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"There are infinite realities, infinite possibilities of what could be. We came from one of those realities and it is very similar to this one. Most of your universe history is similar to the history of my own universe, some exceptions occur at times: names, dates, some planets, but in general the galaxy history and the history of humanity, follow the same principles in both our realities. The only notable exception i can see is about the "emperor", to make it simple, we call her the Empress. Why the offense? The Empress (and the emperor) is beyond humanity, why his gender is so important to you? Well, if the Empress is a woman in there (and keep in mind that is MY reality), so the Primarchs are of female nature too, as the Adeptus Astartes. That is why you are talking with me now. I am Lady Eliza, Captain of the 4th company of the Dark Angels, honoured carrior of the geneseed of our beloved lady Joana, the Dark, and we want to pledge our service to the emperor. I can imagine how strange it can sound to you, i had my own share of strangeness when we arrived at your reality. If you want to know more, i will gladly tell you everything i could. Our Priestess and Librarians believe your Emperor is just another face of our beloved Empress, and as so, we want to serve it as we would serve the Empress. Lets talk about it? Or we should start some senseless bloodsheed?"

Hello Dakka, i have to ask this before i go spending money...

I always liked the ideia of Female Space Marines, it is probably something in my mind who love to see the words "it" "is" and "impossible" in the same sentence...

Them, i took a look on the Sisters of Battle miniatures, and even those metal stuff everyone think is "ugly", i found adorable and beautyfull (i want to paint them, and field them). But their rules are horrid to say the least. No, serious, i dont know what GW have against those nuns with guns... :/

So, my mind started to do what it do better: think about strange things.

A tipical Sister models have the size of a Space Marine (aproximately), with the weird proportions as well, and GW official point about Space Marines is "they are truescale, IG sculptors are the wrong ones". So, this ideia came to my mind: use Sisters of Battle as Space Marines, not only "graphically", but also fluffywise.

The fluff ideia is simple: there are other realities, and in one of those, the Emperor is a lady (the Empress). The Empress created primarchs from its own blood, just like the Emperor have done, and those primarchs were scatterd trought the galaxy, so the Empress used their geneseed to build the Legiones Astartes. After it, she gattered her daughters, giving them their legions in the great crusade, until the Heresy came. After it, the Empress was entombed at the golden throne, the traitor legions fleed to the Eye of Chaos, and the Loyal Legions split into chapters. History just like we know it.

My army is just a company of those brave womans, who got lost into the warp during a battle against a traitor legion, and arrived at our "regular" reality after it. I plan to write all their struggle in this new universe, first to understand what is happening, and them to be accepted by the inquisition (and they wil be, as I plan to get some Inquisition and Grey knights allies in future).

Some litle points of the fluff will be worked using the "excuse" of the alternate reality, like the ideia that the Sisters Astartes can only recruit full growth womans, preferably those who alredy had babys and/or entered the menopause, not teenagers.

The Company i will be building is the 4th company of the Dark Angels, whose primarch is Joana, the Dark. They will use most of the classical iconography of the Sisters, together with some of the "monastic knightly behavior" of the "original" Chapter. (they alredy use the fleur'de'liss, dont ya?)

So, i need oppinion, it is to bad as an ideia? Im afraid that it could atract some hate from more conservationist hobysts...

Since you moved your post, guess I'll move mine too.

Protip, mods can move your thread for you. Just PM one and ask them to move it, no need to make a duplicate topic.

 The Dwarf Wolf wrote:
But their rules are horrid to say the least. No, serious, i dont know what GW have against those nuns with guns... :/

I wouldn't agree. You may not have heard, but they recently got an update, and it improved them quite a bit. There's also a pretty good tactics thread where people are talking over the best ways to play it.

 The Dwarf Wolf wrote:
So, i need oppinion, it is to bad as an ideia? Im afraid that it could atract some hate from more conservationist hobysts...

It's not bad. It's passable. As I said, I'm very much of the opinion that the current SoB codex is perfectly competetive. But if you don't want to shell out for it and/or are just very set on this idea, then go for it.

Also, why not just say that you're proxying your Sisters as Marines because you don't like the SoB rules? I'm sure that most people would be fine just with that alone.

