Games Workshop Japan going to start using new "measure"

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**Sir Motor**

Hi!

Today,Games Workshop Japan announced that they are going to stop using metric system and start using "completely different" measure,called "MV" on their (translated version) rule books.

Here is the detail(you must change country to Japanese to see this page)
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=20300013a

cmルール/mvルールの並記について

2012年1月10日最終更新

より整合性の高いバトル環境を実現するため、ゲームズワークショップ日本支社ではミニチュアバトルゲーム用の専用ゲーム単位、その名もmv（ムーブメント／ムーブ）を考案した。

シタデル情景ボードや情景モデルシリーズが充実し、それらを使ったルールが整備されてきた今、我々は今までのセンチメートルに別れを告げ、文字通り、新たなるムーブメントを起こそうと決意した。これは大きな変化だが、同時に大きな進化でもある。

1mvの長さは１インチ（約2.54cm）に等しい。cmルールからmvルールへの移行によって何が起こるのかひとことで言ってしまうと、兵の移動距離や武器の射程距離などが約25％伸びる、ということだ。日本語環境でのバトルはよりエキサイティングに、よりダイナミックに（そして他言語版と同じ距離感に）生まれ変わるだろう。新たな戦術や編成を試す大きなチャンスであり、転換期ともなる。

2012年１月発売の「ウォーハンマー・アーミーブック：ヴァンパイアカウント」から、ゲームズワークショップから発売される各システムの日本語版サプリメント書籍は全て、cm/mvルールの並記方式となる（なお、これによる各種PDFのアップデートは予定されていない）。これは直ちにmvルールに移行するという意味ではなく、将来的な移行を見据えた段階的な切り替えだ。

ウォーハンマー・ファンタジーバトル／ウォーハンマー40,000では、段階的にcmルールからmvルールへの移行が行われる予定だ。近い将来、各日本語版ルール／サプリメントは、cm/mvルール並記方式ではなく、段階的にmvルールに一本化されることになるだろう。

同様に、ゲームズワークショップのホビーセンターや公式のゲームイベントで使用されるルールも、段階的にcmルールからmvルールへと移行する予定だ。それまでの間は、これまで通り、現行のルールブックに記載されているcmルールが使用される。イベントについて何か解らないことや心配なことがあったら、いつでもホビーセンタースタッフに質問してくれ。

「cmルールからmvルールへの換算方法」

参考までに、現在のcmルールからmvルールへの換算方法を書いておこう。といっても、計算方法は全く難しくない。cmの値を単純に２分の１するだけだ。なお、ごく一部のルールは高さの概念をカバーするために特殊な計算式を使っているので、この換算方法はあてはまらない。それらのルールについては、個別にエラッタが発表される予定だ。
（例１：射程距離48cmの武器は、射程距離24mvになる）
（例２：ランダム移動３D６×２cmは、ランダム移動３D６mvになる）

It says,They are stop using metric system and start using MV near future. 　1 MV is equivalent to 1 inch.
Also says,next army book(VC) will be written in metrics but there is also MV value next to it.(it is announced on twitter)

Japanese version use metrics all the time. Now,we are no need to play in metrics on their hobby center.
But why they are not using inch instead of "MV"? I do not know.
Some says　”Japanese law of weights and measures” denied using inch,but GWJ dose not state anything.

Overall it's nice change. But also kinda weird.
Anyway,GWJ doing weird things all the time....we already got used to it.

I think it dose not affect almost all dakka members but I want it to be known.

**Miguelsan**

When I go to Nagoya we play in inches and the last time I played in Osaka inches were the norm. Must say that it´s becuase the inflence of the US/Brit players around but Japanese players did not have problems adapting.

I don´t mind GW unifiying measurements but why they can`t call it inches and have to use MV is beyond me, in Spain it was the same, it´s not like inches are a secret codeword that can´t be used without the Tokyo Metropolitan police jumping on you.

M.

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Forgot to add, any GWJ newsletter or offical mail is not worth the pixels on the screen after Giovanni´s piece of crap trying to justify why sending a paint pot from the UK to Japan/Oceania must cost 50€ (IIRC) extra due to increased mail rates.

M.

