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Awesome. I'm just getting in and had no interest in dealing with metals. Happy to see that long list of upcoming plastic Nids.

NAVARRO wrote:

Agamemnon2 wrote:The "why are you here?" argument is fatuous and insulting. Are new PP releases not also discussed here? Is not Infinity? Is not Cromlech, Reaper, MAS, etc? People who do not play GW games all the rights in the world to continue patronising this forum, and if you don't like it, perhaps it's you who should be leaving.

I hear Warseer is kinder to posters of your ilk.

I agree, at least with the first sentence... and even if people dont play or buy anymore they are as much entitled to comment as anyone else, its a public forum and you dont need to have "credentials" to be a part of a debate here.

Even more so, the ones who quit still remember liking the game. They still like to check up on it even though they are pissed off at the manufacturer. I still check out the new sets of MtG even though I don't play it anymore in hopes of discovering that they realized that they made mistakes and are correcting them.

I used to play paintball and although I do not anymore, I always go by the wal-mart paintball isle to look at the stuff.

Cadaver wrote:
Yes, because it wasn't the GW critic who asked me why I was here. Yes, I did raise the question back to him as given the information he provided at the time it seemed a hypocritical question. There's a difference between asking why you participate in GW discussions and being on Dakka in general. I don't understand why people who seemingly despise GW stay so active in discussions regarding the company. I realize there are plenty of people who are just passionate, but there are also those who want GW to burn to the ground. Very dramatic stuff. I think really when it comes down to it people like this want attention more than anything else.

Oh yeah, almost forgot, GW, BURN TO THE GROUND!!!

Yes, because you sure didn't post this:

Cadaver wrote: If people can't accept how they run their business, then they and I are free to no longer support them. The difference is, when I choose to no longer support a company, I don't continue to frequent their fan forums complaining about each and every future decision they make. I move on with my life.

It was the Gremlins right? Because you sure wouldn't insinuate that anyone that disagrees with GW should GTFO of the hobby right?

So, not only are you being deliberately obtuse to push a bad narrative, you're being actively dishonest. Off to the bozo-bin with you.

Kanluwen wrote:You want to write them a letter. Emails about anything that isn't missing orders go straight into the spam/junk folder.

Great input. Also not true. See below please.

Da Boss wrote:Have any of the previous letter writing campaigns or petitions achieved anything? GW don't seem to pay attention to them.

Have you ever taken part in one? How many have their honestly been? The reason these things don't work is that no-one actually does it, we all just sit around grizzling, but never actually doing anything about it.
Without customers, any retail outlet would fail literally overnight. They have no option but to listen if enough consumers speak up. If one person complains, they're likely to do nothing. There are 42,976 members of Dakka. If 10% of that number complained to GW, there would be action taken, mark my words.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Don't.
Write a letter.
On paper.
Sign it with your real name.
Address it to the President of the company.
Be polite, be firm. And if you make threats like 'I quit, I'm selling my armies' etc back them up.
Good luck.

Thanks for the advice Kid. I've complained to GW before (I shan't say what about, but it wasn't missing orders) by email and I checked all the boxes you've presented here. I got a personal telephone call from Head Office, and about £150 worth of plastic boxes sent to me. If you have a genuine gripe, and you take it up with them as an adult, then any company will facilitate you.

Cerebrium wrote:Also, for all the "why are you here" whinging I done, I apologize. The more I read about GW's new attitude, the more I find myself browsing PP products...

So yes, this is actually an apology on the internet. This feels strange. Like a thousand fanboys screaming suddenly hushed.

So that makes this the third time I've been vindicated today. Thank you.

Pacific wrote:I problem with all of this is the 'cancer' that lies at the heart of the company now. I advise everyone to read this very informative blogpost:

http://theback40k.blogspot.com/2011/04/help-kirby-is-eating-our-hobby.html

The point is, as made in the blog post I linked above, that the few people at the heart of the company, and running it, have sweet f-all interest in actually the hobby itself. .

Thanks for that excellent link, I don't think that most folks realize just what an incentive the CEO has to raise prices and pay dividends. He's doubling his income!

Cadaver wrote:Because it's alot easier for people to complain on a forum than even do something as easy as backing of their claims of leaving the hobby, let alone put their money down to profit off of GWs business practices.

DAWARBOSS wrote:Everybody saying that they want to leave the hobby,

These two posts unwittingly show the common mistake that many folks make by referring to it as "the hobby". GW isn't "the hobby", it's just one aspect, but even I've ocassionally referred to it as such in the past.

The apparent durability of that definiteion of that one phrase is likely a large part of why they've been able to sustain the incredible price hikes that they have. Folks who have drunk the kool-aid or don't know any better see GW as "the hobby". Those of us outside the bubble see it as a very large company with cool miniatures, but still only one aspect of the hobby.

Fenriswulf wrote:Here is the new US/Canadian pricing.
https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?pli=1&key=tIytonRUpm6fRkxpIjqcDzQ#gid=0
Wow. Resin versions of metal miniatures (which should be cheaper) are more expensive. And so is plastic.

