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stjohn70 wrote:Too slow... by three seconds

The story of my life.

dnt know if this has been said...dont feel like lookin thru 10 pages, but lysander gives his army (maybe just the termies?) some special rules, he has a strength 10 thunder hammer, and storm shields will now confer a 3+ invulnerable (possibly so people will star using more termy combat squads and not just insane amounts of assault cannons)

Wow you really should at least read the first page before posting stuff we've known for weeks.

Thanks Lormax for all the pics while they were there!
Can I get one more thing from you?
How does the Marine commander/chapter master Orbital bombardment work?

I'd love to contribute to the Q&A but for some reason my work didn't receive the advance copy of the marine dex last week.

H.B.M.C. wrote:How come the White Scar guy doesn't automatically come with a Bike? I see he makes Bikes Troops.

He makes Bikes troops if you choose to have him ride Moondrakkan, same as a regular Captain does when equipped with a Bike. I guess it's just in case you want him to join with a foot squad? Oddly considerate. At least they didn't drop the ball and forget to give him the option of riding one... like how Captain Shrike (and regular Captains with Jump Packs) let you take a Command Squad, but the Command Squad has no option to take Jump Packs. Did they just really want you to give your HQs Bikes, since they did remember to give Command Squads a Bike option? Of course, nothing says you have to attach any of your HQs to the Command Squad at all, strangely enough, but... isn't that the point of a Command Squad?

bejustorbedead wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:How come the White Scar guy doesn't automatically come with a Bike? I see he makes Bikes Troops.

He makes Bikes troops if you choose to have him ride Moondrakkan, same as a regular Captain does when equipped with a Bike. I guess it's just in case you want him to join with a foot squad? Oddly considerate. At least they didn't drop the ball and forget to give him the option of riding one... like how Captain Shrike (and regular Captains with Jump Packs) let you take a Command Squad, but the Command Squad has no option to take Jump Packs. Did they just really want you to give your HQs Bikes, since they did remember to give Command Squads a Bike option? Of course, nothing says you have to attach any of your HQs to the Command Squad at all, strangely enough, but... isn't that the point of a Command Squad?

Does placing a Master on a Bike confer the same FOC bonus, or just the Captain?

Jive Professor wrote:Does placing a Master on a Bike confer the same FOC bonus, or just the Captain?

Chapter Master doesn't have the Mounted Assault special rule listed for him, so it's just the Captain, unfortunately. You'd think it would be the other way around, or even both, but no.

Also, Stan Bush's "The Touch" is now stuck in my head. Arg.

Apparently there are no all-biker Chapters, but some Chapters have all-biker Companies.

I'm sure there are all-Biker Chapters out there, somewhere. The White Scars aren't one of 'em - as they use some different forces - all of them mobile, but not all of them bikes.

This new Codex allows you to do a very nice White Scar or Ravenwing army, in the same way the Chaos Codex allows you to make a nice Night Lord or... oh wait no the Chaos Codex doesn't do that at all...

I look forward, actually, to seeing the Legions return when the Marine Codex comes out. We can do far better Legion armies with this Codex than we can with the CSM one.

BYE

Foda_Bett wrote:Thanks Lormax for all the pics while they were there!
Can I get one more thing from you?
How does the Marine commander/chapter master Orbital bombardment work?

I'd love to contribute to the Q&A but for some reason my work didn't receive the advance copy of the marine dex last week.

Thanks Foda. The SM Commander page is one of those that I didn't shoot on purpose, so that I wouldn't have pictures of 100% of the information. I'll find that out for you on Tuesday though and post up the answer.

bejustorbedead wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:How come the White Scar guy doesn't automatically come with a Bike? I see he makes Bikes Troops.

He makes Bikes troops if you choose to have him ride Moondrakkan, same as a regular Captain does when equipped with a Bike. I guess it's just in case you want him to join with a foot squad? Oddly considerate. At least they didn't drop the ball and forget to give him the option of riding one... like how Captain Shrike (and regular Captains with Jump Packs) let you take a Command Squad, but the Command Squad has no option to take Jump Packs. Did they just really want you to give your HQs Bikes, since they did remember to give Command Squads a Bike option? Of course, nothing says you have to attach any of your HQs to the Command Squad at all, strangely enough, but... isn't that the point of a Command Squad?

