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H.B.M.C. wrote:

JP wrote:Any news on what might happen to the Steel legion?

One of two things:

1. Every squad can get a Chimera normally, meaning there's no specialist list or rule or anything.
2. If you take Colonel Steel McLegion you can put everyone in Chimeras.

I'm leaning more towards the former, but given the most recent rumour about more army-altering special characters, who knows...

BYE

Latest rounds of Mkoll's Lists seems to point to #1, however.

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Just as fing predicted. Well done GW. Well fing done.
BYE

Is it just me, or does anyone else hear Christian Bale's voice when HBMC launches a diatribe?

GET OUT OF MY EYELINE!!!!!!!

BYE

ubermosher wrote:Is it just me, or does anyone else hear Christian Bale's voice when HBMC launches a diatribe?

Funny, I hear that old guy yelling at us damn kids to get off his lawn.

Platuan4th wrote:

ubermosher wrote:Is it just me, or does anyone else hear Christian Bale's voice when HBMC launches a diatribe?

Funny, I hear that old guy yelling at us damn kids to get off his lawn.

Hahaha!

ubermosher wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Just as fing predicted. Well done GW. Well fing done.
BYE

Is it just me, or does anyone else hear Christian Bale's voice when HBMC launches a diatribe?

For me, it's usually a nasally fat kid with a "Sylvester the Cat" voice.

Back on topic, I play this game for the models. I'm a bit shocked that there doesn't appear to be a "must buy" model on the release schedule. Then again, I've always struggled to understand GW's "keep all new model releases a secret" policy. I'd think that early previews would help to drum up interest in their products. In any case, it looks like a lot of changes, but very few interesting ones and no exciting models save perhaps the Valkyrie. Same crappy cadians, same boxy, ugly tanks, etc, etc. I guess not all ranges can get the same kind of love the orks did...

Platuan4th wrote:Funny, I hear that old guy yelling at us damn kids to get off his lawn.

Ungreatful kids! When I was your age we didn't even have lawns! We just had to imagine that the grass was there...

BYE

Platuan4th wrote:

ubermosher wrote:Is it just me, or does anyone else hear Christian Bale's voice when HBMC launches a diatribe?

Funny, I hear that old guy yelling at us damn kids to get off his lawn.

Who, Clint Eastwood?

Some thoughts:

-The "artillery advisers" seemed odd at first, but the more I think about it, the more sense they make. They can function as a (relatively) cheap way to get some powerful indirect fire; the more indirect fire you have, the harder it is for opponents to guarantee a win in KP missions by hiding a small unit behind terrain in their backfield.

-Making FS and AT squads count as troops is also a (minor) buff.

-I still don't really get how everything in the army can get so much cheaper; my (limited) 5th Ed. experience shows Guard to be weaker than I remember in 3rd Ed., but the rumors make it sound like I'll be gaining 200-300 "extra" points in my 1,850 list. That sounds almost broken.

-Similarly, 3 Leman Russes as one choice sounds a bit OTT, especially combined with how cheap everything else is.

-There's no mention of KP reform, but I think it's safe to assume officers won't be ICs; with no more "Last Man Standing" the original justification for turning them into ICs has been removed.

-I'm not sure what to think of a fast Hellhound with 12" range; my gut says "nerf," but it might become really helpful in contesting objectives.

-I'm sad to see no return of the Rapier / Thudd Gun. (But I guess I can continue putting 6 guys around them and using them as "count as" AT Squads.)

I just want really cool Fleet/Orbital Officer models. Maybe they'll even do a new Priest.

BYE

Assuming we have a 15-20% points reduction overall, that would probably go a long way toward making Guard competitive in the current environment, considering how Ork Boyz got so much cheaper as well.

I wonder how the various weapon options will go. For example, if 10 IG go from 60 pts to 40 pts, but Heavy and Special each gain +10 pts in cost, we've really gained nothing at all.

Similarly, the Valkyrie would be OK at ~90 pts, but if it's 200 pts, like a Falcon, that's a non-starter, too.

Depends on whether GW decides to make Plasma Guns 15 and Lascannons 30 in Guard Squads. I would like to believe they won't, but it is still within the realm of possibility.

BYE

H.B.M.C. wrote:Depends on whether GW decides to make Plasma Guns 15 and Lascannons 30 in Guard Squads. I would like to believe they won't, but it is still within the realm of possibility.

