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If you cant get a fex into CC then it just means you dont have enough fex's

So you advocate spending hundreds upon hundreds of points in dead weight just so 1 Carnifex can get into combat by turn 4? Even with 6 Carnifexes and 2 Hive Tyrants advancing as a monster wall it would take several turns to get into combat with anything that didn't want to be there.

Carnifexes should be able to move faster bigger creature= big steps. Just watch godzilla he's walking faster than most cars and can out run helicopters.(I'm talking about the American version.)

Godzilla didnt have a giant shell and carapace armour slapped over him, or 2 sets of bio weapons.

I dunno, JD - big claws & really bad breath count as two weapons, right?

Bad breath wouldnt weigh it down.
The claws are pretty skinny and stream line on zilla

so no, they wouldnt really weigh it down much.


Now, a large shell from its shoulders to back, and more on each limb, giant armoured talons and massive armoured pincers would weigh a little bit

JD21290 wrote:Bad breath wouldnt weigh it down.
The claws are pretty skinny and stream line on zilla

so no, they wouldnt really weigh it down much.


Now, a large shell from its shoulders to back, and more on each limb, giant armoured talons and massive armoured pincers would weigh a little bit

Now that you mention it, Gamera wasn't very nimble on his feet...

He could fly fairly well though!

Wings and legs are 2 very different forms of movement Alpharius
A haddiran moves quickly, without wings, it wouldnt move much, if atall

Well, I see where this conversation is going.

I don't really mind the mellee thing, but Carnies need to be treated more like mellee tanks and less like big creatures, or at least have a bug varient that can be used as such

imagine:
-they have an armor value instead of a toughness value, making them resistant or immune to garbage like tarpitting them or standing units in the way, The horrible weaponskill and low number of attacks is fine, because they are for smashing tanks not whomping characters.

-a 2 story tall monster should be able to tank shock right over these punks and smash the tank when the army is /reliant/ on getting said monster to the tank and have no other ways of dealing with them at the same time infantry shouldn't be locked in combat with them nor should they with infantry

-maybe a longer range charge attack that is only usable against vehicles to aid in the catching? something like a 12" charge that can only be used on 60mm base models or tanks would really help the "catch me if you can" problem.

just wishlisting, but I really like the whole "running down the tank with the big invincible bug" thing, I don't want huge guns to deal with them in the next codex =(

JD21290 wrote:Wings and legs are 2 very different forms of movement Alpharius
A haddiran moves quickly, without wings, it wouldnt move much, if atall

Watch a REAL Godzilla movies as opposed to that American garbage.

Gamera doesn't have wings, he just shoots flames out of his extremity cavities to fly.

Do not forget that the rules must humor people who lose to an army containing even one carnifex.
Especially now that so many have been sold!
Must nerf them -- they are obviously too good if they do not die to a volley of whatever is handy at the moment.
Wait, was this the wrong thread for that?

kirsanth wrote:Do not forget that the rules must humor people who lose to an army containing even one carnifex.
Especially now that so many have been sold!
Must nerf them -- they are obviously too good if they do not die to a volley of whatever is handy at the moment.
Wait, was this the wrong thread for that?

YES!!! Kidding of course. This thread went offtrack by about page 1.5, so it seems that this is a thread for anything and everything bugs.

I just really, really hope fexes become better than T6. How can something that's S9 or 10 be the same toughness and have the same wounds as something that's S6 max. I'm really hoping the cost will go up considerably for them and they'll go to T8 or something more realistic. And, in case anyone knows, is it true that the new boxed set is coming out in december?

Some news brought back from a french forum. The poster had a conversation with staffers of a GW store, and the source seems reliable, as they had "the book in their hands".

* Hormagaunts @ 6 points, S4 and 2 base attacks, biomorph available to add furious charge.
* Rending claws allow rerolling 's to wound (or to hit, the guy messed it up).
* One of codex's new entries is a breeding pit guardian.
* No more immunity to instant death for synapse creatures, but in case of warriors a point cost rework.
* New hive tyrant being a "super tyrant".

