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Seriously, it is no joke I dig the sculpts!


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I would also like to say I am not the sculptor either.

Blokus wrote:Seriously, it is no joke I dig the sculpts!


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I would also like to say I am not the sculptor either.

Well, there goes my follow up question!

Seriously though, I'm glad someone likes it.

Please post pics once you got them painted up!

Fo'sure

Eyes burning....Just read the new Beastman book cover to cover.

Initial Impressions: Quite Balanced, certainly not the codex creep we've been seeing. It's not in the same league as VC, Dark Elves, or Demons, but certainly have a raw power and ferociousness that work well with the armies fluff.

Many old rules have changed. No more infighting, instead the overall army rule gives them a chance for hatred in each round of combat, and frenzy on double 1's. Bitter, Bitter little mutants that hate the world. Blood Greed for minos makes them only roll 1 dice for pursue and overrun, but if the win a combat round they become frenzied. If already frenzied, they add +1 to attacks for next round. I can literally see them just hacking through armies as they get stronger and stronger. Magic is very, very brutal and fits the army theme. One lowlevel spell summons spiders and vermin, doing 5d6 str 1 hits to a unit, another actually lets the Shaman summon and link his spirit to a monster, bringing on a free Gorgan, or other heavy hitter.

Good fluff. Big book, lots of stories. Many things in the book that don't have kits, but that I'm going to be building. Gorgan, Cygor, Jabberwocky!

So Mik, it's actually a *good* book?

Well Im glad to know its not a new crazy over powered army as I want to actually be able to pick up friendly games. and if the models are better irl like everyone is saying then I will definitely start them!

Hrm....good to hear. May have to pick up the book just for a read, then.

Are you sure its Strength 1? Would be pretty freakin' useless.

Sarge wrote:Are you sure its Strength 1? Would be pretty freakin' useless.

Wounds T3 and 4 on 6's. Not that bad, especially considering the S2 magic missiles already had the "Wound T4 on 6's" bit and they were usually only 3D6 hits. 5D6 hits, rolling average, will do about 2-4 wounds on a T4 unit, which is about the same (if slightly inferior for the low end) as a 2D6 S4 magic missile against a similar toughness.

Can someone who's seen the Doombull in the flesh tell me how high he is? I don't need micrometer precise measurement, just an approximation.

Black Box of Beastmen arrived at my local GW store today with a Minotaur sprue, Gor sprue and Army Book. I have to say that the Minotaur sprue looked pretty good, not like I was expecting after seeing the painted preview models on the GW website. The paint job really does make the models look odd in a way they don't when they are new on sprue. I also thought the Army Book looked better in person than forum discussions have made it sound.

I am extremely glad that everyone is saing the minos dont look very bad in person... I might get to start the army after all!

got a good look at the mino sprues and no they aren't super tumor, just a bit more muscular.

I have a feeling that, while the Minotaurs might look better as unpainted plastic on the spure, no paint job is going to make them look good...

If you do buy the new minos please do not paint them the same way as GW as from what I read they're trying to emphasize the muscles and well you all know it failed

oh man, i read the new army book the other day (my local GW is late in getting its mail) and i cant believe the capital-Y yam they have done to the rules. ambushing, which was once the calling card of the army, is a joke from the tactical-foresight-planning point of view. you have the same chance of the unit coming in on the table edge where you want them as your opponent choosing the the table edge? hounds no longer ambush, and neither do heros?!? anyone that has played beastmen before, and those that can mathhammer realize that a few ws 3-4 str 3 attacks on a model with no armor isnt going to win you any combats. Each ambushing unit must be 'mirrored' by a unit deployed regularly? all ambushing units come into play individually, rather than as a collective?. 5 rare choices, 4 of which are giant-esque large monsters? granted minotaur and minotaur heros are really beefy by including bullcharge and transferable frenzy, the army should have been titled "Minotaurmen and the Gigantors, now including minimum required troops slots" /rageoff

Thankfully, your army has got a major boost overall.

Ambush is still fairly useful, just not as harsh on your enemy as it was before.

Cygors are horrendous! A moving, hitting Rock Lobber with a fair chance at knackering my opponents Magic Phase? Yes please, especially given the rather lack lustre Ld7 on Vampires and Ld8 on Daemons. Sure it's not 100% dependable, but it's still pretty damned tasty in my book.

Jabberslythe is naughty as well. Whilst not as immediately hard as the Ghorgon or Cygor, it's Aura Of Madness, plus ability to fly makes it filth on a stick. Land in the middle of the opposing army, and watch your opponent panic. This one is certainly my favourite for being summoned, as not only does the flying enable it to get where you need it, but coming on from any Table Edge, with it's Aura of Madness is freaking sweet!