If the delta between las/plas and ML/GL gets high enough, we'll all end up playing Mauleed-pattern IG. *sigh* I don't own that many Steel Legion MLs, and never did have any for my Mordian/Praetorian coalition.

my money says the point cost of weapons goes up. because that's how GW rolls, other then that the idea of "off table" indirect sounds pretty good no one popping your bassie

skullspliter888 wrote:my money says the point cost of weapons goes up. because that's how GW rolls, other then that the idea of "off table" indirect sounds pretty good no one popping your bassie

They can just pop your T3 Model instead.

Platuan4th wrote:

Sgt.Roadkill wrote:bollocks with plastic cadian riot team, i've spent stupid money on 3 enforcer necromunda team, and the army is almost done, (not happy :(, unless they have decent rules)

We've seen the Arbites Riot team rules, they're in the Witch Hunter Codex, which is why they're even being made.

bollocks those rules are just storm troopers with shotguns the arbites are far mor than that, whether its executioner shells, riot shields, shock mauls, or specialist grenade round if you think they are just storm trooopers with shotguns i suggest reading some of their background (the shira calpurnia stuf + NightBringer)

10 to 1 the Storm Troopers / Arbiters kit is made up of Kasrkin with the option of using shotguns instead of hellguns. I wouldn't count on them being generic enough, Cadians are the new generic in terms of Guard presentation.

Dexy wrote:

skullspliter888 wrote:my money says the point cost of weapons goes up. because that's how GW rolls, other then that the idea of "off table" indirect sounds pretty good no one popping your bassie

They can just pop your T3 Model instead.

True but if he is behind a hill with a squad a little harder to get at

So, Valks take up a F/A slot rather than being a transport option and Vultures (if IG get them) also take up a F/A slot.

So Elysians are out of the question, then...

Chimera_Calvin wrote:So Elysians are out of the question, then...

Don't worry, you can take Sky Marshal Elly Sian, Codename 'Vulture', as a special character (due Q2 2016 in Wave 9.5) that will allow Valkyries as Troops!

BYE

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Chimera_Calvin wrote:So Elysians are out of the question, then...

Don't worry, you can take Sky Marshal Elly Sian, Codename 'Vulture', as a special character (due Q2 2016 in Wave 9.5) that will allow Valkyries as Troops!

BYE

Next time you use that variant I'm going to have to charge you for it.

If there won't be a special character you can always look to IA 3 & 4 for Elysian goodness.

Am I starting to detect the merest hint of sarcasm from you, HBMC??

Unless you take Red Baron as your HQ choice which enables you to switch Chimeras for Valks

Chimera_Calvin wrote:Am I starting to detect the merest hint of sarcasm from you, HBMC??

Perish the thought. Sarcasm leads to idleness. And we all know what idleness leads to...

BYE

Yet another army bought, assembled and painted?

Heresy! Idleness always leads to Heresy because Heresy grows from idleness!

BYE

Platuan4th wrote:

ubermosher wrote:Is it just me, or does anyone else hear Christian Bale's voice when HBMC launches a diatribe?

Funny, I hear that old guy yelling at us damn kids to get off his lawn.

Did someone call me? Oh wait, never mind.

The one thing I keep thinking about as we get these rumors, though, is that, in a way, this doesn't solve the MSU issue currently afflicting IG. Will IG be able to have more Pie Plates? Yes, definitely. But (with the possible exception of the Vulture/Vendetta) does this change the Guard's anti-tank ability? Not really - you're still going to have to be fielding multiple fast-moving/dropping units of 2x to 3x Meltagunners to take care of tanks.

Remember though that barrage weapons hit side armor when resolving damage. So meltaguns a plenty won't be that necessary if you are spamming barrage plates.

Capt K

Frazzled wrote:

Oh, so THAT'S what Heavy 20 looks like...

Sgt.Roadkill wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

Sgt.Roadkill wrote:bollocks with plastic cadian riot team, i've spent stupid money on 3 enforcer necromunda team, and the army is almost done, (not happy :(, unless they have decent rules)

We've seen the Arbites Riot team rules, they're in the Witch Hunter Codex, which is why they're even being made.

bollocks those rules are just storm troopers with shotguns the arbites are far mor than that, whether its executioner shells, riot shields, shock mauls, or specialist grenade round if you think they are just storm trooopers with shotguns i suggest reading some of their background (the shira calpurnia stuf + NightBringer)

I never said they were real Arbites, I said we'd seen the rules they're going to have. Mkoll(and other sources) have already said that the shotties are only in the plastic Storm Trooper kit because Witch Hunter "Arbite" Stormies can get Shotguns. Trust me, I know what real Arbites are like.