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Lias Issodon seems pretty amazing now. Deep Strike for 3 Infantry units in your army that aren't Terminators/Centurions/Primaris. And a sweet gun that most units in the game will fear.

Requizen wrote:
Lias Issodon seems pretty amazing now. Deep Strike for 3 Infantry units in your army that aren't Terminators/Centurions/Primaris. And a sweet gun that most units in the game will fear.

Yuuuuuuuuuup. Plus he has a re-roll to-hit bubble and a +1" move (infantry) bubble and he himself is M7, a 2+ save and a buffed cover save. Also, he can shoot and move after falling back (no charging). The only main drawback I see with him is a lack of Invuln, which is absurd since he is a Chapter Master!

I think he is a pretty awesome support HQ though and he isn't too expensive. I am brainstorming lists with him right now!

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

Requizen wrote:
Lias Issodon seems pretty amazing now. Deep Strike for 3 Infantry units in your army that aren't Terminators/Centurions/Primaris. And a sweet gun that most units in the game will fear.

Yuuuuuuuuuup. Plus he has a re-roll to-hit bubble and a +1" move (infantry) bubble and he himself is M7, a 2+ save and a buffed cover save. Also, he can shoot and move after falling back (no charging). The only main drawback I see with him is a lack of Invuln, which is absurd since he is a Chapter Master!

I think he is a pretty awesome support HQ though and he isn't too expensive. I am brainstorming lists with him right now!

He's never had an invuln though, so atleast they are being consistent. Gotta be sure to keep some Honor Guard near by.

Tyberos is mean too. FW did a great job with the Badab characters.

Lias is terrific.

I can't decide between using him to infiltrate Devastators, Sternguard or simply bringing apothecaries/ancients into the fray to buff other naturally deep striking units.

ShaneMarsh wrote:
As for Moloc (whose image I found on 4chan and can't access on this computer):

His weapon in melee is +2S, -3AP, 3D, with +1A if attacking a character. Shooting it is range 12, Assault 1, S8, AP-3, 3D.

All Minotaur units within six inches re-roll all failed to hit rolls and all failed charge rolls. If he is killed, he immediately piles in and makes his attacks before being removed. He can teleport in.

M 5', 2+ BS/WS, S4, T4, W6, A4, LD 10(I think), 2+/3++.

10 Power, 200 points.

He looks pretty beastly against characters. (Posting so I can access info for a game tonight)

Wow. I might have to dust off my Minotaur army afterall! Is this info legit? Is there a pic of the data?

 krazynadechukr wrote:

ShaneMarsh wrote:
As for Moloc (whose image I found on 4chan and can't access on this computer):

His weapon in melee is +2S, -3AP, 3D, with +1A if attacking a character. Shooting it is range 12, Assault 1, S8, AP-3, 3D.

All Minotaur units within six inches re-roll all failed to hit rolls and all failed charge rolls. If he is killed, he immediately piles in and makes his attacks before being removed. He can teleport in.

M 5', 2+ BS/WS, S4, T4, W6, A4, LD 10(I think), 2+/3++.

10 Power, 200 points.

He looks pretty beastly against characters. (Posting so I can access info for a game tonight)

Wow. I might have to dust off my Minotaur army afterall! Is this info legit? Is there a pic of the data?

Info is legit and there is a pic on 4chan. I cannot access here on computer at work- but it does exist. The only thing I am not sure of is the Leadership.

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Wow. I might have to dust off my Minotaur army afterall! Is this info legit? Is there a pic of the data?

Butcher Cannon Array has piqued my interest.

Heavy 8, Strength 8, AP -1. Damage 2.

So far, so middling. Not bad for polishing off or softening up Tanks, enough shots and damage output to worry/seriously concern most infantry.

But, it's golden ability? If it inflicts any casualties with that weapon, -2 Ld. And that's awesome. See, it knocks most units down to Ld 6, and will likely be taking down at least two infantry itself. So unless your opponent has a native way round Battleshock (Nids, Orks), they're either facing mass Battleshock Casualties, or having to spend 2 Command Points.

When you absolutely, positively need to get rid of one particular enemy unit, that's a cracking bit of Dakka to have on your side.

Spesh married with the Soulburner...2D3 shots, all hits become Mortal Wounds. Combine both of those with Battleshock, and you can pretty much delete MEQ units.....

80 points on a 135 point model is fairly pricey for that effect though. You're probably better off with a standard butcher cannon on some other unit.

Thank you, axisofentropy! I have a printer where I am. While I wait for my copy of the book to arrive I can print that out and rock and roll. Now I need is the Sicaran and the Repressor and I am complete!

Just added about the Soulburner combo.

If I was to take two Butcher Cannon Arrays. That'd make for a helluva support unit, especially for Thousand Sons.

