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I've seen it a few times but I was wondering if anyone has any decent sources for models and the like for 10mm 40k.

For those who don't know, 10mm 40k is exactly the same as current 40k, but with 10mm tall figures and all measurments directly changed to cm instead of inches, meaning you are effectively playing 40k on an 18' x 12' table. and are also about 15 feet tall.

I want to have a go at this as a way to see if it fixed the "everything is in range on turn 1" problems of 40k, and makes transports more useful for their increased speed, and gives basilisks a serious advantage!

 some bloke wrote:
I've seen it a few times but I was wondering if anyone has any decent sources for models and the like for 10mm 40k.

For those who don't know, 10mm 40k is exactly the same as current 40k, but with 10mm tall figures and all measurments directly changed to cm instead of inches, meaning you are effectively playing 40k on an 18' x 12' table. and are also about 15 feet tall.

I want to have a go at this as a way to see if it fixed the "everything is in range on turn 1" problems of 40k, and makes transports more useful for their increased speed, and gives basilisks a serious advantage!

i would be interested in current models with that measurement scale.

 jeff white wrote:

 some bloke wrote:
I've seen it a few times but I was wondering if anyone has any decent sources for models and the like for 10mm 40k.

For those who don't know, 10mm 40k is exactly the same as current 40k, but with 10mm tall figures and all measurments directly changed to cm instead of inches, meaning you are effectively playing 40k on an 18' x 12' table. and are also about 15 feet tall.

I want to have a go at this as a way to see if it fixed the "everything is in range on turn 1" problems of 40k, and makes transports more useful for their increased speed, and gives basilisks a serious advantage!

i would be interested in current models with that measurement scale.

That sounds interesting!
Although, 3cm auras...

Exactly


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On a 6x4 table

I've tried 3d-printing them, the vehicles work well but the infantry really don't.

Inches to cm is a huuuuuge change.
What about cutting everything in half?
You could use the Apocalypse movement trays for ceherency.

In terms of obvious changes, range becomes the be all end all.

I would not expect standard points to work, A Guard army loaded with Bassies would be effectively gain free turns of Bombardment... most armies wouldn’t have comparable ranged weapons that ignore LOS.

You might want to consider alternate rules sets, like the old epic rules, instead.

 greatbigtree wrote:
In terms of obvious changes, range becomes the be all end all.

I would not expect standard points to work, A Guard army loaded with Bassies would be effectively gain free turns of Bombardment... most armies wouldn’t have comparable ranged weapons that ignore LOS.

You might want to consider alternate rules sets, like the old epic rules, instead.

Yeah for 10mm scale, Epic 40k is the way to go.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 greatbigtree wrote:
In terms of obvious changes, range becomes the be all end all.

I would not expect standard points to work, A Guard army loaded with Bassies would be effectively gain free turns of Bombardment... most armies wouldn’t have comparable ranged weapons that ignore LOS.

You might want to consider alternate rules sets, like the old epic rules, instead.

Yeah for 10mm scale, Epic 40k is the way to go.

I've heard so much praise for Epic. As a Necron player, it's nit something that's easy to get into.

Typical force orgs or communicate army comp beforehand for balance. I might add more range or toughness and speed if facing indirect fire.

There was a project thread back in 6th/7th, did something similar with scale and though I can’t remember if they used Epic minis or something else. Everything was magnetized and the idea was basically a “travel 40k”. But everything was proportionally scales so ranges and distances were relatively the same

Vanguard miniatures have a lot of 40k adapted minis. They are in 6mm though. Scaling doen 40k is great. The cost of minis reduce drasticly. And the meta changes drasticly as ranges increase. Might be a good idea to change to epic or apocalypse rules but regular 40k should work aswell.

Can not emphasize cost difference enough. How about 25x sister retributors for 5.5£? Terrain building is also less of a hassle.

 Blndmage wrote:

I've heard so much praise for Epic. As a Necron player, it's nit something that's easy to get into.

Apocalypse is the best version of 40k that exists. It has Necrons in it.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 Blndmage wrote:

I've heard so much praise for Epic. As a Necron player, it's nit something that's easy to get into.

