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Chaos legions will be out in January or February dependant on necron sales, however it will probably be January.

This sounds too good to be true. No way we'll get 3 40k armies ('crons, Tau and Chaos) in a row.

I think he's mat ward !

OMG... The Horus Heresy artbook was pure deranged fun. I'm glad they're taking design cues from it.

Ward's more than capable of writing the truly weird and shocking, but he always spices it with a dose of humor that I appreciate but don't think fits the armies of Chaos.

Chaos, be it Daemons, Legions, Renegades or whatever, should be the kind of books that raise concern amongst parents and nightmares amongst fans. I want the 40k kiddies to wake up crying in the middle of the night, assaulted by tortuous dreams of ancient tentacled non-beings, older fans to sink further into depression as they look into the stars and realize that there is no hope but the mindless will of forces we cannot master or even attempt to comprehend, because everytime they toss a coin or roll the dice the sinuous, feathered many-hands of Tzeentch are behind, slowly weaving their fates into an endless web of fictions and lies and stories and facts intertwined with the threads of enthropy itself and... aaaargh!!!!... ALL HAIL THE LORD OF CHANGE!... CHAOS REIGNS!

Ummm... what was that?

Got this horrible feeling that this is all part of a GW mis-information campaign and that the next codex out will be a Gretchin codex or something. I've been in the hobby for 25+ years and I've seen a lot of false dawns.

ghost21 wrote:

I assume the Red Corsairs will figure prominently in the Renegade book? Will they try and give Renegade chapters more "codex/loyalist" gear?

Not exactly. As I understand, it's a LATD list first and foremost.
Traitor generals, guard, SOME marines, mutants, cults etc.
(...)
I shouldn't but....

Okay, true they have stagnated, but do you think they sit about drinking beer and catching rays?
No, they constantly fight, so I think they are sharp if not sharper than most Marines

Knowing what I know.. and I don't like angry marines because they are angry... but they've expanded beyond that khorne wants skulls true, he wants blood equally true, but the path of devotion doesnt make them all frothing loonies. Khan is an enigma, a one off, if they were all like him, well he'd be the last.

I have to say I'm excited for chaos, there is allot allot of inspiration from the 3.5 dex, with warsmiths, dark apostles and the alpha legion rules. Well, lets say they have a dual command structure

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:Got this horrible feeling that this is all part of a GW mis-information campaign and that the next codex out will be a Gretchin codex or something. I've been in the hobby for 25+ years and I've seen a lot of false dawns.

I would totally buy a Gretchin codex.

Well, i still have high hopes for this. it could be a lot of fun. The rumor that you can have chaos gaurd, and marines together... AWESOME> about time in my book.

I still don't believe a lot of what is being said here. I apply salt to most things Ghost posts personally, but this more-so than usual for me.

I don't believe things Ghost says very often, but god damn Warsmiths coming back and LatD focus make me giddy.

With the number of rumors you can normally tell whats next. The general lack of details here suggests we wont see this codex until around march - april atleast. If new rumours come to light about whats in the book in the next month then it will be sooner thats what i think.

lord_blackfang wrote:

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:Got this horrible feeling that this is all part of a GW mis-information campaign and that the next codex out will be a Gretchin codex or something. I've been in the hobby for 25+ years and I've seen a lot of false dawns.

I would totally buy a Gretchin codex.

We all would like a Gretchin codex!


Hopefully chaos gets some love soon! It has spent far too long being the big bad guys in the novels without the models to match it.

I'll believe it when I see it. I'm too cynical to get really excited at this point.

When did rumors heard from actual game designers / seen actual concept/ sculpt arts
turn into
predictions of what makes sense to be made?

"he is bigger and spikier, ya i saw his model"

herp derp.....

FINALLY! I'm setting aside enough money for 2 more armies before I stop buying GW stuff. I was planning to buy a Daemons army but I think I'll wait for this next codex release, so if the rumors are true I'll be able to get the army that appeals to me most after the release. I just hope it isnt overpowered like Grey Knights if Ward is doing it.

