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We knew that doctrines would go away as far back as last September. They're now being replaced with orders, all of which sound useful.

ShumaGorath wrote:armies that don't specialize in anti armor

Stop. Stop it, right there. This is rubbish. Armies that didn't prepare are going to suffer, yes. That's WAD anyway you look at it.

210 isn't that much considering it's capable of killing a full terminator squad

Other things can do that. There's always a paper to your rock. Everything can die. What exactly is the problem?

Except unlike the possessed they are ludicrously cheap

They're also ludicrously fragile. They're nothing but a nice niche unit. How come everyone pictures them as the ultimate deathstar unit?!? Surely not because of the random chance they might get a rending wound in once in a blue moon?

It's pretty extreme when you get to have those options on any unit when its conveniant. Even then though its not that extreme, just when its coupled with a substantial near army wide points decrease and increase in armament does it start to sound like a bit much. It's like how the orks got cheaper then got furious charge. And then they all got frag grenades..

And it turned out to be a beautiful codex, frags notwithstanding. Really, in my current list I save about 180-190 points net, considering all the effects, and then I don't have the points for any of the new toys. No Ogryns, no third (! not fourth or ninth!) MBT, no Valk.

I dunno about you guys, but even with ultra-redundant and unnecessary tanks and 16 Point Epic Fail Troopers, I'm still looking forward to this Codex. I mean despite there being parts that I utterly despise, like mandatory special characters, Wargear that does one thing in one Codex and another thing in a different Codex, and the way Tac Squads are written, I really like the current Marine Codex. And besides, they'd have to do some sort of gargantuan feth up to make any Codex as bad as the 'Chaos' Codex, so really everything since that half-assed excuse for a Codex has been moving on up IMO. It literally can't get any worse, so why worry?

Gonna write me up a big review like my Chaos one. See we if we can't beat Dakka's record for longest thread...

H.B.M.C. wrote:Finally some actual confirmations. No dates, but 'May' is good enough really, here is the first wave:

Codex: Imperial Guard
Cadian Command Squad [Box]
Cadian Shock Troops [Box]
Catachan Command Squad [Box]
Catachan Jungle Fighters [Box]
Imperial Guard Valkyrie [Box]
Imperial Guard Sentinel [Box]
Imperial Guard Ratlings [Unknown]
Imperial Guard Primaris Psyker [Blister]
Imperial Guard Regimental Advisors [Blister]
Imperial Guard Lord Commissar [Blister]
Imperial Guard Cadian Battleforce [Box]
Imperial Guard Catachan Battleforce [Box]

So the material that listed 4 boxes and 4 blisters was wrong. There are 8 boxes and 3 blisters, one of them Direct Only, and we don't know what the Ratlings will be in (hopefully a tiny box ala Grimaldus/Gretchin Mobz and not 3-per blister).

BYE

The information from the Design Studio Open Day was "4 plastic boxes 4 blisters and 2 battleforces (Cadian & Catachan)".

And the four boxes and blisters are:

Boxes
Cadian Command Squad (plastic)
Catachan Command Squad (plastic)
Imperial Guard Valkyrie (plastic)
Imperial Guard Sentinel (plastic)

Blisters
Imperial Guard Ratlings (metal)
Imperial Guard Primaris Psyker (metal)
Imperial Guard Regimental Advisors (metal)
Imperial Guard Lord Commissar (metal)

The two troops boxes don't count as they are not new releases, being straight re-packages of the same sprues... albeit less models for more $ per model. GW never count such re-releases as new products in their promo lovefests.

And a slight further clarification on the release dates, from April's White Dwarf:

May 2nd:
Codex Imperial Guard
Cadian Command Squad
Cadian Shock Troops
Catachan Command Squad
Catachan Jungle Fighters
Imperial Guard Valkyrie
Imperial Guard Sentinel
Imperial Guard Ratlings
Imperial Guard Primaris Psyker

May 16th:
Imperial Guard Regimental Advisors
Imperial Guard Lord Commissar
Imperial Guard Cadian Battleforce
Imperial Guard Catachan Battleforce

The 2 things I'd like to know are:

1. What units can use Valkyrie's as transports? I have heard only Storm Troopers and I have heard any unit which can use a chimera?

2. How do vets work in the new dex? Are they a single unit per army, are they an upgradable platoon? Is there a special character that allows them as troops? I have a bunch of 5 man squads from the last codex wondering what their fate is...

Thanks,
Chappy P!