Apocalypse is the best version of 40k that exists. It has Necrons in it.

I've been really curious about this, but it seems like it's died down in popularity, there's no new posts about it, etc.
Also, seems like a lot of money for what you get.

I want the level of granularity that 40k should afford with a table that matters. Inches to 10cm would do this well.

Adeptus Titanicus and Aeronautica Imperialis are both in the same scale at approx. 8mm. So if you used that scale then you've got at least some suitable models for flyers, knights and the like. And I do wonder whether GW intends to keep expanding those systems and/or add other 8mm scale games with more models, before eventually releasing a new Epic ruleset once they've got enough 8mm models to cover it.

 greyknight12 wrote:
There was a project thread back in 6th/7th, did something similar with scale and though I can’t remember if they used Epic minis or something else. Everything was magnetized and the idea was basically a “travel 40k”. But everything was proportionally scales so ranges and distances were relatively the same

I literally have a half-finished box in my closet of this exact project. I just went through all my old threads trying to see if I posted about it, but apparently not. I can't remember if it was my own idea, but if I didn't make that thread then I must have been inspired by it. My goal was to strip the game down to just a stand-alone board-game in a 24"x18" case to play in a car or plane. I made two armies using epic Eldar grav tanks with aspect warriors and IG Valkyries with shock troops. The board was a magnetic sheet with a thin painted foam over top for terrain, and the pieces were magnetized to stay in place.

To answer the OP's question, increasing the board size makes range problems worse, not better. Armies with superior range get to flex that even more. You trade "everything is always in range" for "one army is mostly in range". 40k is really not a good rule set for anything larger than a skirmish.

I see the virtue in using existing 40k models with inches changed to centimeters. Why use other models? And without spam and maybe with some conservative force org, i dont see the occasional basilisk doing all that much. Let the other side have its own indirect fire and play pop the tank or ban such units. Easy fix.

10mm would be great as a base size. SMs would be 15mm and probably eldar too. Orks would be 13ish mm. Well I guess a true scale 40k as a whole would be nice.

Although at that point we get back to "What is 40k? Skirmish size or Battalion sized? ".

Agsin i am interested in 40k on a 6x4 table using cm instead of inches.
Still gonna need to house rule terrain and a lot of 8th ed plus primaris plus ccg baloneyball needs fixed but moving measures to cm should tske care of a lot of problems

 Blndmage wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 greatbigtree wrote:
In terms of obvious changes, range becomes the be all end all.

I would not expect standard points to work, A Guard army loaded with Bassies would be effectively gain free turns of Bombardment... most armies wouldn’t have comparable ranged weapons that ignore LOS.

You might want to consider alternate rules sets, like the old epic rules, instead.

Yeah for 10mm scale, Epic 40k is the way to go.

I've heard so much praise for Epic. As a Necron player, it's nit something that's easy to get into.

About as easy as 10mm 40k. Converting/3d printing is needed for models either way and rules are out there.

I always thought of 40k games as being skirmishes in epic. The idea of a Pokémon style game where two confronting epic armies would play games of 40k always appealed to me, though that would be a tremendous amount of work.

This thread is more or less my main project over the corona / COVID-19 shutdown. I am printing the models out on my resin printer , and I am getting most of them from Thingiverse. If there is a model in full scale but not epic scale, I use the solidify tool in blender to make them chunkier, and then usually use Chitubox for scaling them.

Rules-wise I plan on halfing the inch ranges and trying out the apocalypses rule-set (or going back to regular 40k rules if my brother doesn't care for those). I might try inch to cm if half range feels too short.

Very WIP pricture:

more pictures:

 AnomanderRake wrote:
I've tried 3d-printing them, the vehicles work well but the infantry really don't.

I have found that putting infantry all on a single base to work rather well. one of the main things I have been messing around with is tweaking various ways of printing them out. Gluing down individual models seems to work the best, but I am trying to find a way to print them out on the final base in one go as I am making apocalypses armies and it would be more convenient to not have to glue down every single model.