 The Dwarf Wolf wrote:
Them, i took a look on the Sisters of Battle miniatures, and even those metal stuff everyone think is "ugly",

Hey now, you're far from the only one with that opinion. Though they're often divisive, plenty of people like them. I, for one, think they've held up really well.

What don't you like about the actual Sororitas rules? I thought they did a nice job on their new book.

Yeah, their rules are pretty rock solid. I'd take them over Marines.

I disagree.

"Good rules" shouldn´t mean "competitive rules". The level of customization you can get with any other Codex is WAY better than what you can get with the Sisters. It is lacking in most regards: it lacks color, it lacks options, it lacks customization, it lacks a distinctive feeling, it lacks effort and love from its creators.

I read the "Codex: Space Marines" and my mind is filled with joy and a million ideas for a million different armies. I read the "Codex: Adepta Sororitas" and I feel sad and the need to yell at someone from GW. Didn´t you notice that it is the only army that loses units every time is updated? The only one with one single Troop? No flyers without Forgeworld? No way to differentiate the Orders from one another?

So I completely understand what the OP wants.

Go with female Space Marines. It is your army, it is your choice.

 da001 wrote:
The level of customization you can get with any other Codex is WAY better than what you can get with the Sisters. It is lacking in most regards: it lacks color, it lacks options, it lacks customization, it lacks a distinctive feeling, it lacks effort and love from its creators.

Colour, yes. They don't even show any Orders other than Martyred Lady and the occasional Sacred Rose Sister. :-/
Customisation, nah. They've gained plenty of customisability, what with horde Sisters becoming viable, Immo spam coming back, relics, the command squad being able to take any weapons, and a general price drop overall. Plenty of customisability there, IMO.
Distinctive feeling? Heck no. Their playstyle is indeed distinct, and the fluff (though quite recycled) is the proper SoB stuff. They're perfectly distinct as an army, they definitely have their own feel.
Effort? Perhaps. They did put in much more effort than most epxected. This would perhaps be a valid complaint to level at the fluff, though. But remember, it's most likely a stopgap.

 da001 wrote:
Didn´t you notice that it is the only army that loses units every time is updated? The only one with one single Troop? No flyers without Forgeworld?

But there's a good reason for this stuff. They're waiting until the plastics are ready, then we'll get that stuff, at last. It's better to think of the last two codexes as stopgaps, IMO. Though the current one is still a significant improvement over the previous one.

 da001 wrote:
No way to differentiate the Orders from one another?

Every codex other than Marines has this problem. Nobody else gets chapter tactics equivilants. A paintscheme, mannerisms and favoured units being suggested to represent a particular subfaction isn't unusual.

Eh... not going to retype everything I had in your other one before you edited the OP and the title but...

... personally, not a fan of the Female Space Marines thing. At all.

As they are, the Sisters of Battle are one of the most distinct armies to grace the tabletop. Nowhere else do you get to see an elite army of non-Space Marines pulling off cool Acts of Faith and demonstrating why faith in the God-Emperor is its own vindication.

Fluff-wise... trying to import these Female Marines from the Mirrorverse into a "standard" 40K universe is not going to end well. They would have allies amongst Imperial forces, and quite a lot of enemies (being abhuman mutants and heretics). Also, using an Empress as the focus of their Acts of Faith is flat-out blasphemous.

But, hey, they're your models, do whatever you want with them.

I'm a big fan of the Sisters but I'd agree they are way short on unit variety (yes, yes, new models are coming someday), so I've been furiously homebrewing (see links in sig). That said, Sisters who count-as Marines with Salamanders Chapter Tactics are fine, albeit a little bland -- does the world really need another Astartes army?

Purists will freak at your idea of "female Space Marines from a parallel universe brought to regular WH40K by a warp storm," but I personally love it. Long live the Empress! Errr, to the extent that millennia of confinement on the Golden Throne is living....


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Also, click here for awesome picture of all the Primarchs as teenage anime girls.

Ok, technically the Primarchs' daughters going to high school together, but in your parallel universe they're totally the actual Primarchs.

 Troike wrote:

 da001 wrote:
The level of customization you can get with any other Codex is WAY better than what you can get with the Sisters. It is lacking in most regards: it lacks color, it lacks options, it lacks customization, it lacks a distinctive feeling, it lacks effort and love from its creators.

