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Alpharius wrote:At this point, what do we know for sure about the upcoming changes to the paint range?

That they happen in April or later and affect the whole range

more news, the line will have foundations, base coats, and layer paints for sure, there was an EBAY post that has been subsequently removed.


Quote from tybalt russ of the 40k nation; http://40knation.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=195:citadel-paint-rumors-2&catid=56:gw-new-releases

Well it seems that the new Citadel Paints have showed up on Ebay. If this leak is true, well then. They are still in the same crappy pots. Foundation paints have not seemed to have changed. But names and "types" have changed.

As you can see in the picture. The paints are now broken down into 3 "types": Foundation, Base, and Layer. The one on the far left now says "Base" above the paint name. The three on the right say "Layer" above the name. This seems that Citadel is helping out the newer painters. By saying you start with foundation paint, then a base paint followed by layer paints to highlight. Seem simple enough.



They have also added a paint spatter mark to the label. The three "Layer" paints are in a light blue color. The "base' paint is in a red color. It seems like this is to make it easier to tell which is "Base" and which is "Layer". I like the idea, at a glance with them setting on a self; I could pick them out quickly by color and the mark.

Last but not least, are the names. "OMG what have they done?".

Ebay Citadel Paint Auction

Starting on the left:

"Base" Screaming Bell. I cannot tell what color it supposed to be.

"Foundation" Mechrite Red. Has not changed. Thank the Emperor!!!

"Layer" White Scar. Looks to be Skull White.

"Layer" Cadian Fleshtone. Looks like Elf Flesh to me.

"Layer" Slaanesh Grey. Looks like a Codex Grey to me.

Well, I believe one reason is that they are now copyrightable names. We know how GW likes to have copyrights to everything (lol).

So in conclusion. The pots stayed the same, new look to the label, and new names. Well in the last article is said "Their GW rep told them that this is going to be as big as the change from inks to washes.". Well to me this is way bigger than that. Way to shake things up GW!!!

Sorry, chaplaincliff, I'm not sure how this is "more news".

This is just a repeat of exactly what has been discussed in this thread over the last several days...

You've not been keeping up with this thread have you...?

farmersboy wrote:You've not been keeping up with this thread have you...?

Don't be too hard on him, Kroothawk just called him out over on P&M. Granted it would have been nice if he'd have back read, but at least he didn't start a new thread!

has it been determined if the formulas of the paints themselves will change?

Orinoco wrote:has it been determined if the formulas of the paints themselves will change?

Can't remember if its in this thread or elsewhere, but someone did mention that a company that produces this sort of paint had been approached about manufacturing an "8 out of 10" paint, where "10 out of 10" would be the sort that is used in fine art restoration, but not knowing what the current range would qualify as, can't say if that would be a change in formula or just manufacturer.

If they're definitely going to keep using the new pots, I'm gonna definitely keep replacing my old paints with vallejo's & P3's.

Here's what I don't get: Why is GW instructing retailers to sell off all their existing stock? Just so the labels match? The colors stay the same, but get new names which will not match any of their retail packaging? These "changes" are nothing but a waste of time and resources. Certainly not what I would call "big" at all. Were customers complaining about the names? Did they think that hobbyists needed to be told in what order to apply their colors? Does a ring of color on the label increase sales? Nope, nope, nope.

Nothing really changed at all.

Except now, I have to memorize all the new names, so when a customer comes in asking for a pot of Regal Blue, I can tell him that he really wants a pot of Pedro Cantor Blue, or whatever the hell the new name is...

Fighting8th wrote:Did they think that hobbyists needed to be told in what order to apply their colors?

lol you wouldnt believe how dogmatic some people can get about colors and how to paint stuff. if GW tells them to do it a certain way then that is LAW to some people.

Fighting8th wrote:Here's what I don't get: Why is GW instructing retailers to sell off all their existing stock? Just so the labels match? The colors stay the same, but get new names which will not match any of their retail packaging? These "changes" are nothing but a waste of time and resources. Certainly not what I would call "big" at all. Were customers complaining about the names? Did they think that hobbyists needed to be told in what order to apply their colors? Does a ring of color on the label increase sales? Nope, nope, nope.

Nothing really changed at all.

Except now, I have to memorize all the new names, so when a customer comes in asking for a pot of Regal Blue, I can tell him that he really wants a pot of Pedro Cantor Blue, or whatever the hell the new name is...