Chaplain Pallantide wrote:The 2 things I'd like to know are:

1. What units can use Valkyrie's as transports? I have heard only Storm Troopers and I have heard any unit which can use a chimera?

2. How do vets work in the new dex? Are they a single unit per army, are they an upgradable platoon? Is there a special character that allows them as troops? I have a bunch of 5 man squads from the last codex wondering what their fate is...

Thanks,
Chappy P!

1. Valk's are probably going to be just a choice as to what type of transport you can take, I'm not sure if there are limitations.

2. Vets are going to be an upgrade to a platoon, IIRC.

..ignore..

Vaktathi wrote:Carapace for platoons is apparently gone, but Stormtroopers can still supposedly be taken as Troops.

Apparently an unknown ammount of Stormtroopers as troops are an upgrade for the army commander, Christ that'll be an effective army against orks @ 16 points each. At least the option is there I suppose.

No carapace would be a big setback for me, a do not pass go proceed directly to Ebay type setback.

Chaplain Pallantide wrote:The 2 things I'd like to know are:

1. What units can use Valkyrie's as transports? I have heard only Storm Troopers and I have heard any unit which can use a chimera?

2. How do vets work in the new dex? Are they a single unit per army, are they an upgradable platoon? Is there a special character that allows them as troops? I have a bunch of 5 man squads from the last codex wondering what their fate is...

Thanks,
Chappy P!

Her Majesty's Buxom Commissar wrote:..ignore..

<we now resume our regular broadcast> Sorry about that.

Latest info from those who have had sneeky peaks at earlybird copies of the Codex:

1. Valkyries don't appear to be a transport option. They are a Fast Attack choice and 1-3 in a squadron.

2. Veteran squads are a seperate Troops choice and are much like they are now.

Any word on how radical the changes are to the new Sentinel kit? I know that all weapon options and some upgrades (enclosed crew compartment) are all present in plastic thankfully, but beyond that anything new? I keep hearing that the legs will offer more flexibility in posing, is this true?

Her Majesty's Buxom Commissar wrote:
Latest info from those who have had sneeky peaks at earlybird copies of the Codex:

1. Valkyries don't appear to be a transport option. They are a Fast Attack choice and 1-3 in a squadron.

2. Veteran squads are a seperate Troops choice and are much like they are now.

There are two type of Valks rumored.

This is directly from Warseer

Transports:

Fast Skimmer. Apparently 90-100pts. Troops may disembark at any point in its movement, but more than 12" and they take a dangerous terrain check. Was rumoured to allow embarked troops to deploy after deep striking. Another rumour says they will be able to DS more accurately like Drop Pods. It was originally rumoured to only be a transport for Stormtroopers, but more recently it has been said it will be available to all units that have access to Chimeras. This may be tied to a Special Character.

Fast Attack:

Valkyrie Vendetta
The “up-gunned” version of the Valkyrie. 1-3 as a single Fast Attack choice

If you have seen the Codex, can you confirm/deny this?

Valks, are a fast attack chocie, 1-3 available.

They can DS and have scout.

UNits can grav chute out of them even if they move flat out, but if they scatter then they must take dangerous terrain tests. Stormtroopers can, of course, reroll the dice when deep striking.

Gunship is another entry indeed.

Veterans are another entry as well.

Sentinel legs are indeed more "bendy".

Damn...got suckered back in again didn't I.

BrookM wrote:Any word on how radical the changes are to the new Sentinel kit? I know that all weapon options and some upgrades (enclosed crew compartment) are all present in plastic thankfully, but beyond that anything new? I keep hearing that the legs will offer more flexibility in posing, is this true?

Well, I've seen the box for the Sentinel, which definitely *appears* to have the legs in a radically different pose than the current sentinel, but it was at a head on angle so hard to tell.

The open-topped image showed a new, small search light attached to side, apparently to the 'roll-cage'. Speaking of, the bars appeared a little more sleek than they are currently. The crew compartment did appear to be 'fully enclosed', ala the Armaggedon pattern, without the open top of the Cadian pattern.

Overall it looks alot more sharp, but not drastically different.

Sorry I don't remember what the pilot or weapons looked like.


EDIT: Also, I heard some wild rumor (possibly from a redshirt) that Sentinels can DS out of a Valk, ala Elysians.. Possibly even 2 Sents at a time. What's the reliability of such a rumor, O Ye Resident Expert?

You're our lifeline Red, <3.

