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So instead of just bitching about broken stuff I've decided to go and face it on the table. With Daemons of Khorne bolstering my admittedly lacking Orks, I feel I'm up to the task of taking these on and doing alright.

Last week I had a game against Eldar, featuring 3x Wave Serpants and a Wraithknight. I didn't write a battle report of that, but it was an 8-11 loss in Kill Points, infinitely better than I expected to do. The MVP was my Khorne Herald who one-shot the wraithknight with an axe of khorne, and that one act has emboldened me to take on all the other stupid gak in this game and see how it goes

This time I'm facing Helldrakes. Well, Helldrake, since the other one had broken somehow since I last saw the guy. Pity that. This game has a little history to it, which can be found here - suffice to say that he deserved a bit of a face kicking defeat at this time after some gak he pulled last week on a new player to the club, hence why I challenged him to the game. His turkeys had also given me hell back when I was first starting up, so this was my chance to get some well deserved revenge on the damn things.

Anyway, I'd intended to bring pure Orks - a green tide, with double loota battlewagons - but when I went to pull my Orks out of storage I found fully half of my boyz had legged it the moment they heard the turkey was coming (ie, they'd gone missing), so took in the following instead;

ORK PRIMARY

Bikerboss w/ Klaw, Cybork, Bosspole, Kombi Skorcha, Squig [x2]

7x Nob Bikers w/ 2 Klaws/Kombi Skorchas, 1 WAAAGH Banner & Bosspole, Painboy and Grot Orderly, all w/ Cybork

10x Lootas in Forgeworld Gun Wagon
ie budget AV 13 version of the battlewagon

30x Shoota Boyz

Zapp Gun w/ 3 Extra Krew, 3 Ammo Runts

Grot Bomm Launcha

Deffkopta w/ TL big shoota

[GBL and Kopta were taken because I could not find the club Aegis + Quad Gun]

DAEMON SECONDARY

Herald of Khorne on Juggernaut w/ Axe of Khorne, Locus of [Hatred]

10x Bloodletters

20x Flesh Hounds

My opponent brought something along these lines...

Daemon Prince of Tzeench, Burning Brand [Warlord]

3x Obliterators

5x Chaos Marines [x2]

5x Nurgle Spawn

10x Nurgle Terminators, several power fists and lightning claws etc, no gun upgrades [wut?], no transport

2x Forgefiends w/ Hades Autocannons

1x Helbrute w/ Autocannon

1x Baledrake

The mission was Kill Points, deployment was long board edges. Opponent got 1d3 Infiltrating Infantry as his warlord trait, I got re-roll reserves which did nothing[/b]. I won initiative and chose this table edge and for the Chaos Player to deploy and go first. I did not attempt a seize. Night Fighting was in effect (yay!)

Deployment


Turn One - Chaos


Turn One - Orks


Turn Two - Chaos


Turn Two - Orks


Turn Three - Chaos


Turn Three - Orks


Turn Four - Chaos


End Turns


Final Score

I've been considering CSM or daemons as an allied detachment for my orks. Interesting battle, I like the format you used. Thanks for the sample!

Yeah I've found the Khorne Dogs really pick up the slack of such an ancient codex.

Good job Dakkamite way to cook that turkey.

Korn hounds with a herald are fantastic. I think you probably could have taken this with pure Khorne but orks are always fun. Hopefully your orks will come back now that the turkey is gone.

Pure Khorne wouldn't have given me any reasonable way to slay the Heldrake. Plus even if I couldn't bring a full Ork force, I felt they deserved to be included after the trouble it gave them way back.

Thanks for reading!

you didn't even play the bad kind of heldrake, what were you worried about?


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 Dakkamite wrote:
Pure Khorne wouldn't have given me any reasonable way to slay the Heldrake. Plus even if I couldn't bring a full Ork force, I felt they deserved to be included after the trouble it gave them way back.

Thanks for reading!

Pure khorne can ignore heldrakes, trust me.
I once tabled a guy at 750 with a heldrake and a maulerfiend running khorne only.



Also, how did you do the map? That doesn't look like battlechronicler.

I snorted with laughter at seeing the drake on your maps.

Nice read, and you've made me want to invest in some daemons now! I never knew corn-dogs were so killy in conjunction with a herald.
What worried you most about his list?

you didn't even play the bad kind of heldrake, what were you worried about?

Theres a worse one? Your not talking about the forgeworld double headed one that my opponent was going on and on and on about?

Pure khorne can ignore heldrakes, trust me.

I know, as can most Ork builds. I knew I could beat a Heldrake list from this guy, but I wanted to *kill* the drake.

Also, how did you do the map? That doesn't look like battlechronicler.

Powerpoint. Works pretty bloody well man.

Nice read, and you've made me want to invest in some daemons now! I never knew corn-dogs were so killy in conjunction with a herald.

