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Rbb wrote:How soon can we get a pic of a juggernaught riding a berzerker?

http://www.solegends.com/citcat9x3/c92402chaosspacemarines-03.htm

Ta-da. Not really a new concept.

gorgon your link just shows a berzerker riding a juggernaught. What we want is a new concept

gorgon wrote:

Rbb wrote:How soon can we get a pic of a juggernaught riding a berzerker?

http://www.solegends.com/citcat9x3/c92402chaosspacemarines-03.htm

Ta-da. Not really a new concept.

A Juggernaught..... RIDING.... A.... Berzerker....

Not! i repeat.. not... a Berzerker riding a Juggernaught.

is it really that hard to read it?

theDarkGeneral wrote:I think only a few peeps understood my previous post.

All the items I listed were just what we talked about in the differences between Chaos Legions and most Space Marine Legions. It's NOT a list of what's to come out. The items with a are possible/tentative to the new Codex.

ghost21 wrote:I'm confirming plastic plague marines.

If they are anything like the new plastic chaos lord for WHFB I will be buying a box... and I dont even play 40k!

If chaos marines still looked like this, I think I would start dealing heroin to pay for them:

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: but one thing we can all agree on is that a CSM with 10,000 years experience has to be better than the average astartes.
And make CSM look more warped and mutated. Goes without saying.

I have always disagreed with that, personally. In my view Crusade era astartes were mass produced to get the job done in a hurry and 40k's marines are individually "hand" crafted to a much higher standard. Also, keep in mind that not every Chaos Marine has been around since the heresy, even the Traitor legions have all had to replenish their ranks at some point with new blood. And if the Night Lord books are anything to go by, they haven't been fighting nonstop for the entirety of that 10,000 years, due to the peculiarities of warp travel and living in the Eye of Terror, the Crusade/Heresy still seems fairly recent to them. For those reasons, I'd say a basic vanilla marine is on equal footing with a basic chaos marine.

Conversely, I think cult troops and other elite elements of a Chaos Marine Army should be head and shoulders above a basic marine and possbly over some elite elements of loyalist marines, because of their particular skillsets, Chaos Marks and equipment.

Just my 2 cents.


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Kroothawk wrote:

ghost21 wrote:I'm confirming plastic plague marines.

They got my money.

NELS1031 wrote:I have always disagreed with that, personally. In my view Crusade era astartes were mass produced to get the job done in a hurry and 40k's marines are individually "hand" crafted to a much higher standard. Also, keep in mind that not every Chaos Marine has been around since the heresy, even the Traitor legions have all had to replenish their ranks at some point with new blood. And if the Night Lord books are anything to go by, they haven't been fighting nonstop for the entirety of that 10,000 years, due to the peculiarities of warp travel and living in the Eye of Terror, the Crusade/Heresy still seems fairly recent to them. For those reasons, I'd say a basic vanilla marine is on equal footing with a basic chaos marine.

Conversely, I think cult troops and other elite elements of a Chaos Marine Army should be head and shoulders above a basic marine and possbly over some elite elements of loyalist marines, because of their particular skillsets, Chaos Marks and equipment.

Just my 2 cents.

I almost completely agree.

I do think most CSM's are superior than loyalists, but I don't think it's to an extent that can easily be representing in the D6/max-stat-10 system.
Otherwise though; I agree with pretty much everything else you said.

Brother SRM wrote:Berserkers riding Juggernauts is one of those units I've always dreamed of. I had the idea for kitbashing Bloodcrushers and Khorne Berserkers to make them and run them in a counts-as Thunderwolf cavalry list. I've never heard of the guy who put out this rumor before, but I like it regardless.

you mean like these guys?

http://darkfuturegaming.blogspot.com/2010/08/old-school-here-with-some-forge-world.html

Plastic Plague Marines.....must resist temptations of Chaos already got Necrons and Tau to do but, but Chaos was my 1st 40k army and I haven't been tempted by them since early 3rd ed. But I love Nurgle stuff....

Khornatedemon wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:Berserkers riding Juggernauts is one of those units I've always dreamed of. I had the idea for kitbashing Bloodcrushers and Khorne Berserkers to make them and run them in a counts-as Thunderwolf cavalry list. I've never heard of the guy who put out this rumor before, but I like it regardless.

you mean like these guys?

http://darkfuturegaming.blogspot.com/2010/08/old-school-here-with-some-forge-world.html

Yeah, pretty much that exactly but in an official kit.

As for plastic Plague Marines, that's a great thought but I don't trust ghost21 on anything yet really. If Harry or someone else in the know confirms it though, I'm all aboard.

Thunderfire for Alpha Legion ??? Surely they can come up with a better concept than that.

I've always wondered why there are no suicide bombers in 40K. Alpha Legion and Word Bearers seem like it would fit perfectly.

Brother SRM wrote:As for plastic Plague Marines, that's a great thought but I don't trust ghost21 on anything yet really. If Harry or someone else in the know confirms it though, I'm all aboard.

