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I just meant that if they put minimal effort into it they'd still make a huge profit. If they went and actually put money into it, the return on that investment would be huge.

I'd vote for a Legions codex (emphasis on the S). We really don't need more MEQ codexes, as many have pointed out. But we traitors do need our variant lists.

Mad Rabbit wrote:We really don't need more MEQ codexes, as many have pointed out. But we traitors do want our variant lists.

FYP.

I just worked out what FYP means - "Waste of Bandwidth".

Great Unlclean One wrote:Would be good if they didn't super power each one so that the black legion become the norm and pwn everyone. An Iron Warriors codex would be cool, more heavy support and thunderhammers? O_o

Iron Warriors.

The Iron Storm.

Addition to the Warhammer 40,000 Chaos Space Marine Codex.

By Derina Ramsey.


The Iron Warriors are siege warfare specialists along with their Imperial dog counter parts the Imperial Fists. They use siege engines from the likes of looted Basilisk's, Bombards, Medusa's and the lesser Griffon's. Also in their arsenal are the Twisted versions of the the Vindicators.

The leader of the Iron Warriors is called a Warsmith, he commands the Warriors when they go to war, the Primarch of the Iron Warriors is the daemon Prince Peturabo who resides on the Fortress-world of Medrenngard that is located deep in the Eye of Terror. It is said that the spires not only penetrate deep into the planet but also enters into space where the battle barges and other ships are tethered ready to go to war. Their destroyed home-world of Olympia was a Forge-world where the Iron Warriors crafted by hand.

A must read is Storm of Iron from Graham McNeill

Iron Warriors are methodical in there war making, they always taking out the defences and grinding down the opposition by bombardments of their siege engines before moving on make a concentrated attack, when facing fortifications the Iron Warriors will scout them out and then at their discretion will decide what point to launch the attack.

The Iron Warriors carry the mark of Chaos Undivided. And will not include any daemons in their army apart from daemon princes and possessed Chaos Space Marines. (The possessed are in fact bound daemonic energies to power a bunch of cybernetic enhancements attached to an empty set of power armour.

The Iron Warriors are characterised buy the use of heavy equipment and heavy weapons, here they can supplement 2 of their fast attack units for an extra heavy weapon section.

They can take up to one heavy artillery system from the Imperial Guard codex or a Baneblade super heavy tank. But the ballistic skill (or BS) remains as 3.

The Iron Warriors are technically gifted and have the equipment to accompany their skills they can have a Servo Arm for an extra 30 points. The result of the use of the Servo Arm can be used to repair vehicles. And can be used as a power fist used with the champions Weapon Skill (WS). Only the squad leader or lord may be fitted with the Servo Arm.

Hows that?

A Baneblade??????
In normal 40k???
Apart from that it looks ok....as a filler nothing more though

yani wrote:A Baneblade??????
In normal 40k???

So what? We had Super-Heavies before we had Apoc, or has everyone forgotten that?

We weren't around back then man.

Apoc is what? 2 years old? 3? Jesus... this isn't RT-era we're talking about - this is mid-way through 4th Ed.

I'M not even that old.

Fair enough, but trust me, super-heavies are:

A). Not that scary.
B). Not something I'd mind facing in a regular game.

Strength D is a separate issue, as that's an Apoc thing and is in essence impossible to balance, but everything other than Strength D is fine for regular play.

Planning on doing night lords etc as well

H.B.M.C. wrote:Fair enough, but trust me, super-heavies are:

A). Not that scary.
B). Not something I'd mind facing in a regular game.

Strength D is a separate issue, as that's an Apoc thing and is in essence impossible to balance, but everything other than Strength D is fine for regular play.

Its true they really aren't. Another thing I don't think people realize is that many of the Apocalypse forces like the Tau Rapid Insertion Force are pretty much available for use in normal games, minus the special deep striking rules. And special tanks like the Land Raider with the Vindicator cannon can be taken in normal games if you have people permission. I think people forget that or only play in tourney games.

Where is the Baneblade's stats?

Where are the Baneblade's stats. I swear it's like this forum has forgotten how to speak English in recent day.

But to answer your question, they're in IA1. All 600+ overpriced points (tanks only worth 450-ish).

yani wrote:A Baneblade??????
In normal 40k???

If using the old non-uber VDR-based FW rules, I'd be OK with that...

Good-end: They release all the Legions in one 'Dex, have good rules written, etc.

Alright-end: They re-release the last Chaos 'Dex, with minor changes where necessary. It wouldn't be perfect, but it'd at least be a step up from the current 'Dex.

Likely-end: They release the Legion 'Dexes one at a time, likely over a four year period. Much of them stink, maybe one is unintentionally written good.

