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The more I hear about Orders the more I fall madly in love with them (If even half the rumors are true).

Orders: Because Guard are better at EVERYTHING when told what to do.

Are the valk's being released in the first wave? Anyone know?

Jarran wrote:Are the valk's being released in the first wave? Anyone know?

According to the rumoured release schedules, it will be out same day as the book.

Given the potency of these rumored orders (and free grenades) paying 55 points per squad of Guardsmen seems a lot more reasonable than 40 points per squad. A twin-linked Str. 8 autocannon is going to be brutal against most vehicles. As will the twin-linked Str. 10 lascannon.

Is the French IG Codex scheduled for a (roughly) simultaneous release with the English Codex? If so, it's possible that they started translating an early draft, and that draft leaked. But it seems unlikely...

H.B.M.C. wrote:With any luck the utterly redundant Eradicator, Colossus and needless Deathstrike will be removed.

Along with Psyker Squads. Seriously, Psyker Squads? WTF? Might as well call the unit "Buy more Sanctioned Psyker Blisters Please" Squads.

Whats wrong with them? I for one will be making an eradicator to take out orks and psyker squads are cool.

We'll I thought I had enough Infantry men in my IG army but it looks like I should go buy 1 box and keep it unassembled just in case now.

Free krak grenades? Really? come on Really?

foil7102 wrote:Free krak grenades? Really? come on Really?

I thought the same thing at first, I really did. Perhaps it's GW's way of making Guard less susceptible to being charged by Dreadnoughts and such and not being able to do anything about it. Though, it is rather insane....

Dave47 wrote:Given the potency of these rumored orders (and free grenades) paying 55 points per squad of Guardsmen seems a lot more reasonable than 40 points per squad. A twin-linked Str. 8 autocannon is going to be brutal against most vehicles. As will the twin-linked Str. 10 lascannon.

Is the French IG Codex scheduled for a (roughly) simultaneous release with the English Codex? If so, it's possible that they started translating an early draft, and that draft leaked. But it seems unlikely...

French editions are released simultateously with english ones since years now. In order to get everything ready on schedule, translations are expected to be done quite early in the processus.

Imagine that the reference sheet translation have been done in advance. Compared to plain text, this is a matter of an hour work, at most. Technically, this document could have been done for testing purpose in december, but it's doubtful. If they exist, a tester in France would be able to cope with an english version. And it is not realistic to test anymore four months before release.

The truth may be found in the fact that GW french website shifted to this new funky and heavy version lately. Guess what ?
Transition was done on february the 18. So they messed up V4 and V5 IG reference sheets. You know the next, it was discovered and propagated the 02/19. This document is REAL.

Crap just realized that if Im planning on adding Catachans I need to buy a box of them and Cadians now before the change them over.

Wow...

Free frag/krak grenades, if that is true, that will really change the game. Guard units will be able to actually take down Dreads in CC (with some luck). However, that will be only if those dreads can make it past TL +1 against AV heavy weapons. If these changes are true, then IG just got their teeth back!

Commissars give Stubborn. Praise the Emperor, I hope this is true! Fearless is a liability when it comes to combat resolution. Taking all those extra wounds means that even if they passed their Ld test, the guard squad would not survive. Now that they are stubborn (only fearless if they fail and commie executes a poor sob), IG will be able to hold the line like they could in 4ed.

"Voltron" Platoons. I really hope the "make 1 unit" means that all of the squads have to be close (4", or 6") apart, and then only count as 1 KP. If it actually means that you make one giant unit of 55 men... we would loose a huge amount of firepower (only can shoot one unit), and would become even more vulnerable to assault (1 unit could tie up a whole platoon, and possibly kill it).

Creed sounds cool, makes me think about normal Officers. I bet a JO will be able to issue 1, a SO issue 2, and each get +1 if they have a chimera.


All in all, sounds great, if it turns out true.

