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Feces.


ftw.

MilkmanAl, ladies and gentlemen!

I'm still a bit torn over the news of a plastic tyrant kit. I think the metal model is one of the best models GW has ever done, the only downside was the lack of wings. I'm sure a new kit will have wings and all the other options (either that or they'll just sell those as a direct only sprue, seems to be their new way of doing things rather than putting it all in the box) and be easier to pose or convert, but still.

If they at least continue to sell the metal tyrant as a collector's or direct only item I'll be happy. If that were the case then I'd like to see what they come up with for a new kit, I do kinda like the Forge World design after all with the giant Aliens-style head crest.

I would have to say that the FW Flyrant was the best ever made. Sleek and deadly. I was pretty disappointed when 4rth came out with the bearish oh I only look slightly differnet from a carnifex version. If they go to plastic, I really hope they revert to slimmer sleeker preditor.

The whole purpose of the 4th edition Tyrant design was that it (1) looked more like the second edition Tyrant and (2) wasn't an Alien Queen ripoff.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Railguns wrote:What if Hive Tyrants become 0-1? I'd be crushed.

Is a Hive Tyrant a Special Character? If not, you have nothing to fear.

Ya know, that makes some sense but I call bs anyway. Simply because GW has proven, from past experience, to be able to pull some really serious whizbang facepalm bs out of their fething pocket to curveball at the players. I think that relying on Spec Char asserts that GW can't creatively get around it with some berzerk bs. Oh, I have faith that they can perform incredible feats of the inane.

Railguns wrote:Zerglings, Hydralisks, Banelings, and Overlords. Is this the right thread?

TNG? I prefer the one with the Ewoks in it.

I hope they try and keep the Nids unique.

The move to standardize the physical characteristics of what made a Tyranid was a good idea in third, but I think they may have taken it a small bit too far. It's a solid idea, but at the same time many of the creatures look like either a gaunt, a larger gaunt, a huge gaunt, a big gaunt with a snake tail, etc. It would be interesting to see what they would come up with if they kept the "5 head plates, 6 limbs, tail, exoskeleton" characteristics, but experimented with radically different body shapes. A tyranid shaped like a cicada would probably look very interesting and nasty.

Actually I really like the standardization of physical characteristics: it really fits well with my homemade background which departs rather radically from the official background. I've even re-arranged the limbs on my bugs so that they match the gun-claw-feet configuration of my Termagants.

In the Rogue Trader background they were creatures of the void that found prolonged exposure to gravity uncomfortable, so having scything talons as the middle set of limbs and re-cutting them makes them look partially centauroid. Cutting off the crests of the Warriors is the hardest part, so they have rounder domes.

I like it too; however I also think that adopting it has caused them to be too conservative in designing new body types. I want them to keep the standard characteristics(IIRC I've listed the ones that Jes Goodwin stated were his ideas way back when 3rd edition nids came out) but use them on all sorts of body shapes. The actual body plan, as a biologist would put it, is always the same. 1 head, 3 pairs of limbs, 1 tail, a hybrid endo/exo skeleton, a head crest of 5 plates that can vary in size and shape, etc. But these guys also absorb and incorporate DNA from a whole galaxy's range of animals and plants, so I'd love to see those features applied to creatures we wouldn't expect to spice the line up.

Yeah, it's that part about absorbing DNA from their enemies that I don't like about their background. I prefer to think of them moreso as harvesting raw materials than incorporating genes into their genome.

The different body-types work better with a caste-based eusocial insect sort of thing, like they originally were. Rippers are just larvae, in this reckoning.

I do like the idea of them introducing Tyrannic genes into alien populations to infiltrate them, a la Genestealers, but that's because it dovetails nicely into the original theme of Tyranids being tyrannical, using mind-slaves, and being flesh-workers. Having a large slave population means more bullet-catchers that aren't proper Tyranids.

Honestly, I just want to see some variation in my crazy no-way bizarro science space monsters. I've been wondering what a Tyranno-cicada would look like for days, and what purpose it would be put to, if it kept the traditional "burrows in the ground and then rapidly metamorphoses into flying bug with extremely loud call"

Well there you go: I'm enjoying the unified theme, and wish there was more (and convert so that there is more), and you'd like more variety. Interestingly Urban Mammoth's Koralon line of stuff seems more like what you're looking for: where there's a great variety in the number of shapes and sizes of bugs.

I've seen the Koralon stuff. Some of it is interesting but honestly they look like snake men to me. GW has shown that they can and do significantly change what a tyrannic body plan can do, otherwise we wouldn't have Zoanthropes, Malanthropes, Raveners, etc. But I'd like to take it to more extremes than the size of limbs and head shape.

