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I don't like playing people who haven't taken time to paint their army. Anyone can glue some "Nids" together and show up. Is it wrong that if I am not in a tournament that I refuse to play someone with an unpainted army? 1 or 2 models I can handle but an entire army with not one drop of paint on in? Come on people get your act together and take some pride in the hobby!!! Opinions welcome, please explain why you haven't painted your army or why you agree that it is very annoying to go up against a grey plastic Leman Russ?

In a tournament, I think you should have your stuff painted, but not everyone will have the time or inclanation to paint all their stuff for casual play.

I work and have other things that I have or want to do in my free time rather than paint soldiers.

Although my goal is to get all my stuff painted. I would certainly not want to play at any serious game without a painted army.

At my FLGS, a lot of people build stuff they've bought that day in the store. Its nice that they can assemble their model, and then play a game or two with it before the final gluing and painting. I did it saturday with my Vindicator, and I was pleased that no one cared I was fielding it with just the body assembled and no paint. I did the same with my predators which was especially nice because I could play around with the configurations before deciding what to glue together.

I can get the official events, but at a friendly game its nice to let people play with their new unit before they begin the arduous task of painting.

I would call it highly unsportsman like to outright refuse to play someone in a tourny whose army wasn't painted(personally my pet peeve is people who basecoat and play like that, plain plastic is ok, black or white is bad)

many tournys have rules about the army being painted or seriously encourage it.

Now it might be in bad taste to bring a unpainted army in(it isn't fantastic to play against, I am one of 2 people at my group who can play an entirly painted army), but that doesn't mean you have to be a jerk about it. maybe it's a new army for him, maybe he hasn't much time, or something.

you could nicely ask him to paint it next time, BUT above all be polite

@beard102479: If you use the search function you'll find a lot of threads on this subject already. This topic has been discussed contentiously and exhaustively many a time.

@everyone else: Please let's not do this again.

Heh, each Gaming Group has different standards.
There is no right or wrong, only peer pressure.

Manchu wrote:@beard102479: If you use the search function you'll find a lot of threads on this subject already. This topic has been discussed contentiously and exhaustively many a time.

@everyone else: Please let's not do this again.

then don't read it. you get annoyed by people starting threads that have been already discussed? i get annoyed by people who post in a thread to simply tell someone to use the search function next time.


and no... i dont paint my armies. i barely have enough time to get them assembled let alone paint them. on top of that i simply do not like to paint. if i showed up with my primed army in a friendly open game atmosphere and you said you wouldnt play me then i'd ask the next person or leave.

as far as tournaments go, most require some form of paint on the miniatures so its usually not an issue.

In reality you have a right to not play anyone for any reason, but from a sportsmanship view simply not having an army painted should be no reason to not pick up a casual game.

At the FLGS that got me into 40K we weren't allowed to play with unpainted models. A couple grey models were generally accepted, but past that the owner wouldn't permit you to play. Overall I think that was a very good idea because battles would always be nice to look at and it got me into the habit of always painting my models when I got them.

usernamesareannoying wrote:then don't read it. you get annoyed by people starting threads that have been already discussed? i get annoyed by people who post in a thread to simply tell someone to use the search function next time.

Despite your best efforts, it's nothing personal.

Lorek wrote:3. Before posting on a topic, check for existing threads! There's a Search feature that works really well for this, and usually all you really need to do is scan the first few pages of the appropriate forum to make sure you're not duplicating something. This especially applies in You Make Da Call, where your question very well may have already been argued to death (and beware the rusty spoons!).

So, someone who plays orks, for example, should have to paint 150+ guys before you would deem them worthy of a game? They can't play while in the often several-month-long process of painting dozens of models?

Your arbitrary rules exclude everyone who is just getting into the game or a new army and thus condemns the hobby to failure. Great job. Way to think that through. How about you take pride what in YOU enjoy about the hobby and get off your high horse about everyone else.

