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Death By Monkeys stating on the internet that he was thinking of H.B.M.C. 'after he went to bed' is a serious misuse of the words "H.M.B.C." and "bed" in the same sentence IMO.

Even though I also agree... you must always use the Microsoft H.M.B.C. Checker to avoid such errors.

Mik

Ivan, Cammo netting basically provides a 3+ save in cover provide you don't move. Cool in some cases, useless in others.

The Good:
Basic troopers (got better higher LD lower price and frags)
Penal Legion (assuming base cost of 50 these guys look like fun
Sentinals (prices got a drop so you can not complain too much)
Stock Russ's (lumbering and squadron make these things a part of the new IG power build)
Manticore's (d3 s10 blasts for every rocket? If you can fire off more than one like the IA one than color me sold)
Hydra's (75 points could be useful against certain armies and builds)
Griffon (75 point str 6 large blasts!)
Vendetta 130 points for three twin linked lascanons troop 12, 12 12 10 and ultra fast.... Yeah I will buy one
Chimera (55 points is a good drop in points)
IG command section (orders and only one VP mean that these guys got a major boost)

Possible Good:
All of the special characters, (no costs yet but looks like some cool builds)
Psycher Choir (could be good need more detail)
Conscripts (need more data)
advisors (look cool, but need more pricing data)
Special weapon squads (look to be cheaper and able to take 3 demo charges)
Vets (8 points a pop, not bad, 10 man squads, expected, can take new orders good)

The Arguable:
HellHounds and Varients (went up in price, lost range, but are now fast..... have seen quotes both ways)

Possible Bad:
Valkerie, why buy one when you can get a vendetta?
Death strike (love the idea by the way, but this is a APOC toy)
Commisars (if they can take fists and where they can go will determine if these guys are all right)
Ratlings (need price and rules)
Heavy Weapon Squads (will need to know how many men in a squad, this may move to GOOD easily if 10 man squad)

Known Bad (even these are not really bad, but over-inflated priced)
Stormies 16pts,
Ogryn 40
Plasma tank 240pts WTF? thats a land raider
Most other Russ varients (over priced)
Most other arty not already listed (over priced)
RoughRiders (lost their teeth)

Updated with new comments and recomendations

Ratlings, if priced properly, will still be good. BS4 sniper rifles are just a decent unit.

Heavy weapon teams lose teir durability against low volume fire, and might be a lot more fragile against S6+, but with adjusted prices they're still fine. Through in platoon drill and I think they're going to be fine.

Vets, if they stay at 8pts like they look to, are not as good as the old suicide vets, but now have access to 55pt Chimeras and are troops, making them a much more tactical part of the list.

i think i'm going to wait until i have 'dex in hand before i laugh, cry or do both at the same time. there's just too much out there that "could be" true, and alot out there that's "WTF?", imho. i'm keeping my eyes on the rumors, but i'm also not going to do any massed ordering or selling based on what's been thrown out there so far.

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and doesn't everybody think about HBMC in their bed? i bet Shummy hears footsteps, too ...

As I see it, based on things I own:

good - well-costed for known rules
30-pt walking Ordnance
50-pt Infantry squads
35-pt Sentinels
125-pt Basilisks
<170-pt Russes & Demolishers

okay - probably useful a lot of the time
90-pt triple ML teams
55-pt Chimeras
100-pt 12/12/10 Valks
75-pt Hydra

crap - overpriced to the point of unplayability
35-pt Commissars
40-pt Ogryns
16-pt Storms
170+pt Russes (Punisher, Executioner), Russ' Sponsons
lasgun-only Conscripts

iffy - need to see costs & rules
triple DC SWS
130+ pt Hellhound-type tanks
other Russes

Point 1. If you'll notice in my quote below, you'll see that I was thinking about something after I went to bed (the Eradicator) and H.B.M.C. made a comment about it today.

Death By Monkeys wrote:I'm pretty interested to see that others are coming to some of the same conclusions I am about IG tanks - naked Russ spam at 150 points a piece being my earliest thought about it. And H.B.M.C. made a good point about something I was thinking about last night after I went to bed. I think the Eradicator is going to be the new Hellhound. It costs more, yeah, but it does the anti-cover save trick from better range like the Hellhound used to. Add to that that you've got a helluva lot better armor and I think it's about worth its points. And, as with H.B.M.C., considering I so derided the Eradicator when I first saw it, I'm having to rethink its usefulness now in the light of the Hellhound nerfing.

Point 2. If I was thinking of anyone last night, it would have been H.M.B.C. (as you inadvertently state),



rather than H.B.M.C.

if these are different people a mod needs to fix this. I get all confuzzld when one or the other gets quoted

Kungfuhustler wrote:if these are different people a mod needs to fix this. I get all confuzzld when one or the other gets quoted

I am Her Majesty's Buxom Commissar and all my posts and quotes say as much.

it's easy:
one is a Half Brother something something, the other is a Hot Momma! something something!
hope that clears it up for you.

oh, ok. a while ago it was just letters... I'm slow

What's the status of the humble Techpriest Enginseer?

He'd be even better at his current role of allowing you to buy a cheap Chimera since Chimeras are cheaper now.

Not sure how the shooty version with Heavy Bolter Servitors would fare, and I haven't seen anything rumoured that would make him viable at counter-assault.

