New rumours on Chaos Legions (latest on pages 30, 32 and 34; compilation in first post)

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**Dysartes**

Slayer le boucher wrote:Back in 2Ed Realm of Chaos, Iron Warriors and Night Lords where Khorne whorshipping Legions,they had the MoK on all their banners and Legion Icons.

Its a proof that things can change with time.

Small clarification - Realms of Chaos was a Rogue Trader book, not a second edition book.

You are right, though, in saying that things can (and do) change with time.

**Kroothawk**

Update time:
First a post by theDarkGeneral with ghost21's comments added in orange

So more chat time with the boyz over on FB...

It sounds like we're getting a large upgrade to our current plight when it comes to vehicles and gear and equipment and special rules. Some will be current "Marine type" vehicles, but a few new ones. Yeah, there is a Chaos "flyer" but it's NOT the Hell Blade (or Hell Talon). Not a troop transport, just designed to cause havoc on entrenched enemy squads (hvy Flamers?).

Here's a list of what things we talked about, items with an evil grin are tentative...

*Power of the Machine Spirit/Infernal Engine possible

*Land Raider Crusader/Redeemer/?: possible

*They Shalt Know No Fear: No

*Fearless: (Cult Terminators, and a few specific Legions) certain units possibly

*Razorback: No

*Whirlwind: No

*Attack Bikes: (possibly with Reaper Autocannons) kind of

*Thunderfire Cannon: (Iron Warriors and Alpha Legion) they get something else, but kind of

*Landspeeder: sort of

*Artificer Armor: it's called something else

*Techmarines: (about half the Legions) kind of

*Chaplains: (Word Bearers) only Word bearers

*Psychic Hood: it's called something else

*Stormraven Gunship: No

*Venerable Dreads: only one that's a special character

BUT, we're definitely getting new Monstrous Creature (that's not a Summoned Greater Daemon), as well as Juggernaut ridden Berzerkers, and a retinue similar to Command Squads (which can take either Terminator Armor, Jump Packs, ride a Bike or Daemon Beast!)...though I'm not 100% on the riding Daemonic mounts for the Chosen Command Squad...

silent surrender wrote:I heard the new monstrous creature is called a "Rotzilla" any truth to that?

ghost21 wrote:I can see certain vehicles getting a chaos daemon engine equivalent but not exact copies. And that's all I can add on the matter (under penalty of catapult).

thank jeebus ghost said "kinda" to a few things cos like alot of chaos fans i feel we dont need a whirlwind (for example.. insert whichever loyalist USR/tank/gear here) we need a chaos slant.. a different tank, different look same role. I think thats all we really want something without spikes tacked on as an after thought

Chaos do refit some things but really all those deamon forgeworlds have to make something apart from those defilers.

**Johnny-Crass**

Scariest sounding thing so far is a Juggernaut riding a beserker....

**timetowaste85**

Johnny-Crass wrote:Scariest sounding thing so far is a Juggernaut riding a beserker....

I wasn't aware Slaanesh and Khorne were starting to get along.

**SickSix**

Sounds like I will be building a chose army after the new dex!

Juggernaught riding bezerkers is just epic!

**Johnny-Crass**

timetowaste85 wrote:
Johnny-Crass wrote:Scariest sounding thing so far is a Juggernaut riding a beserker....

I wasn't aware Slaanesh and Khorne were starting to get along.

Kroothawk wrote:Update time:
First a post by theDarkGeneral with ghost21's comments added in orange

BUT, we're definitely getting new Monstrous Creature (that's not a Summoned Greater Daemon), as well as Juggernaut ridden Berzerkers, and a retinue similar to Command Squads (which can take either Terminator Armor, Jump Packs, ride a Bike or Daemon Beast!)...though I'm not 100% on the riding Daemonic mounts for the Chosen Command Squad...

If kroothawk says it it must be true

**tarnish**

Poor poor Zerkers

Some decent tidbits but really not that telling. most of what the good general says here is really a given. Of course they cant use a stormraven.. that would make no sense.
if this is the level of info he feels safe sharing then id rather be without...

**Kepora**

Fffff...the new flyer better fit in appearance-wise with Hell Blades or Hell Talons! I had an idea of making a squad of small Hell Blade-like flyers with Hurricane Bolters...

**Kroothawk**

Johnny-Crass wrote:If kroothawk says it it must be true

Hey, I don't guarantee anything what theDarkGeneral and ghost21 post, I am just reporting.

**Sephyr**

Kroothawk wrote:
Johnny-Crass wrote:If kroothawk says it it must be true

Hey, I don't guarantee anything what theDarkGeneral and ghost21 post, I am just reporting.

Too late, Kroot! Now all the weight of your credibility has been imparted! If any of those tidbits prove false, be prepared to be run outsode of town and beaten with reeds. Not in that order, perhaps, but still!

**Skalk Bloodaxe**

The most heartening thing I'm taking away from this is that something is happening and 6th Ed is on the horizon. I've endured 5th Ed long enough.

**Rbb**

How soon can we get a pic of a juggernaught riding a berzerker?

**Raxor**

Wow, Chaos is finally going to have defense against psykers.

**Slayer le boucher**

I like the Zerkers Knights stuff, but if it is so that they don't move any faster then regular footsloggers...

