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pixelpusher wrote:

puma713 wrote:Right. Instead, they said the exact opposite. But. . . that's okay? We should just accept it because, "big companies lie all the time"?

No. I would't say "accept it". But I wouldn't use "they said" when we all know that the truth usually is pretty far from what a company says in a press release about their new product. Especially Games Workshop...
Some posters in this thread act kinda surprised when the press release isn't holding up to it's promises. Might be just me having to read through a ton of press releases & corporate publications and getting used to it / getting bitter? I wouldn't rule out the latter tbh

So its okay to lie in a press release now? Someone should tell Sony that. To say a company shouldn't be held accountable to what they publish is pretty silly imo


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bushido wrote:I don't get it. People are upset because a product can't possibly live up to its hype? Do you watch a movie trailer and think it's a perfect representation of the quality and plot of the film? Yours must be a wonderful, magical world to live in.

It's been this way since there were guys selling their "Cure-Alls" from the back of their covered wagons as they traveled from town to town. A company isn't going to say, "Buy our product! It's pretty average!"

Hooray for cynicism

So...is there actual proof the line is pretty faulty...

Or is it just those pics from some very dodgy reviews? (and potential purposeful defamation)

blasto0341 wrote:Holy crap people the Finecast is not released yet hahaha. The mini in the pic could be from a pile the quality control set aside as "not good" and someone got ahold of one. How else are these people getting finecast so early??

Ever been to a video game store with the back room door open? You will seen boxes upon boxes of new games with a labeled sticker saying do not sell until said mm/dd/yyyy



As for finecast I want to get my hands on some wracks for my DE but im hesitant over how flimsy they could be i must say im not a cold handed man, im pray the heat from my fingers in a hot room wont warp these things as it is almost summer. Well here's hoping right

xVoid

No it's not ok to "lie". But it sure is OK in the corporate world to exaggerate as much as you can and put your new product in the best light possible.

I put "lie" in quotationmarks in my original post in order for you guys not to take it literaly. Apparently it didn't get through. I'm sorry for that and will make sure to flag it better next time.

I think that we have seen this type of thing before.
It was called Windows Vista!

We were promised the world...ie faster, better, better looking, and when the final product didn't live up to the hype.
The Megacorp that is Microsoft, had to fix/re-image the product. I think I see this happening to the finecast stuff.

pixelpusher wrote:No it's not ok to "lie". But it sure is OK in the corporate world to exaggerate as much as you can and put your new product in the best light possible.

I put "lie" in quotationmarks in my original post in order for you guys not to take it literaly. Apparently it didn't get through. I'm sorry for that and will make sure to flag it better next time.

Is it OK for consumers to say, "Stop lying to us and feth off, GW."?

evilsponge wrote:
Hooray for cynicism

Call it what you will.

But if my only two choices are being a cynic or foaming at the mouth because big-bad-GW has sacrificed my first-born on the altar of profit margins... I think I'll be a cynic.

My bad it split my post up!

bushido wrote:

evilsponge wrote:
Hooray for cynicism

Call it what you will.

But if my only two choices are being a cynic or foaming at the mouth because big-bad-GW has sacrificed my first-born on the altar of profit margins... I think I'll be a cynic.

Yes, because those are the only two options, and that latter sentiment accurately characterizes the sentiments everyone here who is not a cynic has expressed.

bushido wrote:

evilsponge wrote:
Hooray for cynicism

Call it what you will.

But if my only two choices are being a cynic or foaming at the mouth because big-bad-GW has sacrificed my first-born on the altar of profit margins... I think I'll be a cynic.

No foaming at he mouth here, just trying cut through the PR spin and find out the real skinny on finecast

About whoever said they probably "cherry-picked" the best model for their finecast articles on the website,.. anyone else notice this?



A rather big hole... I've got a skulltaker next to me (metal) and it's meant to be solid...

I'm kinda worried about this new material.

whitedragon wrote:
Read OP again:

NEWSFLASH:

I heated the staff with my girlfriend's blowdryer. It only took ten seconds for the staff to go from flexable to cooked spagetti soft. The staff went limp as soon as i picked off the desk to move to a plate. This requires extreme care. The resin stuff got mushy real quick. Weird. placed in freezer for 5 minutes. Staff is now straight. Foreworld resin will fight like a bastard to get soft, and even then it is brittle when bent. Not a good sign.

Weird. Thats not what he said orginally.

bushido wrote:I don't get it. People are upset because a product can't possibly live up to its hype? Do you watch a movie trailer and think it's a perfect representation of the quality and plot of the film? Yours must be a wonderful, magical world to live in.