Yeah, it seems like a weird kit to make plastic when Forgeworld already has a (popular) kit and you have 1k Sons and Emperor's Children as mixed kits in need, without throwing in a Havoc/Dreadnought kit.

Just Dave wrote:

NELS1031 wrote:I have always disagreed with that, personally. In my view Crusade era astartes were mass produced to get the job done in a hurry and 40k's marines are individually "hand" crafted to a much higher standard. Also, keep in mind that not every Chaos Marine has been around since the heresy, even the Traitor legions have all had to replenish their ranks at some point with new blood. And if the Night Lord books are anything to go by, they haven't been fighting nonstop for the entirety of that 10,000 years, due to the peculiarities of warp travel and living in the Eye of Terror, the Crusade/Heresy still seems fairly recent to them. For those reasons, I'd say a basic vanilla marine is on equal footing with a basic chaos marine.

Conversely, I think cult troops and other elite elements of a Chaos Marine Army should be head and shoulders above a basic marine and possbly over some elite elements of loyalist marines, because of their particular skillsets, Chaos Marks and equipment.

Just my 2 cents.

I almost completely agree.

I do think most CSM's are superior than loyalists, but I don't think it's to an extent that can easily be representing in the D6/max-stat-10 system.
Otherwise though; I agree with pretty much everything else you said.

Perhaps they could get some special skills or rules or legion-specific wargear to mark them out as special. That would make sense, since their development would have been much more anarchic than even the weirdest loyalist astartes chapters.

I've been saying it for awhile but there's an easy way to fix most representation for chaos, and it owes a lot to Dark Eldar.

-Include Cultists as troops

-"Renegade" Chaos Marine entry as troops, access to SM codex weaponry, SM statline but no ATSKNF, follows min-max requirements, units of 5-20. May take an icon.

-"Legionnaires" Chaos Marine entry as troops, access to current CSM codex weaponry, improved WS5 or access to one of a few USRs, Stubborn, able to take 2 specials or in lieu of a heavy weapon, 1 special. Units of 5-10, may take an icon.

Then we can either go for full cult troop entries, or throw them into one entry with upgrades for the appropriate mark, or add it onto an existing entry as an upgrade (like my mentioned Legionnaires)

I think that would solve the problem of having "correct" representation if you have something like this for most entries. It's not perfect but I feel it goes a long way.

I neglected to mention how this would affect chosen, I still don't have a good idea on how to implement them, but I think they should be along the lines of paladins, and be mini deathstars of their own. maybe 1-5 and a slew of upgrades and abilities. It wouldn't be difficult to make them a step above Legionnaires without breaking them.

Samus_aran115 wrote:If chaos marines still looked like this, I think I would start dealing heroin to pay for them:

Spoiler:

http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c2106chaosrenegades-h.htm

Two days ago I bought three of these guys from my FLGS for £8, would have paied double as they are fantastic models. Thats my aspiring champions sorted.

StarShade wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:If chaos marines still looked like this, I think I would start dealing heroin to pay for them:

Spoiler:

http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c2106chaosrenegades-h.htm

Two days ago I bought three of these guys from my FLGS for £8, would have paied double as they are fantastic models. Thats my aspiring champions sorted.

If you're looking my friend has around 45 he'd like to sell.

grimz wrote:Thunderfire for Alpha Legion ??? Surely they can come up with a better concept than that.

I've always wondered why there are no suicide bombers in 40K. Alpha Legion and Word Bearers seem like it would fit perfectly.

There was once but I think it kind of became un PC once upon a time there were penal legion living bombs......

bhsman wrote:Yeah, it seems like a weird kit to make plastic when Forgeworld already has a (popular) kit and you have 1k Sons and Emperor's Children as mixed kits in need, without throwing in a Havoc/Dreadnought kit.

I have to agree here. There's no pressing need for a plastic Plague Marine kit. We have the metal/Finecost one, we've got Forge World's excellent conversion kit. Meanwhile 1KSons and Noise Marines have hybrid kits that simply need to be done away with and replaced with plastic kits.

i do wonder if sonic dreadnoughts and Cypher will be in the codex?

tarnish wrote:

KarlPedder wrote:

lord_blackfang wrote:I wonder if they'll get individual wargear options for wound allocation shenanigans.

REALLY?

I'm kind of hoping that 6th ed gets rid of wound allocation shenanigans myself......

+1. its the most anal rule in 40k

Ill agree, though I also hate the removal of the M stat...everything moves 6 inches, except for this big list of stuff that is faster, oh and the things with this special rule (S&P) that move slower. For farks sake, just put the damned M stat back.

On the subject of these news/rumors...I like what I see...looking forward to lots of new minis. WIll also be looking toward the 6th ed rules too...maybe they will be fixed enough to get me back into using my 40k minis to actually play 40k.

I think that 1K Sons and Noise Marines are VERY likely to get a new kit because GW have been removing combi-kits from their range for quite some time, they are very rare nowadays. I still think that it is somewhat likely that PM's will get something new as they are very popular, and still have pretty outdated models.
If they get a proper PM kit, it will probably be in a very late wave, as GW tend to give less priority to models that have a FW version available from the beginning.


