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And if GW wins, their prices won't rise? Cute!

NELS1031 wrote:

Eldanar wrote: How many internet sales stores went out of business because of GW's internet sales policy?

I'm extremely biased in this regard, but I hope all of them.

How can you lament the plight of BAM stores and internet stores in the same statement?

GW stores sell at regular retail, and also only have one product range(The GW Hobby). A BAM has that same product range as well as a stable of others at a discount. If an indy shop goes out of business when a GW store opens up shop down the street, it was doing something wrong to begin with. If an established market jumps ship to a more expensive store, that indy shop and its owner has no business... being in business. I don't buy the whole "GW put our local hobby shop out of business" thing. I have 2 shops down the street from me that each only sell one of particular brand and they have never been a legit competitor to my place.

Sorry about the off topic rant and hope it didn't come off as condenscending or preachy, Eldanar, but I just can't agree with your statements about GW's treatment of indy shops and internet vendors.

Sorry to cut out some of your post, but I believe GW normally stops its supply to the independent stores in the area prior to opening its' own shop, so that there is no competition.

Cheers

Andrew

Kroothawk wrote:And if GW wins, their prices won't rise? Cute!

Well, not for a while at least.
Hell, they might go down as a showing of good will to those who supported them.

JSK-Fox wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:And if GW wins, their prices won't rise? Cute!

Well, not for a while at least.
Hell, they might go down as a showing of good will to those who supported them.

Dream on

Well just in case I have just placed my first order with Chaperhouse. So this week its G.W 0 - C.H 1 as far as my pocket money is concerned!
I have ordered me 4 sets of the Ymgarl Heads as I really want to use them on my own alien race. I would suggest that anyone thinking of placing a order with them do it now. You never know wha might happen and it's better to get the stuff before its to late.
Also I just checked out the C.H terms of service, seems they are only to happy to help G.W really.

Chapterhouse Studios is a trademark of Chapterhouse Studios LLC

Chapterhouse Studios uses the following trademarked terms for descriptive purposes only in Good Faith.
Chapterhouse Studios states that our use of the trademarked terms listed below in our product descriptions constitutes fair use and nominative use and is in no way to offer confusion that Chapterhouse Studios and any of the following noted trademark holders are related companies, nor do we state that we are endorsed by these trademark holders. We are an AFTERMARKET company acting in GOOD FAITH in providing high quality products to loyal customers who have already purchased products related to these trademarks. Chapterhouse Studios is actually providing these trademark holders a venue of free advertising and indirectly provide these trademark holders with more sales leads.
Warhammer 40,000 and Space Marines is a trademark of Games Workshop LLC



Copyright © 2000-2009 Chapterhouse Studios LLC. All rights reserved.

JSK-Fox wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:And if GW wins, their prices won't rise? Cute!

Well, not for a while at least.
Hell, they might go down as a showing of good will to those who supported them.

LOL!

Seriously, why on Earth would you ever think that?

AndrewC wrote:

NELS1031 wrote:

Eldanar wrote: How many internet sales stores went out of business because of GW's internet sales policy?

I'm extremely biased in this regard, but I hope all of them.

How can you lament the plight of BAM stores and internet stores in the same statement?

GW stores sell at regular retail, and also only have one product range(The GW Hobby). A BAM has that same product range as well as a stable of others at a discount. If an indy shop goes out of business when a GW store opens up shop down the street, it was doing something wrong to begin with. If an established market jumps ship to a more expensive store, that indy shop and its owner has no business... being in business. I don't buy the whole "GW put our local hobby shop out of business" thing. I have 2 shops down the street from me that each only sell one of particular brand and they have never been a legit competitor to my place.

Sorry about the off topic rant and hope it didn't come off as condenscending or preachy, Eldanar, but I just can't agree with your statements about GW's treatment of indy shops and internet vendors.

Sorry to cut out some of your post, but I believe GW normally stops its supply to the independent stores in the area prior to opening its' own shop, so that there is no competition.

Cheers

Andrew

Now that you mention it, I realised there's not a legitimate Indy store within a good two miles of any GW Gaming Center. I say legitimate because I see alot of stores that keep GW products (and some casted counterfeits) behind counters.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:

AndrewC wrote:

Sorry to cut out some of your post, but I believe GW normally stops its supply to the independent stores in the area prior to opening its' own shop, so that there is no competition.

Cheers

Andrew

Now that you mention it, I realised there's not a legitimate Indy store within a good two miles of any GW Gaming Center. I say legitimate because I see alot of stores that keep GW products (and some casted counterfeits) behind counters.