Modquisition on.
The beginnign of this thread almost insured a flamefest. lets keep it calm or the thread will be closed and persons disciplined. By calm i mean discuss the merits of the topic and avoid personal attacks or disparagement of other posters.

A couple models, fine. Half the army, ok. All base-coat, no way. Call me an ass or whatever but to have nothing painted is just lazy. At least try. This is open games at the shop of course. At your buddies house, do whatever. I dont have to deal with you.

The local club I go to has an 'unwritten' rule that any figures or scenery used should have at least a basic paint job on them which no one has complained about, or gone against, in the 10 years its been going.

LeperMessiah- We play from 400 points up in 40k so if someone does start a new army they don't have to wait until they have 1500+ points painted before they can use it.

Mick

Cpt Gate wrote:A couple models, fine. Half the army, ok. All base-coat, no way. Call me an ass or whatever but to have nothing painted is just lazy. At least try. This is open games at the shop of course. At your buddies house, do whatever. I don't have to deal with you.

being lazy has nothing to do with it. i do not like to paint. why should i have to? painting the models is merely one aspect of the hobby. its like saying you wont play someone if they don't convert their models or clean their flash or drill out their gun barrels.

Well, there are those that follow the hobby.
Then there are those that just participate to beat people in a game.

All this should be well known beforehand.
The only time I see this is an issue is in a pick-up game situation. (As tourneys should be real clear WHAT sort of slant they are leaning too Hobby or just Gaming).

If it's a pick up situation, then each person will decide who they want to play with, it's as simple as that. Why waste time if I'm not enjoying the game when I like to play against painted armies...? It's each persons' right to decide who they play with in a pick up game situation. (Assuming perfect information).

40k is a hobby and each individual should be entitled to enjoy it as they see fit. I don’t mind playing an opponent with an unpainted army in a friendly game.

With that said, however, I believe it’s important that local gaming clubs enforce painting rules for club-sponsored events. The reason for this is because it distinguishes the people who want to “play with toys” and genuine hobbyists. There’s a practical reason behind this beyond “gamer elitism” which I’ll get to in a second.

I’ve seen cases of unpainted models brought into my store where the models were dumped in like a toy box. The owner dug threw them like a box of Lego’s. These people are completely entitled to treat their property as they wishes. However, this behavior is an indication that they regard the models as “toys” and opponents “playmates”.

Conversely, many people in my gaming club have well painted armies in custom made and costly cases. They regard their property as a component of their hobby and value the hobby on a broader level beyond the set of rules needed to participate in a game.

The second type of person is the type that will likely be playing the game for many years to come. This is the type of person who brings value to the gaming club by virtue of his experience. He is also the type of person who forms the core of a gaming club that will last for years or decades.

It is inevitable that life pulls people away from the hobby at some point; college, girlfriends, wives, children, houses, careers, so on and so on. An individual who regards his past time as a collection of toys will be extremely unlikely to form that core of dedicated gamers that every gaming club needs to survive the changes life brings to all of us. An individual who sees his pastime as a hobby, as more than a game, will see many gamers come and go over the life of his hobby but, hopefully, he will always be there to ensure the gaming club outlasts even himself… establishing the community of hobbyists that we all enjoy. If those who regard the hobby merely as toys to play a game ever find themselves transitioning into the realm of “dedicated hobbyist”, than perhaps they can take the reigns of the engine that drives the gaming club community.

Until then, the two schools aught to be bale to share a friendly game with one another for fun… maybe the dedicated hobbyists can learn something about fighting a particular army and maybe his opponent will be inspired to paint his models.

In my situation i am waiting for the new Tyranid codex to come out. I bought second hand a bunch of poorly painted and ripped apart Tyranids. I intend to simple green them after the codex comes out and start painting them, i have a scheme ready but i don't want to have to rip off well painted armaments. My painting is table top standard and possibly slightly above. Would you allow me to play you?