I don't ask that they become cavalry type, but maybe a new type, "Heavy cavalry"?, where they can Fleet OR Gain an extra D6 to their assault move.

Like with the Monolith who did become a Heavy Tank.

Also Infernal engine isn't a possibility, its an obligation!!!

I still don't understand why this wasn't Faqed or still even made since the start...

Also Hope that Kharn's gets his EW back...

Cult Termies!!!, finaly!!!

Attack Bikes?, mmh might be interresting

**H.B.M.C.**

Berzerkers riding Juggers in a unit.

Not 100% how I feel about this. I like my 'Zerker Bikers.

**sonofruss**

There was a precedent in second ed and 3.5 for them tho champions rode them so chosen should be able to ride them as a unit they will be spendy tho blood crushers are 50 points each.

**lord_blackfang**

I wonder if they'll get individual wargear options for wound allocation shenanigans.

**H.B.M.C.**

Checks Magic Hate Ball...

All signs point to yes!

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sonofruss wrote:There was a precedent in second ed and 3.5 for them tho champions rode them so chosen should be able to ride them as a unit they will be spendy tho blood crushers are 50 points each.

Oh I know there's a precedent - I've got that model! - but I always felt it was the kind've thing Champions would get, not rank & file troops. That said, it would nice to get a Khornate Champion on a modern Jugger. Hell, just take that amazing Fantasy Champ on Jugger and swap out the rider for a nice new Berzerker. End of story.

**TBD**

So far the rumours sound very promising.

**Sarigar**

H.B.M.C. wrote:Checks Magic Hate Ball...

All signs point to yes!

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sonofruss wrote:There was a precedent in second ed and 3.5 for them tho champions rode them so chosen should be able to ride them as a unit they will be spendy tho blood crushers are 50 points each.

Oh I know there's a precedent - I've got that model! - but I always felt it was the kind've thing Champions would get, not rank & file troops. That said, it would nice to get a Khornate Champion on a modern Jugger. Hell, just take that amazing Fantasy Champ on Jugger and swap out the rider for a nice new Berzerker. End of story.

Exactly. GW just needs to design Bezerker riders and they are good to go. This would seem like a no brainer as long as the rules weren't garbage.

**KarlPedder**

lord_blackfang wrote:I wonder if they'll get individual wargear options for wound allocation shenanigans.

REALLY?

I'm kind of hoping that 6th ed gets rid of wound allocation shenanigans myself......

**tarnish**

KarlPedder wrote:
lord_blackfang wrote:I wonder if they'll get individual wargear options for wound allocation shenanigans.

REALLY?

I'm kind of hoping that 6th ed gets rid of wound allocation shenanigans myself......

+1. its the most anal rule in 40k

**RandyMcStab**

It makes me hate life

**Earthbeard**

tarnish wrote:
KarlPedder wrote:
lord_blackfang wrote:I wonder if they'll get individual wargear options for wound allocation shenanigans.

REALLY?

I'm kind of hoping that 6th ed gets rid of wound allocation shenanigans myself......

+1. its the most anal rule in 40k

Couldn't agree more...worst rule of this edition, even more so than the backwards vehicle squadron changes.

**Saldiven**

Johnny-Crass wrote:Scariest sounding thing so far is a Juggernaut riding a beserker....

A "juggernaut ridden berzerker" is not a juggernaut on a berzerker. It is a berzerker who is riding a juggernaut. {That's from a grammar perspective. The model might actually be a berzerker giving a juggernaut a piggy back ride, for all I know.}

**timetowaste85**

Saldiven wrote:
Johnny-Crass wrote:Scariest sounding thing so far is a Juggernaut riding a beserker....

A "juggernaut ridden berzerker" is not a juggernaut on a berzerker. It is a berzerker who is riding a juggernaut. {That's from a grammar perspective. The model might actually be a berzerker giving a juggernaut a piggy back ride, for all I know.}

We know. We were making a joke out of it

**Samus_aran115**

Cool. No venerable dreadnoughts, but who cares. If they lose Crazed they'd all be "venerable" in my eyes

Of course, 5 BS and WS is nice, but I have an inkling that legion dreadnoughts will be equivalent to venerables. Could be wrong, but that seems pretty likely.

Am I the only one who thinks that MOT should do more than +1 to your invul? Honestly, it could do so much better. That 4++ has never done anything to earn its points back. It should give -1 intiative and +1 BS in addition or something.

**GentlemanGuy**

Last time thwe MOT made champions and up psykers and marines into rubric marines. I think the +1 inv save is abit better as thats what it basically was in 2nd edition. The MOK is the one thats gone through a few changes. Originally it gave you a 2+ armour save and something else

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

Everyone seems to disagree about a lot of things in regard to the new codex, but one thing we can all agree on is that a CSM with 10,000 years experience has to be better than the average astartes.
And make CSM look more warped and mutated. Goes without saying.

**Brother SRM**

Berserkers riding Juggernauts is one of those units I've always dreamed of. I had the idea for kitbashing Bloodcrushers and Khorne Berserkers to make them and run them in a counts-as Thunderwolf cavalry list. I've never heard of the guy who put out this rumor before, but I like it regardless.