That's all folks, what do you think about that ?

I would love the hormagaunt thing and I think it just brings them in line with ork sluggas, faster but a little bit more fragile.

Greets
Schepp himself

Ravajaxe wrote:Some news brought back from a french forum. The poster had a conversation with staffers of a GW store, and the source seems reliable, as they had "the book in their hands".

* Hormagaunts @ 6 points, S4 and 2 base attacks, biomorph available to add furious charge.
* Rending claws allow rerolling 's to wound (or to hit, the guy messed it up).
* One of codex's new entries is a breeding pit guardian.
* No more immunity to instant death for synapse creatures, but in case of warriors a point cost rework.
* New hive tyrant being a "super tyrant".

That's all folks, what do you think about that ?

I'd be very careful with that. Not expecting Black Boxes until the 16th of December, so perhaps the source here was telling porkypies?

It's been brought up that that "french post" is very likely fake because of the lack of an original french post, among other issues. If it is true, then be prepared to stop using warriors, because they'll be shot off the board by battlecannons and such.

Ravajaxe wrote:Some news brought back from a french forum. The poster had a conversation with staffers of a GW store, and the source seems reliable, as they had "the book in their hands".

* Hormagaunts @ 6 points, S4 and 2 base attacks, biomorph available to add furious charge.
* Rending claws allow rerolling 's to wound (or to hit, the guy messed it up).
* One of codex's new entries is a breeding pit guardian.
* No more immunity to instant death for synapse creatures, but in case of warriors a point cost rework.
* New hive tyrant being a "super tyrant".

That's all folks, what do you think about that ?

Except for Hormagaunts costing 6 points everything here is completely different that what we have been told or lead to assume by trusted GW sources all over the Internet. Furthermore, the Hive Tyrant and No more EW are direct copies of the fake codex someone put out several months ago. Finally, I have been told that the actual post made on the French forum was very poorly written, i.e: not written by someone fluent in French, and that has been confirmed by your "the guy messed it up" commit.

There are two things that give this credibility; that it was made on a French forum, where codex leaks happen first, and the 6 point Hormagaunts, already confirmed by GW insiders. It is also widely assumed that Rending Claws will be 4th edition style. Although this has yet to be confirmed we know that there will be a significant change in how Rending Claws work because they are worthless on MCs. If anything happens to Rending Claws it will have to be for them to be effective on MCs and rerolling 1's to wound make rending worth about 2 points. Everything else is a proven lie or baseless rumor that can't be proven false without the codex in hand.

In short, you've been had.

Railguns wrote:It's been brought up that that "french post" is very likely fake because of the lack of an original french post, among other issues. If it is true, then be prepared to stop using warriors, because they'll be shot off the board by battlecannons and such.

What I report here is not faked. And I belive my english is accurate enough so that I haven't introduced any significant error in translating.

If you want to check, the original is here :
http://forum.warhammer-forum.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=117834&view=findpost&p=1545998

Kwosge wrote:Finally, I have been told that the actual post made on the French forum was very poorly written, i.e: not written by someone fluent in French, and that has been confirmed by your "the guy messed it up" commit.

I dont feel it is poorly written. There are some (3-4) spelling mistakes and abbreviations, it's quickly posted, but nothing is terrible.
He made a digest of what he was told of, and adds some quotes "je cite"

By "the guy messed it up" I wanted to say that the guy had somewhat forgotten wich of the rolls it is, after he returned from GW store.

Some things may appear surprising, I agree on that. And it is still possible that the GW staff was trying some hoax just to see if it would appear somewhere on the internet. But I doubt that, these piece of information are not incredible, or he met GW employees that have 5 on hoax skills.

And as I said...Black Boxes aren't desptached to stores for a couple of weeks yet, further casting doubt on the veracity of the source.

Have to admit that your doubts are founded. But a pre-print version may be ready in advance and presented to some people. I don't know. Translation of codexes to french is made by a dedicated GW-France team. Leaks have already occured, and may still occur now.