Except the part where no-one knows anything about any of these changes. Are they changing paint formula? Don't know. Are they changing pot size/shape? Don't know. Are they adding/removing colours? Don't know.

Just like the alleged leaked 6th ed rules that spawned nigh on a million pages of teeth gnashing, wailing, debate and furious supposition on the basis of absolutely bugger all, how about we leave off the raging/idle speculation/guessing/wish listing and flat out lying until someone actually knows something concrete?

Fighting8th wrote:Here's what I don't get: Why is GW instructing retailers to sell off all their existing stock? (...) Nothing really changed at all.

And you get the info from where? Is it a speculation based on the speculation that the ebay deal was genuine?
Currently we only have the internal mail to retailers, the rest is speculation. But it will most certainly be more than just a redesign on the label.

BTW here another weird rumour from Warseer:

Steve54 wrote:According to the manager of my local GW individual paints will no longer be sold in most stores, they will be direct only. In stores they will sell a larger variety of paint box sets tailored to specific armies/races

And here a cryptic one:

Archibald_TK wrote:At the same time that the new paint range shall hit us (that means around April) GW will implement an new system of modules for their independent retailers (it is my understanding that it is a worldwide change). I'll spare you the details as they won't concern a lot of you anyway but just know that if a shop follows a module there will be an imposed set of models to have in shop. The initial module contains two Tau references, and the current Crisis is one of them. That seems to imply that in April and probably for quite a lengthy time after that the Crisis suits will remain unchanged so whether there will be a small Tau release wave or not, we probably won't see redone Crisis.

What's the other one, Firewarriors?

Yup, they are.

Note that I'm not the one who've read the mail explaining everything in detail, but there was a new list of products on a paper inside our weekly delivery and my comrade told me that list was the same as the one in the mail. I think I will read everything tomorrow morning especially to check if there is a clearer date for the start of the module system (not that we care that much, the benefits of "subscribing" to a module are low and the set of imposed boxes I've seen includes some dubious choices that sound more like boxes they want to get rid of than best sellers =/).

If I know more about this one, it might be worth an extra thread.

Archibald_TK wrote:At the same time that the new paint range shall hit us (that means around April) GW will implement an new system of modules for their independent retailers (it is my understanding that it is a worldwide change). I'll spare you the details as they won't concern a lot of you anyway but just know that if a shop follows a module there will be an imposed set of models to have in shop. The initial module contains two Tau references, and the current Crisis is one of them. That seems to imply that in April and probably for quite a lengthy time after that the Crisis suits will remain unchanged so whether there will be a small Tau release wave or not, we probably won't see redone Crisis.

Apparently here in aus all the trade sales guys are disappearing for 2 days to undertake so sort of training.

Steve54 wrote:According to the manager of my local GW individual paints will no longer be sold in most stores, they will be direct only. In stores they will sell a larger variety of paint box sets tailored to specific armies/races

That would be weird as it would mean I'd have no reason to buy paints locally and would be buying my paints from Wayland from there.

Indeed. If I can no longer buy individual GW paints, I'm done with Citadel paints. If I have to order my paint online anyway, I'm going to pick a range that won't be changing every 2 years.

Redbeard wrote:Indeed. If I can no longer buy individual GW paints, I'm done with Citadel paints. If I have to order my paint online anyway, I'm going to pick a range that won't be changing every 2 years.

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Same here - this would be an incredibly silly move for GW to make...

So therefore guaranteed?

Also that's fairly balls, as many armies don't exactly follow a set colour scheme.

I mean, the 'standard' for DE is purples and greys, while mine (and many people) have gone with various blues.

They used to do sets like that. My first ever paint set was the "Ork and Eldar Paint set". In 2nd Ed they introduced quite a few more, usually one for every type of army.

Of course, you could still buy paints individually as well as in sets, so it was the best of both worlds and made the most sense.

H.B.M.C. wrote:They used to do sets like that. My first ever paint set was the "Ork and Eldar Paint set". In 2nd Ed they introduced quite a few more, usually one for every type of army.

Of course, you could still buy paints individually as well as in sets, so it was the best of both worlds and made the most sense.

So therefore NOT guaranteed?

(I couldn't resist!)

Seriously though - I can see them going back to that model.

"The best of both worlds" approach? I hope that the rumor wires are just a bit crossed and we'll have both...

There are already starter paint sets for various core games. By GW standards they even arent too bad a buy.
So its no great logic jump to sell army based paint sets.