Colour, yes. They don't even show any Orders other than Martyred Lady and the occasional Sacred Rose Sister. :-/
Customisation, nah. They've gained plenty of customisability, what with horde Sisters becoming viable, Immo spam coming back, relics, the command squad being able to take any weapons, and a general price drop overall. Plenty of customisability there, IMO.
Distinctive feeling? Heck no. Their playstyle is indeed distinct, and the fluff (though quite recycled) is the proper SoB stuff. They're perfectly distinct as an army, they definitely have their own feel.
Effort? Perhaps. They did put in much more effort than most epxected. This would perhaps be a valid complaint to level at the fluff, though. But remember, it's most likely a stopgap.

 da001 wrote:
Didn´t you notice that it is the only army that loses units every time is updated? The only one with one single Troop? No flyers without Forgeworld?

But there's a good reason for this stuff. They're waiting until the plastics are ready, then we'll get that stuff, at last. It's better to think of the last two codexes as stopgaps, IMO. Though the current one is still a significant improvement over the previous one.

 da001 wrote:
No way to differentiate the Orders from one another?

Every codex other than Marines has this problem. Nobody else gets chapter tactics equivilants. A paintscheme, mannerisms and favoured units being suggested to represent a particular subfaction isn't unusual.

I really, really hope both the 5th and the 6th Edition thingies are stopgaps.

However, until a proper Codex is released, I think the OP´s solution is the best one, after using some house rules, of course.

@SisterSydney: yeah I read that rules of yours. Nice stuff. I have a half-baked fan-codex for the Sisters that I started right after the 5th edition thing. If I ever have some spare time, I will probably steal... I mean, plagiarize... No... wait for it, homage some of your ideas.

.....If someone is interested, this is the current version: http://www.4shared.com/office/Ua-sZWZo/Codex_Sisters_of_Battle_V313.html
It is missing: anything new from the 6th edition update, Ecclesiarchy units, some units that are not yet ready.
It contains: lots of typos and grammar massacres, 23 pages about SoBs. No Inquisitors, no Ecclesiarchy, just sisters.
It needs: total rework, lots of time and effort I do not have.

 Troike wrote:

 da001 wrote:
No way to differentiate the Orders from one another?

Every codex other than Marines has this problem. Nobody else gets chapter tactics equivilants. A paintscheme, mannerisms and favoured units being suggested to represent a particular subfaction isn't unusual.

You don't need chapter tactics to differentiate between forces in a codex. What you need is OPTIONS. Most other codecies are spoiled for choice anymore and the Sisters have almost zero options to really change the feel of one player's army compared to someone else's.

To the OP. If you want to use Sisters models for your marines you don't have to come up with excessive background fluff as to why or anything else. Opponents really aren't going to care about the details. All they need to know is you are playing Space Marines, what chapter tactics you are using and that you are using Sisters minis instead of standard marine minis. Beyond that you don't have to convince people it is valid or that you have a reason to do it. Just do it. They are your minis and as long as your sister with multi-melta mini is a marine with multi-melta there should be no issues. Of course be prepared for the multitudes of people coming up to your table and yelling, "Hey sisters can't use Land raiders" as if you are trying to pull a fast one on your opponent...

Skriker

 da001 wrote:
I really, really hope both the 5th and the 6th Edition thingies are stopgaps.

They aren't stop gaps. For the last 15-20 years, we have had only one 'real' codex and that was in second edition right before the transition, so it was only good for a very short amount of time. Some people consider C:WH a true codex but it really only shoehorned Sisters in with Inquisition so it wasn't a codex of their own. Sisters have always had stopgap codexes since the start. Believing this will change anytime soon is silly.

This is part of playing the army. If you aren't a fan, may I suggest a cheaper army.

 SisterSydney wrote:
I'm a big fan of the Sisters but I'd agree they are way short on unit variety (yes, yes, new models are coming someday), so I've been furiously homebrewing (see links in sig). That said, Sisters who count-as Marines with Salamanders Chapter Tactics are fine, albeit a little bland -- does the world really need another Astartes army?

Purists will freak at your idea of "female Space Marines from a parallel universe brought to regular WH40K by a warp storm," but I personally love it. Long live the Empress! Errr, to the extent that millennia of confinement on the Golden Throne is living....


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Also, click here for awesome picture of all the Primarchs as teenage anime girls.