I'd prefer GW comes out on top because I've never been a fan of Chapterhouse's goods, the quality just doesn't seem to be that good. That and from what I've seen the Chapterhouse people aren't the friendliest lot when it come to people criticizing their products. Also they were silly enough to blatantly name sections of their bits based off the Chapters they were created for.

Neconilis wrote:

JSK-Fox wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:And if GW wins, their prices won't rise? Cute!

Well, not for a while at least.
Hell, they might go down as a showing of good will to those who supported them.

LOL!

Seriously, why on Earth would you ever think that?

Delusion.

Boomer wrote:

Chapterhouse Studios is a trademark of Chapterhouse Studios LLC

Chapterhouse Studios uses the following trademarked terms for descriptive purposes only in Good Faith.
Chapterhouse Studios states that our use of the trademarked terms listed below in our product descriptions constitutes fair use and nominative use and is in no way to offer confusion that Chapterhouse Studios and any of the following noted trademark holders are related companies, nor do we state that we are endorsed by these trademark holders. We are an AFTERMARKET company acting in GOOD FAITH in providing high quality products to loyal customers who have already purchased products related to these trademarks. Chapterhouse Studios is actually providing these trademark holders a venue of free advertising and indirectly provide these trademark holders with more sales leads.
Warhammer 40,000 and Space Marines is a trademark of Games Workshop LLC



Copyright © 2000-2009 Chapterhouse Studios LLC. All rights reserved.

high quality products

HIGH QUALITY PRODUCTS

Chapterhouse, high quality products? Thats a laugh.

Is it the sculpt or the cast you are complaining about there?

BrotherStynier wrote:
high quality products

HIGH QUALITY PRODUCTS

Chapterhouse, high quality products? Thats a laugh.

Well I will be able to tell when I get my order.
I have to say placing and paying for my order was easy and straight forward. So thats a good point right there. But they said that shipping was $5 but once i had placed my order it was $6. Now I know this is not alot really because they are shipping from the US to the UK. But that information should be right. Now depending on the speed of delivery and the quality of the product will mean if i order for them again. I will post again when I get my stuff. But i do have say if i thought the product was going to be low quality then i woundnt buy it im not stupid £18 for 24 mini heads is not cheap.

Also I love games workshop I really do, but Im little shocked by the general outcry against C.H here on the this thread. I would expect this on Whineseer do not really here. It's quite hostile.
I don't have any connection to C.H but they do seem like a tiny group of people who are only trying to provide a much wanted service to a small niche hobby not a money grabbing company G.W appear to be. I remember the outcry when G.W stopped doing a bitz service. For some it ruined the hobby. For me it made converting harder. But since then there have been several cool small compaines pop up and not only too fill the gap but really provide a even better service than when G.W did it. If G.W win this then I don't what the result for C.H will be but i hope it will not kill of this kind of service becuase for some like me converting and scatch building is almost a hobby in itself. And i was stand up for the underdog so I will throw my support in C.H's direction.

In an ideal scenario, GW would win, but would not stomp CH.

Hopefully GW isn't too defensive and decise to keep CH as is, just with some renaming on some products done (as someone mentioned earlier "28mm power armour shoulder pads")

Hell, GW could even attempt to buy into CH. Have them as a seperate company, but in a way that they are working with them. So GW want some new heads and/or shoulder pads to coincide with say, the new WHFB Orcs release. Instead of focussing on the little parts, they can ask CH to churn out a few, whilst they get on with the boxed sets and whatever.



Long story short, I'm voting GW, but hoping that they ease off on CH.

S_P

well this one looks like it is sorted people whant chapterhouse because it is the bigger company and can defend itself what if they could all get along and work for the greater good of 40K

BrotherStynier wrote:Chapterhouse, high quality products? Thats a laugh.

I am not laughing, I just made another order, and not to save money, but for the quality.

I want GW to win.

Why? Pretty simple, it may act as a case which opens the door for other more unscrupulous instances where cheap counterfiet knockoffs and improper use of tradmarks, along with breaches of copyright may utilize to become more commonplace.

It's really in my opinion a bit like the little boy with his finger in the dam.

Well, I've never gotten anything from CH, but I fail to see how CH broke the law. I'm not a lawyer, and I don't know the terms & conditions, but why CH? There are a lot of other companies to sue. They give them different names and say "they look good on GW's X models". They're not taking credit for GW's stuff or making copies or anything.
I'm gonna get CH's heresy-era JP's, so I hope they don't close.