It's been this way since there were guys selling their "Cure-Alls" from the back of their covered wagons as they traveled from town to town. A company isn't going to say, "Buy our product! It's pretty average!"

I chuckle at those who say they rushed out and ordered 342039423 pieces of an untested product...sight unseen. Give it a little time for them to work out the kinks. Otherwise, caveat emptor.

People are upset because not only does finecast cost more, but it has more flash, it has MISCASTS EVERYWHERE.

And why was finecast done in the first place?

To save GW money.

Sarius wrote:About whoever said they probably "cherry-picked" the best model for their finecast articles on the website,.. anyone else notice this?



A rather big hole... I've got a skulltaker next to me (metal) and it's meant to be solid...

I'm kinda worried about this new material.

Is the detail on this model otherwise better, worse, or about the same, if you have one? Resin photographs better, but I wonder what the difference actually is, if any.

Honestly, it's about the same... The "Finecast" ones will be about 1/3rd of a milimetre bigger in all aspects. The flames in the hand and the teeth on his stomache-plate area look a TINY bit better in the photograph but I don't think it's worth the other problems.

Then again, metal models chip and break a lot easier, and definately in terms of assembly it's far easier with these new ones.

If you're in it for gaming, it's probably an okay move, I rarely see fully-painted miniatures at my store.

Yet if you're a decent painter, or someone who really prides themselves in their mini's and not just their "army" as a whole... you're probably not going to like the change. Unless you're patient and find the best possible mould results for the models you're after.

Actually, I think you might come up a winner in a situation where most people don't paint. If they don't prime either, these look not too bad as-is vs bare metal or black primed plastic.

Ok, checking the GW website for what's on sale now, it still lists the Mega-Nobz (skorcha and rokkit) as metal, are they not being replaced by resin?

Ouze wrote:Actually, I think you might come up a winner in a situation where most people don't paint. If they don't prime either, these look not too bad as-is vs bare metal or black primed plastic.

If true I think it's great that GW are advancing the HHHobby by providing less reason to paint an army.

A much better idea that multi-colour plastic models.

Hellfury wrote:

KingCracker wrote:Go ahead and try, Ill mail you a fist in the mouth for trying to look cool on da interwebz.

I hear that there is a cottage pr0n industry for such pics.

Orly? Ok you do the website, and Ill do the face smashing. What do ya say 50/50?

KingCracker wrote:

I think most of you guys need to buy some damn tissues, take a shower to cool off and grow the feth up. If the finecast line fails so what, HOPEFULLY GW learns its lesson and wont screw up so badly next time. I doubt itll go that far though. They have done awesome on other ventuers. APOC was a gamble for them, and we simply cant get enough of the giant tanks/stompas/titans and every army redue they have done lately has been simply fantastic looking. Who wants to really try and argue that the DE resculpts are anything but awesome? Go ahead and try, Ill mail you a fist in the mouth for trying to look cool on da interwebz.

i think someone is ignorant and needs a history lesson on GW. Apoc was NOT much of a gamble for them. Folks, even at events, we're playing large scale gams of GW with lots of tanks and titans long before Apoc came about. They just now benefit from it.

It's obvious from the OP's pics and another thread in Painting & Modeling that there is NO quality control on failcast minis.

I can't wait for the bad reception tomorrow. It should be epic.

Mr Hyena wrote:So...is there actual proof the line is pretty faulty...

Or is it just those pics from some very dodgy reviews? (and potential purposeful defamation)

Hold onto that raft as long as you can.

I just can't help but feel that this is a blatant attempt by GW to massively cut their manufacturing costs and pass it off as a huge leap in quality instead.
I predict it won't be long before 'finecast' becomes the norm and metal GW figures disappear.

Alendrel wrote:

As for other flawed models we've seen:

How about an Emperor's Champion that has a miscast Iron Cross medallion right on his chest? The one that was the very first one GW showed us in Monday's blog post introudcing Finecast?

Or an Autarch with several bubbles the break the shape of things like gems and feathers? From that same post?

Or the Blood Knight with a nice bubble in his gorget? Right in that post, too.

Or the horse for the mounted Gandalf that has had detail sanded right out? Same post.

Or the Skulltaker who has bubbles obliterating the sharp points on on his shoulder armor? The one GW is using to showcase how wonderful these are to work with in today's blog post.