Ok, technically the Primarchs' daughters going to high school together, but in your parallel universe they're totally the actual Primarchs.

Must.... not..... click.... link...

*Fails LD check and clicks*

Dammit!

... also, the Sisters, as produced, are short a lot of wargear that Space Marines have access to, so there may be a lot of converting for WYSIWYG. I think, also, that it might be really confusing for your opponent, as most of the Sisters figures look the same, where SM, at least, often have different poses or wargear or other aspects to the model that allows them to stand out (like, a Sternguard is, to me at least, pretty distinct from a standard TacMarine).

 The Dwarf Wolf wrote:
"There are infinite realities, infinite possibilities of what could be. We came from one of those realities and it is very similar to this one. Most of your universe history is similar to the history of my own universe, some exceptions occur at times: names, dates, some planets, but in general the galaxy history and the history of humanity, follow the same principles in both our realities. The only notable exception i can see is about the "emperor", to make it simple, we call her the Empress. Why the offense? The Empress (and the emperor) is beyond humanity, why his gender is so important to you? Well, if the Empress is a woman in there (and keep in mind that is MY reality), so the Primarchs are of female nature too, as the Adeptus Astartes. That is why you are talking with me now. I am Lady Eliza, Captain of the 4th company of the Dark Angels, honoured carrior of the geneseed of our beloved lady Joana, the Dark, and we want to pledge our service to the emperor. I can imagine how strange it can sound to you, i had my own share of strangeness when we arrived at your reality. If you want to know more, i will gladly tell you everything i could. Our Priestess and Librarians believe your Emperor is just another face of our beloved Empress, and as so, we want to serve it as we would serve the Empress. Lets talk about it? Or we should start some senseless bloodsheed?"
..

Bloodshed.

With respect, you'd be two sentences into that before my space marines would have their bolters out, aimed, and you wouldn't be far beyond that point when my lads would have opened fire.

With respect, the amount of blasphemy in that paragraph is crazy.

'Infinite realities'? Chaos talk. Probably tzeentch. Open fire.

Alternative emperor? Heretic/rebel/chaos talk. Open fire.

Alternative primarchs? To a space marine, blasphemy. Open fire. There are no alternatives.

They arrived at this reality? Daemons. Open fire.

With respect, I'm all for having your own personal take on things, but I also believe in respecting the lore. This does dirty nasty things to the lore. It's got nothing to do with gender.

 The Dwarf Wolf wrote:


I always liked the ideia of Female Space Marines, it is probably something in my mind who love to see the words "it" "is" and "impossible" in the same sentence...

A tipical Sister models have the size of a Space Marine (aproximately), with the weird proportions as well, and GW official point about Space Marines "they are truescale, IG sculptors are the wrong ones". So, this ideia came to my mind: use Sisters of Battle as Space Marines, not only "graphically", but also fluffywise.

So, i need oppinion, it is to bad as an ideia? Im afraid that it could atract some hate from more conservationist hobysts...

Like the idea all you want, they're your models after all, but the vast majority of folks with simply cringe and shake their heads at you. It does nothing for you and certainly adds nothing to the fame. Being Conservative has nothing to do with it. It's like wanting Jedi in Indiana jones. At the core of your suggestion a serious lack of respect fir the lore.

Regarding the model scale, if the it are wrong, so are the sisters. They're not marine scale either.

 The Dwarf Wolf wrote:

Spoiler:

"There are infinite realities, infinite possibilities of what could be. We came from one of those realities and it is very similar to this one. Most of your universe history is similar to the history of my own universe, some exceptions occur at times: names, dates, some planets, but in general the galaxy history and the history of humanity, follow the same principles in both our realities. The only notable exception i can see is about the "emperor", to make it simple, we call her the Empress. Why the offense? The Empress (and the emperor) is beyond humanity, why his gender is so important to you? Well, if the Empress is a woman in there (and keep in mind that is MY reality), so the Primarchs are of female nature too, as the Adeptus Astartes. That is why you are talking with me now. I am Lady Eliza, Captain of the 4th company of the Dark Angels, honoured carrior of the geneseed of our beloved lady Joana, the Dark, and we want to pledge our service to the emperor. I can imagine how strange it can sound to you, i had my own share of strangeness when we arrived at your reality. If you want to know more, i will gladly tell you everything i could. Our Priestess and Librarians believe your Emperor is just another face of our beloved Empress, and as so, we want to serve it as we would serve the Empress. Lets talk about it? Or we should start some senseless bloodsheed?"

