What role, if any, should Adeptus Arbites have in Codex: SoB 5th?

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**KamikazeCanuck**

Really? Cool.

**Kanluwen**

Manchu wrote:Paladins are immune to spirtual corruption and anathema to warp entities? I thought that was Purifiers? Also, isn't this tangent about GK pretty far off-topic?

Since we were using the archetypes of RPGs, seemingly, I was using one right there.

Y'know, the whole thing about Paladins being immune to spiritual corruption and the mere presence of a high level Paladin physically hurting many forms of demons and undead.

Aaaaaanyway. Book of Judgment for DH will be coming out later this year so we will definitely see a lot more of the Adeptus Arbites there.

Hrmh. You'd think they would have been in before now.

**Manchu**

Yes, they are covered (Arbitrator is a basic class in the core book; Judge is an "Ascended" class in the advanced play book) but the upcoming volume will be devoted to them much in the same way Blood of Martyrs was devoted to the Ecclesiarchy and Sisters.

**Kanluwen**

I have yet to buy Dark Heresy(or Rogue Trader for that matter) itself, just bought The Black Sepulchre on a whim.

Good to know they're somewhat represented.

**Manchu**

The IG are getting their own book, too.

Also, I believe an Arbites judge makes a cameo in some fairly recent BL novel. Was it Titanicus perhaps? I only remember that it was a very brief appearance.

**KamikazeCanuck**

Don't think it was Titanicus however there's an entire trilogy called Enforcer.

**Manchu**

Yeah, Matthew Farrer's Shira Calphurnia series. The one I am thinking of has one chapter about a judge meeting with an Imperial governor or something similar and basically being murdered/assassinated in that same chapter.

**withershadow**

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Not really. Guard at the behest on the Inquistion maybe, but I don't see Astartes bothering to go clear out an illegal mutant ghetto.

You can bet if a mutant ghetto cropped up on one of their planets (the ones that aren't deathworlds where mutant babies are fed to the -insert local predator- upon birth), the Astartes would wipe them out in short order. Of course, half the Space Marine chapters are illegal mutants anyway. Space Wolves for example need to be "killed with fire" ASAP.

Mutants deserve death. Filthy subhuman savages. By killing them we ensure they avoid their inevitable fall to Chaos, and by killing them with fire we ensure their corruption doesn't spread. Purge the Xenos, the Mutant and the Heretic! With Fire!

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4M2A wrote:While SoB are used they are still the force of the ecclesiarchy rather than the inquisition and so are harder for the inquisition to command. The arbites are much more common and will listen to an Inquisitor without question. They have a faster response time as they are already present on most planets. They fulfil the ordo hereticus needs perfectly in most situations.

Everyone listens to an Inquisitor's orders without question if they know what's good for them. If you accept the last codex' fluff as canon, the Sororitas are also the Chamber Militant of the Ordo Hereticus.

**KamikazeCanuck**

withershadow wrote:
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Not really. Guard at the behest on the Inquistion maybe, but I don't see Astartes bothering to go clear out an illegal mutant ghetto.

You can bet if a mutant ghetto cropped up on one of their planets (the ones that aren't deathworlds where mutant babies are fed to the -insert local predator- upon birth), the Astartes would wipe them out in short order. Of course, half the Space Marine chapters are illegal mutants anyway. Space Wolves for example need to be "killed with fire" ASAP.

Mutants deserve death. Filthy subhuman savages. By killing them we ensure they avoid their inevitable fall to Chaos, and by killing them with fire we ensure their corruption doesn't spread. Purge the Xenos, the Mutant and the Heretic! With Fire!

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4M2A wrote:While SoB are used they are still the force of the ecclesiarchy rather than the inquisition and so are harder for the inquisition to command. The arbites are much more common and will listen to an Inquisitor without question. They have a faster response time as they are already present on most planets. They fulfil the ordo hereticus needs perfectly in most situations.