This is what really concerns me. A couple of duff miniatures turning up from unknown sources is not a good sign, but doesn't mean the sky is falling. But the fact that GW's own showcase miniatures, presumably cherry-picked to be shining examples of the very fine quality on offer, are so demonstrably flawed, with bits of detail missing or mishaped due to air bubbles and miscasts... well that seems to show that 'finecast' is inherently bad quality.

Also, I hate the sound of how soft and bendy they are. The latest What's New Today contains an image showing Skulltaker's sword being bent almost double, seemingly with little effort. You have to click on one of the other images to see it, it's supposed to demonstrate how durable these models will be. It just made me cringe, it's gonna feel like dealing with cheap soft rubbery plastic toys. Finecost models will be easy to accidently bend after being painted, and then the paint's gonna crack. Pieces cut in two will probably curl at the ends (this happens sometimes with Forgeworld resin) and parts that come out of the blister already crooked (which I get a lot, most recently the DE Archon's sword) are going to be difficult to fix.

I will, as ever, wait and see. But I can't really see myself parting with money like this for products like these.

Why am I having Rackham flashbacks...

Kanluwen wrote:
I wouldn't accept subpar manufacturing from a car company because subpar automobiles can cause accidents which kill people and I wouldn't accept it from a local dining establishment because there's standards that have to be upheld.

So you think that airbubled, bended, something that need a lots of additional work (in comparison to metal) - are standarts for more superior product (again in comparison to metal)?
You logic or standarts are highly flawed...

Tailgunner wrote:Unlike, say, HBMC, I am prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt...

While I don't think GW is deserving of any benefits, 'the doubt' or otherwise, I did say, in the same post:

"... I agree that judging an entire line from from some pictures of four different products is a bad start..."

That's what some people might call a 'wait and see' attitude.

I know it's fun - and easier - for you, Tailgunner, to immediately assume that I go straight for the jugular and never even try to see the (potential) good in anything, but please don't misrepresent me.


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Kanluwen wrote:I'm not saying it's a conspiracy, but I'm saying it's dang fishy.

So not only does your pathological need to defend GW against any and all criticism see you here, once again in the trenches, fighting bitterly against anyone who would DARE to question the quality of Finecost - but now you're even going so far as to insinuate that the guy who did the original review did so with the express purpose of defaming/mocking/criticising GW?

What fantasy land do you live in Kan? Really???

Samus666 wrote: Finecost models will be easy to accidently bend after being painted, and then the paint's gonna crack.

While that may turn out to be true, I also might not. Zuzzy mats painted in acrylics roll up and fold in half without cracking. I own one and abuse the hell out of it, and the paint hasn't cracked or flaked off.

Of course, I didn't prime my mat. So, we'll see.


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H.B.M.C. wrote:So not only does your pathological need to defend GW against any and all criticism see you here, once again in the trenches, fighting bitterly against anyone who would DARE to question the quality of Finecost - but now you're even going so far as to insinuate that the guy who did the original review did so with the express purpose of defaming/mocking/criticising GW?

I think it's pretty clear and both sides were considered equally and fairly. When this guy posted them, he had obviously carefully picked out the worst looking miniature so he could make GWS look bad, and when GWS posted them up on the site, they just closed their eyes and randomly fished in the barrel for whatever they got, and it just so happened they were all flawless (because they all all, really - that one that was posted that showed a hole in in was obviously photoshopped by some hacker who jacked into the GWS mainframe and posted it there to embarrass them).

GWS is obviously going to paint their products in the best light possible, and the ingrates they sell them to will always make them look terrible because, well, ungrateful whiners are going to whine. I don't see why you find this confusing.

carmachu wrote:

whitedragon wrote:
Read OP again:

NEWSFLASH:

I heated the staff with my girlfriend's blowdryer. It only took ten seconds for the staff to go from flexable to cooked spagetti soft. The staff went limp as soon as i picked off the desk to move to a plate. This requires extreme care. The resin stuff got mushy real quick. Weird. placed in freezer for 5 minutes. Staff is now straight. Foreworld resin will fight like a bastard to get soft, and even then it is brittle when bent. Not a good sign.

Weird. Thats not what he said orginally.

Even still, to make a staff/weapon straight , I have to melt it down then freeze it so its straight? I usually dislike having to bend metal back in place, but at least i can do that without having to melt it down and then freeze it. We'll see how the models looks when they go into big production and we all start collecting and giving our own reviews.

Ouze wrote:When this guy posted them, he had obviously carefully picked out the worst looking miniature so he could make GWS look bad...

"Obviously"? Really? Then why is his review so positive?

You'd think that if his intention was to make GW look bad then his review would have looked a bit more like something I'd write?