Hello Dakka, i have to ask this before i go spending money...

I always liked the ideia of Female Space Marines, it is probably something in my mind who love to see the words "it" "is" and "impossible" in the same sentence...

Them, i took a look on the Sisters of Battle miniatures, and even those metal stuff everyone think is "ugly", i found adorable and beautyfull (i want to paint them, and field them). But their rules are horrid to say the least. No, serious, i dont know what GW have against those nuns with guns... :/

So, my mind started to do what it do better: think about strange things.

A tipical Sister models have the size of a Space Marine (aproximately), with the weird proportions as well, and GW official point about Space Marines is "they are truescale, IG sculptors are the wrong ones". So, this ideia came to my mind: use Sisters of Battle as Space Marines, not only "graphically", but also fluffywise.

The fluff ideia is simple: there are other realities, and in one of those, the Emperor is a lady (the Empress). The Empress created primarchs from its own blood, just like the Emperor have done, and those primarchs were scatterd trought the galaxy, so the Empress used their geneseed to build the Legiones Astartes. After it, she gattered her daughters, giving them their legions in the great crusade, until the Heresy came. After it, the Empress was entombed at the golden throne, the traitor legions fleed to the Eye of Chaos, and the Loyal Legions split into chapters. History just like we know it.

My army is just a company of those brave womans, who got lost into the warp during a battle against a traitor legion, and arrived at our "regular" reality after it. I plan to write all their struggle in this new universe, first to understand what is happening, and them to be accepted by the inquisition (and they wil be, as I plan to get some Inquisition and Grey knights allies in future).

Some litle points of the fluff will be worked using the "excuse" of the alternate reality, like the ideia that the Sisters Astartes can only recruit full growth womans, preferably those who alredy had babys and/or entered the menopause, not teenagers.

The Company i will be building is the 4th company of the Dark Angels, whose primarch is Joana, the Dark. They will use most of the classical iconography of the Sisters, together with some of the "monastic knightly behavior" of the "original" Chapter. (they alredy use the fleur'de'liss, dont ya?)

So, i need oppinion, it is to bad as an ideia? Im afraid that it could atract some hate from more conservationist hobysts...

I'd play against it

Would make a nice change from the fanboy-testosterone clash that I see in some MEQ armies

I don't really care either way if you want to use them as marines (though the "fluffy" part of your "excuse" really isn't fluffy at all, unless you want to consider even the most radical and far-fetched fanfic "fluffy"), but the Sisters codex isn't really bad compared to marines. It lacks variety and anti-air, yes, but you can also spam a silly amount of melta and flamers, and Exorcists got even better in terms of points-efficiency. If nothing else they work great with or as allies.

 Skriker wrote:
You don't need chapter tactics to differentiate between forces in a codex. What you need is OPTIONS. Most other codecies are spoiled for choice anymore and the Sisters have almost zero options to really change the feel of one player's army compared to someone else's.

The Sisters are somewhat lacking in this regard next to others, yes. Though it is quite an improvement over the WD codex, which was much more restrictive than what we have now.

 da001 wrote:
However, until a proper Codex is released, I think the OP´s solution is the best one, after using some house rules, of course.

I wouldn't call it the "best" solution, the current SoB 'dex is still pretty fun to play, and is competetive if you play it well.

But if the OP wants to do it this way, then he's free to. Saves him some money, assuming he already has the Marine codex.

 pretre wrote:

 da001 wrote:
I really, really hope both the 5th and the 6th Edition thingies are stopgaps.

They aren't stop gaps. For the last 15-20 years, we have had only one 'real' codex and that was in second edition right before the transition, so it was only good for a very short amount of time. Some people consider C:WH a true codex but it really only shoehorned Sisters in with Inquisition so it wasn't a codex of their own. Sisters have always had stopgap codexes since the start. Believing this will change anytime soon is silly.

