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Love the Zoat-y goodness of the Hive Guard. Only one I'm disappointed with is the Gargs. They just kept the existing design, and it wasn't that strong of a design, IMO.

Love the new gargoyle wings

Kind of disapointed here.

Venomthrope needs to have a new back sculpted on it, love swirls.
Pyroguard needs a completely new body sculpted for that cool weapon, the model still sucks like other guards
Gargoyles look like someone cutted them in half, are those little fingers in the back the vestigial legs? I love the wings and thats it.
Raveners...ok I guess

I find these really boring and uninspired really.

Mattlov wrote:

ph34r wrote:I predict nobody buys raveners or pyrovores at these prices.

Again, why would we NOT buy Raveners when they are CHEAPER now by 25%? 3 for $45 is a helluva lot better than 3 for $60, I don't see a need to complain about the price.

Unless they are seriously beefy, they are not worth $15 for a plastic model. With the old cadian boxes I could get 10 guardsmen for $17.50. I may not be as tolerating of new pricing as you, but a $20 model going down to $15 to me is just going from "ridiculous" to "pretty bad".

There are always alternative stores, people...

As hilarious as continually bumping maelstrom games is (which these days is not so much, it was funny for about a week) 15-20% off bad prices is still bad, especially considering how many items are becoming direct only.

Bah, Dakka isn't as fun as it used to be.

ph34r said...

As hilarious as continually bumping maelstrom games is (which these days is not so much, it was funny for about a week) 15-20% off bad prices is still bad, especially considering how many items are becoming direct only.

Uhm, maybe that is why GW keeps sending more to the direct sales......

If the retailers don't want to make the extra $$$, then I know GW won't be against it....


For the record....direct only and the cancellation of the Bitz program are 2 things that I think GW has made a HUGE mistake in.....

ph34r wrote:As hilarious as continually bumping maelstrom games is (which these days is not so much, it was funny for about a week) 15-20% off bad prices is still bad, especially considering how many items are becoming direct only.

Im tempted to put that in my siggy because i agree with you 120% !

I love this
Perople complain that the ravs are overpriced, yet they are cheaper now and look better, how would that be a problem?

The trygon is full sized me thinks, and i shall be buying atleast 2

Pyrovore: Ill have to buy one, simply for the sake of it.

The gargs dont look half bad, and those wings could come in handy, lets face it, at some point everyone needs human sized wings, we now have them in plastic.

Not keen on the tyrant guards, they look like they are about to fall over.
If thats just a bad pic then ill take that back, but so far i think ill be using the 1st edition tyrants as guards.

also, love that termies and horms are in different box's.
I only ever bother with shooty termies, so a few broods with dev's sound nice to me, without spare horms.

Shame theres no upgrade sprue for stealers though, they need a biomorph sprue so you dont have to get 10 box's just to make 1 unit with decent morphs.

*sighs* I think the majority of you guys will NEVER be satisfied
Those are looking pretty decent to my eyes anyways. Cant wait to buy some of those for my wife

KingCracker, You mean the present for her, which is actually for you haha

But back on topic,

To me these look great compared to some of the older versions they had up and running. The pricing isnt that scary either to be fair. There may be some dissapointing models though, lets wait and see !

How gargoyle land?

Missed out about the venomthropes
they dont look half bad, a bit off balance (guessing they fly though, well, hover)
Could have some interesting rules, possibly a hybrid of the mala and zoan.
With any luck they will be used

Wolf wrote:KingCracker, You mean the present for her, which is actually for you haha

A present for her, actually for me, wouldn't be toy soldiers.

It'd be something more like crotchless panties.

My "opinion" of the 4 with pics:

Toxathrope , as a model itself , its not that awful. I think the main disappointment came from how cool we think the FW one is , and
personally im rather surprised that GW sculptor doesnt know how to capture the essence that made malanthrope good.

Hive Guard , i like it. Doesnt anyone else think it looks like those Zoats?

Plastic Gargoyles... its atleast plastic and not awful looking... it looks "cheap" i guess some can argue well... they are cheap in points so it works.

Ravener: Plastic kit is definitely good idea . The sculpt looks ok , not much different than the metal ones.
The one complaint i have is , i think the head looks too similar to Tyranid Warriors.

Over all thoughts:
They have made the Tyranids more "convenient" to field . But over all i feel not much has changed visually .

Luna, nothing visually has changed just yet, that is until people start fielding a new breed of nidzilla like this :

HQ - flyrant
HQ - Tyrant, 3 guards

Elite: Barbed fex
Elite: Barbed fex
Elite: Screamer killer

Troop: WoN gaunts
Troop: WoN gaunts

Heavy: Trygon
Heavy: Trygon
Heavy: Trygon


I see this being a problem considering we now have a model bigger than a fex, with the same profile, that has 6 talons and has a ranged attack, it can deepstrike (tunnel) and its fething quick!

I think it may be time to go back to my nids and expand a bit more

LunaHound wrote:The one complaint i have is , i think the head looks too similar to Tyranid Warriors.

This. Hopefully, I'll see the price of the metals drop so I can use those style heads on the plastic bodies.

Branderic wrote:How gargoyle land?

The same way a Harridan lands: it doesn't. Gargoyles are brought in and out of hive ships by clinging to the underside of a Harridan.

Picture is a little grainy on, well, all four of them, but I'm pretty sure I see the side mounted mandibles on the Raveners?

I'm glad that the gargoyles don't look too different. I've already got a dozen and wouldn't want too much of a jump between them.

Shooty tyrant guard is ok but real nid players use melee tyrants anyway.

I'm looking forward to fielding a dozen or so raveners if possible.

In all the new models are nice. Can't wait for the big stuff!!!