Unbelievable. Cadian Shocktroops are about to be more than double . The cost they were when first introduced a few years ago. Get ready to pay $30 for a box of 10 insteaad of $25 for a box of 20!

I wish all our incomes had increaced at the same rate as GW prices!

I just checked out the list and see that most (if not all) Battleforces went up by $20. That does not make me happy, nor encourage new players to get into the game.

I totally understand that game companies need to make a profit or they disappear (hello Rackham). I also understand that price increases seem to be a fact of life these days, but some of the increases seem a little steep to me.

Some more details from Warseer:

Asensur wrote:Premium stores meeting with GW at Spain comes back with a couple of news:

·Same minis, different moulds using master minis. New details in figures (Capellan on Jumpack, for example, has a new decor in bolter)

·More flexibility (Hyve Tyrant's sword didn't broke with a 90 degrees bend) and resistance (Astorath thrown from 1 meter high and didn't broke)

·Keeps beign resin, just a different resin than FW

·Packed like Avatars of War minis, with golden decor.

·Miniatures come in sprues, without free pieces.

·Limited stock at the beginning, 3 for reference and store.

This makes price's raising a little more comprehensive.

Tlotsqi wrote:From a french retailer (GW salesman call):
*GW definitely stop metal products, except for exceptionnal products.
*Finecast minis are dedicated to veterans so they recommend to sell plastic kits to yong players.
*minis will be sold in box like the plastic kits or transparent box with a pic of the painted mini and a view on the product.
*the sculpture keep the same quality.
*the resin is more resistant than the FW resin (example of a tyranid prince's sword that you can bend with a 90° angle without to break it.
*world official release may 28th.

Llew wrote:Mantic uses something we've taken to calling "restic" which is really pretty nice stuff. I miss not being able to use plastic glue on it, but it takes the super glue well and has good flexibility without being rubbery.

It must be something different though, because it's inexpensive. Mantic switched their metals to restic and basically doubled up on models at very nearly the same price point.

Clearly GW has found some superior way of doing things.

Pretty much everything is going up 20%. They fail to price to currency fluctuations (Aus and Canada being prime examples of getting bent over). The are possibly planning to curtail venues people use to get more reasonable pricing.

I love me my GW, but I fear they are coming very close to genuinely crossing the line and pricing themselves out of business... This can't keep going forever... Their prices go up faster than Gas for crissakes lol.

Many people say 'oh I'm out' when price hikes occur, it is a normal part of the hobby cycle. But the thing for me is, that it seems like it is coming very, very close to being 'I can no longer be in, I can't afford this' as opposed to a petulant 'I'm out'.

Are they giving them away in the shops too?If so I'll be up there!
If its changeing to resen its going to be more expencive isent it?

MajorTom11 wrote:Pretty much everything is going up 20%. They fail to price to currency fluctuations (Aus and Canada being prime examples of getting bent over).

We should really get a petition together for Canadian gamers.

Our dollar is up 25%. We already pay a 25% premium vs. US costs. Now they raise the price another 25%?

This is what's known in the common parlance as "a dick move".

nice stuff about the new resin. I was foolish enough to get caught up on the hate. Still I will buy tons of stuff this year. Non-metal nurgle prince come to me!

Come may 28th I'll buy the DE succubus to try it out.

Good, theyre using quality resin instead of the horrible stuff FW charges us for

Foo wrote:

MajorTom11 wrote:Pretty much everything is going up 20%. They fail to price to currency fluctuations (Aus and Canada being prime examples of getting bent over).

We should really get a petition together for Canadian gamers.

Our dollar is up 25%. We already pay a 25% premium vs. US costs. Now they raise the price another 25%?

This is what's known in the common parlance as "a dick move".

Yup, it's been 3-4 years now that their pricing has been significantly off for us too. Fortunately, I only buy ebay or from our nice american friends like battleroad games.

Worglock wrote:Yes, because you sure didn't post this:

Cadaver wrote: If people can't accept how they run their business, then they and I are free to no longer support them. The difference is, when I choose to no longer support a company, I don't continue to frequent their fan forums complaining about each and every future decision they make. I move on with my life.

It was the Gremlins right? Because you sure wouldn't insinuate that anyone that disagrees with GW should GTFO of the hobby right?

So, not only are you being deliberately obtuse to push a bad narrative, you're being actively dishonest. Off to the bozo-bin with you.

No, my point was and is, as a consumer you have a choice to support or not support a company. You can buy their products for the prices they charge, or you can choose not to buy them. However, when nearly every thread gets dragged own in a debate of GW policy and it gets really old. This is a thread about new resin miniatures, and I'd prefer to discuss the new miniatures, not GW corporate policy. When people go on and on about it, I call it out, because there is a price increase thread for people who want to discuss that.

My point about people coming to sites to complain about a company they say they no longer support or are no longer going to support, was purely a statement that I wouldn't waste my time doing this, and yes, I don't understand why other people would waste their time either. I never said they should leave the site, I just feel it's more productive to discuss things you do enjoy. I never point blank said "why are you here?" before you asked me that question. And regardless of the fact I don't owe you an explanation, I gave an honest one, which you brushed over along with many of my other points.