Apologise if I sound condescending, but as a long term AoS player I'm mad keen to exploit any reliable way to fiddle with Ld/Bravery. I've seen Battleshock do horrible things to an army....

 axisofentropy wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Wow. I might have to dust off my Minotaur army afterall! Is this info legit? Is there a pic of the data?

NOICE! Thank you. Keep those coming!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Just added about the Soulburner combo.

If I was to take two Butcher Cannon Arrays. That'd make for a helluva support unit, especially for Thousand Sons.

Apologise if I sound condescending, but as a long term AoS player I'm mad keen to exploit any reliable way to fiddle with Ld/Bravery. I've seen Battleshock do horrible things to an army....

What can take two arrays?

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

Requizen wrote:
Lias Issodon seems pretty amazing now. Deep Strike for 3 Infantry units in your army that aren't Terminators/Centurions/Primaris. And a sweet gun that most units in the game will fear.

Yuuuuuuuuuup. Plus he has a re-roll to-hit bubble and a +1" move (infantry) bubble and he himself is M7, a 2+ save and a buffed cover save. Also, he can shoot and move after falling back (no charging). The only main drawback I see with him is a lack of Invuln, which is absurd since he is a Chapter Master!

I think he is a pretty awesome support HQ though and he isn't too expensive. I am brainstorming lists with him right now!

I use Sternguard with him,
Chapter Elits with good boltguns popping out in rapid fire range?
Really freaking good, and Fluffy.
but the INV doesnt mtter because, behing a Char, you wont have issue hiding him.
Also, because the models are placed, they dont count as moving......so Devs are brutal with him

Those hellforged vehicles are amazing. So much fluffy goodness.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

Requizen wrote:
Lias Issodon seems pretty amazing now. Deep Strike for 3 Infantry units in your army that aren't Terminators/Centurions/Primaris. And a sweet gun that most units in the game will fear.

Yuuuuuuuuuup. Plus he has a re-roll to-hit bubble and a +1" move (infantry) bubble and he himself is M7, a 2+ save and a buffed cover save. Also, he can shoot and move after falling back (no charging). The only main drawback I see with him is a lack of Invuln, which is absurd since he is a Chapter Master!

I think he is a pretty awesome support HQ though and he isn't too expensive. I am brainstorming lists with him right now!

I use Sternguard with him,
Chapter Elits with good boltguns popping out in rapid fire range?
Really freaking good, and Fluffy.
but the INV doesnt mtter because, behing a Char, you wont have issue hiding him.
Also, because the models are placed, they dont count as moving......so Devs are brutal with him

Yup. Excited to build around him!

Asterion sounds FUN! which is what i'd hoped for! you could move some decent units around then have him teleport in close to use his special rules then assault.

The question is, how fared lord troll, aka issodon?

 BoomWolf wrote:
The question is, how fared lord troll, aka issodon?

Like... one post up he is discussed briefly. lol

He is solid, imo.

Nnnngh....so hard to be patient for the Astra Militarium index and its Renegades. Assuming (and its hard to see why they wouldn't) they have the Chaos keyword, I can finally do the Chaos Rabble list I've wanted to do since 2nd edition but didn't get around to before 3rd came out.

So when can we expect to see the books? It says the 23rd, so will that be tomorrow (since it's 8AM on the 22nd in New Zealand right now) or do they usually wait until the 23rd in BST?

The books last weekend were available at slightly after midnight UK time.

skarsol wrote:
The books last weekend were available at slightly after midnight UK time.

Well then guess I'll be sleeping when they are released, and instead find my copy there in the morning.

Um. Pretty sure this is a new bundle, but look at that price.

Is the Mastadon worth it in 8th, or not?
It definitely wasnt worth the points in 7th.

As assaulting first is so much more important in 8th I'd say if you plan on having a couple of assault focused units that you want to deliver then yes as the Mastodon can move, wait a turn, survive a turn of shooting/assault, then disgorge it's cargo giving you first swing in assault.

It's damage output is good but far from amazing.

One issue with the Mastodon is that it is a 'Relic', meaning in a battleforged force you have to take another Lord of War before you can take one. Very silly rule.

grahamdbailey wrote:
One issue with the Mastodon is that it is a 'Relic', meaning in a battleforged force you have to take another Lord of War before you can take one. Very silly rule.

Agreed.
Where I'm at I get to disregard the "relic" rule since im using a heresy army as a regular BA 8th ed army, battlefroged using all the 8th ed rules with one other exception...
I get to use Cataphractii as well

grahamdbailey wrote:
One issue with the Mastodon is that it is a 'Relic', meaning in a battleforged force you have to take another Lord of War before you can take one. Very silly rule.

So yo be battleforged you take 1 LoW then you get 1 Relic vehicle? So 1 for 1?