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Wolves don't count as scoring IIRC from the rumours I have read.

Lurker wrote:Wolves don't count as scoring IIRC from the rumours I have read.

Correct.

I want this Codex to have a real curve-ball rule that throws off everyone's assumptions - like WGT's being worth 1 KP each, or how nothing in the army can score - something idiotic like that.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I want this Codex to have a real curve-ball rule that throws off everyone's assumptions - like WGT's being worth 1 KP each, or how nothing in the army can score - something idiotic like that.

The only way to win is to KILL EVERYTHING!

Strangely fitting, I think.

So is it just me or are the psychic powers some serious scarytown? 3d6 str 7 shots? Kill anything in a line that fails an initiative test? These are all powers that the 100 point rune priest gets..?

Primaris Psyker: 2d6 str6 ap5, 24".
Rune Priest: 3d6 str7 ap(5 I think? I forgot) infinite range

Primaris Psyker: 70 points, guardsmen stats
Rune Priest: 100 points, space marine stats

The rune priest blows the primaris out of the water...

ph34r wrote:So is it just me or are the psychic powers some serious scarytown? 3d6 str 7 shots? Kill anything in a line that fails an initiative test? These are all powers that the 100 point rune priest gets..?

Primaris Psyker: 2d6 str6 ap5, 24".
Rune Priest: 3d6 str7 ap(5 I think? I forgot) infinite range

Primaris Psyker: 70 points, guardsmen stats
Rune Priest: 100 points, space marine stats

The rune priest blows the primaris out of the water...

Well, if memory serves Imperials could buy an inquisitor with a psychic hood, that'll give you a chance at least.

I'm starting to like this army. Not for it being "OTT" but for the style of the army. The new SW have a cinematic quality to them and a uniqueness that most other armies do not.

It's making me want to collect a huge army of everything they can have because the fluff and models are very appealing.

Damn you GW.

radiohazard wrote:I'm starting to like this army. Not for it being "OTT" but for the style of the army. The new SW have a cinematic quality to them and a uniqueness that most other armies do not.

It's making me want to collect a huge army of everything they can have because the fluff and models are very appealing.

Damn you GW.

I am in very much this boat.

Got to read the codex today and the fluff and rules in it just make me want to collect another 5000 point army along side of my chaos, and SW are making a bloody good go at it. The are very very very tempting. Meaning i am practically guaranteed to buy something.

One of my friends has just come up with an idea. Problem is, I don't no if I should slap him, thank him for a good idea or just walk away nodding politely.

Here goes:

He-Man - Wolf Lord.
Mounted on Thunderwolf, Frost Blade, Storm Shield, Saga of the Bear.

Basically he's given me the idea to create all the main characters from Masters of the Universe as characters from the SW and have the base troops as Eternian Guard with the Orange and Green colour scheme.

I must admit, as a modelling project, it has me intrigued.

He-Man as a wolf lord on battlecat. Man at arms as a Iron Priest, all the other characters as WGBLs???

Lord help me. I hate it when people give me ideas like this.

radiohazard wrote:One of my friends has just come up with an idea. Problem is, I don't no if I should slap him, thank him for a good idea or just walk away nodding politely.

Here goes:

He-Man - Wolf Lord.
Mounted on Thunderwolf, Frost Blade, Storm Shield, Saga of the Bear.

Basically he's given me the idea to create all the main characters from Masters of the Universe as characters from the SW and have the base troops as Eternian Guard with the Orange and Green colour scheme.

I must admit, as a modelling project, it has me intrigued.

He-Man as a wolf lord on battlecat. Man at arms as a Iron Priest, all the other characters as WGBLs???

Lord help me. I hate it when people give me ideas like this.

I freind of mine has been making a He man based C:SM army, His Skelator looks good [of course his IG are based on COBRA]
I love themed Armys, my IG is "Lord Anibis's Patrol Detachmant: the LAPD. The problem is giving all of those IG MAG Lights for CCW

The idea of cobra IG is good.

I think I'm going to test the colour scheme of the eternian guard when I get the time.

I don't want to start another army, I have Tau and I was going to start Orks.

GW has sucked me in again. All I need is a sculptor to create a battlecat for my lord. Failing that I'll just have to have him on foot.

You don't need a battlecat, the Wolf from the SW range looks more like a Lynx than a wolf anyway.

radiohazard wrote:One of my friends has just come up with an idea. Problem is, I don't no if I should slap him, thank him for a good idea or just walk away nodding politely.

Here goes:

He-Man - Wolf Lord.
Mounted on Thunderwolf, Frost Blade, Storm Shield, Saga of the Bear.

Basically he's given me the idea to create all the main characters from Masters of the Universe as characters from the SW and have the base troops as Eternian Guard with the Orange and Green colour scheme.

I must admit, as a modelling project, it has me intrigued.

