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SoloFalcon1138 wrote:Boycotting GW is a bit ridiculous, because it will eventually draw GW closer to either forcing more regulations at tournaments or more price increases.

Which matters about as much to those who are serious about not giving GW more money as whether or not the toilet paper in GW corporate bathrooms rolls over or under. If they do what you're suggesting in response to people quitting, even more people will quit feeding the cycle until they either change, fold, or sell.

warboss wrote:whether or not the toilet paper in GW corporate bathrooms rolls over or under.

If they have it in "under" then that proves they are in league with dark forces

Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:

Bakerofish wrote:so you never play with new guys HBMC? you never tell anyone that you play 40k?

Oh, calm down, dude! He has the right to do what he wants, and he is exercising that right! No need to be agro about it.

_Tim?

twas an honest question tim. i wasnt going aggro.

For every person who leaves the hobby, somewhere there's a n00b who just heard of the game and dropped $500 on new models.

Bakerofish wrote:stuff

So, what you're saying is that while people find the enjoyment of the games and models outweighs the cost they'll keep playing.

When the cost outweighs the enjoyment then they'll stop.

Why do you think that's a problem?

Scott-S6 wrote:

Bakerofish wrote:stuff

So, what you're saying is that while people find the enjoyment of the games and models outweighs the cost they'll keep playing.

When the cost outweighs the enjoyment then they'll stop.

Why do you think that's a problem?

no thats not what im saying but thanks for trying

Well put by the OP and while I still play...a game every 3 months or so...I play for the camaraderie of friends. Buying? Never! While the new DE look amazing, I'm not throwing them away to buy replacements.

No FLGS here within 100 miles, for some reason a community that has been barely touched by the current world economic crisis can't keep a FLGS open. Basement gaming is all I got and it's very much preferred.

What I find most peculiar about the latest price increases, with the largest and the majority coming in at 20%, is that it mirrors what most online retailers sell GW for at discount.

If you don't want to give money to GW, there's no need to. Plenty of other outlets to get the models from.

If you no longer wish to play the game, there's no need to. Plenty of other games to play.

I, for one, don't buy a massive amount of models as I'm quite a slow painter. Therefore the 50/100 pounds I spend every now and then is no great loss. Ergo, I don't feel ripped off. A small outlay every few months gives me lots of fun.

Put it another way - I could spend a similar amount on drink on a night out, with nothing to show for it and no way to reuse what I bought.

I'm happy enough. I understand why others might not be.

But I don't understand why they keep moaning about it.

Considering I don't play in GW stores,and rarely in FLGS,I can always find alternative models to use for "stand ins" for GW models.
Parting company with GW isn't very difficult in that aspect.

I don't really have a choice. No other TT game has a proper Inquisition-themed army like 40k does; and isn't anywhere near as gothic feeling as 40k's Inquisition. Until I find something like that; I can't change.

Sergeant Horse wrote:Oh sure, it can be fun, but you would find that with the same opponents all the time, you will find you face the same lists over and over, and once you work the tactics required to win, it can become samey. Not saying it's a bad thing, but people should always be open to new venues

Not true at all. Many of my friends own multiple armies, as do I. We also tend to buy and build new armies regularly.

Also, a number of us have kids that are starting to play as well, so we are in effect "growing" new opponents (not to mention luring their friends into playing).

We have a tight-knit group with many armies in circulation, many of us play multiple gaming systems, and we can control our environment and who populates it far more then being at the mercy of an LGS. We have quality terrain and available table space any time we want, drink if we choose, play music, orderfood,play as late as we want, and no TFGs or stinky gamers, etc.

I don't think I could go back to public gaming at this point, but luckily I see no need to...

CT GAMER wrote:

Sergeant Horse wrote:Oh sure, it can be fun, but you would find that with the same opponents all the time, you will find you face the same lists over and over, and once you work the tactics required to win, it can become samey. Not saying it's a bad thing, but people should always be open to new venues

Not true at all. Many of my friends own multiple armies, as do I. We also tend to buy and build new armies regularly.

Also, a number of us have kids that are starting to play as well, so we are in effect "growing" new opponents (not to mention luring their friends into playing).

We have a tight-knit group with many armies in circulation, many of us play multiple gaming systems, and we can control our environment and who populates it far more then being at the mercy of an LGS. We have quality terrain and available table spaceanytime we want, not TFGS or stinky gamers, etc.

I don't think I could go back to public gaming at this point, but luckily I see no need to...