Khorne Dogs aren't all that killy, what they are is capable. You know what you've got with Khorne dogs, and they'll always give you a solid performance... unlike so many other melee units in the game, which require a transport, or can be fethed by an unlucky charge range, or just plain fail at everything in edition dakka.

A Herald does make them much killier though, because if mass S4 (or S5 on charge) can't hurt it dogs are in trouble. In this case it was all that Axe of Khorne, the hatred didn't help that much and I actually forgot it after the spawn combat. Khorne Heralds, IMO, are what pushes monokhorne from a gimmick into something half decent

In this case without the Herald the spawn may have won that fight. Just so many 6's to wound. fething Mark of Nurgle...

If you do go for daemons, honestly you can't go wrong with the dogs, least of all because so many other GW models can be converted into them

What worried you most about his list?

The Drake, mainly, and the Prince before the battle. Once he flew that gak into the middle of my army I almost burst out laughing.

I was also concerned that Oblits might get a lucky boom on my Loota Wagon. Luckily for me he was too keen on shooting the dogs to try that more than once.

 Dakkamite wrote:

Theres a worse one? Your not talking about the forgeworld double headed one that my opponent was going on and on and on about?

Whoops, I misread the army list. Thought it had a hades.

Good report, dude.Glad you managed to take the win here, considering how your opponent's been acting. This is a great example of what can happen if you bring enough nasty things, and showcases Khorne's specialty. Simply put, a flyer or two isn't going to turn the tide if everything on the ground is already dead before they come out of reserves. lol.

The axe of khorne is pretty damn good, but what do you think about the greater etherblade? For 10 points more, you're losing instant death but you're gaining that +1 strength. 5 Strength 6 AP2 attacks on the charge, which is pretty brutal. The axe is be better for MC's because of ID, but against numerous tough enemies (spawn) or vehicles, having that extra strength will help alot.

I'm thinking, since you can take 4 heralds in a single HQ slot, you can take four juggerheralds, take two khornedog squads and attach two heralds to each squad, so only one can be challenged out. It's expensive, 400 points altogether, but it's cheaper than taking two bloodthirsters or Khorne Princes, and you'll basically slaughter every single thing you get into combat with in just a turn or two.

Great fight. I read your tactics thread so it's good to see it paid off.

Good report !

Great report. Nice use of the diagrams for the presentation. Easy to follow. Great job!

Honestly, I don't really see anything WAAC-y about his list nor his gameplay, which was quite terrible. The only thing really that he needs to brush up on is probably his social skills and sportsmanship. Sounds like he is a young kid (because that's how he appears to act....at least from your other thread)?

Did you guys roll for a mission or just play kill points? Because I think just playing kill points is an easy way to give an advantage to many armies. Used to make that mistake back when I stared playing.

I'm glad you managed to enjoy yourself against Eldar and CSM. Any game you come out of with a smile on your face is one worth playing.

Honestly, I don't really see anything WAAC-y about his list nor his gameplay, which was quite terrible. The only thing really that he needs to brush up on is probably his social skills and sportsmanship. Sounds like he is a young kid (because that's how he appears to act....at least from your other thread)?

He's maybe 16 and I think he has a mental disorder because he's very weird - I've been doing my best to integrate him into the gamer community but its incredibly difficult - pretty much nobody will play him at this point, aside from of course the newbies who are just rocking up, and me because I'm too nice (or stupid) to ditch him like all the other players. He already dropped out once after nobody would go near him and since he's come back I've been trying to help him out, though after the stunt he pulled the other week I was about ready to say feth it and leave him to his own devices.

Maybe WAAC isn't the correct term for him though. Its like he tries and fails to be that, and the end result is just some really crappy games for both players which he ends up losing regardless of those drakes. Maybe he should take them, even against casual no-AA lists as he currently does, simply as a handicap to make up for skill levels - I don't mean that insultingly because I'm someone who would happily take a handicap against a better player or list.

Did you guys roll for a mission or just play kill points? Because I think just playing kill points is an easy way to give an advantage to many armies. Used to make that mistake back when I stared playing.

Hate kill points myself, they really sum up the stupid attitude of the rules writers IMO, but the damn mission just keeps getting rolled though.

The axe of khorne is pretty damn good, but what do you think about the greater etherblade? For 10 points more, you're losing instant death but you're gaining that +1 strength. 5 Strength 6 AP2 attacks on the charge, which is pretty brutal. The axe is be better for MC's because of ID, but against numerous tough enemies (spawn) or vehicles, having that extra strength will help alot.

I hadn't considered the Etherblades. After seeing this post I looked through them and I'm pretty impressed. What immediately springs to mind is combining an Axe of Khorne with a lesser or greater ether to get +1 attack and the choice of ID on 6 or master craft (and +1S for greater). 10pts for a bonus attack on my Bloodthirster? 20pts for an extra attack on my Daemon Prince or Herald? Yes please

The axe was pretty mint vs spawn though, he instagibbed about half of them

I'm glad you managed to enjoy yourself against Eldar and CSM. Any game you come out of with a smile on your face is one worth playing.