He-Man as a wolf lord on battlecat. Man at arms as a Iron Priest, all the other characters as WGBLs???

Lord help me. I hate it when people give me ideas like this.

WOW that is a cool idea. You are right that the modeling would be difficult. You could maybe use Catachan arms for your over muscled hero. I would love to see that on the table.

radiohazard wrote:The idea of cobra IG is good.

I think I'm going to test the colour scheme of the eternian guard when I get the time.

I don't want to start another army, I have Tau and I was going to start Orks.

GW has sucked me in again. All I need is a sculptor to create a battlecat for my lord. Failing that I'll just have to have him on foot.

Check the $1 stores, some times the cheesey plastic animals are the right size and look, also that wolf puppy and rider GW made could look right with the corect paint job, my 1st thought when i saw it was CUTE, the second was, hay a smiladon

Number9dream might actually be right. I don't think I'll need a sculptor at all.

Well that's another project for the list.

Bikeninja wrote:

radiohazard wrote:One of my friends has just come up with an idea. Problem is, I don't no if I should slap him, thank him for a good idea or just walk away nodding politely.

Here goes:

He-Man - Wolf Lord.
Mounted on Thunderwolf, Frost Blade, Storm Shield, Saga of the Bear.

Basically he's given me the idea to create all the main characters from Masters of the Universe as characters from the SW and have the base troops as Eternian Guard with the Orange and Green colour scheme.

I must admit, as a modelling project, it has me intrigued.

He-Man as a wolf lord on battlecat. Man at arms as a Iron Priest, all the other characters as WGBLs???

Lord help me. I hate it when people give me ideas like this.

WOW that is a cool idea. You are right that the modeling would be difficult. You could maybe use Catachan arms for your over muscled hero. I would love to see that on the table.

please, son... the MASTER of the universe needs plastic ogre arms on a true scale marine body to do him justice. as for skeletor, i guess that'd make him a chaos sorcerer (or to be fair, a daemon prince with the mark of tzeentch to let him at least have a chance against canis).

bravelybravesirrobin wrote:

Oh yes don't get me wrong. This power is the carni killer. But some users are claiming it is the most broken power in the game. so lets examine the utility a little. The line is straight but thin and the majority of troops in the game have an init at least of 3. That is a 50% chance of killing them, worse vs marines and eldar and you won't hit that many models.

If you focus on MEQs, then this power isn't that bad. It's pretty devastating to tau, orks, nids, necrons and daemons, at the very least.

Orks, Tau and Necrons because they've got a low initiative to begin with, and it shouldn't be too hard to get lines hitting multiple models in a squad. A Veiled Lord + Immortals easily gets you two immortals and the lord, maybe more. Tau crisis suits and broadsides are in the same boat - I2, so they're dead 2/3rds of the time, and with 40mm bases and a coherency requirement, it's not going to be hard to zap a bunch of them either. And orks, with their whopping I2 will drop like flies. Firing into a mob could net 8 easily, and the effectiveness is only increased against larger ork toyz. If it works against walkers, all the kans and dreads go out the window.

Nids and Daemons stand to lose their big guys ridiculously easily, and both have units of larger-base models that mean scoring multiple hits very easily.

Against the majority of IC's you're looking at an init of 4 or 5 so the power has a less than 50% chance of working and requires a psychic test and a positional element. Sure you could kill Vulcan in one shot but it really isn't that much more effective than zogwort at doing this and he isn't a game breaker.

I wouldn't say this power is designed to be used on ICs. But, you bring up a good point - comparing it to the other similar powers in the game;

Zogwort's power: Psychic test, Hits a single target, 18" range, restricted to ICs, fixed 42% chance of working (math left as exercise to reader)
Gift of Chaos: Psychic test, Hits a single target, 6" range, Toughness test required
Boon of Mutation: to-hit roll, hits a single target, 6" range, toughness test required
Space Wolf Power: Psychic test, hits multiple targets, 24" range, initiative test required

So, the space wolf power wins in terms of range. It is the only power of this nature that can hit multiple targets. And, it requires an initiative test, rather than a toughness test to avoid. This is notable because there are no T1 models in the game, and the few T2 models (ratlings and grots) are fairly inexpensive. Comparatively, there are extremely expensive I1 models in the game.

Don't get me wrong guys this is a really powerful power and it is going to suck for nidzilla players (boo hoo) but I hardly think we're looking at the new lash here.

I think we are. In terms of what this power does to non-meq lists, it's just sick. Wipe out an entire unit of crisis suits without batting an eyelid. Drop three nids in one pop. It's not lash, in that there won't be a list designed around it. Lash is a power that is a force multiplier, it makes other things (defilers/vindicators/obliterators/berserkers) better. This power doesn't need any synergy with the rest of the army. It is just an easy add-on to any list that gives you a huge advantage over anyone running an army that isn't I4-based, and that still gives you a 1/6 chance of popping any enemy model.