Heh, let me quote one of my friends from out game night last month:

Thursday night at the FLGS I played vs (that guy) ridiculously stupid 3 LR, 1 SR Mephiston BA army. That one game had me almost completely convinced that I was done with 40k once more.

Then I play carmachu(at our monthly basement game night) and despite losing (cause he insists on balanced lists and good gameplay) I remember what and why I enjoy 40k. The truth of it is 40k is a fun game...period. Let me correct that; 40k CAN be a fun game. Games and opponents like last night's prove that over and over.

Have to say I cherish the Basement nights and fully understand why basement gamers are.... basement gamers....

carmachu wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:

Sergeant Horse wrote:Oh sure, it can be fun, but you would find that with the same opponents all the time, you will find you face the same lists over and over, and once you work the tactics required to win, it can become samey. Not saying it's a bad thing, but people should always be open to new venues

Not true at all. Many of my friends own multiple armies, as do I. We also tend to buy and build new armies regularly.

Also, a number of us have kids that are starting to play as well, so we are in effect "growing" new opponents (not to mention luring their friends into playing).

We have a tight-knit group with many armies in circulation, many of us play multiple gaming systems, and we can control our environment and who populates it far more then being at the mercy of an LGS. We have quality terrain and available table spaceanytime we want, not TFGS or stinky gamers, etc.

I don't think I could go back to public gaming at this point, but luckily I see no need to...

Heh, let me quote one of my friends from out game night last month:

Thursday night at the FLGS I played vs (that guy) ridiculously stupid 3 LR, 1 SR Mephiston BA army. That one game had me almost completely convinced that I was done with 40k once more.

Then I play carmachu(at our monthly basement game night) and despite losing (cause he insists on balanced lists and good gameplay) I remember what and why I enjoy 40k. The truth of it is 40k is a fun game...period. Let me correct that; 40k CAN be a fun game. Games and opponents like last night's prove that over and over.

Have to say I cherish the Basement nights and fully understand why basement gamers are.... basement gamers....

Exactly,when I started playing 40k (ten plus years ago) almost all gaming (at least in my area) was "basement gaming"...friends ,food and drink and the focus was on good times/fun.
In the years that followed,most of my forays into playing at LGS have been "less than enjoyable" (as I've never been in an argument with one of my "house game buddies" over some questionable rule/or 1/10th of an inch possible "over movement")..so I remain a happy home gamer.

FITZZ wrote:

Exactly,when I started playing 40k (ten plus years ago) almost all gaming (at least in my area) was "basement gaming"...friends ,food and drink and the focus was on good times/fun.
In the years that followed,most of my forays into playing at LGS have been "less than enjoyable" (as I've never been in an argument with one of my "house game buddies" over some questionable rule/or 1/10th of an inch possible "over movement")..so I remain a happy home gamer.

I was a basement gamer 21ish years ago. Always had a blast, and frankly there were no FLGS. When they came about I have to be honest, the fun lessened. I've never had more fun then playing in the basement with good friends and good armies.

I couldn't agree with you more carmachu...
A grill filled with meat,a cooler filled with beer and a house filled with friends enjoying the game and good times is the perfect gaming experiance as far as I'm concerned..
No sales people,no WAAC nonsense ...just fun.

I bet you the Gw owners are reading this right now laughing and having a circle jerk thought session, while spanking a dressed up dark eldar for ideas of new codex BS. (I forgot to metion... liquid PCP....science...)

Basement gaming is all well and good, but the thing is, what if you're an individual with questionable social skills, few friends, and an interest in an esoteric, non-mainstream entertainment medium (aka, a Geek)? How do you find people to play with? None of my friends have much interest in playing, and if it weren't for the FLGS, I wouldn't have played a single game, or even met a local player, for over two years now. I dislike Online shopping, and the nearest GW is over a day's drive away, so where would I get my models?


Yes, Basement gaming is probably really fun for those little circles of friends who all got into the hobby together, but for the loners like me, the FLGS is a vital link to the wider gaming community.

Kirasu wrote:People buy directly from GW?? Why? Thats like going to an insurance salesman and going "I want to see plans that are exactly equal in quality but I only want to buy the MOST expensive one"

I know right? Who would ever have a GW store as their local game store? Who would ever use a GW store as their place to paint and play? Who's friends would work for a Games Workshop store that would be out of jobs if said store closed?

It's INCONCEIVABLE!

Slinky wrote:

warboss wrote:whether or not the toilet paper in GW corporate bathrooms rolls over or under.