See, I don't understand this logic. You're basically saying that "we've gotten rough treatment in the past, therefore this will never change", yet we've pretty much been told by the developers why this was the case: they couldn't make the plastics. However, there have been some positive developments on that front, namely them apparently saying that they now have the capability to make them at Enter the Citadel, and the digital 'dex seeming to sell very well. I'm not saying that we'll definitely get new stuff, all I'm saying is that there was a valid reason for the lack of support, and that there are some good factors in our favour.

Edit: oh, and of course them saying that there's modelling issues also demonstrates that they want to and have attempted to make SoB plastics, which is another very positive factor in our favour.

We've been through this before Troike. I've been in the 'things are going to change' stage for 15 years. When we have actual pre-orders for plastic, I'll believe it but not before then.

Thank you for all oppinios guys, i will enter discussion soon, but before i have to answer this:

Deadnight wrote:
Bloodshed.

With respect, you'd be two sentences into that before my space marines would have their bolters out, aimed, and you wouldn't be far beyond that point when my lads would have opened fire.

With respect, the amount of blasphemy in that paragraph is crazy.

'Infinite realities'? Chaos talk. Probably tzeentch. Open fire.

Alternative emperor? Heretic/rebel/chaos talk. Open fire.

Alternative primarchs? To a space marine, blasphemy. Open fire. There are no alternatives.

They arrived at this reality? Daemons. Open fire.

With respect, I'm all for having your own personal take on things, but I also believe in respecting the lore. This does dirty nasty things to the lore. It's got nothing to do with gender.

That is exact what all this chapter is about (most of the history im planning for it). The text is not some sort of powerfull discourse lady Eliza is trying to use on a Chapter Master, she is a Company Captain, she know how Adeptus Templar act, and can imagine how they would be with a geneseed implanted. That is after the first encounters with "space marines", and the bloodsheed it generated when both sides decided to feel insulted.

Im sorry if you feel insulted yourself about it. As i see, 40k lore accept some degree of multiverse realities, and as you pointed it, most Imperial authority just have problem to see the diference beetwen alternate realities and warp spawned stuff. Warp nature is not explained in details, and much of it still involve mistery, i really cannot see any point of fluff who say "there is only this reality".

Also, this ideia is to be a fun one, not a "serius stuff into the 40k universe", it is a nice excuse to build an army with an agradable visual impact (to my taste). I try to face it more like Reasonable Marines, Purple Marines and Angry Marines: nice stuff to work on, build some fluff and get some jokes/good tales, not a serious piece of lore who i want to see officialized by GW or the fanbase.

Afterall, everyone of us have its own alternate 40k universe in its own 40k gaming group right? (I dont know what canon say, but one of the first "big battles" i have seen in 40k was a 1000 points game of 6 player, with tyranids, eldar and chaos marines fighting orkz, grey knights and blood angels).

Thank you for your oppinion anyway, it was inspiring

Female Space Marines? My man face does not approve! This makes me want to burn my rulebook and eat my army!

For srs, I dont care. If the conversions are cool Ill accept and even compliment them. It would also make for a interesting narrative batrep

The Sisters rules are perfectly acceptable.

I probably wouldn't play you. Not because I necessarily object - you have every right to play the army you want to play - but because I'm intimately familiar with the Sisters. Rules, models and fluff. If I have to keep track of your "not Sisters" as well, then I'm going to get too confused to really have fun.

Unless you're using converted space marines, in which case sure, whatever, I'll crush you like I'll crush anyone else who dares to oppose the Adepta Sororitas.

My mind is not set yet... im really considering the ideia of play Warhammer in the Ultra hard mode (as lots of people say Sister are). The models are just to gorgeous.

Maybe i should read more tactica?

How sisters respond to rhino spam in this new codex?

Do you mean "how effective is it?" or "How do they fare against it?"

In the former case, you're better off with Repressors or Immolators - our Rhinos are forced to pay 5 points for a 6++ invulnerable, while Immolators are cheaper than the equivalent razorback for the same bonus... and Repressors are a wall of FAV13 (although twice the price of a standard rhino, they come with a dozer blade, a 6++ and a pintle heavy flamer to go with it). Rumour has it (I haven't seen Imperial Armour 2 second edition yet) that they also have 6 fire points again.

If you're asking how good they are at killing it? Rhinos are just... not a problem. Sisters armies have so much melta (dominions, battle sisters, immolators) and AP1 krak rockets in the form of the Exorcist that armour spam just doesn't really work against us.

