Space Wolves whispers and confirmations

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**combatmedic**

Mastiff wrote:remind people why Space Wolves are the bee's knees.

And thus proving my point that only old people play Wolves.

**wyomingfox**

I am 29 years young... damn your young whipper snapper hide!

**ChrisAsmadi**

perplexiti wrote:
Blood Angels also have:

Sanguinary Priests

Furioso Dreads

Elite Scouts

Veterans that are assault squads also in the elite slot

And troop choice assault squads as well.

Oh and different psyker powers.

So the difference is more than just two units, while this isn't as big a difference as SW and BT it's still,
IMHO significant.

Back OT, I like the sound of relentless LFs.
It means I could set them up hidden then move them out and shoot something, it would be nice to use them more often.

The only Sanguinary Priest is a Special Character, and I did not include those in my list.
Furioso Dreads are pretty much less armoured Ironclads. Not really unique.
Elite Scouts are no more unique than Troop Assault Marines - they're just something existing moved into a different slot.
Veteran Assault Marines are pretty much Vanguard Veterans in almost every way.
Different Psychic powers could easily be fused into a different codex.

**BrookM**

And Adrian Smith still can't draw human beings normally even if his life depended on it.

**Demogerg**

ChrisAsmadi wrote:
perplexiti wrote:
Blood Angels also have:

Sanguinary Priests

Furioso Dreads

Elite Scouts

Veterans that are assault squads also in the elite slot

And troop choice assault squads as well.

Oh and different psyker powers.

So the difference is more than just two units, while this isn't as big a difference as SW and BT it's still,
IMHO significant.

Back OT, I like the sound of relentless LFs.
It means I could set them up hidden then move them out and shoot something, it would be nice to use them more often.

The only Sanguinary Priest is a Special Character, and I did not include those in my list.
Furioso Dreads are pretty much less armoured Ironclads. Not really unique.
Elite Scouts are no more unique than Troop Assault Marines - they're just something existing moved into a different slot.
Veteran Assault Marines are pretty much Vanguard Veterans in almost every way.
Different Psychic powers could easily be fused into a different codex.

This arguement belongs in a different thread please, thanks, have a nice day.

**Mastiff**

wyomingfox wrote:Even with relentless, I see them being shot to death. I would have prefered an option that allowed Long Fang squads to purchase wolves (much like a HQ could in the old dex, with a minor exception that the wolves DON'T run away when the pack leader is killed).

Yep, I agree with you here. The problem with Long Fangs is the lack of ablative armour. Although the new option to move may help get off at least one round of shooting (I hope).

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combatmedic wrote:
Mastiff wrote:remind people why Space Wolves are the bee's knees.

And thus proving my point that only old people play Wolves.

...and young people lack a sense of irony.

**ubermosher**

combatmedic wrote:And thus proving my point that only old people play Wolves.

I had an argument against this point, but I forgot it. Now get off my internet you dag-gum punks. I just watered it.

**dienekes96**

Old people have more money. Trust me. I can outspend young GW hobbyists. So they should cater to me in tough times.

**perplexiti**

Now that would be cool, grizzled old fullas with some howling beasties surrounding them laying down suppressing fire. That's a great idea.

**Lowinor**

wyomingfox wrote:Even with relentless, I see them being shot to death. I would have prefered an option that allowed Long Fang squads to purchase wolves (much like a HQ could in the old dex, with a minor exception that the wolves DON'T run away when the pack leader is killed).

Relentless heavy weapons squads?

Drop Pods.

While survivability was their main 4e problem, as a SW player who has never had any desire to field them, if they were reasonably costed and had Relentless, I'd use them all the time in a Drop Pod list. I'm already experimenting with Drop Pod Devastators in vanilla SM lists, Relentless Long Fangs would make them a no-brainer.

However, I'd be very surprised if they actually get that rule.

**Marshal2Crusaders**

It would fit with the 'all drop pods, all the time' thing that has been rumored for the wolves.

**aka_mythos**

I hope Leman Russ tanks are still in their list. I know the rumor says otherwise, but that would make the difference for me playing them or not. Its just such a strong part of how I've visualized them.

**grimbrandt**

aka_mythos wrote:I hope Leman Russ tanks are still in their list. I know the rumor says otherwise, but that would make the difference for me playing them or not. Its just such a strong part of how I've visualized them.

Well if not I'm gonna have a go at a counts as somethin' else conversion, maybe a razorback? Just 'cos I had a Leman Russ in my first Space Wolf army and for nostalgia's sake I'm gunna start by building that force again and it wouldn't be the same without some form of Leman Russ chasis!!

**Mastiff**

ubermosher wrote:
combatmedic wrote:And thus proving my point that only old people play Wolves.

I had an argument against this point, but I forgot it. Now get off my internet you dag-gum punks. I just watered it.

Heheh

**Alpharius**

dienekes96 wrote:Old people have more money. Trust me. I can outspend young GW hobbyists. So they should cater to me in tough times.

Word.