If they have it in "under" then that proves they are in league with dark forces

FITZZ wrote:

NuggzTheNinja wrote:The only thing worse than having to shell out $60 for a fething tank would be GW going out of business, and people being stuck with $10,000 worth of plastic figures. Let's be honest: you don't really want to hurt GW too much. Save money where you can and put up with it.

Even if GW fell flat on it's face it wouldn't mean the games would stop...hell there's plenty of "gaming ideas/fan dexes" etc floating around to keep your minis busy.

And if they do fold, it would mean all the third party companies would probably pick up the slack.

Who would be able to enforce the 40k trademark if the company fell under and couldn't afford lawyers?

WarOne wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

NuggzTheNinja wrote:The only thing worse than having to shell out $60 for a fething tank would be GW going out of business, and people being stuck with $10,000 worth of plastic figures. Let's be honest: you don't really want to hurt GW too much. Save money where you can and put up with it.

Even if GW fell flat on it's face it wouldn't mean the games would stop...hell there's plenty of "gaming ideas/fan dexes" etc floating around to keep your minis busy.

And if they do fold, it would mean all the third party companies would probably pick up the slack.

Who would be able to enforce the 40k trademark if the company fell under and couldn't afford lawyers?

quite possible Hasbro.

Then there would really be something to complain about.

Here is a RADICAL idea....
Get your gaming buddies and arrange a gaming venue between you.Use the minatures you already have with an other rule set !

There are tons of FREE to down load at 'freewargamesrules'.

Then simply make up you own scenery-senarios, and house rules to get the game YOU want to play, in a location YOU like to be in with the people YOU like gaming with.

Weclome to YOUR hobby...

Lanrak you must be really seething mate, you didn't TTFN!

Bakerofish wrote:I've been reading the posts here lately and I just want to air a thought out. Im sure this has been said one way or another but this is my take on it.

GW will always have the players by the cojones

I have 450+ and growing, pts of WarHordes, that say otherwise...

Starting my post with 'Hi' and ending in TTFN , was ridiculed by the kiddies.

So I have stopped posting like this.
No nerdrage here, not at the moment anyway...

Lanrak wrote:Starting my post with 'Hi' and ending in TTFN , was ridiculed by the kiddies.

Put it in a sig...

Lanrak wrote:Starting my post with 'Hi' and ending in TTFN , was ridiculed by the kiddies.

So I have stopped posting like this.

Don't listen to them! They are fools!!

BYE

:( I liked the "Hi ... TTFN" structure too.

Anvildude wrote:Basement gaming is all well and good, but the thing is, what if you're an individual with questionable social skills, few friends, and an interest in an esoteric, non-mainstream entertainment medium (aka, a Geek)? How do you find people to play with? None of my friends have much interest in playing, and if it weren't for the FLGS, I wouldn't have played a single game, or even met a local player, for over two years now. I dislike Online shopping, and the nearest GW is over a day's drive away, so where would I get my models?


Yes, Basement gaming is probably really fun for those little circles of friends who all got into the hobby together, but for the loners like me, the FLGS is a vital link to the wider gaming community.

Unlike 20 years ago where it was difficult, I have only one thing to say:

Welcome to the wonderful world of the internet. I have coordiated play nights, found my current RPG gaming group, talk, look for players and tournments. You know, players loking for players, there is one here on dakka, and its not the only one.

You dislike online shopping, but I cand find deals that no FLGS can beat. Ork boyz box, $16.49 for one, 3 boxes picked up with $5.50 shipping total for a what, $24 dollar box(plus tax of course if your buying it in a FLGS). Why on earth would you dislike online shopping when I can get stuff about 35% off, almost 40?

Frankly if you cant find a players nowadays with the power of the internet and whining that you dislike online shopping you arent trying hard enough. Its SO much easier today then it was 20 years ago.

It's not the prices online, it's the information thing (and yes, I know about Paypal. I'm a strange person, and I have my quirks. Everyone does).

Well, of course you can find people online to play with, but guess what, I learned about Dakkadakka from *Gasp!* my FLGS!

In any case, there are some things that FLGS have that Basement gaming does not, and vice-versa. I do believe, however, that there are very, very few things Basement gaming has, that a proper FLGS doesn't. Mine has an abundance of well-made terrain, many, many tables, a lot of great people, painting tables, it stocks not only GW, but PP, Chainmaille, and other games, and even sells food, plus allows you to bring your own (and since it's in a plaza with a DQ, Wendy's, Chinese place, etc., that's pretty nice.) Not to mention the 'official' tournaments every weekend, for cash prizes.