BoxANT wrote:"Voltron" Platoons. I really hope the "make 1 unit" means that all of the squads have to be close (4", or 6") apart, and then only count as 1 KP. If it actually means that you make one giant unit of 55 men... we would loose a huge amount of firepower (only can shoot one unit), and would become even more vulnerable to assault (1 unit could tie up a whole platoon, and possibly kill it).

I think losing that firepower is the trade off to reducing your KP number. It makes you think in KP missions on whether you want to deny KPs and not be able to engage multiple targets or keep the flexibility and risk giving up extra those KPs. As a guard player, your "squads close together as 1 KP but not 1 unit" scenario is TOO advantageous, especially considering the Orders and other boni Guard Platoons gain.

*Lurk Mode - Off*

Turning Guard platoons into amorphous blobs is a terrible 'solution' to the KP problem and is just asking for trouble as far as FAQ's go...

*Lurk Mode - On*

H.B.M.C. wrote:Turning Guard platoons into amorphous blobs is a terrible 'solution' to the KP problem and is just asking for trouble as far as FAQ's go...

I agree, but I can see their "thinking" on why they'd do it. I also think it's more an appeasement for the players who clamor for a KP fix, as I highly doubt GW thinks KPs are a problem to begin with. In fact, I have a feeling they think KP is a "balance" against the obviously inherent advantage of horde armies.

You know, like an army with 2 Wounds.

Foda_Bett wrote:
5) Orders:
"Front rank fire second rank fire!" adds an additional die to rapid fire weapons. So 3 shots at close range 2 at long. (He specifially said rapid fire weapons).
"Take 'em down!" LT can call on any unit, heavy weapons in the unit are TWIN LINKED and add plus 1 to an armor penetration rolls. (He was really happy about killing carnifexes with this)

I share a lot of the enthusiasm about the upcoming IG codex but two things come to mind that I have not seen anyone mention yet:

1. Rolling to use orders (if necessary) will add even more die rolls (and time) to the IG player's phase of each turn. Hmm...just think if you have a Punisher too. We may need to buy more dice and give our opponents a chair so they can sit down for longer intervals.

2. "Take 'em down!" makes missle launchers a good tournament option as they will be a good balance of AT vs. vehicles as well as providing the AP blast templates (much better in 5th edition) for those horde armies.

ubermosher wrote:8. Valkyries will come with their own flying base and will count as flyers and can possibly move 24". They also come with a rule which allows the squad they are carrying to deep strike anywhere the valkyrie has moved over in that movement

Wait, Valkyries are actually going to be flyers in normal 40K and not skimmers? That's a pretty big deal if that's true I'd have to imagine.

hmm 1-3 for a single heavy choice for the russ eh? I wonder what the wording will be and if that means I can then take 1-3 as an allied unit for sisters/DH

I seriously doubt that the 10-man new boxes are going to come without heavy weapons. Everything basic troop wise has dropped in cost or stayed the same. They dropped ork points and reboxed them. Let's look at it.

80 Basic Orks used to cost $175. No heavy weapons or nobs.

80 Basic Orks now cost $176 but you also get a nob (i.e. 8 nobs) and heavy weapons now. So consider 4 nobs and 4 heavy weapons the new packaging is actually $50ish cheaper.

Marines haven't gone up in price. Daemons dropped in price when they went to plastic. So out of the last 3 codexes all squads have gotten cheaper or in the case of marines stayed the same (though Marines did get all special weapons now). So why is everyone so ready to assume GW will screw the guard? I may be wrong and if I am I'll post it but I wouldn't jump to conclusions on the new guard boxes.

Ravajaxe wrote:So, two months before the release of a codex I think it is just unprecedented to have this amount of information.

What about Codex: Space Marines?

unfortunately, every rumor that's come in the last month has stated that they WON'T come with a heavy weapon. i didn't believe the first but more and more people are reporting the same thing. that's not jumping to conclusions...

Fetterkey wrote:

Ravajaxe wrote:So, two months before the release of a codex I think it is just unprecedented to have this amount of information.

What about Codex: Space Marines?