You all realize that they are going to sell spore mines in packs of 3-6 for $15-17 and make them so prolific that they will be all over the battlefield. It will be something crazy like for every 500 points rounded up you get 10 free spore mines and for every full 1000 points you get an extra 5. Furthermore, skimmers will count as being stationary when hit by spore mines and then count as moving full speed when taking damage so immobilizes kill them. They will also all deep strike and have slow and purposeful and be able to move and assault on their own.
Gas will not affect anything in full armor or a gas mask (SM, Necrons, Eldar, Tau, CSM despite 50% of them having no helmets on), and will auto would with AP 5. It will still have no affect on closed vehicles.
Frag will be S5 AP5 and Ignore all cover (even area terrain). Mini Whirl Winds.
Acid will be S2 AP 1 with 2d6 but will hit every turn with +N to penetration where N = the number of turns that vehicle has been under affect of acid and/orthe number of times the vehicle has been hit by acid.

Buy your spore mines now.



Biovores will still suck and no one will take them. Possibly removed from the codex.


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Kwosge wrote:
Biovores will still suck and no one will take them. Possibly removed from the codex.

QFT

With any luck they'll make the Tyranid Warriors less fragile - 3 battles in a row I've watched a Leman Russ blow up my entire unit with 1 shot...

You did notice they have two wounds and Eternal Warrior, right? It is not possible for the whole unit to be killed by a single template.

That isn't possible. You know Tyranids are immune to instant death by S double T right? Still, they are incredibly tempting targets for bolters and other anti-infantry weapons with T4 and at best a carapace armor save for a model that costs as much as a standard Loyalist Terminator or 10 more points than a standard Chaos Terminator.

I'm still hoping that they either beef up Tyranid armour saves or toughness.

Tyranid Warriors should be S5 T5 Sv4, as basic. Jack them up to 20pts each, but give'em that.

I think they need some physical boosting too. As for armor, I think that instead of beefing them up with a power-armor equivalent save or something even tougher, giving them even more wounds would be an interesting route. Tyranids are the stereotypical army punching bag evil army, and causing damage to them is part of the fun of fighting Tyranids, rather than attacking them and having them ward off or avoiding everything like a "hero" army would do.

Making Tyranid Warriors t5 with 3 wounds would be interesting, rather than giving them power armor. Instead of making their monstrous creatures have a 2+ armor save, maybe give them 6 wounds or more (or give them that many wounds and keep the save)?

Wait, what? I think you might be wanting a bit too much out of your Warriors and MCs there. S5 and 4+ armor base would be nice, I'm ok with T4 base with two wounds so long as they remain immune to instant-death. I don't want to see a price increase at all, honestly, as I feel Warriors are fairly pricey as is.

Warriors are definitely overpriced as they are.

I'd rather that if we went with one creature to a slot rather than the "squadron" style force selection of IG, then those creatures should be as tough as a squadron of tanks and cost appropriately, considering that they are supposed to be the major damage source of the army.

Nurglitch wrote:Tyranid Warriors should be S5 T5 Sv4, as basic. Jack them up to 20pts each, but give'em that.

Given that Ogryns are 40+ pts for S5 T5 Sv5+ without any bonus rules for the army, Nid Warriors will cost quite a bit.

It could be suggested that 'Nids are coming up, as many products such as the Codex and Battleforce are no longer available on the GW website.

In fact, that very notion has been suggested quite a few times.

I'm all for a T5, 4+ Warrior. I'd pay 25-ish base points for that if they still couldn't be instakilled.

i would love too see t5 w3 +4 as base and no isant daeth warriors but i agree that it would be really expensive too buy( a 35% increase) and the points will be 20 and the oppion for regenate.
next i think that there are going to be 2 brand new creatues and 2 old new cereatues but aren't in the codex
next i think that if we do get nid SC they won't be like this is bill the tryant..,. i think they will be extxemte mutations that will only be used if the hive mind feels realy in danger
next cos GW never make a codex all good so gensteallers will be elites with brood lord turning them in too

just my 2 cent which may be discreedited(sos about spelling)

Does anyone actually know anything for sure or is this thread just 20 odd pages of speculation?
I want some juicy facts....!

20 pages? Ha! This is dakka. We have thousands of pages of useless speculation.

It's not useless. It's fun!

I hope if the codex does come out that some of the models get changed. For instance I liked the days when tyrant guard looked like a threat (when they had their nice huge shields and whips and god knows what else and towered above mortal men),rather than something that looks like some perverse rock walking around. *sigh* the good old days!