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Hey, haven't posted in a long time... I've got an Apocalypse game coming up at the FLG and apparently last time they held one someone brought a Bio-Titan. I cracked open the Apocalypse rulebook to check out this bad boy and just have this to say - Oh. My. God. This thing is going to lay waste to whoever tries to face it. Does anyone have any experience against Hierophants that can give me any pointers in case this thing shows up next weekend? I play Space Wolves just for the record, and there's probably going to be at least 8 other people there, so chances are that even if it shows up then some one else can deal with it, but still I just want to know, thanks.

i've seen hierophants taken down by lots and lots of dreadnoughts. So dreadnought spam will work.

force weapons or just lots of dreadnought spam.
Thunderhawks, reaver titans.

Spam D weapons. Or a force weapon. Well, you play Wolves, so why not take loads of LFs with ML/ Lascannons?

so what so fearsome about it?
shoot it some heavy weapons and it will die
it don't even have inv save

Str D & AP 1-2 weapons especially Lascannons. The best it will ever have is a 2+ armor & 5+ cover (Venomthrope). It appears really scary but unless there are multiples it's a huge fire magnet. I wouldn't count on force weapons, Mostly you will need a 4 to hit & a 6 to wound, odds are stacked against you but you could try.

and -phant has EW so force weapons=fail

I stand by the giant green suppository known as Ghazghkull for all my slaying needs.

A vortex grenade if you can have one would be quite useful. If you've got an IG player, tell him to take the Vortex Missile Launcher formation if he can. That baby will take care of your nid horde problem.

... As an eldar player i normally send my fire dragons in ... sure they die but heck vs nids its the best target ....

Note I've also fought the forge world rules ... that's a lot harder to kill as the crazy fools gave it mass points as well as wounds and a 2+/5++...

read more here http://www.lski.org/pictures/TableTopGaming/GW/40k/ForgeWorld/hierophant.pdf

LF spam
D-weapons
titanhammer squads, a sanguinary preist with TDA, Vulkan and lysander.

2+/3++ FNP, a 4-wound EW to soak up incoming fire, 20 master-crafted S8 no-armour attacks which make it I1, 4 S10 master-crafted no armour attacks, and to help, a vortex grenade and less scattering. Ouch. That is a pricey unit that can kill MC's, super-heavies, and just about anything. It will be a fire magnet. One that I favour is vanguard veterans with TH/SS, shrike, korvydae, and as many JP-equipped men as you can.
-infiltrate 18" away from it.
-jump to be 6" away from it.
-fleet closer.
-assault the remaining distance, and then:

you get 19 TH attacks, 5 re-roll to hit and wound rending attacks, furious charge, hit & run and stealth.

Devastator wrote:and -phant has EW so force weapons=fail

This I did not know. In that case, just use loads of HW.

Or, alternatively, make an army that's such an unappealing target, he won't sick it on you. So, no hordes of men, and no hordes of tanks. And no expensive units.

Maybe not turn up at all? It'll mean you won't have to worry about getting eaten at all!

Go in the far corner of the table, preferably behing a fortress wall, with several basilisks.
Or flank march about 20 empty drop pods, all with ML's.

It's only T8 with a 2+ and 5++ invo, which isn't that good for 833 points.

There are quite a few CC deathstars that could take it out.

Anything that can wound it and bypass the 2+ will find the 5++ invo laughable

10 TH/SS termies and a chaplain charge, 2 die before I1

8 TH/SS termies with a chaplain left alive=24 attacks=18 hits=9 wounds=6 unsaved wounds=dead 833 point biotitan. Not bad for a 500 point deathstar.

schadenfreude wrote:It's only T8 with a 5+ invo, which isn't that good for 833 points.

IMO the smaller ones (heirodules) (sp?) are more worth the points.

Try some sort of Flyer, Hierophants can't touch them in CC, but be wary of their Bio-Cannons. You want to go for something that's good in CC, but doesn't rely on Initiative 1 weapons, such as Power Fists. Dreadnoughts are good for this, as well as TH/SS Termies, as even though they're I1, their 3++ gives them extra survivability. Also, try loading up on Plasma: Try, for example, a unit of Sternguard with Plasma Rifles (their Boltguns are useless against it, even when using the Poisoned (2+) bolts)

i would suggest not using plasma, i think its t8 or t9, your going to be wounding on a 5+ and then it gets its 5++

Oh yeah, forgot that you could try Melta instead.