Just for my information, how long before the official release are these mysterious black boxes given to staffs ?

Tends to vary. Would need to check the schedule.

Usually no more than a month or so.

Black Boxes should arrive by Dec. 7. or so I hear.

They've been released 5 weeks prior to the official release.

OK thanks, I will pop up by this date in my FLGS to see if I could grab some news.

If those rumors regarding instant death is true we might as well pack up and go hide...
(Not really but that would *bleep* up one of the best and well loved aliens...sad)

//Edge

avantgarde wrote:Black Boxes should arrive by Dec. 7. or so I hear.

They've been released 5 weeks prior to the official release.

Might be a bit later. Was told there is a slight delay in getting them out, but that was a few weeks ago.

Ok guys interesting news i was down at my local store today, and i got some info from interrogating one of the guys there. he said that the gargoyles had come down and hinted on new models (when is aid plastic, he said he was unsure (which is never good) he said plastic trygon for shizzles and something about special chars not being named.......huh?? incidently, the warriors box has got new cover art. kinda like the backround for the daemons of chaos, and he said the gaunts box has been split in two. so...... seems to me, that things are getting interesting. oh and hive tyrant might be new, as it didnt have a new box like alot of the other stuff....

I like to take my points more from the fluff than pointless arguements that people seem to get flamed instantly on here now if they post rumours.

One codex refers to carnifex's as gaint lumber beasts i.e slow and heavy.
In other cases with the screamer killer squad for apoc and other things most fluff tells them quickly hitting enemy lines before the enemy can prepare for the creature's attack i.e shock troops fast and deadly like genestealers. This really should be in the wants thread, but it makes sense for Carnifex's to have fleet if they are close combat, but not if they have ranged weapons.

just my points.

ghosty wrote:Ok guys interesting news i was down at my local store today, and i got some info from interrogating one of the guys there. he said that the gargoyles had come down and hinted on new models (when is aid plastic, he said he was unsure (which is never good) he said plastic trygon for shizzles and something about special chars not being named.......huh?? incidently, the warriors box has got new cover art. kinda like the backround for the daemons of chaos, and he said the gaunts box has been split in two. so...... seems to me, that things are getting interesting. oh and hive tyrant might be new, as it didnt have a new box like alot of the other stuff....

...

Plastic Gargoyles and plastic Tyrgons have been confirmed for a long time. We have even seen the plastic Tyrgon but there is a debate onto which one it is.
The internet is 99% sure that Warriors and Raviners are going to be in one box with an extra leg sprue for the Raviners. The current new box also happened about a month ago. GW changed the color scheme for one of the Hive Fleets.
No one knows about the gaunt box yet because 8 is to few per box, 12 is to many and 10 is not possible. We don't know what is going to happen to gaunts. Anyone who says otherwise is just guessing.
We aren't getting a new Hive Tyrant from GW. They said that. I know GW lies a lot but it's a great model. The Hive Tyrant is one of the best models Tyranids have with Lictors and Fexes right up there. If a new one does come it will be from Forgeworld to make theirs on par with the GW one. It will probably not be out in time for the release.
GW insiders claim that Tyranids are getting Old One-Eye, The Red Terror and the Death Leaper. This is iffy because we already know they they aren't going to get new models so expect them to be converts only or Old School.

I know this thread doesn't move fast but we need to remake it for December. There is to much re-posting and the OP needs to be completely redone. This topic is about to really speed up and we are going to need a better OP, specifically a living OP, that actually tells us information and rumors about Tyranids as a whole and that readers can look at to see the latest stuff without reading through 15 pages.

^^^Wait until the Black Box hits, someone will invariably start a new thread with more concrete information.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

avantgarde wrote:Black Boxes should arrive by Dec. 7. or so I hear.

They've been released 5 weeks prior to the official release.

Might be a bit later. Was told there is a slight delay in getting them out, but that was a few weeks ago.

Heard that too, but Brimstone called shenanigans on a similar delay rumor in the Warseer summary thread.

My own sources have said some similar things about a delay... and I trust my sources. They have no reason to lie.