However frankly they should not bother. Instead offer a deal with an army box/battalion/battleforce sale, working something like this:

"You bought the Eldar battleforce. Did you know we now offer an 'Eldar paintset', in fact we have five eldar paintsets, the Saim Hann paintset, the BeilTan paintset, the Alaitoc paintset, the Iyanden and the Ulthwe paintset. We website has details of how to use the particular paints in the set with the models in the battleforce.
Which army are you doing?"

"I was thinking of my own craftworld, but am considering Ulthwe."

"Great, Ulthwe really fit in with the guardian theme. Anyway the Ulthwe paintset is".... grabbing paints from the shelf......"A Primer, Chaos Black, Bleached Bone, Scab Red, Scorched Brown and Mithril Silver. You also get an Army Paint Deals flyer and a Starter paintbrush thrown in. That comes to x £/$, yeah six paints with the paintbrush and the flyer free."

"So its not a boxset then."

"No, why bother, your going to take the paints out of the box anyway and you still get the paintbrush thrown in as with the old boxset. The idea of the deal is to make it easier for the customer. Got an army, wondering what paints to buy pick an army then choose a set from the shelf.
You see we could make an Orc and Eldar paintset box. But this way we just give you a general flyer and the paints for the army of your choice. See here on the inside are all the armies and the weblinks to the paintguides. You you have Mordians, raven Guard, Alpha Legion, Bad Moons etc more than we could possible bring out paint boxsets for. Why have an Eldar paintset when we can fix you up with an Ulthwe one.
Some custom combos are also appearing in next months White Dwarf."





All this depends on a competent GW, but its more than possible. Would this involve discouting something? Only as much as a paint boxset does. While the versatility is laudable the real reason for it is to have deals available only to GW instore, and the elimination of unnecessary packaging.
There is so much that could be fixed with GW retail, I thimnk this is one of the many many missed opportunities.

Your blind optimism is both refreshing and tragic Orlanth.



But yes, such a system would make a lot of sense and these 'package deal' paint sets would be quite good for people. So naturally they'll never ever do anything like it.

I've never used Citadel Colours as my mainline paint, so I'm less affected by this, and I guess I just don't understand why not switch to other paints?

I thought Vallejo Game Colors were pretty dead on for color matching.

I find that I love working with the Reaper Master Series myself. keep in mind that their "Triad" system isn't that far from the "base and layer" rumor.

Maybe instead of screwing around with things, they could, I dunno, bring back the old pop-top 17.5 ml pots everyone loved and all the old colored metallics, like Polished Blue and Amethyst Purple.

Sure they are bigger than the current ones, but I'd gladly pay 4-5 dollars for each pot, then, as nearly all my old pots are still being used, even at 10+ years old.....I still use Polished Blue for my power weapons, and I've had it for nearly 15 years.


As for Vallejo, usually I get a good match, but their Cold Grey is supposed to match Codex Grey, and it's quite a bit lighter, so I ended up going back to GW to paint my Space Wolves.

Aegis Grom - or has been said, try Coat D'arms, they use those old pots with the greater volume, I believe have all those old colours, and are £2 a pot (cheaper than GWs)

I may do that, thanks.

Polonius wrote:I've never used Citadel Colours as my mainline paint, so I'm less affected by this, and I guess I just don't understand why not switch to other paints?

I thought Vallejo Game Colors were pretty dead on for color matching.

I find that I love working with the Reaper Master Series myself. keep in mind that their "Triad" system isn't that far from the "base and layer" rumor.

Some people don't like dropper bottles, and despite the current pot's flaws at least the GW pots don't disintegrate like the P3 pots.

Fair enough. I resisted the droppers at first, but now I can't imagine not using them.

I feel like I"m missing out on a big part of the GW experience because I never really used their paints for front line painting. (I've used their foundations, washes, and metallics)

Polonius wrote:Fair enough. I resisted the droppers at first, but now I can't imagine not using them.

I feel like I"m missing out on a big part of the GW experience because I never really used their paints for front line painting. (I've used their foundations, washes, and metallics)

Personally I don't stick to any one line. I use mostly citadel paints, with some Reaper and P3. (Thow I have found many times I've need to transfer my P3 paints to old GW pots because the lids eventually snap in half and make the pots useless for holding paints. I wish P3 would do something about that...)

So are the washes discontinued? Sorry didnt follow the full thread.