To touch on this, he only makes bike squads of five models or more Troops. Moondrakkan, his bike, is also extra points for him as well.

bejustorbedead wrote:

Jive Professor wrote:Does placing a Master on a Bike confer the same FOC bonus, or just the Captain?

Chapter Master doesn't have the Mounted Assault special rule listed for him, so it's just the Captain, unfortunately. You'd think it would be the other way around, or even both, but no.

Also, Stan Bush's "The Touch" is now stuck in my head. Arg.

The first part is a little od. I guess they're trying to differentiate more between the different wound-leves for characters.

The second part is my plan for Dakka. Mwhahahaha!

I'm glad White Scars are getting more love, I was always struck by the image of them riding out of the gates of the Imperial Palace.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I'm sure there are all-Biker Chapters out there, somewhere. The White Scars aren't one of 'em - as they use some different forces - all of them mobile, but not all of them bikes.

This new Codex allows you to do a very nice White Scar or Ravenwing army, in the same way the Chaos Codex allows you to make a nice Night Lord or... oh wait no the Chaos Codex doesn't do that at all...

I look forward, actually, to seeing the Legions return when the Marine Codex comes out. We can do far better Legion armies with this Codex than we can with the CSM one.

BYE

Actually I've already turned my Berzerkers into Black Templar along with WHFB Chaos Warriors (other useless models) and the army is really shaping up nicely.

Now I just need to figure out which chapter my Black Legion could best "count as".

bejustorbedead wrote:At least they didn't drop the ball and forget to give him the option of riding one... like how Captain Shrike (and regular Captains with Jump Packs) let you take a Command Squad, but the Command Squad has no option to take Jump Packs. Did they just really want you to give your HQs Bikes, since they did remember to give Command Squads a Bike option? Of course, nothing says you have to attach any of your HQs to the Command Squad at all, strangely enough, but... isn't that the point of a Command Squad?

I think they did this on purpose so that BA jump pack command squads would be "special". This same rationale is used to justify CSM not getting drop pods (even though they use them all the time in the fluff) and DA not getting 2-shot cyclone missile launchers. You see, GW has decided that there has to be at least 5 different marine codices and this means that they need to invent ways for them to be different (usually for no good reason). So while you might think that out of all the hundreds of marine chapters at least a few of them would have command squads with jump packs, nope, they don't - for some inexplicable reason only BA do.

Just when you thought the existence of umpteen unnecessary variant marine codices couldn't get any more annoying...

tomguycot wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:I'm sure there are all-Biker Chapters out there, somewhere. The White Scars aren't one of 'em - as they use some different forces - all of them mobile, but not all of them bikes.

This new Codex allows you to do a very nice White Scar or Ravenwing army, in the same way the Chaos Codex allows you to make a nice Night Lord or... oh wait no the Chaos Codex doesn't do that at all...

I look forward, actually, to seeing the Legions return when the Marine Codex comes out. We can do far better Legion armies with this Codex than we can with the CSM one.

BYE

Actually I've already turned my Berzerkers into Black Templar along with WHFB Chaos Warriors (other useless models) and the army is really shaping up nicely.

Now I just need to figure out which chapter my Black Legion could best "count as".

You're kidding, right?

The current CSM Codex, while bad at many things, probably does an OK job of letting you field a Black Legion force...

I just can't bring myself to use Space Marine rules for my Chaos Space Marines. Breaks my black heart seeing it goes this way for so many people. But by the Four we are such a bland list

It's like GW really wants to sell Space Marines...........

LOL

From our friends at Warseer (via the B&C, I think!), a picture of the Salamanders' Special Character:


http://warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=45341&d=1220980586

Alpharius wrote:
You're kidding, right?

The current CSM Codex, while bad at many things, probably does an OK job of letting you field a Black Legion force...

I know that you can make a good viable list with the Chaos book. I have never said otherwise. It just bores me to tears compared to what it used to be.

Anarchyman99 wrote:It's like GW really wants to sell Space Marines...........

LOL

like space marines are all they're worried about selling...
theyd sell dirt at $35 a box if they had the imagination to think up the fluff for it...

krusty wrote:

Anarchyman99 wrote:It's like GW really wants to sell Space Marines...........