EDIT: I noticed so many more remnants of support material looking at the pictures that is barely visible in real life...

greatbigtree wrote:In terms of obvious changes, range becomes the be all end all.

I would not expect standard points to work, A Guard army loaded with Bassies would be effectively gain free turns of Bombardment... most armies wouldn’t have comparable ranged weapons that ignore LOS.

You might want to consider alternate rules sets, like the old epic rules, instead.

For reference, Epic: Armageddon expands the variance in weapon ranges relative to 40K. Infantry can only engage in firefights at 15cm, but support weapons like autocannons can fire out to 45cm, and tank guns can go further still.

At the same time, it also increases the comparative mobility of units, since a basic unit of Tacticals, under the March order, can move 45cm in one turn- but is then not able to fight at all, so you can't just run right up to the enemy or you'll get blasted (potentially a lot before you can act, since the game uses alternating activation).

So armies can move much more quickly relative to their range than in 40K, but once they get engaged, they slow down considerably, and once they start taking attrition and morale damage (via blast markers) they tend to stop moving altogether.

This means that an artillery-heavy army is easy to close the distance with, and artillery require supporting units to pin the enemy in place so the artillery can do its work. In 40K, the relatively low mobility may allow artillery to completely dominate the game, especially against slower armies.

Blndmage wrote:I've heard so much praise for Epic. As a Necron player, it's nit something that's easy to get into.

Have you heard of Net Epic Armageddon? There's a small community keeping the game alive, and they've written army lists for Necrons and other factions that weren't originally in the game.

Dropzone Commander is in 10mm, you might find some those models suitable as a loose proxy for some 40k units. 10mm is the right scale for 40k.
28mm is okay for killteam style game but 40k is just slowed at that scale and apocalypse is pure lunacy.

 SolarCross wrote:
Dropzone Commander is in 10mm, you might find some those models suitable as a loose proxy for some 40k units. 10mm is the right scale for 40k.
28mm is okay for killteam style game but 40k is just slowed at that scale and apocalypse is pure lunacy.

Yeah, 40k worked fine when it was more of a platoon based game in 3rd and 4th ed, but it started to get weird when GW tried shoving in apocalypse units into standard sized games, probably to drive more sells for their big dumb set piece units.
The scale of warfare they're going for is still better suited to about 6mm-10mm scale, which had been possible with Epic, but they got rid of that system a long time ago, and are sort of coming back to it through Titanicus but not really.

I have a resin printer and have been scaling things up/down to 8mm to work with the new Adeptus Titanicus plastics. It's been great.

I say up/down because often scaling stuff designed for printing for epic up to 133% turns out better than scaling 30k/40k down to 25%. Ork flyer is an epic model scaled up, land raider is a 40k model scaled down. Look at the track detail largely gone as a result. In the future I'll be scaling up epic land raiders.




I had to flood them with light to get the resin to photograph well, but you really can't see the 40 micron layers in person.

 Nerak wrote:
I always thought of 40k games as being skirmishes in epic. The idea of a Pokémon style game where two confronting epic armies would play games of 40k always appealed to me, though that would be a tremendous amount of work.

According to the Epic rules a firefight is about the size of an average 40k game.


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There's a company called Vanguard Miniatures which makes excellent 8mm proxies for Epic.

https://vanguardminiatures.co.uk/

Some of the newer CAV (Bones) plastic 10mm tanks look suspiciously similar to Leman Russes and a few other 40k vehicles.

Printing in 8 mm is a mistake, though, as no-one uses such a scale (Titanicus and Aeronautica are heroic 6 mm, Space Marines would be 8 mm as per the designers but they aren't normal humans). Vanguard stuff is also 6 mm. It's not too much of a bother, though, as long as your stuff is consistent within your army

Looking mighty fine, Destroyer_742. We played some 6 mm Apocalypse, it works very well. If you have a lot of table space, using inches unconverted is also an interesting option for maneuver that feels quite fitting even if one were to believe the ground scale to be equal to the miniatures' scale. Leman Russes would fire over half a kilometer away and normal rifle fights would happen within hundred or more metres, which feels nice.