**sonofruss**

Alpharius wrote:
dienekes96 wrote:Old people have more money. Trust me. I can outspend young GW hobbyists. So they should cater to me in tough times.

Word.

+1

Now about this assault cannon landraider is it 3 twin linked or one twin linked and 2 singles if it is the former

if the later

**Railguns**

Man that thing is gonna have assault cannons comin' offa other assault cannons, like, all over. Like, mo than a dozen. Word. Kids be all like, "man I wish rendin' didn't get nerfed, this tank pwns."
But really, it'll probably be 3 sets of twin linked ones. Singles don't seem impressive enough.

**Vanchet**

The hounds are calling!!

Can't wait
I just Pray that GWS seriously works on current models like Ragnar Blackmane and Njal Stormcaller and so forth

**grimbrandt**

Railguns wrote:Man that thing is gonna have assault cannons comin' offa other assault cannons, like, all over. Like, mo than a dozen. Word. Kids be all like, "man I wish rendin' didn't get nerfed, this tank pwns."
But really, it'll probably be 3 sets of twin linked ones. Singles don't seem impressive enough.

It's assualt cannons have assault cannons so it can kill you while it kills you!

**BrookM**

I feel a "Yo Dawg, I herd you liek assault cannons" imagine coming up..

**grimbrandt**

BrookM wrote:I feel a "Yo Dawg, I herd you liek assault cannons" imagine coming up..

That's pretty much the image I had floating around in my head... lol!

**Alpharius**

grimbrandt wrote:
BrookM wrote:I feel a "Yo Dawg, I herd you liek assault cannons" imagine coming up..

That's pretty much the image I had floating around in my head... lol!

Good call!

I'm actually looking forward to it.

(Why isn't it already here?!?!?)

**H.B.M.C.**

BrookM wrote:And Adrian Smith still can't draw human beings normally even if his life depended on it.

Which is why they need to kidnap Mark Gibbons and make him start drawing for them again.

**karnaeya**

**Stygian Mole**

combatmedic wrote:
And thus proving my point that only old people play Wolves.

And heres me disproving it. Seriously though, they cant still be banging on about no THs can they? It makes no sense, Mjolnir was the original TH after all.
It'll be good to have Bjorn and Njal back, not sure about this new guy but hey, the more the wolfier!

**wyomingfox**

BrookM wrote:I feel a "Yo Dawg, I herd you liek assault cannons" imagine coming up..

**combatmedic**

Aaaaah! Hilarity!

**Deadshane1**

I'm glad the Space Wolves are getting a reboot here.

I'm happy that it's looking that they'll get some options making them a distinctive flavor.

I'm glad it also appears at first glance that they're getting some options that give them some "power"...possibly making them competetive.

I'm glad that GW will be selling tons of new models with this rehash.

Now lemme tell you why in my opinion, this codex is stupid.

Is ANOTHER LR varient really necessary? THIS soon? ...and an ASSAULT CANNON varient?

I'm sorry but it really just strikes me as not only dumb, but rather redundant with the crusader around (assuming it doesnt just simply make the Crusader obsolete)

So I guess every space marine chapter from here on out is going to get their own Land Raider? (except DA of course) Or every Marine codex gets a new LR varient? Look out Blood Angels, go ahead and be ready to see your Plasma Raider varient...its coming. Two twin linked plasma cannons and a double stacked twin linked plasma gun on the center mount.

I dont like it, but that is the least of the silliness that we will soon call Space Wolves.

My main beef...Fenris Wolves.

First, they were nothing, just extra models to paint up along side ragnar to take into battle. This is as it should've been, I mean, they're dogs, standing next to a marine....I dont think a marine that can throw a volkswagon at you needs some flea-bitten mutt nipping at your heels for "help".

Next, we had the 3e codex, now we give those dogs a statline and special rules that help their master in combat. Well...hmmm...Okay, we'll let that slide.

Then, we had Eye of Terror, now we're starting to get stupid here. We've got packs of trained attack dogs that are as strong, skilled, tough, and as resolute as full blown space marines in combat...just no power armour. Oh yea, and they were faster (and cheaper). I mean, they're "Wolves" right? ( I cannot talk too much more here as I used to use 45 of them in my 1850 army...they were that good )

Now we have a giant space marine who stands 8' tall clad in ceremite armour....RIDING THEM? Can we please stop calling them wolves now...they're not wolves anymore. They're like doghorses or something. WTF do Space Marines need cavalry for anyway when they've got tanks and grav technology.

Dumb.

Have fun with your codex though, glad you got "what you wanted".

/facepalm

**BrassScorpion**

So I guess every space marine chapter from here on out is going to get their own Land Raider? (except DA of course)

Dark Angels and any and every kind of Chaos Marines. Except for the fun of adding cool Chaos themed decor to one's Land Raiders, Chaos Marine players are still playing only with the same basic version rules-wise they've had since Rogue Trader.

**Deadshane1**

I swear if wolf riders are "bloodcrusher" awesome and you can have armies of them somehow....

"shakes head"