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Once I was talking to somebody and they said that Space Marines ruin 40k and makes the Games workshop look bad (I hope I don't come accross as trolling). And then he said that they look stupid and comical in their bulky power armour. Then he said that they make the game unbalanced and 40k would be alot better without any kind of marine. Also he says that when-ever sombody comes in taking the mick of warhammer they always went to the space marines first putting on a stupid voice, saying things like "wow space marines" sarcasticly. I was quite gob-smacked at what this person said, what do you think??

I think he's a dill weed, and if I ever see him in person, i'll kick him in the nuts while screaming "for the emperor"

seriously, he sounds like a dick who is bad at the game. Marines are NOT unbalanced, hell, i'll say they are the most evenly balanced army out there.

That person must really hate space marines to the point where hes venting his anger trying to get other people to see his side. Space marines make up the bulk of 40k players, and just about nearly every player has had at some point thought about playing marines (or chaos for that matter, they are still a 'marine') or have played as marines. As far as they ruin 40k and make GW look bad? That could be far from the truth, space marines are GWs top seller. And it seems like every time I bring someone new into the hobby, they pick up space marines first, and I often tell them everything about every army before they make their choice. People want to be the hardcore badass superhumans that are saving the human race (or destroying it if your chaos.) Try not to believe everything you hear lol.

Horst wrote:I think he's a dill weed, and if I ever see him in person, i'll kick him in the nuts while screaming "for the emperor"

Sigged .

Firstly, there would be a giant hole in the fluff without Space Marines. Secondly, if he thinks they make the game unbalanced, he must not know how to play the game because Space Marines are no better than some of the other armies. That guy's probably just got his panties in a bunc because he got his ass kicked by one-to-many 12-years-olds with Spehss Mehrehns. That or he's a whiney Necron/Dark Eldar player who's pissy they don't have a new codex.

Horst wrote:I think he's a dill weed, and if I ever see him in person, i'll kick him in the nuts while screaming "for the emperor"

seriously, he sounds like a dick who is bad at the game. Marines are NOT unbalanced, hell, i'll say they are the most evenly balanced army out there.

Normally you don't get an answer this good until the second page or so. It's one step away from "L2P, N00B" but it's all we really need in this case.

Without Marines, there is no 40k. Most of the fluff is about them or from their point of view, and they make up the bulk of GW's sales. Space Marines pay the bills to let GW do new and interesting things. If they didn't have the safety net of Space Marines, risky things like terrain kits, Apocalypse super heavies, and some stranger xenos races wouldn't be a reality.

I agree.

Just because he supports the "Underdogs" doesn't mean he has some "Moral high ground" bulls**t.

I get it, there is a lot of Games Workshop's attention directed at marines, but honestly just because the majority of the people play them doesn't mean they're somehow worse.

The would no be barely ever 40k novels without the Spacez Marinez and the fluff would make less sense.

I think his unbalanced comment may stem from the fact that since marines are so prevalent it makes 3+ the average save.

Ummm...lets see no SM means no CSM. Agree with horst they have to be the most balanced army of the game. I think this guys problem is just that he hates them because they are so popular and hence get the most attention.

The 40k universe would be a lot less cartoony without SMs and CSMs, imo. They are just designed very poorly is all. If SMs looked more like Spartans from Halo or some other super soldier with less ridiculous looking armor, I think they'd be a more welcome addition. But as they are, I personally think 40k would be much more interesting and cool without them. IG and LatD would be more than sufficient as the best and worst of humanity.

Do they ruin the game? Nah. If you don't like em, don't play them. If you wanna play em, go ahead. But don't get all bent out of shape if your opponent looks disdainfully upon your lack of originality while tabling you in 4 turns because he's got beating SMs down to an exact science after fighting them for hundreds of consecutive games.

Personally, I just want to fight something else for a change. I guess that ruins the game in some regard, but at least I win!

I would disagree with some of your posts Archonate.
Because most lore comes from Space marines i.e the horus hersey.
The Space Marines are so well balanced that they can do anything from drop pod marines or tank rush or imperial guard stlye (lots of men.) or eldar fast raid.
Also some people refuse to see that space marines are probaly one of the greatess ways to get started in this hobby.

Plus its only because i hate ultra i have to say that the only reason why people would hate space marines is because of the ultra marines.

Also i heard that as well this one guy who was a Tau player was pissed with the combat tactics rule where they can choose to pass or fail a morale check and then they regroup next turn thanks to their and they shall know no fear. That is the only thing that makes them cheap apparently but no one does that -.-. so this guy has problems.

Marines not only fit that "good guy" character role that is needed in the 40K universe, they are also just fun to play. I can't stand people like this. Ok so without SM, no CSM, the Emprah is still alive and well, the Nids are more dangerous, no DH, and no SOB since there is no inspiration for them. SM are a serious crux in holding together the fluff and balance of the 40K universe.

The marines were first army to be introduced,they are "spirit" of 40k.