Man, that red angel is making my pants tight, I can't wait to see what he looks like. I've always loved the idea of a BA turning to khorne, where he can have all the blood he wants The fact that he was around in the HH and is ten thousand years old is just icing on the cake!

Sounds good. I can now collect a general "Chaos Force" and make any of three armies well. SO, you can build more or less a "Chaos incursion" with Daemons, cultists and marines!

I wonder what the structure of the cultist army will look like? 40k Skaven, maybe? Probably would have to be different from IG for people to buy it

dont really get it that warsmiths makes so many people drool... are they that amazing? i mean, wouldent it be more interesting if there where simply more options for the hq in general or is a servo harness that essential? to me, it lacks creativity to simply want "dark tech marines" and calling it chaos-y.

i dont really feel that hot about legion-specific rules. to me that would simply be restrictive and deny a lot of nice options to the rest of the army. a broader list of options that would fit the legions fluff too, now thats what i would want.

tarnish wrote:dont really get it that warsmiths makes so many people drool... are they that amazing? i mean, wouldent it be more interesting if there where simply more options for the hq in general or is a servo harness that essential? to me, it lacks creativity to simply want "dark tech marines" and calling it chaos-y.

That's a good point. For all the complaints that the current CSM are just loyalists with spikes, there sure is a lot of calls for Spiky Techmarines and Spiky Chaplains (Dark Apostles)

lord_blackfang wrote:

tarnish wrote:dont really get it that warsmiths makes so many people drool... are they that amazing? i mean, wouldent it be more interesting if there where simply more options for the hq in general or is a servo harness that essential? to me, it lacks creativity to simply want "dark tech marines" and calling it chaos-y.

That's a good point. For all the complaints that the current CSM are just loyalists with spikes, there sure is a lot of calls for Spiky Techmarines and Spiky Chaplains (Dark Apostles)

I think the only people who are roaring for spiky techmarines and spiky chaplains are the poor souls who collected Word Bearers and Iron Warriors and feel that these HQ options really make up the core of their army. Iron Warriors don't really seem chaos-y to me anyway, more like " the Emperor, we'll do what we want!" (In Cartman's voice)
And Dark Apostles seem like a necessary part of Word Bearer cults, namely the true summoners of daemons. So it makes sense for them to come back. Players for other chaos armies, like myself, probably couldn't care less about these guys, but we'll surely try them out if/when they come back.

I want Fabio Stomach Acid to make some really interesting things happen. The switch places with another model on trazyn(iirc, its one of those necrons) could be interesting as to his use of clones. Supeing up those around him is neat too, but this is a mad doctor, they could do alot with him more than, hey these guys hit a little bit harder. That said, I wouldn't want them to just start piling on abilities that will cause his price to skyrocket.
Anyways, Bile has always been one of my favorite 40k characters, and I hope he doesn't get forgotten by the wayside.

lord_blackfang wrote:

tarnish wrote:dont really get it that warsmiths makes so many people drool... are they that amazing? i mean, wouldent it be more interesting if there where simply more options for the hq in general or is a servo harness that essential? to me, it lacks creativity to simply want "dark tech marines" and calling it chaos-y.

That's a good point. For all the complaints that the current CSM are just loyalists with spikes, there sure is a lot of calls for Spiky Techmarines and Spiky Chaplains (Dark Apostles)

Well realistically its more like a Chaos master of the forge.... but I agree, here are ways that GW can make those two concepts more interesting. While those characterizations are generally correct someone is bonding daemons to vehicles and someone is leading the rituals to summon daemons... and it isn't just a lord without any experience in those two things.