Not everyone who disagrees with you is pushing some false narrative as you have claimed me and others are doing. We just have differing opinions. The difference is you seem to be taking it personally when you shouldn't.

Regarding the Resin miniatures themselves.

I will reserve judgement until I see one, although I suspect the different in quality wont be that high.

It still wont tempt me to buy one though as I have made my last GW purchase today...

Quote wrote:*Finecast minis are dedicated to veterans so they recommend to sell plastic kits to yong players.

So Tyranids are practically off-limits to younger/inexperienced modellers? Feels like they, along with Space Marines, would appeal the most to younger people.

Inanimate wrote:So Tyranids are practically off-limits to younger/inexperienced modellers? Feels like they, along with Space Marines, would appeal the most to younger people.

As are all armies with an HQ in their force chart (except SM and CSM).

There can't be many armies that you can complete without at least one non-plastic model anyway, surely, given the lack of plastic HQ/Lord options?

So wanting to complete an army now makes you a "veteran", it seems?

Foo wrote:

MajorTom11 wrote:Pretty much everything is going up 20%. They fail to price to currency fluctuations (Aus and Canada being prime examples of getting bent over).

We should really get a petition together for Canadian gamers.

Our dollar is up 25%. We already pay a 25% premium vs. US costs. Now they raise the price another 25%?

This is what's known in the common parlance as "a dick move".

Sounds like the US will be looking to build a northern border fence soon to keep Canadian gamers from taking all of our hard-earned, God-given wargames products.

You what??! 90-40 SKAVEN WARPLOCK JEZZAILS £30.00 - these are currently about £8 each on GW site!!!!

Regnak wrote:You what??! 90-40 SKAVEN WARPLOCK JEZZAILS £30.00 - these are currently about £8 each on GW site!!!!

Maybe - hopefully- they're being re-packed from blisters to a box of some kind?

Foo wrote:

MajorTom11 wrote:Pretty much everything is going up 20%. They fail to price to currency fluctuations (Aus and Canada being prime examples of getting bent over).

We should really get a petition together for Canadian gamers.

Our dollar is up 25%. We already pay a 25% premium vs. US costs. Now they raise the price another 25%?

This is what's known in the common parlance as "a dick move".

Last time it happened it took GW 2 years to drop the prices, which they then raised 4 months later.

surely thats a repackage or misprice...I cant believe even GW would do that >.< (re the jezzails)

Kroothawk wrote:

Inanimate wrote:So Tyranids are practically off-limits to younger/inexperienced modellers? Feels like they, along with Space Marines, would appeal the most to younger people.

As are all armies with an HQ in their force chart (except SM and CSM).

Slinky wrote:There can't be many armies that you can complete without at least one non-plastic model anyway, surely, given the lack of plastic HQ/Lord options?

So wanting to complete an army now makes you a "veteran", it seems?

I don't really understand why exactly these new "resin" based models would be harder to assemble and paint than the tin-based ones though. I guess that even though they will be promoted as products for "veterans", you'll still see kids using those units. Maybe it has something to do with poisonous dust? I'm just wondering what reason lies behind such a d*ckmove. "LOL, you're just a kid. Why don't you take your diaper-fingers away from these finely sculpted 'Nids, and look into some *pffsht* Space Marines instead!!! ".

Balance wrote:

Regnak wrote:You what??! 90-40 SKAVEN WARPLOCK JEZZAILS £30.00 - these are currently about £8 each on GW site!!!!

Maybe - hopefully- they're being re-packed from blisters to a box of some kind?

The talk is that they're being repackaged in a box of 3.

Kanluwen wrote:

Balance wrote:

Regnak wrote:You what??! 90-40 SKAVEN WARPLOCK JEZZAILS £30.00 - these are currently about £8 each on GW site!!!!

Maybe - hopefully- they're being re-packed from blisters to a box of some kind?

The talk is that they're being repackaged in a box of 3.

Still a £6 increase. Pretty shocking frankly.

*shrug* I don't set the prices.
Maybe the Jezzails aren't the metal ones we have now but are instead retooled and new ones and they decided they're worth 6 GBP more?

Kanluwen wrote:*shrug* I don't set the prices.
Maybe the Jezzails aren't the metal ones we have now but are instead retooled and new ones and they decided they're worth 6 GBP more?

Really Kan? Please, give me some of those straws you're grasping onto...

Its okay Jezzails got nerfed heavily in the new skaven book anyhow (along with the 8th ed as did all BS based shooting)

ALl you gotta do is input that into the GW Machine Spirit in the Ivory Tower and youll get the reason

Input: Jezzails are a great unit in the 6th ed Skaven Book. However, everyone has a unit of them and they are expensive
Output: Nerf them to boost sales

Input: Jezzails are a mediocre unit with the 7th ed skaven book. Still, everyone has their units and see no reason to buy more given they are mediocre
Output: Nerf them to boost sales

Input: Jezzails are pretty awful with the 7th ed skaven book and the 8th ed rulebook. The money amount to make a unit is extreme in relation to their low game worth
Output: Do not nerf. Raise prices to boost sales

Unfortunately since Machine spirits were built during the dark age of technology (The days before the internet) no one knows how to fix them!