**H.B.M.C.**

"Damn we can't use inches... what should we do. Wait! We'll still use inches, but we'll just call them something different! Problem solved!"

That just sound so stupid.

**AesSedai**

What a bizarre announcement.

Well, better than using centimetres.

**The Mad Tanker**

Does "MV" mean "Measurement Value?"

If so, oh boy...the creativity is staggering [/sarcasm]

**Sir Motor**

Miguelsan wrote:When I go to Nagoya we play in inches and the last time I played in Osaka inches were the norm. Must say that it´s becuase the inflence of the US/Brit players around but Japanese players did not have problems adapting.

I don´t mind GW unifiying measurements but why they can`t call it inches and have to use MV is beyond me, in Spain it was the same, it´s not like inches are a secret codeword that can´t be used without the Tokyo Metropolitan police jumping on you.

M.

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Forgot to add, any GWJ newsletter or offical mail is not worth the pixels on the screen after Giovanni´s piece of crap trying to justify why sending a paint pot from the UK to Japan/Oceania must cost 50€ (IIRC) extra due to increased mail rates.

M.

I believe so. People around me(Tokyo area) also play in inch.
But if you say inch in public,armored Tokyo Metropolitan police would arrest us....in future not today.

H.B.M.C. wrote:"Damn we can't use inches... what should we do. Wait! We'll still use inches, but we'll just call them something different! Problem solved!"

That just sound so stupid.

Indeed.

AesSedai wrote:What a bizarre announcement.

Well, better than using centimetres.

Indeed. I also play in metric....but I feel I better to play in inch.

The Mad Tanker wrote:Does "MV" mean "Measurement Value?"

If so, oh boy...the creativity is staggering [/sarcasm]

Movement Value,maybe. Or Just "Movement"
In article,GWJ says read MV as "Move(mu-bu)".
But I also think it could be "MAXIMUM VELOCITY",sounds cool,eh?

**Snrub**

The Mad Tanker wrote:Does "MV" mean "Measurement Value?"

If so, oh boy...the creativity is staggering [/sarcasm]

Never underestimate the company we're dealing with here.

**SagesStone**

So just a way of using inches without looking as backwards as those other silly GWs and their inferior imperial system?

**warboss**

H.B.M.C. wrote:"Damn we can't use inches... what should we do. Wait! We'll still use inches, but we'll just call them something different! Problem solved!"

That just sound so stupid.

My guess is that this is the next contribution from the people who brought us "no news is good news" upcoming model marketing.

**Trasvi**

I think in some countries it is actually law that all measurement must be done in metric by a certain date. They give like 50 years to switch over and then you're not allowed to sell any rules with inches on them.
Thus GW gets around it and doesn't have to republish every rulebook and end up with weird discrepancies between countries.

**spiraleddie**

You guys are not thinking in the GW way, this presents a brilliant opportunity to release their new upcoming MV tape, which is purposefully designed to measure in higly accurate MV units, guaranteed to increase your ingame measuring skills.
* required for play in all GW tournaments and stores.

**theHandofGork**

To be fair Field of Glory uses a similar system where 1 movement value equals either 1 inch or 25mm. This allows the game to be played in metric and imperial measurements easily.

**Miguelsan**

I´ll tell you what GW can measure with their highly accurate MV tape...

M.

(I know you were joking)

**SagesStone**

spiraleddie wrote:You guys are not thinking in the GW way, this presents a brilliant opportunity to release their new upcoming finely constructed MV tape, which is purposefully designed to measure in higly accurate high quality MV units, guaranteed to increase your ingame measuring skills.
* required for play in all GW tournaments and stores.

Fixed it good and proper.

**Fafnir**

Really, it should be the other way around. The metric system is so much better.

**ceorron**

+1 for the hard effort kendoka. However even with that logical appraisal i'd still argue inches are better for Warhammer and it's derivatives, It just keeps the numbers small.

Also Japan need to keep in line with how the rest of the world play the game. The difference between 2.5 cm and an inch maybe small but added up over 6" and your playing a different game than everyone else, particularly in the shooting phase where ranges are longer.

Just easier on everyone globally to use inches.

**Kazwulf**

I heard Necron players have to measure everything in cubits?