You're not going to see twin-Maw lists, but you'll see it in every space wolf list and it will put them well over the top in terms of competitiveness, while rendering several other archetypes obsolete.

How is this the new lash? Lash feths over your movement, this feths over units at a time.
This beats lash hands down.
I think taking a libby was a good idea now lol, i think taking mephiston as a 2nd libby may be a better idea.

From the rumors so far this all seems somewhat over powered, but rumors dont make rules, so ill save my comment for when the dex arrives

I am really torn. I like the idea of more terminators all over the place, but the possibilities for were-wolf marines that count as scary wolf riders with swarms of thrall wolves is dead sexy too.

Wehrkind wrote:I am really torn. I like the idea of more terminators all over the place, but the possibilities for were-wolf marines that count as scary wolf riders with swarms of thrall wolves is dead sexy too.

Do what I going to Do
1st Company: Logan and Bjorn with a Loganwing
2nd Company: Ragnar and Ulrik with GH & BC
3rd Company: Canis and Cav

Build each company to 2,000-3,000 pts, then mix and mach

It's not the new lash, it's the new MAW. This power will replace everything we've ever seen as the new broken game-winner hands-down.

If it works exactly as we've seen in these sneak-peeks, no SW army will be without it and you will hear the frustrated groans of Nid, Daemon, and Ork players all throughout the gaming halls. If you don't have a solid anti-psyker power ready, you are well and truly screwed once a turn while he's on the table. Especially if he is on a bike or transported, as Redbeard noted.

A bit dramatic, but so true. Thanks again, GW! The models look great and most of the rules seem fair, but some of those special characters are nuts.

- Blackbone

Who was it who quoted that this is turning into herohammer 40k?
i think this is about the right time to say he was right

I guess the way its going there is only a few things you really can do.

Grabbing a libby or 2 sounds nice.


also, i was just wondering why they decided on 4 characters here.
They done it for the daemons dex due to space issues for the amount of characters, think this is the same reason? or maybe just thier new style?

It's because everyone who is a real Space Wolf Player (i.e. the ones who kept using the "crap" codex) have 4 or 5 HQ Choices as we needed 3 or 4 in a decent sized game.

This is what Im going to do.

Get the new Power armor Sprues, and buy 2 boxes of new Wolf Guard Terminators

get all of the new special character minis

Add them to my existing 10k points worth of Space Wolves

host an Apocalypse match, me VS 3 of my freinds and their armies

Win.

so whats the plan the Gwar?

4 frothing mad special characters with insane rules - 1,000 points.
units of frothing mad marines with some decent rules - 1,000 points.


CHARGE!!!

Anpu42 wrote:

Wehrkind wrote:I am really torn. I like the idea of more terminators all over the place, but the possibilities for were-wolf marines that count as scary wolf riders with swarms of thrall wolves is dead sexy too.

Do what I going to Do
1st Company: Logan and Bjorn with a Loganwing
2nd Company: Ragnar and Ulrik with GH & BC
3rd Company: Canis and Cav

Build each company to 2,000-3,000 pts, then mix and mach

Hehe that's exactly the problem! I want to do just that, but the last thing I need is another 3/4 built counts as army. My LatD are starting to give me nightmares again as it is.

JD21290 wrote:so whats the plan the Gwar?

4 frothing mad special characters with insane rules - 1,000 points.
units of frothing mad marines with some decent rules - 1,000 points.


CHARGE!!!

Actually, my goal is to first get my hands on an old Njarl to go with my Old Bjorn and Old Ragnar and Drop Pod in as many Grey Hunters as I can

I'm really hoping there's some sort of hitch to that Maw power. Talk about broken. Dear Jesus. Chain Lightning isn't exactly the most balanced thing I've seen, either. Give SW Librarians 5-6 (on average) autocannons that are assault instead of heavy? Why not? it's like having 2 dakka Predators in one model that can't be directly shot at for half the cost. That seems fair, right?

MilkmanAl wrote:I'm really hoping there's some sort of hitch to that Maw power. Talk about broken. Dear Jesus. Chain Lightning isn't exactly the most balanced thing I've seen, either. Give SW Librarians 5-6 (on average) autocannons that are assault instead of heavy? Why not? it's like having 2 dakka Predators in one model that can't be directly shot at for half the cost. That seems fair, right?

Native Fenrisians are Illiterate, Thus Space Wolves do not have Librarians, they have Rune Priests.

All Librarians are Psykers, not all Psykers are Librarians.

Semantics, it makes me a happy troll.

Actually, my goal is to first get my hands on an old Njarl to go with my Old Bjorn and Old Ragnar and Drop Pod in as many Grey Hunters as I can

old Njarl - fine
old bjorn - theres a new one?
old ragnar - only choice mate, no new one to be released (still a great model though)

So, how big are max sized squads?
And whats the transport capacity of a pod?