Exactly. I had the Marine Codex, Ork Codex and 'Chaos' Codex all by now (or thereabouts). We actually know very little about what's coming out.

Heh. I just realised that, when you think about it, one of the few (only?) benefits of the old Spearheads is that we knew what was coming out. Now we don't even know that for sure...

I've just seen the same rumor referenced on 3 different sights that states the heavy weapons won't be included. We're just going to have to see as my contacts said it'll come with a heavy weapon (though he wouldn't confirm all heavy weapons so maybe just one like the SM's). If he's wrong then I'll find out when the box is released

Gestalt wrote:More importantly does IG get a psychic hood with the the new Primaris without having to take an inquisitor?

The model seems to have one. However, it will probably be a newschool psychic hood (24" range), and his leadership 9 doesn't exactly have my Librarian shaking in his sabatons...

If the "Front rank fire, second rank fire" rule does indeed apply to all rapid fire weapons, then I will still be taking plasma guns everywhere. If veterans go down by 2 points just like regular guardsmen, a super-rapid-fire squad of 10 vets with 3 PGs will kill its points in MeQ in one volley.

Foda_Bett wrote:
"Front rank fire second rank fire!" adds an additional die to rapid fire weapons. So 3 shots at close range 2 at long. (He specifially said rapid fire weapons).

You know, if this is true, it could be the reason why they raised (supposedly) PlasmaGuns to 15 points. The ability to fire 2 shots at 24" and 3 shots at 12" would be rather nice

Is anybody else thinking that the prices for everything, and not just the basic squads, are silly? $95 for the Battle force? For 20 guardsman, 5 command, 3 heavy weapons, and a sentinel?

GW must think the IG are going to be amazingly good to make one of the first really poor values in battle forces.

It doesn't affect me (I play praetorians, and I hope to god to have enough models to weather the change), but I'm not sure making it harder to collect IG is going to make people run out and build the army.

If the IG get a unit that can assault after deep striking as well I might as well take the power armor off of my marines.

GW must think the IG are going to be amazingly good to make one of the first really poor values in battle forces.

Thats no worse than the old Ork box. But I agree, it's not a very good buy.

ShumaGorath wrote:
GW must think the IG are going to be amazingly good to make one of the first really poor values in battle forces.

Thats no worse than the old Ork box. But I agree, it's not a very good buy.

Regarding the 1 platoon = 1 unit issue, I don't see any problem with that that cannot be overcome with just a little planning (shy of doing away with KP that is). No-one needs to take a full platoon. 35 men are in order, and can be equipped for the same role, and have a second platoon deploy in standard formation. In most cases, one would have to shoot all of their guns at a single target anyways. CC might be a problem but this is really nothing new. Seeing how there might be different ways to make the unit fearless or stubborn, they won't run but instead act as the tarpit we can use so well.

JB wrote:
1. Rolling to use orders (if necessary) will add even more die rolls (and time) to the IG player's phase of each turn. Hmm...just think if you have a Punisher too. We may need to buy more dice and give our opponents a chair so they can sit down for longer intervals.

That isn't even close to a minor nuisance. My turns aren't any longer than anyone else's (why should they?), every player I know owns buckets of dice anyways, and all of them are polite enough to offer chairs regardless.

Polonius wrote:Is anybody else thinking that the prices for everything, and not just the basic squads, are silly?

Yes Sir, I'm thinking that since 1997!

Anyways, it appears to be a decent means to clear the shelves of current boxes.

The NEW IG Battlebox is
- $44 for 20 Guardsmen
- $35 for the HWS
- $25 for the Sentinel

That's $104 before you even add in the Command Squad...

So based on the uber-inflated GW retail prices for plastic Guard, the Battlebox appears not to be totally unreasonable.


Of course, I look at it like this:
- $20 for Command
- $35 for 20 IG
- $25 for the HWS
- $20 for the Sentinel
So I'm at $100 total, which makes the Battlebox barely any savings at all if you use everything in the box.