I hear that. Its also the best way to deal with the 'issues' of this game. I've gone out of my way to avoid drakes, riptides, serpents, and so forth and just mindlessly jumped on the hate train. Now that I've faced most of them the game seems a hell of a lot less... well, scary I guess.

Loved the Hell Turkey imagery.

I've got myself eight Khorne Doggies but have yet to try them out with my marines. Think I'll be adding a Herald with Axe and Locus on Jugger to buddy up with my Chaos Lord on Jugger driving those hounds.

Can a Chaos Lord ride with the hounds? If so thats a lot of possibilities that just opened up.

Though a friend of mine said Khorne Bikers are pretty mint. Or of course he could just roll with Spawn

CSM cannot join CD units (or vice versa).

AoBF khorne lord on jugger with a unit of 5 spawn or 6 bikers is pretty nasty. The spawn become even better with addition of invisibility (Be'Lakor) or forewarning whereas the bikers get a challenge chump.

My 15 ork strong Lootas are the vein of most of my Helldrake encounters. Honestly, they don't scare me much when I play Orks. Now, my Ultramarines suck at taking down drakes.


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What did the kid do last week that ticked you off?

Got an upcoming tournament that allows dataslates. Since there will be Knights there I plan on taking Be'Lakor - cheers for the idea ansac

What did the kid do last week that ticked you off?

Theres a link in the OP

NP, Belly is a great buffing machine, can turn a combat with terrify, and is a fantastic MC and Vehicle killer. He will get bogged down and killed by infantry units though if you are not careful.

Also keep in mind that Knights are brutal against expensive models and hordes but are actually pretty bad against most Sv3+ units with melta bombs or nasty IC (Kharne, Abby, etc.) Not sure if you have followed the IK killing threads.

Good luck at the tourney.

Nah haven't seen that thread, would definitely be worth a look. Could you post a link? I can't seem to find it and the search is screwed up for me.

These are some of the threads on imperial knights. Though to be honest you will have to scroll through 5 complaints about how they are "impossible to kill" for every 1 post with actual tactics. However the most important part IMO is just keep your calm and use the knight's disadvantages.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/586609.page

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/581327.page

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/588537.page

Cheers man. They're not something I'm actually worried about but will merit a battle report like this when I finally face one.

Sounds fun. May I suggest a monty python armless/legless knight for the vanquished knight?

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Good report, dude.Glad you managed to take the win here, considering how your opponent's been acting. This is a great example of what can happen if you bring enough nasty things, and showcases Khorne's specialty. Simply put, a flyer or two isn't going to turn the tide if everything on the ground is already dead before they come out of reserves. lol.

The axe of khorne is pretty damn good, but what do you think about the greater etherblade? For 10 points more, you're losing instant death but you're gaining that +1 strength. 5 Strength 6 AP2 attacks on the charge, which is pretty brutal. The axe is be better for MC's because of ID, but against numerous tough enemies (spawn) or vehicles, having that extra strength will help alot.

I'm thinking, since you can take 4 heralds in a single HQ slot, you can take four juggerheralds, take two khornedog squads and attach two heralds to each squad, so only one can be challenged out. It's expensive, 400 points altogether, but it's cheaper than taking two bloodthirsters or Khorne Princes, and you'll basically slaughter every single thing you get into combat with in just a turn or two.

I've thought about the greater etherblade as well, but in my experience the ID has almost always carried its weight over the +1 S. Given the amount of attacks he can dish out and the fact that he's already S 6 on the charge the ID is almost guaranteed to be worth it after 2 combat phases. Generally I don't see the hounds or Herald needing any help against vehicles. Anytime I've had no choice but to wreck a transport or other vehicle they have done it with ease. It's actually one of my favorite things to do to Tau now: Charge a skyray/hammer head with a big unit of dogs. Most dogs go into the transport, every glance counts as one wound, every pen as two, dead tank, hello sweeping advance.

Hounds do wonders for providing early game pressure/MTO and there are numerous nasty combos you can pull off with them especially in a non-tournament, semi competitive environment. If you ever go daemons primary, I assure you that you, as an ork player, will get great satisfaction watching a Tau or eldar player squirm a little while they try to figure out how to deal with 20+ grimoired dogs in their deployment zone turn 1.

Awesome report, especially turkey imagery... How did his flier manage not to come in until turn four? Really crappy rolling? And would it have mattered if it came in earlier when more of his list was alive?

Also, I'm impressed to see you're being not just patient but outright encouraging to a difficult player.

I wish the Korn dogs where corn dogs.

You could do an entire battlerep with nothing but food

"Hounds do wonders for providing early game pressure/MTO and there are numerous nasty combos you can pull off with them especially in a non-tournament, semi competitive environment. If you ever go daemons primary, I assure you that you, as an ork player, will get great satisfaction watching a Tau or eldar player squirm a little while they try to figure out how to deal with 20+ grimoired dogs in their deployment zone turn 1."