As I said earlier, only really daft thing in the book are the Raiders, if only because in 2,000 bracket games, I can fulfil my minimum core for a paltry 90 points, seriously allowing me to get the Toys out, though I would wager once you've mazed your slots elsewhere points will still remain which can only be spent on Core!

Herds of Gor are pokey. Decent toughness, not too shabby in a punch up, and relatively cheap. Tick, tick and tick for me.

Main downside for the otherwise lovely Lore Of The Wild are the casting costs. Cheapest spell is a 7 to cast, and it soon goes up!

Centigor got a suitable boost, despite losing the ability to treat Woods as open ground for movement. M8 obviously goes some way to compensating, but now they count as full Cavalry, with all the benefits that entails, AND they have 2 attacks, rather than one at normal strength, one at boosted. They come about as equipped as you need them as well (Light Armour, Shield and Spear). Perhaps a little costly compared to other similar Medium Cav, but the savings that can be made on your core makes this slightly less of an issue.

Morgues in the hero section now as well.
Also, minaraurs can get a form of impact hits

Good to hear that my work on new Centigor won't be wasted!

Saw the Minotaurs in person today. Much better IRL. It's that pain scheme that makes 'em look like ass. The book was interesting, with the Giant, Beastman Giant, Jabberwockythingywhatsit and Rock Lobba Beastman Giant. Lots of Giants. And a spell that summons one.

Sad to see no Khornagores or Pestigores or any of that.

I saw the Minomodels with HBMC today at GW.

Excellent models. Fantastic models. So good, I will get some, even though i don't even play fantasy.

Trust me, they are great models. Plus, I could see they would do well as Ogryn, with some work.

Also, the magic phase, and the characters/specials are great! And the new monsters are cool too.

Enough to almost get me to start an army - playing them will be different to the old style of playing, but still fun. It seems that the Heroes/specials are great at smashing ranked units, and the blocks of units are great at smashing heroes.

And for anyone wondering about lords2001's avatar, that's actually what happened after he saw the Razorgore - his eyes started bleeding.

Horrific model...

I'm somewhat glad to hear this about the new Minotaurs, but until I see them with someone else's paint job on them, I just can't believe...

Yes, will be watching painting and modelling with baited breath in Feb to see the first decent Minotaur paint job.

Dakka painting challenge perhaps?

Can you have an army of minotaurs? The plastics did look better than what GW had painted...

I was loud in crying FAIL at the minotaurs. My FLGS got the black box yesterday, and gave me the minotaurs to assemble and paint. I will retract my initial very harsh criticism. My new opinion: they don't totally suck. I still don't think they are wonderful, but I will admit that the 'Eavy Metal team's paintjob is most of what makes them look like suck, and the rest is the photography.

Fire the 'Eavy Metal paint team.

As for the book, well. Ambush has been changed to the point of uselessness. On the other hand, the Beast Rage or Beastial Fury or whatever-it's-called army-wide rule is pretty nice, and I'm glad to see the back of Unruly. Morghur's spawn-creating rule only affects friendly units, but only one friendly model is removed, and a real complete spawn is created (not one that might have only a single wound, as before). We got Harpys, not Gorgoyles, which is a disapointment- I guess not enough DE players are using Harpys, so they want to push the models. The big monsters are expensive, but their abilities are just sick. The magic lore has some interesting potential.

All in all, it looks like I won't be selling my beast army right away, after all.

I'm glad you guys like them, but pics or it didn't happen. I am not going to accept that anything good can come out of these models until I see some pretty stellar paint jobs. I mean, for crying out loud, they have muscles that start outside the knee, cross the tibia, and connect at the inside ankle. There's just no reason for that.

Well I saw the minos today and Im happy to agree tht they are indeed no where near as bad as the previous painted pictures although they could still be better... no i dont have pics Im sorry.

The book had alot of interesting stuff too so I might start the army after all as it seems to be really fun!

im gonna respectfully disagree on the Gors, they cost the same price (when equipped with 2 hand weapons) as ghouls, have the same stat line, without immune to psychology, poison, fear, or the ability to be raised for free. granted they have the ability to ambush (which is a the new beastmen endeavor towards wackyhammer: could be moderately good, but statistically not going to be what you want/need), and primal fury (possibility to be good on the charge, but with mediocre Init and no armor save, i cant really see it coming into play if you are charged/in a prolonged battle vs anything you would need it against). you herd (pun intended) it hear first: the new beastmen army will concentrate on everything but beastmen

Gor have a higher movement than Ghouls, don't underestimate that in Fantasy.

Plus ITP can be a bummer when you've left a unit in charge range of something hard. You have to turn round, grab your ankles and think of England when that happens.

And Ghouls don't get Ambush either.