Its largely a case of there are positions and capabilities that stand inescapably in parallel with loyalist marines and then there are those that are not. I don't think including options of representing the leadership of specific factions that emphasize chaos techmarines and chaplains is bad, because is speaks so drastically to those armies characterizations while being a relatively small proportion of those particular army lists. It isn't as if they'd be available to all chaos factions, but they should be to those who use them. A legion codex needs to lack certain distinctive Imperial technology, with an emphasis on how Chaos has compensated for the necessity... like having lesser daemon weapons instead of relics, having more diverse daemon engines instead of "ump-teen" vehicle variants. Having a Dark Apostle and Warsmith don't detract from that.


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CpatTom wrote:I want Fabio Stomach Acid to make some really interesting things happen. The switch places with another model on trazyn(iirc, its one of those necrons) could be interesting as to his use of clones. Supeing up those around him is neat too, but this is a mad doctor, they could do alot with him more than, hey these guys hit a little bit harder. That said, I wouldn't want them to just start piling on abilities that will cause his price to skyrocket.
Anyways, Bile has always been one of my favorite 40k characters, and I hope he doesn't get forgotten by the wayside.

I think his rules should mirror and parallel those of Haemonculi given his history with them.

I am loving these rumors. I hope they bring back the old fluff and make Chaos the multi-faceted, complex and awesome force that it was.

timetowaste85 wrote:Iron Warriors don't really seem chaos-y to me anyway, more like " the Emperor, we'll do what we want!" (In Cartman's voice)

But that's pretty much what IW were about all along, Warsmiths or not. Very much like Night Lords and Alpha Legion; not worshipers but dissenters.

The 3.5 dex was pure ecstacy. It's odd that GW even made a 4th edition codex. There was no real purpose to it. The 3.5 dex was perfect

If they're taking idea from that codex, than it's almost a guarantee that it's good

ghost21 wrote:I know a lot of you have questions about individual units and legions. I'll try to address them all, however there are limits on how much I can get away with.

I'll say this: there are havoc's for marked legions.

Though each legion will get something unique to them, from force organization to individual units to HQs, for example Night Lords and World Eaters can only have 1 heavy support but get other boni.

Remember Huron has quite decent kit, so expect something like a 2nd ed list for him. Also, in some ways picking a legion will restrict you, there are a lot of chaos characters already in fluff so expect most to return ... plus a few new faces.
Who's the star of the show, huh? Now, that is something, I'll hold onto for a while.

Legion Havocs are back, that's a good start. Though I won't be satisfied until I get Legion Terminators back. I have 15 Nurgle Terminators in various stages of production.

I wonder what they'll do with Icons after a lot of Chaos players went through all the trouble and modelled them in their units. Or at least I did.

Mabye a doctrine system would be a good idea to simulate the legion rules, or possibly tie the special conditions to a Hq choice. this would make it possible to recruit say, a warsmith and because of this have access to some more artillery and some fitting options etc...
comments?

i really hope that they dont use the same planned obselesnce tactic that they used with nids. If they do, all the good old standby units will suck and they will be replaced by something that is way cooler. Rush out and buy the new COOL stuff kiddies. Its got new rules and it works twice as well as all that other stuff you bought from us way back when.

Will Renegade guard be in the book if they do the Chaos Legions?

His Master's Voice wrote:

timetowaste85 wrote:Iron Warriors don't really seem chaos-y to me anyway, more like " the Emperor, we'll do what we want!" (In Cartman's voice)

But that's pretty much what IW were about all along, Warsmiths or not. Very much like Night Lords and Alpha Legion; not worshipers but dissenters.

That's kinda my point. They don't really fall under the "chaos" banner, so if they have techmarines, it's okay. And the players who want spiky techmarines...surprise surprise...are Iron Warrior players-who aren't really legitimate chaos players.

Loving legion specific havocs. And I'd expect Noise Marines and Thousand Sons to be awesome in the next edition, as they're likely to get new kits and people will rush out to buy the new, super cool, troop choices. My current Noise Marines may become havoks (or new ones will) if this is the case.

Agent_Tremolo wrote:OMG... The Horus Heresy artbook was pure deranged fun. I'm glad they're taking design cues from it.

Can you post a link or drop some titles for some of this literature/graphic novels so I can look into picking them up?

-RC