Sisters kick arse. Admittedly, these days, between Games Workshop and Forge World, most of their cool toys are getting handed to the Marines as well, but...

 The Dwarf Wolf wrote:
im really considering the ideia of play Warhammer in the Ultra hard mode (as lots of people say Sister are).

I wouldn't say they're "ultra hard", you just need to put some thought into how you play them. Once you know the right builds and the right tactics, you're fine.

 The Dwarf Wolf wrote:
Scouting meltas and barrages of S8 missiles, of course.Maybe i should read more tactica?

Again, I'd highly recommend looking over and asking questions in tactics thread. These guys know the SoB well, and have been getting wins with them. Even against top-tier armies like the Tau and Eldar.

 The Dwarf Wolf wrote:
How sisters respond to rhino spam in this new codex?

Scouting meltas and barrages of S8 missiles, of course.

My gaming group is very limitant with Forge World stuff... Well, they are like that with Allies and Fortifications...
(no Forge World, you may take 1 Fortification or 1 detachment of allies); i must admit that looking at forge world, pluss codex inquisitor and codex grey knigths, those guys can give a nice punch and be very thematic...

I love Rhino Spam, the whole ideia of metal boxes filled with power armoured girls sound fun... But based on what you say, it is a lot better to do it with Immos and 6 girls squads.

Dont remember it, but those 6 girls squad still can get a Heavy Weapon?

Yep. Any Battle Sister troops squad, whether it's five strong or twenty strong, can take a special weapon and a heavy weapon - or two special weapons. Because of our short range focus, it's often better to take two meltaguns rather than a meltagun and a multi-melta, just for an example.

 The Dwarf Wolf wrote:
Thank you for all oppinios guys, i will enter discussion soon, but before i have to answer this:

That is exact what all this chapter is about (most of the history im planning for it). The text is not some sort of powerfull discourse lady Eliza is trying to use on a Chapter Master, she is a Company Captain, she know how Adeptus Templar act, and can imagine how they would be with a geneseed implanted. That is after the first encounters with "space marines", and the bloodsheed it generated when both sides decided to feel insulted.

Im sorry if you feel insulted yourself about it. As i see, 40k lore accept some degree of multiverse realities, and as you pointed it, most Imperial authority just have problem to see the diference beetwen alternate realities and warp spawned stuff. Warp nature is not explained in details, and much of it still involve mistery, i really cannot see any point of fluff who say "there is only this reality".

Also, this ideia is to be a fun one, not a "serius stuff into the 40k universe", it is a nice excuse to build an army with an agradable visual impact (to my taste). I try to face it more like Reasonable Marines, Purple Marines and Angry Marines: nice stuff to work on, build some fluff and get some jokes/good tales, not a serious piece of lore who i want to see officialized by GW or the fanbase.

Afterall, everyone of us have its own alternate 40k universe in its own 40k gaming group right? (I dont know what canon say, but one of the first "big battles" i have seen in 40k was a 1000 points game of 6 player, with tyranids, eldar and chaos marines fighting orkz, grey knights and blood angels).

Thank you for your oppinion anyway, it was inspiring

I'm hardly insulted by it mate. At the end of the day, my beer will still be cold, and Scotland will be even colder. What you do with your army doesn't change my day to day. But like I said, I believe in respecting the fluff. Jedi use the force. It's not magic from the god of law. Indiana jones is famous for his whip, Not twin swords and Martial arts. Bruce Wayne is batman, not Clark Kent. Wolverine has adamantium claws, he doesn't have the power to fly. You mention alternative verses? Well, I'm all fine with that, but it's not the real "40k". Play there all you want (and I also have my ideas for a 40k-esque setting, so I'm guilty of it too, but Ill keep mine separate) and by all means, enjoy it. But remember, this is not the 'shared' universe we all know and love, this is the dwarf wolf-iverse, not the 40k-iverse.

I've come across this in other games too. Warmachine being my main game, and the circle being my main faction.
Take these guys. Tharn.