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Samus_aran115 wrote:If chaos marines still looked like this, I think I would start dealing heroin to pay for them:

Spoiler:

http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c2106chaosrenegades-h.htm

Wow, I would really like to see thoose models updated, they actually look like corrupt space marines that have lived in the EoT, instead of just angrier marines with spikes. The Chaos legions codex needs to be a little bit more elite, with a higher points cost, to represent marines with more combat experience and power of their gods.

M has been gone since 3rd started, I really doubt its coming back.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

bhsman wrote:Yeah, it seems like a weird kit to make plastic when Forgeworld already has a (popular) kit and you have 1k Sons and Emperor's Children as mixed kits in need, without throwing in a Havoc/Dreadnought kit.

I have to agree here. There's no pressing need for a plastic Plague Marine kit. We have the metal/Finecost one, we've got Forge World's excellent conversion kit. Meanwhile 1KSons and Noise Marines have hybrid kits that simply need to be done away with and replaced with plastic kits.

I think standard troops for an upcoming army should neither be metal nor Forge World only.

Anyway (although I don't understand everything he says, esp the thing in brackets that I keep as it is -> I usually correct spelling and grammar to improve readability):

ghost21 wrote:

I posted earlier wondering if the Thundefire Cannon like weapon you suggested might be the Thunderstrike Assault Gun.
Would you be able to confirm or deny that?

As far as I know, it's a "daemonic thing".

Were there any other special cult units like the Gladiator themed one you've already mentioned?

As I understand, there will be at least 1-2 additional units for the cult legions. There's a unit like the space wolf, wolf guard that all legions get.

(i think that's what there called the veteran guys who can choose different kit, i also think that's where those jugger riding zerkers may appear, this unit though can be upgraded in god specific lists to be "special" )

As far as I understand, these are special themed units , not just cult terminators.

The Thousand Sons get a really odd unit, of people who were powerful enough not to be hit by the rubic. I'll update that one later. I think they only get one (unless he wasn't joking about screamer surfing marines).

EC get a very defensive unit, who have like sonic shields.

Just a guess but zerkers riding juggers would probably be more like diversified wound allocation shenanigans bloodcrushers than TWC as juggers are slow.

Would allocation shenanigans are probably on their way out the door with 6th ed. One of the big 6th ed rumors I hear over and over again is every 5th wound is allocated by the attacker, or every 2nd wound from sniper weapons.

I also don't see any juggers riding bezerkers in the future, but fiends riding noise marines isn't unheard of on the planet Tijuana prime.

After the Tomb King snake riders, I could believe GW would do Screamer surfer Marines, but who knows.

Liking some of the rumour, not sure on other bits, regardless just hoping something happens this year so we can purge that current Chaos Marine Dex out of existance.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:After the Tomb King snake riders, I could believe GW would do Screamer surfer Marines, but who knows.

Liking some of the rumour, not sure on other bits, regardless just hoping something happens this year so we can purge that current Chaos Marine Dex out of existance.

There were Chaos Marines riding Discs in Epic. They had Lascannons and were like 2 per base. A unit card was 5 bases of them.

They were kind of vicious.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:After the Tomb King snake riders, I could believe GW would do Screamer surfer Marines, but who knows.

Liking some of the rumour, not sure on other bits, regardless just hoping something happens this year so we can purge that current Chaos Marine Dex out of existance.

There's also a small bit of these guys in the 'Visions of Heresy' art books. I think it's very fitting for Tzeentch personally, I even thought of converting a few myself for a heresy-era force.
It gives them a fast unit without trying to shoehorn in something like bikes which doesn't seem to fit the 'warrior wizards' & 'wizardy egyptians' image of the 1k-sons.
Hopefully they won't be on actual screamers (which are rather large) and instead go back to disc riders like they used to have back in the glory days of the 3.5 codex.

From Bolter & Chainsword:

Aaron Dempski-Bowden wrote:
The more rumours I check out, the more I see that are clearly false.

"Ghost21" seems to be the one spouting the most nonsense. Whether I was privy to actual Codex rumours or not is pretty irrelevant when there are several points I can flat-out say "Nope" to, in regards to how the IP department explains the fluff to us, and when the rumours are pretending to use characters that the codices are essentially not allowed to touch / wouldn't use without asking us what those characters' fates actually are.

There's even been several people at GDUK this year saying Mat Ward specifically said he's not writing to the Chaos Codex, yet ghost21 insists he is.

Seriously, don't get your hopes up over his rumours.

Aaron Dempski-Bowden wrote:
Whether I was privy to actual Codex rumours or not is pretty irrelevant when there are several points I can flat-out say "Nope" to, in regards to how the IP department explains the fluff to us, and when the rumours are pretending to use characters that the codices are essentially not allowed to touch / wouldn't use without asking us what those characters' fates actually are

Wonder where does the idea that GW has to ask anyone for anything in regards to their IP comes from? Not that I necessarily believe ghost's info or have any interest in defending him, but this is pretty funny, especially considering the recent Necron retcon throwing much of BL's work out the window.