LOL

like space marines are all they're worried about selling...
theyd sell dirt at $35 a box if they had the imagination to think up the fluff for it...

That is pretty damn funny! Maybe it could be dirt from Terra?

Alpharius wrote:The current CSM Codex, while bad at many things, probably does an OK job of letting you field a Black Legion force...

But the Marine Codex does a better job.

BYE

Alpharius wrote:From our friends at Warseer (via the B&C, I think!), a picture of the Salamanders' Special Character:


http://warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=45341&d=1220980586

I like it, even though it kinda looks like he's wailing on a Halbred-guitar.

...which would be even better!

just a few quick questions for you lormax

How much are the bike squads initially? I know each additional bike is 25pts but i cant remember the squad price.
Whats the price of the special weapons/cc weapons (pretty sure same price as tacs but want to be sure)
Attack Bikes are 50pts each right? with the multimeta upgrade costing 10pts?

Thanks man

General Question, since you can make bike squads as troops with a reg cap (on a bike) and the White Scars special char. Are there any real advantages to not taking the special char other than not wanting a named guy?

If only my FLGS wasnt an hour and a half a way

twigg wrote:General Question, since you can make bike squads as troops with a reg cap (on a bike) and the White Scars special char. Are there any real advantages to not taking the special char other than not wanting a named guy?

The main benefit of the White Scar guy is giving all your bikes a flank march ability (I think). I personally think the non-special character option is the best though, as Ravenwing players will flock to use a list that doesn't require the same special character to lead their army in every game, and they actually get options.

BYE

^

I think the Ravenguard list is better than a Capt. led SM bike force. For starters we get the scout special rule, so while you need scouts to get that turn one charge we can do it with our regular bikes. Second they are fearless. May not be as good now as it was last edition but its still a bonus. Third, have you acutally seen our bikes? They are totally freaking rad man!!!

Scar Weaver wrote:

krusty wrote:

Anarchyman99 wrote:It's like GW really wants to sell Space Marines...........

LOL

like space marines are all they're worried about selling...
theyd sell dirt at $35 a box if they had the imagination to think up the fluff for it...

That is pretty damn funny! Maybe it could be dirt from Terra?

Official GW sandbag filling material for modelling trenches.

twigg wrote:How much are the bike squads initially? I know each additional bike is 25pts but i cant remember the squad price.
Whats the price of the special weapons/cc weapons (pretty sure same price as tacs but want to be sure)
Attack Bikes are 50pts each right? with the multimeta upgrade costing 10pts?

General Question, since you can make bike squads as troops with a reg cap (on a bike) and the White Scars special char. Are there any real advantages to not taking the special char other than not wanting a named guy?

1. 90 to start with
2. Sarge has the same points costs as a sarge from a tac squad. Two bikers from the squad can be given specials...(Flamer 5)(Melta 10)(Plasma 15)
3. Attack Bikes are 40, 10 more for the multi-melta

What HBMC said. Khan (White Scars guy), gives ALL UNITS in the army Outflank, including dedicated transports. He also gives himself and the unit he is attached to hit and run and furious charge.

Lormax wrote:

1. 90 to start with
2. Sarge has the same points costs as a sarge from a tac squad. Two bikers from the squad can be given specials...(Flamer 5)(Melta 10)(Plasma 15)
3. Attack Bikes are 40, 10 more for the multi-melta

What HBMC said. Khan (White Scars guy), gives ALL UNITS in the army Outflank, including dedicated transports. He also gives himself and the unit he is attached to hit and run and furious charge.

That's sexy. When I heard about White Scars getting some love, I've thought seriously about starting my first loyalist army. Now that's it's official I need to set aside some dough.

Alpharius wrote:You're kidding, right?

The current CSM Codex, while bad at many things, probably does an OK job of letting you field a Black Legion force...

Yeah, as long as your Black Legion force likes Fzorgle and Obliterators then Codex: Fzorglebliterator is the bee's knees!

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

Alpharius wrote:You're kidding, right?

The current CSM Codex, while bad at many things, probably does an OK job of letting you field a Black Legion force...

Yeah, as long as your Black Legion force likes Fzorgle and Obliterators then Codex: Fzorglebliterator is the bee's knees!

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