Here's the guys. Ravagers. http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/circle-orboros/units/tharn-ravagers
Here's the girls. Blood trackers. http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/circle-orboros/units/tharn-bloodtrackers

Tharn were human once. But thanks to the god of predation that they worship, they can beast out. The fluff is explicit. Guys hulk out and put on massive slabs of muscle. Girls stealth out and disappear into shadows, and become as fast and as slippery as the wind. There are no female ravagers. There are no male blood trackers. The lore is explicit. These are how the blessings of the devourer manifest. It does that to guys, and that to girls. So some folks want female ravagers, and male blood trackers. I'm sorry, I have to shake my head. That's how the fluff works, there is no leeway. Model them however you want, it won't stop me playing you, but you playing in 'your' kingdoms now, not the iron kingdoms. Hence my original statement regarding respecting the fluff. Some things are open to interpretation. Some areas are grey. But if the fluff says no, then youre fresh out of luck. If what you're doing raises the ire if those already invested, you won't get far. I also believe there are right ways of inhabiting the 40k-iverse, and wrong ways. Warriors from an identical but gender swapped parallel reality? I'm sorry, but as ridiculous, nonsensical and silly as a lot of the things in 40k are, that's a step beyond. It sounds like something out of a corny kids Saturday morning cartoon. Space marines are male. That's the end of it. But if it was an ad mech sponsored legion of enhanced skitarii-like warriors (with extensive cybernetic modifications to represent the increased toughness, armour and l33tness) and one of them was a female regiment/battalion/company, using the sm rules, then I'm all for it - and you've got a far better modelling project on your hands. Inquisitors involved? Fine, they've been user as bargain chirp for an inquisitors private army to stop him exposing what others would see as heretek experiments. Either that, or the fact that these ad mech guys have been pilfering space marine designs and counterfeiting the for use by their legion. Tests enough to get plenty folks riled up. And within the scope of the universe, it's a far better fit.

Stepping beyond that common ground, and common understanding means going beyond the 'shared' vision of a world, and into 'your' private fantasy. Which is all well and good, but at the end if the day, I think most folks would rather play in the shared universe, not a private one.

Deadnight wrote:
But if it was an ad mech sponsored legion of enhanced skitarii-like warriors (with extensive cybernetic modifications to represent the increased toughness, armour and l33tness) and one of them was a female regiment/battalion/company, using the sm rules, then I'm all for it - and you've got a far better modelling project on your hands. Inquisitors involved? Fine, they've been user as bargain chirp for an inquisitors private army to stop him exposing what others would see as heretek experiments. Either that, or the fact that these ad mech guys have been pilfering space marine designs and counterfeiting the for use by their legion. Tests enough to get plenty folks riled up. And within the scope of the universe, it's a far better fit.

Thank you. You cannot imagine what you have done... My silly head for strangeness, that is awesome when someone clear my mind like that. Forget about "alternate marine girls", or "chaos mechanicus", or "chaos sisters of battle" (3 ideias i always wanted to practice). Lets do the 3 at once. My head, the voices, the power!!! muahuhauhauahauhauahuahauahauahuahauhauh
(sounds of a dwarf wolf crawling back to the lab, and whispering madly)

Serious, thank you, lets say you give me a great ideia to glue a dozen others together... and it is my birthday

I approve this thread.

"It doesn't say no" isn't a valid reason to suggest that the fluff supports alternate realities. As an admin of an RP forum, I know from personal experience that "alternate reality" (which, unfortunately, my setting does support) is really just a way for people to make characters who ignore the confines of the setting and just do whatever they want.

There can't be female Adeptus Astartes, but, as said above, similarly enhanced female warriors are totally compatible with the setting if you give them a lore-friendly reason for existing, which is totally cool. Even if alternate realities were supported by 40k lore, it's a really boring way of dealing with the problem, which is especially a shame given how 40k is so deliberately crafted to be an excellent host to pretty much anything you want (namely how every faction has innumerable sub-factions, be it Chapters, Craftworlds, Hive Fleets, and how the setting is so vast that you could tell any number of grand stories and still not run into lore issues).

That said, I was planning on running some Sisters (just because I like them as a faction) using Grey Knight Purifier rules. Unlike some, the current SoB models are just hideous to me, and there are no 3rd-party models to represent them, either.

I'm inclined to think you should play Sisters models as a Sisters army, but that being said as long as every model accurately represented the correct thing (plasma guns are plasma guns, jump infantry are jump infantry, you know, WYSIWYG) then if you really wanted to use the SIsters models with the rules from C: SM then I would still play you and wouldn't complain about it.