Mordheim)

Hey ratlings are the bomb. i almost took out a whole squad with them. dont dis the space hobbits man.

Ratlings will adorn my marines bases. I hate space hobbits.

I love space hobbits!

Actually, i totally don't care, but I felt I should continue the "Do not!" "Do too!" nature of this thread.

yay new ig