Bad-end: See above, but all are written poorly, we don't get anything for LatD, and GW shelf-space turns into 35% Space Marines, 35% Chaos, 20% newest army to be released, 10% other.

But we're forgetting the Daemonic legions, the sub chapters and the Chaos versions of everyone of the existing chapters: The Newts, Dark Wolves, Light Demons, Bile Demons, and, most important, theUltraChaosMarines). Crap, I forgot the Dark Inquisition, Brothers of Fighting, Dark Tau (fight for the greater BAD) Chaos Tyranids (w/biomorphs and marks) and, last but not least, the Darkrons. They just need to throw some bs rules out there that modify point costs slightly, put stupid mono-god restrictions on the current codex, and offer some minor powers in return that aren't remotely worth it. It's mostly the fluff-mongers that care what fictional god's name is printed next to a fictional power anyway, or the TFGs who intend to abuse X aspect of Y Legion.

Minsc wrote:Good-end: They release all the Legions in one 'Dex, have good rules written, etc.

Alright-end: They re-release the last Chaos 'Dex, with minor changes where necessary. It wouldn't be perfect, but it'd at least be a step up from the current 'Dex.

Likely-end: They release the Legion 'Dexes one at a time, likely over a four year period. Much of them stink, maybe one is unintentionally written good.

Bad-end: See above, but all are written poorly, we don't get anything for LatD, and GW shelf-space turns into 35% Space Marines, 35% Chaos, 20% newest army to be released, 10% other.

But what about the secret ending that is unlocked if you tap triangle repeatedly in the ending cutscene, like when voldo goes psyco and kills his master...

But in all seriouness i agree with this guy.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:It's mostly the fluff-mongers that care what fictional god's name is printed next to a fictional power anyway, or the TFGs who intend to abuse X aspect of Y Legion.

Completely untrue, unfounded nonsense.

I want a massive CODEX: CHAOS, with Traitor Legions, Daemons, Mutants, Traitor Guard, Eye of Terror Medieval warriors, Beastmen, Trolls, Minotaurs, Dark Adeptus, Badab war Renegades and Plague Zombies all bound in leather with an agonized face on the front so that it looks like the evil book from Army of Darkness.

The above must be done its too awesome for it NOT to be done

and on a random side note i recently watched a documentary about a book called the devils bible, some massive compilation of all human knowledge from the dark ages, and i noticed something odd about the front cover...
It had the 8 pointed chaos star on it

corpsesarefun wrote:Now after the horrors of loosing god specific daemons and indeed any legion specific rules in the most recent CSM codex you would think if GW were to bring them back it would just be in a new combined CSM codex, right?

Wrong

BoLS wrote:
1:00pm...Jervis spoke:
-The Studio loves the idea of Chaos Legion specific codices. It will allow GW to build Legion specific models, but is still a while off.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2009/07/news-gamesday-chicago-2009-livefeed.html

Thats right kiddies, SERPERATE CSM LEGION CODICES!

Dicuss...

No actually I got the impression that they were going to do separate codices for each legion. Or at least the 4 god-specific legions.

As for the codices and models themselves, I'll believe when I see it. They've been saying the same thing for Dark Eldar and now they are dangling Chaos Dwarves in front of us liike fat, hairy carrots (of chaos).

corpsesarefun wrote:It had the 8 pointed chaos star on it

The radiating arrows of "chaos" are quite a well used symbol to depict chaos and confusion. Usually faced against the single straight arrow of Law and Order.

SilverMK2 wrote:Usually faced against the single straight arrow of Law and Order.

In the Grim Darkness of the 41st Millennium there is no peace among the stars, only an eternity of slaughter and the laughter of thirsty Gods. And it is up to the men and women of the Ordos Malleus to keep us safe from the darkness.

These are their stories.

*dum-dum*



Sorry... couldn't resist...

H.B.M.C. wrote:

SilverMK2 wrote:Usually faced against the single straight arrow of Law and Order.

In the Grim Darkness of the 41st Millennium there is ONLY WAR!!!!!!

fixed that for you H.B.M.C

Madgod wrote:OMG!! A Thousand Sons Codex Would Be AWESOME!!

Or A World Eaters Codex!! GASP!

*faints*

Too bad we'll wait 3 years for a 5th Ed Codex let alone 12 new ones......

I think the World Eaters, Thousand Sons, Emperor's Children, Black Legion, and Plague marines (I had a brain-fart and couldn't remember the legion) won't be getting a codex, because they are represented in Codex CSM. The Word Bearers, Iron Warriors, Night Lords, and Alpha Legion will. I personally want to see the Alpha legion codex, because it will most likely have some cultist units.

Exarch_Nektel wrote:
I think the World Eaters, Thousand Sons, Emperor's Children, Black Legion, and Plague marines (I had a brain-fart and couldn't remember the legion) won't be getting a codex, because they are represented in Codex CSM. The Word Bearers, Iron Warriors, Night Lords, and Alpha Legion will. I personally want to see the Alpha legion codex, because it will most likely have some cultist units.