I hope you didn't take offence Death By Monkeys... I promise you mate, None was meant

Mik

Kungfuhustler wrote:oh, ok. a while ago it was just letters... I'm slow

Yes, we (the Royal we - as in Admin) got it changed a few days ago. I apologise for any confusion caused.

no pdf yet?

I hate talking in third person, but:

HBMC is a long-standing member of the Dakka community, owner of huge and stupid armies of which virtually 0% are painted, one of the 'old Guard' when it comes to playing Guard, an endless complainer, and one to enjoys entertaining many people on this board.

HMBC is an attention seeker with a great avatar who seems to have an inside source at GW.

And that is all I will say on the matter.

"What's the status of the humble Techpriest Enginseer?"
that's a great question. granted i haven't read every rumor posted, i don't recall hearing anything about "he who fixes".

Asmodai wrote:What's the status of the humble Techpriest Enginseer?

He'd be even better at his current role of allowing you to buy a cheap Chimera since Chimeras are cheaper now.

Not sure how the shooty version with Heavy Bolter Servitors would fare, and I haven't seen anything rumoured that would make him viable at counter-assault.

No news yet, however if the current trend continues expect him to cost 95 points, but Per Shuma he will be worth it becuase he can repair a tank on a 6+, and is not as bad as a biovore.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I hate talking in third person, but:

HBMC is a long-standing member of the Dakka community, owner of huge and stupid armies of which virtually 0% are painted, one of the 'old Guard' when it comes to playing Guard, an endless complainer, and one to enjoys entertaining many people on this board.

HMBC is an attention seeker with a great avatar who seems to have an inside source at GW.

And that is all I will say on the matter.

^ I agree with what he said.

"No news yet, however if the current trend continues expect him to cost 95 points, but Per Shuma he will be worth it becuase he can repair a tank on a 6+, and is not as bad as a biovore."

or Vespid

H.B.M.C. wrote:I hate talking in third person, but:

HBMC is a long-standing member of the Dakka community, owner of huge and stupid armies of which virtually 0% are painted, one of the 'old Guard' when it comes to playing Guard, an endless complainer, and one to enjoys entertaining many people on this board.

HMBC is an attention seeker with a great avatar who seems to have an inside source at GW.

And that is all I will say on the matter.

Do me! Do me now! Then JHDD.

ShumaGorath wrote:Do me! Do me now! Then JHDD.

HA HA HA HA HA HA

Sorry my inner Bevis just exploded

ShumaGorath wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:I hate talking in third person, but:

HBMC is a long-standing member of the Dakka community, owner of huge and stupid armies of which virtually 0% are painted, one of the 'old Guard' when it comes to playing Guard, an endless complainer, and one to enjoys entertaining many people on this board.

HMBC is an attention seeker with a great avatar who seems to have an inside source at GW.

And that is all I will say on the matter.

Do me! Do me now! Then JHDD.

That's just wrong.

alarmingrick wrote:"No news yet, however if the current trend continues expect him to cost 95 points, but Per Shuma he will be worth it becuase he can repair a tank on a 6+, and is not as bad as a biovore."

or Vespid

Do I know you? Every one of my posts has pointed out pros and cons. I've specifically said that rough riders are stupid repeatedly, and that ogryns while not awful have no use in an imperial guard force because they fulfill a role that isn't needed or wanted. I've also said the vendetta was too cheap, that I was on the fence about hellhound pricing, and that tank squadrons have pros and cons. I'm also the only one trying to accurately gauge the usefulness of storm troopers, since half this thread just seems to have had "stormies are vespid hurr" tattooed on their brain. Oh wait, you don't read my posts.

some people really ask for it. but few deserve it more!

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"Oh wait, you don't read my posts."
sure i do, hence what i just posted!

Raxmei wrote:Am I crazy, or are we down to the bottom of the barrel as far as assault is concerned? The only commonly used assault unit (if you can call it that) that is not yet known to be nerfed is the command squad.

Uh... ? Might be lower.

Oh, and at least it looks like new IG will be able to shoot the living snot out of things to compensate. Unlike the other supposedly 'shooty' army in this game.


Not quite enough here to tempt me to start (or re-start, again) an IG army. Maybe when Commissars become worthwhile again.

I can see fielding LRBT's and Eradicators in Squadrons of 2 and then having Autocannon or Lascannon line units in platoons. Does seem like IG will loose a lot of effective counter-attack units when the Inquisition 'dexes are re-done though.

Isn't IG supposed to be the bottom of the assault barrel? Except tau which are still worse? I mean, they fight robots and supersoldiers and daemons and fungus giants.

They shouldn't be punching them.

The Griffon looks interesting. S6 is a good solid number - wounds T4 on 2+, inflicts instant death on T3 multiwound models, and in a pinch can threaten light armor. Plus it's cheap, 50 points less than the next cheapest pie thrower. I've never experienced the pleasure of launching a multiple barrage so I don't know how good squadronning them might be.

There's a little asterisk on the summary indicating a special rule; hopefully it's a good one and not a bad one.

@ chaplaingrabthar
The other "supposedly shooty" army in the game, tau, can fly freaking circles around the guard. I play with several tournament level tau players on a regular basis. If you can't shoot the snot out of an army to compensate I'd guess you are taking too many battle suits.

@Raxmei
not to mention some of the nice Ammo choices in the IA volume 1!