It depends on what rules your using. FW rules are the 833 pts version that has that weird mass points system...The Apocalypse rules (which are, if I'm not mistaken, more modern, and therefore the version likely to be used) are quite different.

Tri wrote:... As an eldar player i normally send my fire dragons in ... sure they die but heck vs nids its the best target ....

Note I've also fought the forge world rules ... that's a lot harder to kill as the crazy fools gave it mass points as well as wounds and a 2+/5++...

read more here http://www.lski.org/pictures/TableTopGaming/GW/40k/ForgeWorld/hierophant.pdf

ChrisWWII wrote:It depends on what rules your using. FW rules are the 833 pts version that has that weird mass points system...The Apocalypse rules (which are, if I'm not mistaken, more modern, and therefore the version likely to be used) are quite different.

I can pretty much guarantee that they'd be using Apocalypse rules for it. The Apoc Hierophant is considerably more powerful than the FW one. It's 415 more points, but it has double the wounds, 8 Attacks, T9, a better gun (48", S10, AP3, Assault 8), regenerate and has Warp Field. Personally I don't really think it's worth the points, but even still it's going to be a fun challenge.

Assaulting the Hierophant seems foolish (between the Hierphant's spore clouds and lash whips), although I might use my Venerable Dreadnought to tie it down. Heavy ranged fire seems like the best option. In any case I want to kill this thing though - seriously that's a ton of glory that no Space Wolves player would pass up lol.

the Appoc version is truely a problem.

it has 10 wounds and has Regeneration.


your best bet is to spam Str8+ weapons. Lascannon Longfangs will do a number on it.

a Titan of your own can drop a couple wounds on it each turn. a Warhound with 2 Turbolasers is fast enough to avoid it and drop at least 2 wounds a turn on it that it only saves on 5+. it can run away and still fire 1 gun while fleeting.



a Titan hammer formation will do something. toss the Vortex grenade in and then assault with the terminators. you have a 3++ save to weather it's attacks and you then wound on 4s and it's just got a 5++

Hmm, I like the vortex grenade suggestion, but it gives me another idea - I have Lukas the Trickster, so if my heavy weapons fail to bring the Bio-titan down before it reaches my lines, I could put up a screen of Blood Claws and make sure that Lukas gets killed and uses Last Laugh on the Hierophant.

it still requires a dice off between you and your oponent that the Titan has a 50% chance of surviving.

Q. Does Lukas the Tricksterʼs The Last Laugh special rule
affect friendly models? How about vehicles? Or Warlordclass
Titans, for that matter? (p52)
A. Yes in all three cases – it affects any unit in base
contact. Stasis fields are very all-or-nothing affairs!

Please, please do not legitimize this stupid fracking ruling. I beg you.

In a situation like this, I'd take a Predator Assassination team. Take Devastators too. I don't think Terminators are going to be cost efficient enough, not to mention they're easier to avoid.

You could always take greyknights?

Force Weapon of Eternal warrior.

Suck it, Nids

Grey Templar wrote:Force Weapon of Eternal warrior.

Suck it, Nids

Grey Knight Terminators can insta kill any infantry in the game. Toss a grand master in, its an Apoc game, and anything on the table will QUACK IN FEAR! YES, THEY WILL QUACK!

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2620179_Imperial_Guard_Datasheet_-_Armageddon_Stompa_Hunters.pdf_

Take Lascannon Sentinels and the asset that lets you hit on 2+ for a turn. They get double shots and effectively have BS 5 for a turn. That should dump a large number of wounds on it. LasCannons seem like the best ranged tool, to me. Even plasma type weapons wound on 6's. Of course, I think DEldar have a leg up with all their poison.

DarkHound wrote:Q. Does Lukas the Tricksterʼs The Last Laugh special rule
affect friendly models? How about vehicles? Or Warlordclass
Titans, for that matter? (p52)
A. Yes in all three cases – it affects any unit in base
contact. Stasis fields are very all-or-nothing affairs!

Please, please do not legitimize this stupid fracking ruling. I beg you.

In a situation like this, I'd take a Predator Assassination team. Take Devastators too. I don't think Terminators are going to be cost efficient enough, not to mention they're easier to avoid.

I don't like the rule myself, it's rather stupid, but if there's a Bio-titan bearing down on my lines then it's going to be my very last resort. I'd rather not lose a whole squad of Blood Claws for nothing...