Space Marines are alright, hell I play em!

I think the persons just a sore prick, Space Marines have earned their keep into 40k imo Horus Heresy is the only real fluff Ive "cared" about. And on a 8 foot tall mutated human. Power Armor would look just fine.

Brother SRM wrote:

Horst wrote:I think he's a dill weed, and if I ever see him in person, i'll kick him in the nuts while screaming "for the emperor"

seriously, he sounds like a dick who is bad at the game. Marines are NOT unbalanced, hell, i'll say they are the most evenly balanced army out there.

Normally you don't get an answer this good until the second page or so. It's one step away from "L2P, N00B" but it's all we really need in this case.

Without Marines, there is no 40k. Most of the fluff is about them or from their point of view, and they make up the bulk of GW's sales. Space Marines pay the bills to let GW do new and interesting things. If they didn't have the safety net of Space Marines, risky things like terrain kits, Apocalypse super heavies, and some stranger xenos races wouldn't be a reality.

Feth that! That's not taking into account the most important thing: Without Spehss Mehreens... in Spehss... Making simmuln-taneous drops, there'd be no Boreale! And without Boreale, there'd be no Dawn of Awesome!

I do think GW spends too much time and attention on the Marines, but I don't think they ruin it at all. They have some great conversion opportunities and they play a huge part in the fluff. Without Marines, there'd be no Horus Heresy and thus, no 40K.

Gotta keep in mind that marines more than likely make up 50% of all of GW's proffits.
So of course they will keep making new models and books for them.
If you have an idea that works, why do something different?

Yeah, without the Space Marines we'd be playing Brighthammer 40k.

Space Marines are Grimdark incarnate. Their rediculously massive walking church armor and fully automatic rocket launcher as a standard issue weapon define the over-the-top grittiness that is 40k.

DarkHound wrote:Yeah, without the Space Marines we'd be playing Brighthammer 40k.

Space Marines are Grimdark incarnate. Their rediculously massive walking church armor and fully automatic rocket launcher as a standard issue weapon define the over-the-top grittiness that is 40k.

And all that Bald & Screaming... Oh, the Bald & Screaming

Space Marines arent my favorite (with the exception of angry marines) but I have to admit they are very fluff important (Iguard cant do it all) and profit wise for GW, without the marines I think most of us would be playing paperhammer 40k.

We wouldn't be playing anythinghammer because there'd be no Horus Heresy, no Space Marines to unify Terra, and no Power Armour to make the Emprah invincible.

I thought it was the generator attatched to his golden toilet that makes him invincible?

The real prob with SMs is there are too many of them.

I know they are the most popular, profitable, etc but the effect is a lot of the time the game seems like Spacemarienhammer40K with a few aliens added.

That's why SMs don't usually do well at tournaments.

You know... one of his arguments was that their armour looked stupid. So? The guy uses an esthetic flaw as an argument for them unbalancing the game. Besides, every player of every RTS game, miniwar game, and mmorpg hates at least one race for their appearence or cheapness. He probly just hates them for their popularity but wants to give him self a better reason for hating them.

I don't mind Marines in principle, but I wish they weren't the primary source of income for GW. If, say, 75 percent of the profit were evenly distributed between Marines, Chaos, Eldar, Orks, and Guard, I think 40k would be a better game.

That being said, I don't hate them and I definitely understand why GW puts as much time and money into them as they do.

Kilkrazy wrote:The real prob with SMs is there are too many of them.

I know they are the most popular, profitable, etc but the effect is a lot of the time the game seems like Spacemarienhammer40K with a few aliens added.

That's why SMs don't usually do well at tournaments.

That's more or less what I'm saying, but with the aphorism that they look silly.

Their balance is fine. Their fluff is fine.

To say that 'without SMs there's no emperor' is silly. One could easily say that SMs slowly went extinct as the technology required to maintain their armor and equipment was lost over time. Now the emperor is the last one... TaDaa! Saved the fluff and removed SMs in one stroke.

They're here to stay. They don't ruin the game except by their ridiculous abundance. But that is GWs fault. It serves my win/lose ratio very well, but the game gets a little less fun every time I fight the same army.

Everyone here seems to be in the holiday spirit especially JD21290s avatar schwing. Anywho i think this is just leaning back towards "Why hate Ultramarines" or other similar threads dissing SM. I am not a big fan of them except fanatical chapters like BTs, Inquisition, BAs.

Nah they don't ruin the game I just would like less attention on them that all. Since 40k is about having a diverse background and history not just SM. He probably pissed at all the attention they are getting or just hate the number of marine players or something. Either way they don't ruin the game.

And without SM we lose valuable things like...CS Goto's brilliant literature

JEB_Stuart wrote:And without SM we lose valuable things like...CS Goto's brilliant literature

Ah yes all hail the might multi lasers and rhino/landraider/rhino/landraider.

erm...NO! They are an essential part of 40k, without them 40k wouldn't be the same anymore...and i'd have to find something else to kill!!