I'll check the quality for myself when I get my Tervigon conversion kit next week.

Mr Mystery wrote:Is it the sculpt or the cast you are complaining about there?

I don't like their sculpts but I haven't seen any complaining that the quality isn't there.

I've seen plenty of people complaining about the quality of FW models.

Anyone used to resin casting knows that resin models are prone to a number of faults that are not found in an injection kit of standard quality.

NELS1031 wrote:

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:

AndrewC wrote:

Sorry to cut out some of your post, but I believe GW normally stops its supply to the independent stores in the area prior to opening its' own shop, so that there is no competition.

Cheers

Andrew

Now that you mention it, I realised there's not a legitimate Indy store within a good two miles of any GW Gaming Center. I say legitimate because I see alot of stores that keep GW products (and some casted counterfeits) behind counters.

I live in a place in Maryland where there were around 5 GWs within a half hour, including a bunker and Indy shops always had GW stuff in stock since I've been in the hobby. In fact, I got into the hobby from Games and Stuff in Glen Burnie back in the day and it is still there, whereas the closest GW stores are leaving because of rent costs/HQ moving. I think you've been misinformed, AndrewC.

QFT. Wargames Emporium in Sheffield is just 10 minutes walk away from the nearest GW, has a permanent 10% discount on the GW stuff and has been around for 15 years.

Kilkrazy wrote:I've seen plenty of people complaining about the quality of FW models.

Anyone used to resin casting knows that resin models are prone to a number of faults that are not found in an injection kit of standard quality.

I don't know anyone that's complained about the quality of the sculpting on FW models, regardless of casting issues and mold wear. The casting process would have to somehow improve the sculpt of CH models for me to consider them in the same ballpark.

Kilkrazy wrote:I'll check the quality for myself when I get my Tervigon conversion kit next week.

Then we can compare our results: Also ordered a conversion, just to add variety to my two Russian ones (CH's will become the HQ Tervigon).

yeah,
voted GW.

IMO, Chapterhouse are a bunch of leaches damaging the reputation of this hobby with sub standard bits.

Panic.

Kroothawk wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:I'll check the quality for myself when I get my Tervigon conversion kit next week.

Then we can compare our results: Also ordered a conversion, just to add variety to my two Russian ones (CH's will become the HQ Tervigon).

Since there seems to be a lot of interest in this I'll post the condition of my Ymargl heads when I get them, which should be any day now since I got the email that they shipped some time around Tuesday.

I always wonder if the people who say our stuff is crap have ever actually seen it in person. Or are they just jumping on the bandwagon and repeating what they here.

My salamander space marine army with tons of Chapterhouse Bits and conversion piece won "Best Looking Army" at BOLScon in 2009, this was out of 250+ armies. So either the judges were blind or some people have a biased opinion against CH for other reasons.



Granted the pictures on our site need to be better to showcase our products.

Holdenstein wrote:

NELS1031 wrote:

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:

AndrewC wrote:

Sorry to cut out some of your post, but I believe GW normally stops its supply to the independent stores in the area prior to opening its' own shop, so that there is no competition.

Cheers

Andrew

Now that you mention it, I realised there's not a legitimate Indy store within a good two miles of any GW Gaming Center. I say legitimate because I see alot of stores that keep GW products (and some casted counterfeits) behind counters.

I live in a place in Maryland where there were around 5 GWs within a half hour, including a bunker and Indy shops always had GW stuff in stock since I've been in the hobby. In fact, I got into the hobby from Games and Stuff in Glen Burnie back in the day and it is still there, whereas the closest GW stores are leaving because of rent costs/HQ moving. I think you've been misinformed, AndrewC.

QFT. Wargames Emporium in Sheffield is just 10 minutes walk away from the nearest GW, has a permanent 10% discount on the GW stuff and has been around for 15 years.

Just to re-emphasise, Gamer's World in Dublin is literally just round the corner from GW Liffey Street, Ireland's main GW store.

I had intended to write an eloquently worded post as to why I was in hopes of an CH victory...but I thought to myself.."Why be a hypocrite".

Honestly...I want to see GW take a shot in the pills.

The "IP" that GW so viciously protects,in many cases,is simply someone else's "IP" that GW has slightly altered and slapped their "trademark"on...so yes,I do hope CH wins.

Cant GW just buy out Chapter House studios and sell the awesome shoulder pads and stuff for themselves?