Hmmm... maybe I read the originals posters post wrong, but WTF are you? I mean, who are you to put your morales on what should or should not be done to play a game?

I mean you didn't even say that if the person has time to paint. Maybe he is to busy working but wants to play. So all the time he has is to just buy the mini's and put them together and that's it. Does this make this person a less person than you? I don't know, you are making yourself a holier than though person just because you have a painted army.

Is this the first time you ever met this person? Maybe he just started and wants to game. Maybe the 3rd or 4th time if you don't see an improvement then you can say "sorry, you armies arn't painted, I don't feel like playing you anymore since you can't take the time to paint your army" but be polite about it. I don't know, you sound so snobbish.

But then again, who are you to say I have to have a painted army? Maybe I don't have time to paint. Maybe I have kids around so I can't paint because of them, and I work off hours so when kids are sleeping I am either working or have to sleep my self. Maybe I should quit my job so I have more time to paint. Maybe I should kill and slaughter my children so I don't have to worry about them getting into the paint. Maybe I just hate painting.

Do I sound stupid in talking? Yeah I do, but you do as well since you can't take the time to explain why it bothers you so much and why it's a big deal for you. It's funny you want us to explain why, but you can't explain why yourself.

I do try to paint, but I suck at painting. Because of this, I havn't played any games in 5 years. I think I missed the gaming part of the hobby because of this. So now I will put my mini's together, and if they are not painted oh well, I want to game as well. Because of work and kids, I can't paint as I would like too.

So because of this, you are a better person than me? If you want to play the you are better or holier attidute with me, I can say you are wotherless person because you spend too much money on plastic toy soldiers that should only cost pennies to buy, and you waste your time painting them, when you should be giving money to less fortunate people than you, and devoting your time to charities. I don't mean what I just said here, but that is how I precieve you with your statement about unpainted armies.

You should really not worry about if it's painted or not, but just have fun playing with strangers and maybe make some new friends or what not.

Sorry for the rant, I just get upset when I read a post when someone thinks they are better than others just because their army is painted and the other is not.

Well i got 1500 points of guard. So far i painted 2 leman Russ executioners 1 chimera and 1 vet squad. Still 4 chimera's 4 squads and 2 Valk's to go. The only thing is that i dont like to paint. Well i dont like to paint alone and since the fgs is not exactly arround the corner. It is exactly what i have to do often. But its all cool tough since i have not played a 40k game yet. Still as a beginner myself i would not have a problem with unpainted armies.

Grtz
L.D.

Oh yeah and i have not found a suitable replacement for daylight. So i dont paint when it is dark outside.

Who cares what people think?

If you don't want to play against an unpainted army, then don't.

Personally, I don't care if the army is painted.

For tournaments, each TO will enforce painting to the level they want.

Fully painted is great. Half-painted I have no problem. Base-coated I don't really mind either. Heck, I've only painted half of each of my armies to to refuse playing someone who hasn't fully painted theirs would be hypocrytical.

For those who have a problem with people who haven't taken the time to paint their armies...

How do you feel about people who buy their stuff on feebay prepainted?

I mean, THEY didn't paint THEIR armies, either.

Do they care more about it because they can afford to buy painted stuff?

Where is the line drawn?

Is it because you want the person to expend the effort to prove they care, or because you just don't want to play against gray plastic?

Personally, I don't care a BIT about painted status. Not at all.
As long as I can tell the units apart (posts, markings of some sort, colored bases, etc), then it's all good.


Eric

@incarna - close but i think a category is missing. as stated, i do not paint although i have been playing and converting since rogue trader days. i do not treat my figures like toys and am constantly on the lookout for the next great storage method to try however i have no desire to paint them. to say i and others like me are not part of the hobbiest side of the community simply because i dont paint is a bit unfair.