Exarch_Nektel wrote:because they are represented in Codex CSM

What the hell are you on about? The World Eaters, Thousand Sons, Emperor's Children, and Death Guard are far too different from normal Chaos Marines to NOT have their own codex. Read the previous CSM codex, and try saying that again.

The only major differences that the four Undivided Legions have from vanilla CSM are...

Alpha Legion: Cultists and Infiltrate.
Iron Warriors: Basilisks, Demolishers, no limit on Oblits (two of which are redundant now).
Night Lords: More fast attack, less heavy support.
Word Bearers: Evil chaplains and can use any Daemons.

Whereas the four Dedicated Legions are so radically different from normal CSM that they deserve at least a big codex to cover all four of them. World Eaters, for instance, were not just CSM with Icons of Khorne. Your entire army was a horde of flying rodent gak insane frothing Berzerkers who you had little control over, but annihilated what they hit.

Death Guard were slow, had a limit on Rhinos, couldn't have heavy weapons on their footsloggers, and gave Necrons a run for their money as the toughest army.

Emperor's Children had so many sonic blasters and blastmasters it wasn't funny. Havocs, Dreadnoughts, Predators, and plenty of other units could take sonic blasters and blastmasters.

Thousand Sons... well, not many people played them, even though Rubric Marines had two wounds and their bolters were blast weapons. I dunno why, to be honest.

But the point is, the fact that the Dedicated Legions had huge alterations to their playstyle compared to the Undivided Legions. The currect codex does not, in any way, represent the Dedicated Legions.

Cheese Elemental wrote:

Exarch_Nektel wrote:
I think the World Eaters, Thousand Sons, Emperor's Children, Black Legion, and Plague marines (I had a brain-fart and couldn't remember the legion) won't be getting a codex, because they are represented in Codex CSM. The Word Bearers, Iron Warriors, Night Lords, and Alpha Legion will. I personally want to see the Alpha legion codex, because it will most likely have some cultist units.

Exarch_Nektel wrote:because they are represented in Codex CSM

What the hell are you on about?

I believe he is talking about plague marines, beserkers, TS and noise marines, although your post is very valid cheese.

Cheese Elemental wrote:

Exarch_Nektel wrote:
I think the World Eaters, Thousand Sons, Emperor's Children, Black Legion, and Plague marines (I had a brain-fart and couldn't remember the legion) won't be getting a codex, because they are represented in Codex CSM. The Word Bearers, Iron Warriors, Night Lords, and Alpha Legion will. I personally want to see the Alpha legion codex, because it will most likely have some cultist units.

Exarch_Nektel wrote:because they are represented in Codex CSM

What the hell are you on about? The World Eaters, Thousand Sons, Emperor's Children, and Death Guard are far too different from normal Chaos Marines to NOT have their own codex. Read the previous CSM codex, and try saying that again.

The only major differences that the four Undivided Legions have from vanilla CSM are...

Alpha Legion: Cultists and Infiltrate.
Iron Warriors: Basilisks, Demolishers, no limit on Oblits (two of which are redundant now).
Night Lords: More fast attack, less heavy support.
Word Bearers: Evil chaplains and can use any Daemons.

Whereas the four Dedicated Legions are so radically different from normal CSM that they deserve at least a big codex to cover all four of them. World Eaters, for instance, were not just CSM with Icons of Khorne. Your entire army was a horde of flying rodent gak insane frothing Berzerkers who you had little control over, but annihilated what they hit.

Death Guard were slow, had a limit on Rhinos, couldn't have heavy weapons on their footsloggers, and gave Necrons a run for their money as the toughest army.

Emperor's Children had so many sonic blasters and blastmasters it wasn't funny. Havocs, Dreadnoughts, Predators, and plenty of other units could take sonic blasters and blastmasters.

Thousand Sons... well, not many people played them, even though Rubric Marines had two wounds and their bolters were blast weapons. I dunno why, to be honest.

But the point is, the fact that the Dedicated Legions had huge alterations to their playstyle compared to the Undivided Legions. The currect codex does not, in any way, represent the Dedicated Legions.

How doesn't it? It has T-sons, noise marines, plague bearers, and Khorne Berserkers. you can easily dedicate your HQs to a specific god, and you can tailor your list to the specific legion. For instance, you could take CC oriented defilers for use with you Khorne berserkers and Kharn the Betrayer. your crapload of Noise Marines can be backed up by quick Slaaneshi chosen and a Lash-prince. the customizability, within those four dedicated legions, of the Chaos codex is vast. But, nobody likes to use those lists because they are not the top tier lists.