Many worlds have mutant ghettos and their local neighborhood chapter doesn't care. They have better things to do than shoot unarmed slaves. Except Black Templars, they don't have anything better to do.
Anyways, you have very Puritan views - you'd make a good Sister.
Everyone listens to an Inquisitor's orders without question if they know what's good for them. If you accept the last codex' fluff as canon, the Sororitas are also the Chamber Militant of the Ordo Hereticus.

**Manchu**

Found this awesome pic of someone Arbites models.

Check out that cybermastiff! Bigger than I envision a possible Citadel redux but fething awesome.

Check out the rest here.

**JaqTaar**

Manchu wrote:Yes, they are covered (Arbitrator is a basic class in the core book; Judge is an "Ascended" class in the advanced play book) but the upcoming volume will be devoted to them much in the same way Blood of Martyrs was devoted to the Ecclesiarchy and Sisters.

There's also the Radical Handbook, which introduces the Mortiurge, basically an Arbites lone wolf secret but sanctioned assassin type guy.

Manchu wrote:One thing that I can't make up my mind about is the idea of having "Psy-Judges." The BoLS fandex has them as what seems to me to be a very obvious homage to Cassandra Anderson. On the one hand, I think the idea has potential. One wonders how psykers are dealt with on a more day-to-day basis and I'd guess something that serious would be dealt with by the Adeptus Arbites. So could there be a specialist ant-psyker Arbitrator squad? Would they themselves be psykers? That last notion is tempting, as the BoLS dex makes clear. But it doesn't really fit the universe, where psykers are not only widely loathed but also routinely rounded up and shipped to Terra.

The novel Execution Hour heavily features the Arbites (it's where the Arbites having a fleet of Strike Cruisers was first established I think). In it appears an Arbites psyker, called Truthseeker (though I'd guess that's a local designation).

Manchu wrote:The one I am thinking of has one chapter about a judge meeting with an Imperial governor or something similar and basically being murdered/assassinated in that same chapter.

I think that was in one of the Word Bearers novels. An Arbites Marshall executes the Governor for incompetence shortly before being killed himself (along with the rest of the government) when the throne room is bombed. Something along those lines.

Manchu wrote:
Check out that cybermastiff! Bigger than I envision a possible Citadel redux but fething awesome.

That'd be a Panther Securibot. Thanks for the picture. I had been looking for one that provides a size comparision with 40k.
Another nice alternate model is the D&D Iron Defender, which is about the same size as the Necromunda mastiff (just slightly smaller).

**Manchu**

JaqTaar wrote:The novel Execution Hour heavily features the Arbites (it's where the Arbites having a fleet of Strike Cruisers was first established I think). In it appears an Arbites psyker, called Truthseeker (though I'd guess that's a local designation).

Yes, I saw your post on Warseer about this. As far as can tell, that book is still in good-standing fluff-wise. It's currently being sold by BL as print-on-demand.

JaqTaar wrote:
Manchu wrote:The one I am thinking of has one chapter about a judge meeting with an Imperial governor or something similar and basically being murdered/assassinated in that same chapter.
I think that was in one of the Word Bearers novels. An Arbites Marshall executes the Governor for incompetence shortly before being killed himself (along with the rest of the government) when the throne room is bombed. Something along those lines.

THANK YOU! This was driving me nuts. What a forgetable book, by the way.

Manchu wrote:That'd be a Panther Securibot. Thanks for the picture. I had been looking for one that provides a size comparision with 40k.
Another nice alternate model is the D&D Iron Defender, which is about the same size as the Necromunda mastiff (just slightly smaller).

And THANK YOU again, this time for introducing me to Aberrant Games!

**Kanluwen**

'Slightly smaller' than the Necromunda mastiff must make it tiny since that thing is small.

**JaqTaar**

Here's a snapshot of the two cyber doggies along with an Arbitrator

**Kanluwen**

Way to spoil the surprise when I actually show off my cyberdoggy and Patrol Team in a bit.