Personally I have three armies. One fully painted, and in the stage of being repainted, and one with no paint. I work, married and have a son plus a foriegn exchange student. They take my time and energy. Do you mean that I can only play one army until I get the others painted?

In tournaments I use the fully Painte Blood Angels.

You have the right to refuse to play with anyone. You have that right, but I have the right to play with unpainted models. Besides I much rather someone take their time and do a good job instead of rushing the paint just to play.

Also forcing a new person (someone who more than likely never painted before) to have their whole army painted befroe they get to play their first game really limits the people willing to get into the game.

People fall into three groups.
1)People who have or make the time to paint their armies
2) People who do not have time to paint their armies
3) People who collect with no interest in painting, only playing

At the end of the day you have no right to tell a person that they "must" paint their army. However you are also well entitled to refuse to play an opponent because you feel strongly against doing so.

Each of us have our own lives to lead with limitations on the time and money we can spend on the hobby we love and no one enjoy others dictating how another should play or act around the hobby within reason.

I suggest a simple method of respecting the opinion of the other person in regards to their painting or lack of painting methods and respectfully decline to play against people you don't wish to play against.

I myself am a base-coater with 90% of my Tau painted and 50% of my Marines painted. The rest are undercoated waiting for me to decide on a new paint scheme that I'm "still" trying to choose lol. If someone declared that they won't play against me then I wouldn't fuss. I'd either switch to my other army if I was allowed by my opponent or redo my list so that I only had painted models. In my gaming group I have never had an issue with this.

As far as tournaments go, having a painted army is just common sense even if it were not a rule of participation. With the amount of hussle and bussle going on, if you were to lose or misplace a minature that was unpainted then I seriously bout you'd have any chance of getting it back as it would not have any markers decalring it as yours, aka a clear paint scheme identifying it as part of your army

Surely if its a persons choice that they want to use an army that's unpainted (no matter what the reason) it must be fair that its another persons choice not to play against an unpainted army?

We do this hobby for the enjoyment of it. If the op doesn't enjoy playing against unpainted armies why should he have to do it?

I personally prefer to play against painted armies but won't refuse to play against an unpainted one if the owner has a problem getting the army done and would probably offer to help out (mind you if was just through not being bothered I would think twice about playing against them...).

Mick

incarna wrote:a wall of text I enjoyed reading.

I hope this guy becomes a regular. I like his posts.

On topic though, I am two faced about this issue. I will refuse to play people who do not intend to paint their stuff, but I'll gladly play people who haven't had the time to. Painting is part of the hobby, and anything worth doing is worth doing well. Even a basic three color paint job that takes 5 minutes is miles better than all grey or primed.

usernamesareannoying wrote:@incarna - close but i think a category is missing. as stated, i do not paint although i have been playing and converting since rogue trader days. i do not treat my figures like toys and am constantly on the lookout for the next great storage method to try however i have no desire to paint them. to say i and others like me are not part of the hobbiest side of the community simply because i dont paint is a bit unfair.

I won’t deny there are shades of grey. If you fall in a limbo category between the two groups I would say that’s your right and you are entitled to enjoy your hobby as you see fit. I would also say you are probably in the minority.


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DarkHound wrote:

incarna wrote:a wall of text I enjoyed reading.

I hope this guy becomes a regular. I like his posts.

On topic though, I am two faced about this issue. I will refuse to play people who do not intend to paint their stuff, but I'll gladly play people who haven't had the time to. Painting is part of the hobby, and anything worth doing is worth doing well. Even a basic three color paint job that takes 5 minutes is miles better than all grey or primed.

thank you. I hope to post more regularly. I've been browsing for quite some time now.

*laughing* These threads really irk me, along with the "better than you views" that come out with them.

I just got a new Dark Eldar army. I've got 2,000 points of Dark Eldar. Its going to take me months and months and months (and maybe even a year+) to get it all painted. I participate in 40k to play, not to paint - painting is done at leisure, when time permits. My fun is in the playing, not the painting.