**CURNOW**

im just suprised that they gave the MV a value of a inch if they had made it slightly smaller or bigger then they could of sold everyone one of there "new skull measure tapes "

missed a trick there my robins !

**chaos0xomega**

H.B.M.C. wrote:"Damn we can't use inches... what should we do. Wait! We'll still use inches, but we'll just call them something different! Problem solved!"

That just sound so stupid.

Have you seen the Hell Dorado rules? Measurements are in fathoms.... which is a real-world unit of measurement... but for game purposes they equal inches...

**ChocolateGork**

Fafnir wrote:Really, it should be the other way around. The metric system is so much better.

Agreed!

**tarnish**

My question would be, which measuring system is the most honorable? Is that not a concern?

**solkan**

The story that this leaves out is that previously, in order to avoid using inches, all of the Japanese codices and army books had been written using the conversion factor of 1 inch = 2 cm, in order to avoid an unsightly half centimeter showing up anywhere. That's why the note at the bottom of the page says to convert 2cm to 1MV value.

**crisps not chips**

ceorron wrote:+1 for the hard effort kendoka. However even with that logical appraisal i'd still argue inches are better for Warhammer and it's derivatives, It just keeps the numbers small.

Also Japan need to keep in line with how the rest of the world play the game. The difference between 2.5 cm and an inch maybe small but added up over 6" and your playing a different game than everyone else, particularly in the shooting phase where ranges are longer.

Just easier on everyone globally to use inches.

I agree. I have no loyalty to either the imperial or metric system per se. Try working in the building industry in the uk where we have "converted" to metric.
Mv: metric value? Maybe instead of 2.5cm it'll say 1mv. Simple

**Fafnir**

ceorron wrote:+1 for the hard effort kendoka. However even with that logical appraisal i'd still argue inches are better for Warhammer and it's derivatives, It just keeps the numbers small.

Also Japan need to keep in line with how the rest of the world play the game. The difference between 2.5 cm and an inch maybe small but added up over 6" and your playing a different game than everyone else, particularly in the shooting phase where ranges are longer.

Just easier on everyone globally to use inches.

Other way around. Easier to just use metric, and work to phase out the Imperial system entirely. 40k should just be rewritten for the Metric system natively.

With the release of 6th edition, they're really making a mess of it. Trying to completely reboot the core system while trying to leave parts of it in tact for older codecies and players, which defeats the entire purpose of a reboot. If they want to make such huge changes, might as well just pull what they did for 3rd edition, and change the measurement system to boot.

**Gorechild**

spiraleddie wrote:You guys are not thinking in the GW way, this presents a brilliant opportunity to release their new upcoming MV tape, which is purposefully designed to measure in higly accurate MV units, guaranteed to increase your ingame measuring skills.
* required for play in all GW tournaments and stores.

Hahaha thats a genius idea! but instead of using inches, MV's or cm's, convert all of the rules to use your own unit of measurement that's a pain in the ass to measure with normal tapemeasures. That would mean you have to buy GW's own ones!

**Fafnir**

The least they could do is do in full GW fashion and use skulls.

**MasterSlowPoke**

Metric measuring tapes are rather rare in the US, I can't see them switching for a long time.

**Howard A Treesong**

MasterSlowPoke wrote:Metric measuring tapes are rather rare in the US, I can't see them switching for a long time.

This might seems bit radical, but why don't you have measuring tapes with metric going down one side and imperial on the other? Our rulers are the same, so you can measure in either.

**Erasoketa**

This is the same stupid euphemism GW has been using in the LOTR Spanish edition and in the latest WFB edition. If they don't want to use cm it's ok, after all the games were designed to play in inches. But call them inches!

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Howard A Treesong wrote:
MasterSlowPoke wrote:Metric measuring tapes are rather rare in the US, I can't see them switching for a long time.

This might seems bit radical, but why don't you have measuring tapes with metric going down one side and imperial on the other? Our rulers are the same, so you can measure in either.

In Spain this measuring tapes are very common. I don't know where they are usually made, but they are pretty cheap and should be easy to find in hardware stores:

**candy.man**

MasterSlowPoke wrote:Metric measuring tapes are rather rare in the US, I can't see them switching for a long time.

I find this a bit hard to believe. I've honestly never encountered a measuring tape that did not have both inches and centre metres.