Toxathingy... or Venomwhatsit.. the strange wannabe Malanthrope with the whippy arms. Still not a fan. Really it's not the whippy things - it's the totally OTT spines on its back. Looks like an exaggerated parody of a Tyranid.

Ravener... meh. Ok, sure, it's plastic. I have 12 already. I'll pass.

Gargoyle - frickin' sweet!!!!!! Plastic Gargs are a God-send (but the arms are weird as Shummy said).

Trygon/Mawloc - Still waiting for that pre-release price rise like the Valk. And, seriously, Mawloc? Pyrovore, Venomthrope and Mawloc. Someone's run out of ideas for names. At least Carnifex means something and isn't just a mashup of words.

Term/Horm Box - 12 per box. Good Games Workshop. I guess they figured even they couldn't sell a box of 8 'Gaunts for the price of a Ork Boyz box.

Hive Guard - Of all the new units, this intrigues me the most. The the hell is it armed with? What does it do? Is it a replacement for Tyrant Guard or a completely new thing you can take as well?

And more Spore Mines - whoop-de-gak. I'm sure most Tyranid players already I have several blisters, plus went out of their way to get the plastic ones form the Battle for McDonald's set. The other cool thing about the Battle for McDonald's was the fact that it came with that big spore/tunnel entry thing. I've got two and use them as Biovores because the actual Biovore model is so horrid.

Anyway, hopefully better pics soon.

ShumaGorath wrote:I don't think I like that gargoyle, the arms seem tacked on. I love the new ravener head though.

I see what you mean. It's kind've like they're got a flying big... and now let's tack some arms on. Maybe this'll be the place 'Nid players put all those extended carapace sections they've been collecting over the years.

reds8n wrote:99120106019 Tyranid Trygon = $49.50

Now that's a very fair price for the model.

If GW ever gets my DoW army back on track, I'll buy a couple for conversion materials.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

reds8n wrote:99120106019 Tyranid Trygon = $49.50

Now that's a very fair price for the model.

If GW ever gets my DoW army back on track, I'll buy a couple for conversion materials.

What if... GW says 1 week from now " oops thats a pricing mistake , it'll be $58.50 "

Still cheaper than FW (I think).

Schepp himself wrote:The Gargoyls I like, but there is no indication that they will have an melee option so a pass for me.

You know, I've never had the models to run Gargoyles en masse. At 10 points for flyers with one regular S3 attack plus one bio-plasma attack and a S4 gun for, say, shooting down Speeders, and Ld. 10 to boot they seemed a decent buy even without a CC enhancement. Am I wrong there?

As for the models, not a fan of moving the wing to the top limb, nor of the bulkier shoulder-joint. I liked the spindly look of the metal models, especially the vestigial hook-like lower limbs, and the wings looked better too. If there's no new CC option for them, I think I'll just buy up a lot of the old metals on eBay. It's another proof that plastics are great for replacing bad metals or really old plastics, but they shouldn't mess with classic and beautiful sculpts just for the sake of change (Daemonettes, new Chaos knights, etc.). They have so many great models but so much other stuff to fix- why not concentrate on, say, the fuggly Biovore?

@Luna: GW already decided that they're good on revenue for Q4, hence pushing the Nid release to Q1. Clever, eh?
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@Lukus: $58 is cheaper than FW, but not as desirable as $50.
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@Savnock: The wing at the very top shoulder makes more sense to me, from a biological standpoint.

If you're a Tyranid fan, here's some info from The War Store on the Battleforce. Given the source, this is reliable.

From http://www.thewarstore.com/

Tyranids Battleforce Unboxed!!!December 2nd, 2009
There has been some confusion as to what exactly is going to be included in the new ‘nid box.
Well we have one and we opened it up. Here is what it contained:
3 Tyranid Warriors
8 Geanstealers
16 Hormogaunts
16 Termagaunts
3 Ripper Swarms
and 6 gaunt accessory sprues

So the extra 8 Hormogaunts & 8 Gaunts trade for the removed Carnifex? Easy!

H.B.M.C. wrote:Hive Guard - Of all the new units, this intrigues me the most. The the hell is it armed with?

Looks like a revolver style spike rifle to me!

As a hard-core veteran tyranid player I need to chime in.

The Venomthrope, toxinthrope, err whatever horrible name it has, is ugh.. Im not a big fan of the Malanthrope and that new bug just doesnt cut it for me. (Of course I still have 2nd edition Carnifexes, Tyrants and yes 1st edition Termagants (one is giving the finger).

Happy about the sub-50 dollar Trygon. I sold my Forgeworld model on Ebay for $150 a few months ago in anticipation of this move. I mean its GW over priciness, but hey its better then the FW alternative.

Hive Guard... err WTF, did a Horse and Tyrant Guard get all jiggity with the "monkey loving" and this is the result? I think I will use my 3rd edition Tyrant Guard and convert some with guns...

Gargoyles... cool they are in plastic. I never liked the new sculpt and bought over 46 of the 2nd edition metal ones, they work fine thanks (hey they were 2.50 a pop.)

New Tyranid Raveners.. I think they are overpriced. So what if the metals were 20$, that was GW anal mayhem at its worst, the new plastics at 15$ each is still GW anal mayhem only now they are giving us a reach-around.

I am still excited for the new codex though, maybe I can use my 12 metal Ravenors.

BTW guys... If you mix the 3rd edition and 4th edition raveners parts (heads, arms, etc) they come out pretty awesome (since you can get 3rd edition and probably 4th edition raveners cheaper now).

JD21290 wrote:
Shame theres no upgrade sprue for stealers though, they need a biomorph sprue so you dont have to get 10 box's just to make 1 unit with decent morphs.

Aherm, we are working on "Feeder Tendril" 'stealer heads (new but nice design) and when the codex comes out and we see what players want and need, we will be working on more bits.

So dont lose hope yet.