So is the valk only fast attack? Or fast attack AND transport selection?

The chimera is the only vehicle listed in the "dedicated transport" section.

It's possible that certain units or indeed characters might have access to one as a transport, but nothing sprang out to say that.

But, the devil is often in the detail right ?

<oh well, I see reds8n has pretty much answered this, but...>

I haven't personally seen the new Codex, but can confirm the Vendetta exists... not much beyond that though. What I said in my earlier post applies to the Valkyrie, I don't know if it also applies to the Vendetta. I assuming it does, but that's just me.

Chaplain Pallantide wrote:The 2 things I'd like to know are:

1. What units can use Valkyrie's as transports? I have heard only Storm Troopers and I have heard any unit which can use a chimera?

2. How do vets work in the new dex? Are they a single unit per army, are they an upgradable platoon? Is there a special character that allows them as troops? I have a bunch of 5 man squads from the last codex wondering what their fate is...

Thanks,
Chappy P!

I'm quite new to the game, just started my army 6 months ago. It's looks like I did choose a bad time to start, new codex coming out, worlds economy in crisis... bah... Dammed Easter Europian luck!

BTW, I like the tons of tanks, guess I'm a treadhead. I just started to make a punisher conversation, for fun.

Did we determine how many men are in a Heavy Weapon Squad? 6 or 10?

I know it was mentioned before but I dont know if it was answered, did we confirm platoon squads can take a 2nd special weapon in place of a heavy?

Any word on changes to options for Vets and points costs on Ogryns?

Called it: Stormtroopers are just vespids. They would have been overrated at 10 points, and are more obviously so at 16. Marine players will whine until they actually have to face them a couple times and they notice they actually aren't that great even against the enemy they're designed to beat.

Is there any news about the artillery? In particular, any specifics about siege shells? I'm happy to see the Griffon coming back.

Raxmei wrote:Called it: Stormtroopers are just vespids. They would have been overrated at 10 points, and are more obviously so at 16. Marine players will whine until they actually have to face them a couple times and they notice they actually aren't that great even against the enemy they're designed to beat.

Is there any news about the artillery? In particular, any specifics about siege shells? I'm happy to see the Griffon coming back.

I like the idea of them, but 16 pts? Too pricy.

We don't know the actual entry as of yet, this includes their orders and what those might mean for the unit.

reds8n wrote: The chimera is the only vehicle listed in the "dedicated transport" section.

It's possible that certain units or indeed characters might have access to one as a transport, but nothing sprang out to say that.

But, the devil is often in the detail right ?

Ugh... If no one gets the Valk as a DT, then I'm passing on starting a guard army. My Entire plan has been to do an Imperial Navy army :/ At least I'll be able to get Valks for Apoc games..

Cyporiean wrote:Ugh... If no one gets the Valk as a DT, then I'm passing on starting a guard army. My Entire plan has been to do an Imperial Navy army :/ At least I'll be able to get Valks for Apoc games..

then do it. what difference does it make if you take them as 3 for 1 in a FA slot? they still get to transport who ever you like. maybe i'm reading the rules wrong but i thought independent vehicles can pick up/drop off/deploy with whoever they want. the only thing you're sacrificing is a FA slot.

Isn't it a 0-1 FA slot for 3 of them?

GW has been removing most arbitrary 0-1 slots and no rumors have mentioned anything other then Valks can be bought as squadrons 1-3. So having 9 pretty likely. It is a tad annoying though, as getting in and out of a squadron of transports is gonna be fiddly if they have to stay within 4".

Any word on whether Ogryn can ride in Valks?

No word that they can't!

If it is a full 9, thats not too horrible.. I'll just buy an old GI Joe USS FLAG and put it in my deployment zone.

Thanks for the updates guys!

Am I reading corrctly that our heavy weapons are now plasma gun insta-killable? That's good news.

On an Apoclypse note, is anyone else confused about how useful the banesword will be since it can never move and fire it's main gun?

OK, griping over. I'm still excited.

Thanks everyone for answering my questions, however I have just one question:

1. What are the veteran's point cost? Hopefully well below 16pts?? If they are troop choices and not limited in anyway, that may very well be the route I go with IG...screw Overpriced Storm Troopers =D

Thanks again for answering my other questions.
Chappy P!

Glaive Company CO wrote:

On an Apoclypse note, is anyone else confused about how useful the banesword will be since it can never move and fire it's main gun?

.

Personally, I'm trying to figure out why you'd bother moving it anyways!